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Posted:
My folks are paranoid survivalist religious types, and they subscribe to all sorts of conspiracy-theory publications, which sparked my curiosity as to whather anyone else on these boards feels that the current military and political situations have any religious significance? Stuff is going on over in Israel, etc, and some believe that it's some kind of foretold prophecy taking shape - what're your thoughts?
My folks are paranoid survivalist religious types, and they subscribe to all sorts of conspiracy-theory publications, which sparked my curiosity as to whather anyone else on these boards feels that the current military and political situations have any religious significance? Stuff is going on over in Israel, etc, and some believe that it's some kind of foretold prophecy taking shape - what're your thoughts?
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Posted:
:furrows brow:
yes, yes with these conspirators at work, armaggeddon supicious that there's gunna be a few puns on this thread!!
:furrows brow:
yes, yes with these conspirators at work, armaggeddon supicious that there's gunna be a few puns on this thread!!
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Posted:
The thing about it is that you do not have to be the “paranoid survivalist religious types” to believe in the end times as described in Revelation in the Christian bible. Every religion has their profits and prophecies that their members try to understand and try apply to what is happening in the word today.
Let’s face it, end of the world prophecies have been around for a long time and in different religions, not only Christianity. The big problem is that these prophesies do not give specific time/dates and some are so vague with the signs, that it gives the modern man the fits trying to figure them out. Then throw in multiple prophesies for a single event. They both give the same end results, but they may give different signs or the same signs in a different order. We want to know details so that the “problem” can be fixed and the dire prophesy adverted.
Do I believe that what is going on in Israel the start of the Revelation prophecy? Yes, it could be. Am I positive? No. Like any prophecy, you must not only take the prophecy; you must take the teachings and the belief that goes with said prophet. As we are speaking of the Christian Armageddon you must take into consideration other text of the faith. The example that I give is Matt 16:1-3 where the religious leaders are testing Jesus and he speaks of his resurrection after his death. “He replied, "When evening comes, you say, 'It will be fair weather, for the sky is red,' and in the morning, 'Today it will be stormy, for the sky is red and overcast.' You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times.” There are prophecies about his birth, death and resurrection hundreds of years before it took place and people did not realize that what was happening at the time of his birth, death and resurrection. When any religions end time prophecy comes, what makes anyone believe that the signs will be interpreted in time and correctly to avoid the disaster, if it can even be avoided at all?
An instance is the prophecies of Nostradamus. They are vague, with no dates/time and several prophecies are considered to be foretelling of the same event. Have they happened? There are people that say some have and can give you credible events that match the prophecy. But there are other people that can take the same text and give you a convincing argument that it has not happened. Can we avoid them if they have not happened? Only if we can figure out the time in which it is going to happen. Let’s face it, as a race we are mostly reactive. We normally react to the immediate problem that has been created because we did not act early enough to avoid the problem in the first place.
Prophecy is a strange thing, faith plays a big part in it and you don’t know that it is a true prophecy until it has happened and once it has happened it is to late to try to change the circumstances so the prophecy will not be fulfilled. That’s the scary part, knowing that it is coming and not knowing when it is coming or if there is anything that can be done to stop it.
The thing about it is that you do not have to be the “paranoid survivalist religious types” to believe in the end times as described in Revelation in the Christian bible. Every religion has their profits and prophecies that their members try to understand and try apply to what is happening in the word today.
Let’s face it, end of the world prophecies have been around for a long time and in different religions, not only Christianity. The big problem is that these prophesies do not give specific time/dates and some are so vague with the signs, that it gives the modern man the fits trying to figure them out. Then throw in multiple prophesies for a single event. They both give the same end results, but they may give different signs or the same signs in a different order. We want to know details so that the “problem” can be fixed and the dire prophesy adverted.
Do I believe that what is going on in Israel the start of the Revelation prophecy? Yes, it could be. Am I positive? No. Like any prophecy, you must not only take the prophecy; you must take the teachings and the belief that goes with said prophet. As we are speaking of the Christian Armageddon you must take into consideration other text of the faith. The example that I give is Matt 16:1-3 where the religious leaders are testing Jesus and he speaks of his resurrection after his death. “He replied, "When evening comes, you say, 'It will be fair weather, for the sky is red,' and in the morning, 'Today it will be stormy, for the sky is red and overcast.' You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times.” There are prophecies about his birth, death and resurrection hundreds of years before it took place and people did not realize that what was happening at the time of his birth, death and resurrection. When any religions end time prophecy comes, what makes anyone believe that the signs will be interpreted in time and correctly to avoid the disaster, if it can even be avoided at all?
An instance is the prophecies of Nostradamus. They are vague, with no dates/time and several prophecies are considered to be foretelling of the same event. Have they happened? There are people that say some have and can give you credible events that match the prophecy. But there are other people that can take the same text and give you a convincing argument that it has not happened. Can we avoid them if they have not happened? Only if we can figure out the time in which it is going to happen. Let’s face it, as a race we are mostly reactive. We normally react to the immediate problem that has been created because we did not act early enough to avoid the problem in the first place.
Prophecy is a strange thing, faith plays a big part in it and you don’t know that it is a true prophecy until it has happened and once it has happened it is to late to try to change the circumstances so the prophecy will not be fulfilled. That’s the scary part, knowing that it is coming and not knowing when it is coming or if there is anything that can be done to stop it.
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Posted:
Yeah, just saying my folks are the types who believe anything they read... and that makes them paranoid. Dad's got his whole food stockpile in the basement for when he has to survive the nuclear winter, Mom has her entire Nostradamus translation/interpretation series so she can predict when Dad will have to crawl in his hole and hide for years... didn't it specifically say that nobody will know when the End is about to happen anyway?
Wasn't saying that everyone who tries to find significance in the events today is paranoid or anything, just laying out at the beginning how serious some people are about this stuff.
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The thing about it is that you do not have to be the "paranoid survivalist religious types" to believe
Yeah, just saying my folks are the types who believe anything they read... and that makes them paranoid. Dad's got his whole food stockpile in the basement for when he has to survive the nuclear winter, Mom has her entire Nostradamus translation/interpretation series so she can predict when Dad will have to crawl in his hole and hide for years... didn't it specifically say that nobody will know when the End is about to happen anyway?
Wasn't saying that everyone who tries to find significance in the events today is paranoid or anything, just laying out at the beginning how serious some people are about this stuff.
What hits the fan is not evenly distributed.
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Posted:
I totally agree with you. At times I feel sorry for those that go overboard, we can only prepare for so much. Someday we will have an Armageddon of some sort (prophesy/man) because some country will get trigger happy with a couple of nuclear bombs going to one of the major powers in the world, with my luck it will with the US, and then next thing you know the sky will be full of them. Welcome WWIII. Can an individual or a family stockpile/prepare enough for this type of disaster? I don’t think so, but whoever is left will live by the law of survival of the fittest.
Personally I believe in the rapture and that I hope God takes me before all of this happens. I’m a pansy and I wouldn't be able to handle it.
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Wasn't saying that everyone who tries to find significance in the events today is paranoid or anything, just laying out at the beginning how serious some people are about this stuff.
I totally agree with you. At times I feel sorry for those that go overboard, we can only prepare for so much. Someday we will have an Armageddon of some sort (prophesy/man) because some country will get trigger happy with a couple of nuclear bombs going to one of the major powers in the world, with my luck it will with the US, and then next thing you know the sky will be full of them. Welcome WWIII. Can an individual or a family stockpile/prepare enough for this type of disaster? I don’t think so, but whoever is left will live by the law of survival of the fittest.
Personally I believe in the rapture and that I hope God takes me before all of this happens. I’m a pansy and I wouldn't be able to handle it.
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Posted:
Sorry, I had to resurrect this thread, cos it made me laugh SO much.
Am i the only one who really wants to meet his folks?
Sorry, I had to resurrect this thread, cos it made me laugh SO much.
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Dad's got his whole food stockpile in the basement for when he has to survive the nuclear winter, Mom has her entire Nostradamus translation/interpretation series so she can predict when Dad will have to crawl in his hole and hide for years...
Am i the only one who really wants to meet his folks?
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Posted:
I do too...
I do too...
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Posted:
well, i fugure that when the end comes, we're all gonna die, so there's no point in cowering away, you'll only cower to live to cower for another few hours/days/weeks. if the end of the world is nigh, you may as well have fun before you become a whiff of carbon, hydrogen and ozone.
well, i fugure that when the end comes, we're all gonna die, so there's no point in cowering away, you'll only cower to live to cower for another few hours/days/weeks. if the end of the world is nigh, you may as well have fun before you become a whiff of carbon, hydrogen and ozone.
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not a stranger
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Location: wales
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Location: wales
Posted:
My parents were crazy religious types. They spoke in tongues at breakfast!
Well they told me that the end of the world would come in my lifetime.
I'm 40, and I'm still waiting!
My parents were crazy religious types. They spoke in tongues at breakfast!
Well they told me that the end of the world would come in my lifetime.
I'm 40, and I'm still waiting!
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Gabriel King - The Wild Road
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Posted:
As a simple rule in life goes, "Don't hate on your folks".
When you think about it, the end of the world is the end of the world, no matter how it comes about be it Biblical or Nostradomas, it doesn't really matter, it ends!
Your old man's fall out shelter might just come in handy some day, you never know when a tornado or a fire might happen and just thrash your whole house, then instead of thinking "my dad is a kook", you'll be like "good thing dad thought ahead".
My views on the end of the world, if you can't stop it, don't worry about it!
As a simple rule in life goes, "Don't hate on your folks".
When you think about it, the end of the world is the end of the world, no matter how it comes about be it Biblical or Nostradomas, it doesn't really matter, it ends!
Your old man's fall out shelter might just come in handy some day, you never know when a tornado or a fire might happen and just thrash your whole house, then instead of thinking "my dad is a kook", you'll be like "good thing dad thought ahead".
My views on the end of the world, if you can't stop it, don't worry about it!
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Location: Bristol, Uk
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Location: Bristol, Uk
Posted:
People have been waiting for Armageddon since shortly after JC was nailed up. I studied eschatology for some years and eventually concluded that if people got on with living a fruitful life - as opposed to worrying about 'The End' - then the horrors they imagine to lay in the future would never come to pass. There would be too much good being done in the world!
On the other hand, we could just push 'The Button' and find out who's right!
People have been waiting for Armageddon since shortly after JC was nailed up. I studied eschatology for some years and eventually concluded that if people got on with living a fruitful life - as opposed to worrying about 'The End' - then the horrors they imagine to lay in the future would never come to pass. There would be too much good being done in the world!
On the other hand, we could just push 'The Button' and find out who's right!
I would hate to advocate drugs, alcohol or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
not a stranger
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Location: wales
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Posted:
I'm not worrying about it, I'm waiting for it.
I'm armed and ready for the looting!
Bring it on!
I'm not worrying about it, I'm waiting for it.
I'm armed and ready for the looting!
Bring it on!
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Gabriel King - The Wild Road
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Posted:
the main qualm i have with armageddon, is that i don't think it's going to be nearly as exciting as it should be.... I want horsemen, and wars between weirdarse supernatural creatures.... if it's more like the film armageddon then i shall be sorely disappointed, biblical armageddon sounds way more fun.
the main qualm i have with armageddon, is that i don't think it's going to be nearly as exciting as it should be.... I want horsemen, and wars between weirdarse supernatural creatures.... if it's more like the film armageddon then i shall be sorely disappointed, biblical armageddon sounds way more fun.
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not a stranger
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Posted:
I'm sure you are right,
Not with a bang but a wimper,eh?
I too want the horsemen and all that freaky stuff. I feel that I was promised it, and if it don't happen I'm going to feel cheated.
I'm sure you are right,
Not with a bang but a wimper,eh?
I too want the horsemen and all that freaky stuff. I feel that I was promised it, and if it don't happen I'm going to feel cheated.
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Gabriel King - The Wild Road
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Posted:
indeed! i think we should cause an uprising and start a campaign for the correct kind of armageddon!! perhaps bringing it on early will help?? maybe i'll start spreading vicious rumours in heaven and hell, get 'em all worked up a bit....
indeed! i think we should cause an uprising and start a campaign for the correct kind of armageddon!! perhaps bringing it on early will help?? maybe i'll start spreading vicious rumours in heaven and hell, get 'em all worked up a bit....
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not a stranger
558 posts
Location: wales
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Location: wales
Posted:
Yeah! if we all work together we shold be able to kick start it.
I'll begin rounding up the seals. Who'es going to open them?
Yeah! if we all work together we shold be able to kick start it.
I'll begin rounding up the seals. Who'es going to open them?
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Posted:
Isn't there a law against clubbing seals and opening them up?
Isn't there a law against clubbing seals and opening them up?
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not a stranger
558 posts
Location: wales
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Posted:
According to the bible it has got to happen, it's been prophesied.
Shame, they look so cute with the balls balanced on their noses.
Never mind. Saddle up the horses and fetch me the knives.
Whoes got the trumpets?
According to the bible it has got to happen, it's been prophesied.
Shame, they look so cute with the balls balanced on their noses.
Never mind. Saddle up the horses and fetch me the knives.
Whoes got the trumpets?
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Gabriel King - The Wild Road
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Location: Bristol, Uk
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Location: Bristol, Uk
Posted:
I want to be a horseman too!
but only if I can be Death or War - I don't much fancy Famine or Pestilence, takes too long and not good for the complexion!
Clubbing seals doesn't sound like my kind of sport, but I figure my lists long enough without 'em - politicians generally
, lawyers , marketing execs , multinationals , Blair & Bush ........
I want to be a horseman too!
but only if I can be Death or War - I don't much fancy Famine or Pestilence, takes too long and not good for the complexion!Clubbing seals doesn't sound like my kind of sport, but I figure my lists long enough without 'em - politicians generally
, lawyers , marketing execs , multinationals , Blair & Bush ........ I would hate to advocate drugs, alcohol or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
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Posted:
Give me a sufficiently vaguely worded prophecy (which they all are), and I can make any prediction you like.
And I take VISA, MASTERCARD, and AMERICAN EXPRESS.
Give me a sufficiently vaguely worded prophecy (which they all are), and I can make any prediction you like.
And I take VISA, MASTERCARD, and AMERICAN EXPRESS.
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not a stranger
558 posts
Location: wales
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Location: wales
Posted:
You don't club them, it's too messy.
You have to open them neatly and I think that things come out.
I'm going to have to find my bible and look all this up.
Oh yeah, I think we need some wormwood. Possibly we make absinthe out of it.
Bloody hell, this apocalypse is getting to be too much like hard work.
You don't club them, it's too messy.
You have to open them neatly and I think that things come out.
I'm going to have to find my bible and look all this up.
Oh yeah, I think we need some wormwood. Possibly we make absinthe out of it.
Bloody hell, this apocalypse is getting to be too much like hard work.
Eat when you're hungry
Sleep where it's dry
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Gabriel King - The Wild Road
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Location: Bristol, Uk
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Location: Bristol, Uk
Posted:
I think the wormwood's the key to it all -
just drink loads of absinthe and hallucinate the apocalypse of your desires!! 
I think the wormwood's the key to it all -
just drink loads of absinthe and hallucinate the apocalypse of your desires!! I would hate to advocate drugs, alcohol or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
not a stranger
558 posts
Location: wales
558 posts
Location: wales
Posted:
Oh, that's so much easier.
I'm so glad you thought of it. I can release the seals back into the wild now.
Oh, that's so much easier.
I'm so glad you thought of it. I can release the seals back into the wild now.
Eat when you're hungry
Sleep where it's dry
No one is ever what they seem
Gabriel King - The Wild Road
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Location: Bristol, Uk
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Location: Bristol, Uk
Posted:
Please do...I'm sure they're traumatized enough by all this talk of clubbing and what's inside them etc
Please do...I'm sure they're traumatized enough by all this talk of clubbing and what's inside them etc
I would hate to advocate drugs, alcohol or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
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Posted:
Im gonna die one day........ might as well be tomorrow. Not as if i have a choice in the matter.
Im gonna die one day........ might as well be tomorrow. Not as if i have a choice in the matter.
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Pirate Ninja
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Posted:
Whats the difference between dying now and dying at the end of your life?
Whats the difference between dying now and dying at the end of your life?
Love is the law.
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who can tell. When will the end of YOUR life be? Maybe you are destined to die today? To be honest- i dont care. Ive died once, ill do it again and again. All i know is that i think ill be happier dead then alive. At least hman worries and pettiness wont bug me. At least ill know the truth + wether or not there is an afterlife etc. And if St John hates me... ill go to hell with a smile coz 'im worth it.'
who can tell. When will the end of YOUR life be? Maybe you are destined to die today? To be honest- i dont care. Ive died once, ill do it again and again. All i know is that i think ill be happier dead then alive. At least hman worries and pettiness wont bug me. At least ill know the truth + wether or not there is an afterlife etc. And if St John hates me... ill go to hell with a smile coz 'im worth it.'
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Pirate Ninja
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Location: Galway/Ireland
Posted:
exactly
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who can tell. When will the end of YOUR life be? Maybe you are destined to die today?
exactly
Love is the law.
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Posted:
im ready to die either way. Every day i live has a reason to suggest the end or completion of my destiny- its that damn exciting!
im ready to die either way. Every day i live has a reason to suggest the end or completion of my destiny- its that damn exciting!
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Pirate Ninja
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Location: Galway/Ireland
Pirate Ninja
3,882 posts
Location: Galway/Ireland
Posted:
You feel that youve done enough that your death wont make a difference?
Can you do enough? Is your destiny as finite as your death?
You feel that youve done enough that your death wont make a difference?
Can you do enough? Is your destiny as finite as your death?
Love is the law.
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Posted:
my death will be very cool, much blood etc
my death will be very cool, much blood etc
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