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Anyone ever hear of Jimsonweed? It's apparently this plant that kids eat or make tea out of to get high.
DON'T DO IT. Tonight we had a 17 year old male come in to the ER due to having taken this stuff. He was red as a lobster, dry as a bone, with a heart rate of 160 and a blood pressure of 210/150. Not good.
He got loaded up with sedatives, paralyzed with drugs, got a tube shoved down his throat into his lungs, another shoved through his nose into his stomach, and (this is my favorite), a tube shoved up his hoodilly into his bladder.
The plant has a chemical in it that's similar to atropine in the way that it works on the body. It's was pretty spectacular. He's going to be fine, but he's REALLY lucky.
Jimsonweed. BAD NEWS. DON'T try it.
Anyone ever hear of Jimsonweed? It's apparently this plant that kids eat or make tea out of to get high.
DON'T DO IT. Tonight we had a 17 year old male come in to the ER due to having taken this stuff. He was red as a lobster, dry as a bone, with a heart rate of 160 and a blood pressure of 210/150. Not good.
He got loaded up with sedatives, paralyzed with drugs, got a tube shoved down his throat into his lungs, another shoved through his nose into his stomach, and (this is my favorite), a tube shoved up his hoodilly into his bladder.
The plant has a chemical in it that's similar to atropine in the way that it works on the body. It's was pretty spectacular. He's going to be fine, but he's REALLY lucky.
Jimsonweed. BAD NEWS. DON'T try it.
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not to make lite of a serious situation (but I suppose I will anyway), but I thought you were saying that Jim is stoned (Jim's on weed...). I was wondering who Jim was, and if you were talking about my brother in law or not.
On a more serious note, here is the National Drug Intellegence Center's webpage on Jimsonweed.
Of course the NDIC has a negative bent on every drug that a pharmacutical company isn't making a profit from...
Drug intellegence... isn't that an oxymoron - sort of like military intellegence?
not to make lite of a serious situation (but I suppose I will anyway), but I thought you were saying that Jim is stoned (Jim's on weed...). I was wondering who Jim was, and if you were talking about my brother in law or not.
On a more serious note, here is the National Drug Intellegence Center's webpage on Jimsonweed.
Of course the NDIC has a negative bent on every drug that a pharmacutical company isn't making a profit from...
Drug intellegence... isn't that an oxymoron - sort of like military intellegence?
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I don't mean to take the mickey either, but I thought exactly the same as Vanize !!
I wondered who Jim was also, and I just had this picture in my head of Jim Morrison hanging out at Venice Beach with a big spliff
(sorry but it did make me giggle)
By the way, is it my imagination or is the smoking graemlin gone from the board ??
I don't mean to take the mickey either, but I thought exactly the same as Vanize !!
I wondered who Jim was also, and I just had this picture in my head of Jim Morrison hanging out at Venice Beach with a big spliff
(sorry but it did make me giggle)
By the way, is it my imagination or is the smoking graemlin gone from the board ??
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jimsonlifesupport now
thnx for the tip, what exactly is the stuff? Sounds like he took too much mah juang r somethin...
jimsonlifesupport now
thnx for the tip, what exactly is the stuff? Sounds like he took too much mah juang r somethin...
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So apparently it depends on variable factors since he and his friends all ate the stuff, but only he wound up in the hospital.
It has a drug in it that is medically classified as an "anticholinergic." That is to say that it blocks receptors for the neurotransmitter acetylcholine. That makes it have a speed-like effect.
Look, you can't overdose on marijuana enough to put you in the hospital. You can take too much mushrooms or LSD, but it won't hurt you, it will just make your life a living hell. But this stuff can hurt you if you get too much of it and apparently different parts of the plant have different concentrations of drug and it also depends on how your liver is at getting rid of it, so it's just really unpredictable.
Having seen what it does, I'm never touching it.
So apparently it depends on variable factors since he and his friends all ate the stuff, but only he wound up in the hospital.
It has a drug in it that is medically classified as an "anticholinergic." That is to say that it blocks receptors for the neurotransmitter acetylcholine. That makes it have a speed-like effect.
Look, you can't overdose on marijuana enough to put you in the hospital. You can take too much mushrooms or LSD, but it won't hurt you, it will just make your life a living hell. But this stuff can hurt you if you get too much of it and apparently different parts of the plant have different concentrations of drug and it also depends on how your liver is at getting rid of it, so it's just really unpredictable.
Having seen what it does, I'm never touching it.
-Mike
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ya i've heard of it. doesn't it make you hallucinate too? i think i saw something about it on a tv show not that long ago.....CSI, i think that was it. bad stuff. i won't touch it.
ya i've heard of it. doesn't it make you hallucinate too? i think i saw something about it on a tv show not that long ago.....CSI, i think that was it. bad stuff. i won't touch it.
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There was a CSI episode where 4 guys were taking bong hits and competing for who could hold it the longest. One dude passed out or something bad and they dragged him up to the roof and pushed him into the outdoor pool as the other 3 jumped to make it look like he died in the fall.
There was a CSI episode where 4 guys were taking bong hits and competing for who could hold it the longest. One dude passed out or something bad and they dragged him up to the roof and pushed him into the outdoor pool as the other 3 jumped to make it look like he died in the fall.
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no it was a different episode than that one. it was 2 best friends who did it at a rave and they started hallucinating, and in a sense, went crazy. one guy killed the other one because he thought he was attacking him or something.
no it was a different episode than that one. it was 2 best friends who did it at a rave and they started hallucinating, and in a sense, went crazy. one guy killed the other one because he thought he was attacking him or something.
I was always scared with my mother's obsession with the good scissors. It made me wonder if there were evil scissors lurking in the house somewhere.
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.
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its funny how you never see people taking drugs (in general) on a tv show and nothing bad happening to them.....which is usually the case for most people. funny eh. hmmmmmmmmmmm.
its funny how you never see people taking drugs (in general) on a tv show and nothing bad happening to them.....which is usually the case for most people. funny eh. hmmmmmmmmmmm.
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oh yeah i remember that episode pounce! i didnt realise thats what they were on though i missed the begining, man i lve that show
thanks for the tip lightning
oh yeah i remember that episode pounce! i didnt realise thats what they were on though i missed the begining, man i lve that show
thanks for the tip lightning
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*raises the chalice of still mineral water to being straight edge and not having to worry about drugs*
*raises the chalice of still mineral water to being straight edge and not having to worry about drugs*
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My understanding is that *MOST* people who try jimsonweed do so without having to be hospitalized for it.
The risk is that the dosing is tricky and that it is also dependent on how good your liver is at clearing the active ingredient from your bloodstream.
It's kind of wierd. There's a case of Amanita mushroom poisoning where four teenagers made tea from a misidentified Amanita mushroom (they picked the wrong species of Amanita). Three were fine. One died of liver failure. They all drank the same tea.
Yes, the majority of people who try Jimsonweed have a trip and go on with their lives, but given what I saw last night, I'd strongly advise against using it. It's too unpredictable.
My understanding is that *MOST* people who try jimsonweed do so without having to be hospitalized for it.
The risk is that the dosing is tricky and that it is also dependent on how good your liver is at clearing the active ingredient from your bloodstream.
It's kind of wierd. There's a case of Amanita mushroom poisoning where four teenagers made tea from a misidentified Amanita mushroom (they picked the wrong species of Amanita). Three were fine. One died of liver failure. They all drank the same tea.
Yes, the majority of people who try Jimsonweed have a trip and go on with their lives, but given what I saw last night, I'd strongly advise against using it. It's too unpredictable.
-Mike
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lol every time i look at that word i still just see - jim's on weed - rather than jimson-weed
lol every time i look at that word i still just see - jim's on weed - rather than jimson-weed
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I think I'll stick ta good ole shoe polish
I think I'll stick ta good ole shoe polish
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i had something similar happen to a guy in my neighbourhood like a month ago. but that was just crazy. i think i saw them (him and two friends, i knew one of his friends) on sunday around 3 am and they told me he had had around 4 gr of cocaine on friday, didn't have any sleep (duh), on saturday smoked many joints, got pretty drunk and than had the BRIGHT idea of taking some shrooms
it was a long night with the ambulance arriving, me having to drive him to the hospital because he refused to get into the ambulance, him trying to escape, him nearly dying in my car from a lung infarct (does that exist? infarto pulmonar on spanish), many hours in hospital (he had to stay for around 15 hours in observation, also with a tube from his nose into his lungs)... etc etc. not a pretty sight. really not a pretty sight. mind you, i didn't even KNOW this guy!!!
it turned out he 2 or 3 infarcts in hospital (apart of the one in my car) AND had had 2 more lung infarcts earlier that week (which he didn't know), from taking speed, and he had just turned 18... the ambulance guys didn't believe it when they saw his face... 
but i heard that now he has quit everything, even alcohol, he has started playing football and kinda started a new life... hope it goes on 
i had something similar happen to a guy in my neighbourhood like a month ago. but that was just crazy. i think i saw them (him and two friends, i knew one of his friends) on sunday around 3 am and they told me he had had around 4 gr of cocaine on friday, didn't have any sleep (duh), on saturday smoked many joints, got pretty drunk and than had the BRIGHT idea of taking some shrooms
it was a long night with the ambulance arriving, me having to drive him to the hospital because he refused to get into the ambulance, him trying to escape, him nearly dying in my car from a lung infarct (does that exist? infarto pulmonar on spanish), many hours in hospital (he had to stay for around 15 hours in observation, also with a tube from his nose into his lungs)... etc etc. not a pretty sight. really not a pretty sight. mind you, i didn't even KNOW this guy!!! it turned out he 2 or 3 infarcts in hospital (apart of the one in my car) AND had had 2 more lung infarcts earlier that week (which he didn't know), from taking speed, and he had just turned 18
... the ambulance guys didn't believe it when they saw his face... but i heard that now he has quit everything, even alcohol, he has started playing football and kinda started a new life...
hope it goes on Don't you destroy your enemy by making him your friend?? - Rev Bem (Magog), Andromeda
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Lung infarct? Probably a pulmonary embolism. Yeah. Those can kill you. Fast. A friend of mine had a patient die in his arms from a PE in minutes before they could do anything about it.
Lung infarct? Probably a pulmonary embolism. Yeah. Those can kill you. Fast. A friend of mine had a patient die in his arms from a PE in minutes before they could do anything about it.
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pounce, if it's the one where one ate the other (gross I know), then that episode was about PCP...It sounds like the one you were describing...
pounce, if it's the one where one ate the other (gross I know), then that episode was about PCP...It sounds like the one you were describing...
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no not that one, but i do remember that episode too. hehe, i love CSI...it's filmed in my hometown!
no not that one, but i do remember that episode too. hehe, i love CSI...it's filmed in my hometown!
I was always scared with my mother's obsession with the good scissors. It made me wonder if there were evil scissors lurking in the house somewhere.
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.
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Datura (Jimsonweed) is nasty, nasty stuff mate. Ya wanta put permanent doubts into your head about anything in reality being real, eat some of this stuff. After talking to your houseplant thinking its your dead grandma for 8 hours you probably aren't going to want to try it again. It is one of, if not the most powerful hallucinagen in use today, and the vast majority of anyone who has tried the stuff won't touch it again. Dosage is usally through eating seeds, which range WIDELY on potency which is why you saw what you did last night.
Not to mention the dehydration factor. You can drink a glass of water standing in front of a urinal and watch it go straight through nonstop. Literally. Unless you've got a garden hose stuck in your mouth all night your going to have a whole new concept of cotton mouth. Definitely not for the weak willed, baby sitter required. I have a friend who has had seeds for three years now. We're all too afraid to eat them. One day (Sorry, I like to try anything once). Unlike most other hallucinagens though, this one IS deadly. If you try it and you see black, never touch it again, it will kill you. Supposedly if your vision goes red, you should be ok to try it again if you really want to, but as I said, I have yet to meet someone whos tried it and wants to do it again.
Datura (Jimsonweed) is nasty, nasty stuff mate. Ya wanta put permanent doubts into your head about anything in reality being real, eat some of this stuff. After talking to your houseplant thinking its your dead grandma for 8 hours you probably aren't going to want to try it again. It is one of, if not the most powerful hallucinagen in use today, and the vast majority of anyone who has tried the stuff won't touch it again. Dosage is usally through eating seeds, which range WIDELY on potency which is why you saw what you did last night.
Not to mention the dehydration factor. You can drink a glass of water standing in front of a urinal and watch it go straight through nonstop. Literally. Unless you've got a garden hose stuck in your mouth all night your going to have a whole new concept of cotton mouth. Definitely not for the weak willed, baby sitter required. I have a friend who has had seeds for three years now. We're all too afraid to eat them. One day (Sorry, I like to try anything once). Unlike most other hallucinagens though, this one IS deadly. If you try it and you see black, never touch it again, it will kill you. Supposedly if your vision goes red, you should be ok to try it again if you really want to, but as I said, I have yet to meet someone whos tried it and wants to do it again.
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The only thing that's more potent as far as I know is mandrake root (This stuff will put you into violent seizures)
I don't think anyone should try mandrake unless they have a death wish, I think the main problem is how easy it is to overdose because it's a wild growing plant, and it's pretty much impossible to know how potent the seeds are, Although form what ive read they are always potent enough for a borderline overdose, Even handling the plant without gloves on can cause you to trip out. Mike the kids not the only lucky one, his buddies are lucky they weren't in the ER with him.
The only thing that's more potent as far as I know is mandrake root (This stuff will put you into violent seizures)
I don't think anyone should try mandrake unless they have a death wish, I think the main problem is how easy it is to overdose because it's a wild growing plant, and it's pretty much impossible to know how potent the seeds are, Although form what ive read they are always potent enough for a borderline overdose, Even handling the plant without gloves on can cause you to trip out. Mike the kids not the only lucky one, his buddies are lucky they weren't in the ER with him.
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I wonder if it's even technically a "hallucinogen" at all. I don't think it works on the serotonergic system at all, which is why I wonder if it's a true hallucinogen.
Actually, it's not technically dehydration, but rather, it's an issue of the mechanism of the drug. The drug is an "anticholinergic." Acetylcholine, the neurotransmitter that the drug blocks, makes your pupils constrict, it lets you sweat, it slows down your heart, lowers your blood pressure, allows you to urinate and stool, promotes erection of the penis or clitoris, and promotes GI function. It also promotes saliva production. So if you block that neurotransmitter, which is what Jimsonweed does, you should see the exact opposite of all of these. Ergo, dry mouth.
Frankly, I'm amazed anyone could urinate at all on the stuff. We had to put a catheter into this kid's bladder because it was getting dangerously full and he wasn't urinating.
Well, I'm not so sure about the "seeing black vs. red" thing. But if you are going to try it, research it carefully. And have a sober babysitter who is ready to call an ambulance for you, because most people who need to go to the hospital on this stuff start struggling. I had to wrestle this kid down so we could get him in restraints. And don't be too shocked if you wake up in the hospital with an endotracheal tube down your throat.
On the other hand, you can give a group of doctors a story to talk about at Grand Rounds.:
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Datura (Jimsonweed) is nasty, nasty stuff mate. Ya wanta put permanent doubts into your head about anything in reality being real, eat some of this stuff. After talking to your houseplant thinking its your dead grandma for 8 hours you probably aren't going to want to try it again. It is one of, if not the most powerful hallucinagen in use today, and the vast majority of anyone who has tried the stuff won't touch it again. Dosage is usally through eating seeds, which range WIDELY on potency which is why you saw what you did last night.
I wonder if it's even technically a "hallucinogen" at all. I don't think it works on the serotonergic system at all, which is why I wonder if it's a true hallucinogen.
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Not to mention the dehydration factor. You can drink a glass of water standing in front of a urinal and watch it go straight through nonstop. Literally. Unless you've got a garden hose stuck in your mouth all night your going to have a whole new concept of cotton mouth.
Actually, it's not technically dehydration, but rather, it's an issue of the mechanism of the drug. The drug is an "anticholinergic." Acetylcholine, the neurotransmitter that the drug blocks, makes your pupils constrict, it lets you sweat, it slows down your heart, lowers your blood pressure, allows you to urinate and stool, promotes erection of the penis or clitoris, and promotes GI function. It also promotes saliva production. So if you block that neurotransmitter, which is what Jimsonweed does, you should see the exact opposite of all of these. Ergo, dry mouth.
Frankly, I'm amazed anyone could urinate at all on the stuff. We had to put a catheter into this kid's bladder because it was getting dangerously full and he wasn't urinating.
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Definitely not for the weak willed, baby sitter required. I have a friend who has had seeds for three years now. We're all too afraid to eat them. One day (Sorry, I like to try anything once). Unlike most other hallucinagens though, this one IS deadly. If you try it and you see black, never touch it again, it will kill you. Supposedly if your vision goes red, you should be ok to try it again if you really want to, but as I said, I have yet to meet someone whos tried it and wants to do it again.
Well, I'm not so sure about the "seeing black vs. red" thing. But if you are going to try it, research it carefully. And have a sober babysitter who is ready to call an ambulance for you, because most people who need to go to the hospital on this stuff start struggling. I had to wrestle this kid down so we could get him in restraints. And don't be too shocked if you wake up in the hospital with an endotracheal tube down your throat.
On the other hand, you can give a group of doctors a story to talk about at Grand Rounds.
: -Mike
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i was wandering what the hell jimsonweed was... im guessing thats the common american term as i thought id head of most (commonly used) drugs out there.
Datura however i have heard of and i thought id post what i know.
datura is/was used by shamans (or warlocks, whitchdoctors, sourcerors(sp) etc) as a tool (not thought of as a drug) of there magic. i think(though here my memory gets sketchy) it was used to observe the world, change form and get up to whatever business shamans get up to(dont ask it would take up a msg board of its own).
from a scientific point of view these are obviously hallucinations, but hey you never know.
the shamans used the different parts of the plant (which as was pointed out have diff. concentations) for different things. i cant remember which each was for which but i can find out quite easily.
not all were ingested -if im remembering correctly, some was prepared with other plants for a tea, some prepared with other plants for a smoke (i believe it was not taken pure -or at least not normally) also it was made into a paste and absorbed through the skin(possibly pure not sure)
note: the drug chooses the person not the other way aroud -if the shaman took datura and it refused him he never tried again -he knew it wud repel him and maybe kill him... theres meant to be a sign of some sort, im pretty sure youd know it when you saw it.
the person who took too much and almost died was stupid(im sorry but its true) he clearly didnt know what he was doing and suffered for it and has my upmost sympathy.
all drugs have an inherent danger to them but in general if taken with knowledge and in moderation they are 'safe' or as safe as its possible to be within the realms of chance. BUT if a drug says no to you, take the hint -everyone reacts differently escpecialy to halucinagens so be carefull.
as for datura id say steer clear unless your sure. stick to mushrooms or other milder hallucinagens.
as always before taking hallucinagens be sure you are completely happy with who you are and where you are, and your life in general... because when you trip everything canm come out, even those things you hide from yourself... ive seen this happen to people(thankfully not me BECAUSE i play safe) and its not pretty...
anyway... ummmmm... oh, yeah, right :kids say no to drugs
i was wandering what the hell jimsonweed was... im guessing thats the common american term as i thought id head of most (commonly used) drugs out there.
Datura however i have heard of and i thought id post what i know.
datura is/was used by shamans (or warlocks, whitchdoctors, sourcerors(sp) etc) as a tool (not thought of as a drug) of there magic. i think(though here my memory gets sketchy) it was used to observe the world, change form and get up to whatever business shamans get up to(dont ask it would take up a msg board of its own).
from a scientific point of view these are obviously hallucinations, but hey you never know.
the shamans used the different parts of the plant (which as was pointed out have diff. concentations) for different things. i cant remember which each was for which but i can find out quite easily.
not all were ingested -if im remembering correctly, some was prepared with other plants for a tea, some prepared with other plants for a smoke (i believe it was not taken pure -or at least not normally) also it was made into a paste and absorbed through the skin(possibly pure not sure)
note: the drug chooses the person not the other way aroud -if the shaman took datura and it refused him he never tried again -he knew it wud repel him and maybe kill him... theres meant to be a sign of some sort, im pretty sure youd know it when you saw it.
the person who took too much and almost died was stupid(im sorry but its true) he clearly didnt know what he was doing and suffered for it and has my upmost sympathy.
all drugs have an inherent danger to them but in general if taken with knowledge and in moderation they are 'safe' or as safe as its possible to be within the realms of chance. BUT if a drug says no to you, take the hint -everyone reacts differently escpecialy to halucinagens so be carefull.
as for datura id say steer clear unless your sure. stick to mushrooms or other milder hallucinagens.
as always before taking hallucinagens be sure you are completely happy with who you are and where you are, and your life in general... because when you trip everything canm come out, even those things you hide from yourself... ive seen this happen to people(thankfully not me BECAUSE i play safe) and its not pretty...
anyway... ummmmm... oh, yeah, right :kids say no to drugs
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Oh yes. Most definately. I had a friend decide he was gay in the middle of a shroom trip. Not fun.
However, the warning for Jimsonweed is that if you're going to try it, you need to have a sober babysitter with a very low threshold for calling the paramedics.
A drug with a warning like that is a drug that I would personally stay away from.
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as always before taking hallucinagens be sure you are completely happy with who you are and where you are, and your life in general... because when you trip everything canm come out, even those things you hide from yourself... ive seen this happen to people(thankfully not me BECAUSE i play safe) and its not pretty...
Oh yes. Most definately. I had a friend decide he was gay in the middle of a shroom trip. Not fun.
However, the warning for Jimsonweed is that if you're going to try it, you need to have a sober babysitter with a very low threshold for calling the paramedics.
A drug with a warning like that is a drug that I would personally stay away from.
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I once wrote a report on it for herbs studies because I was fascinated by the Solanaceae plant family. Apart from potato and tomato this family also includes tobacco and witchy plants such as nightshade (Solanum nigrum), belladonna(Atropa belladonna) and black henbane(Hyoscyamus niger). (Latin added for the non native english so they can look it up in their floras).
The medical stuff I found said the problem of the hallucinations are they seem real to the user. A guy saw red-eyed dolphins in a lake that invited him to join them, however he forgot he couldn't swim and drowned [morale: NEVER EVER trust a red-eyed dolphin!]. I also saw reports of young folks drinking it as tea, being hospitalized. Allegedly it is a poor mans drug in the US of A.
The dried leaves were smoked (!) against asthma here in the Netherlands, so apparently when smoking it is rather benign. This was because of this medical effect: I've been told with asthma these little lungmuscles contract and the stuff in Jimsonweed (Datura stramonium) our doctor here talks about makes these muscles go loose. Well anyway it is not in use anymore.
About Jim's on weed: the plant is said to be named after Jamestown, settlers cooked whatever plants they could find -- the plant is found often in potato fields, so maybe that's what happened. Sounds plausible to me.
About using it; before i use any drug I first ask around until I hear terrible reports, and since I always succeed in hearing some....
I once wrote a report on it for herbs studies because I was fascinated by the Solanaceae plant family. Apart from potato and tomato this family also includes tobacco and witchy plants such as nightshade (Solanum nigrum), belladonna(Atropa belladonna) and black henbane(Hyoscyamus niger). (Latin added for the non native english so they can look it up in their floras).
The medical stuff I found said the problem of the hallucinations are they seem real to the user. A guy saw red-eyed dolphins in a lake that invited him to join them, however he forgot he couldn't swim and drowned [morale: NEVER EVER trust a red-eyed dolphin!]. I also saw reports of young folks drinking it as tea, being hospitalized. Allegedly it is a poor mans drug in the US of A.
The dried leaves were smoked (!) against asthma here in the Netherlands, so apparently when smoking it is rather benign. This was because of this medical effect: I've been told with asthma these little lungmuscles contract and the stuff in Jimsonweed (Datura stramonium) our doctor here talks about makes these muscles go loose. Well anyway it is not in use anymore.
About Jim's on weed: the plant is said to be named after Jamestown, settlers cooked whatever plants they could find -- the plant is found often in potato fields, so maybe that's what happened. Sounds plausible to me.
About using it; before i use any drug I first ask around until I hear terrible reports, and since I always succeed in hearing some....
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Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
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Posted:
We use an inhaled drug called atracurium that works by the same mechanism for asthma. However, the active ingredient in Jimsonweed is apparently absorbed across the lung tissues into the bloodstream, while atracurium is not.
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The dried leaves were smoked (!) against asthma here in the Netherlands, so apparently when smoking it is rather benign. This was because of this medical effect: I've been told with asthma these little lungmuscles contract and the stuff in Jimsonweed (Datura stramonium) our doctor here talks about makes these muscles go loose. Well anyway it is not in use anymore.
We use an inhaled drug called atracurium that works by the same mechanism for asthma. However, the active ingredient in Jimsonweed is apparently absorbed across the lung tissues into the bloodstream, while atracurium is not.
-Mike
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Location: Wageningen, NL
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Location: Wageningen, NL
Posted:
Seems in Burundi (https://www.actahort.org/books/331/331_6.htm) they are trying to grow it with as much of the active ingredients as possible, but I cannot open the article without being a member. Maybe it is to make the 'tropane alkaloids' for medical use as described on
https://shaman.lycaeum.org/~crzkieri/accounts/effecthome.html
, full of technical details, more scary stories, another version of the Jamestown incident and a link to dosage for those who are still not convinced.
Seems in Burundi (https://www.actahort.org/books/331/331_6.htm) they are trying to grow it with as much of the active ingredients as possible, but I cannot open the article without being a member. Maybe it is to make the 'tropane alkaloids' for medical use as described on
https://shaman.lycaeum.org/~crzkieri/accounts/effecthome.html
, full of technical details, more scary stories, another version of the Jamestown incident and a link to dosage for those who are still not convinced.
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All the neurotic makings of America's lesser known sweetheart
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Location: body in Las Vegas, heart all around the world, USA
All the neurotic makings of America's lesser known sweetheart
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Location: body in Las Vegas, heart all around the world, USA
Posted:
every time i hear the name Burundi, i think of Eddie Izzard's stand up Dressed to Kill....
every time i hear the name Burundi, i think of Eddie Izzard's stand up Dressed to Kill....
I was always scared with my mother's obsession with the good scissors. It made me wonder if there were evil scissors lurking in the house somewhere.
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.
**giggles**
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Location: Nova Scotia, Canada.
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Location: Nova Scotia, Canada.
Posted:
"Hummingbirds also favor Datura and after ingesting the narcotic perch, fluff their feathers, and then freeze stiff like corpses for several hours (Siegel 1989:25)"
"Hummingbirds also favor Datura and after ingesting the narcotic perch, fluff their feathers, and then freeze stiff like corpses for several hours (Siegel 1989:25)"
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Pooh-Bah
2,109 posts
Location: Philadelphia, PA - USA
Pooh-Bah
2,109 posts
Location: Philadelphia, PA - USA
Posted:
Rofl!
How funny would it be to see a humming bird sittin on your window trippin its balls off.
Rofl!
How funny would it be to see a humming bird sittin on your window trippin its balls off.
Let's turn those old bridges we crossed into ashes.
We'll blaze a new trail,
and torch the rough patches.
-Me
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Location: Austin, Texas, USA
Carpal \'Tunnel
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Location: Austin, Texas, USA
Posted:
yeah, that would be pretty funny. I can't hardly imagine a humming bird sitting still acutually.
couldn't find any pics of a humming bird getting high on jimsonweed, but here is a cucumber beetle looking for a trip (yes, that is a jimsonweed bloom):
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yeah, that would be pretty funny. I can't hardly imagine a humming bird sitting still acutually.
couldn't find any pics of a humming bird getting high on jimsonweed, but here is a cucumber beetle looking for a trip (yes, that is a jimsonweed bloom):
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All the neurotic makings of America's lesser known sweetheart
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Location: body in Las Vegas, heart all around the world, USA
Posted:
that totally reminded me of my ex-boyfriend's iguana. it got loose one day and ate his entire pot plant that was on his windowsill. we found the poor guy like a month later, totally stoned
that totally reminded me of my ex-boyfriend's iguana. it got loose one day and ate his entire pot plant that was on his windowsill. we found the poor guy like a month later, totally stoned
I was always scared with my mother's obsession with the good scissors. It made me wonder if there were evil scissors lurking in the house somewhere.
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.
**giggles**
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