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Erm I'm sure it's on the board somewhere but I can't find it. Do you have to use finger spinning to do a 3 beat weave? If so, do you just hold the staffs normally when entering it cause I find the finger spin that seems necessary, very difficult?
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Erm I'm sure it's on the board somewhere but I can't find it. Do you have to use finger spinning to do a 3 beat weave? If so, do you just hold the staffs normally when entering it cause I find the finger spin that seems necessary, very difficult?
Thanky
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I can do snakes one at a time with my staff but my progress was cut short last night when I smacked myself in the eye and had to run inside for ice...
...kinda lost my enthusiasm after that 
Yea I know when I learnt to weave with my clubs it took a little getting used to. Is it the same wrist co-ordination or even more I wonder. I'll try the slowly creaping back toward centre tonight me thinks.
That'd be really cool Josh...
No worries Cole.
I can do snakes one at a time with my staff but my progress was cut short last night when I smacked myself in the eye and had to run inside for ice...
...kinda lost my enthusiasm after that Yea I know when I learnt to weave with my clubs it took a little getting used to. Is it the same wrist co-ordination or even more I wonder. I'll try the slowly creaping back toward centre tonight me thinks.
That'd be really cool Josh...
No worries Cole.
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Ok, got the normal 3 beat.
I'll explain what clicked for me in case it helps anyone. Say circle one is right hand over top of left, then circle 2 is right hand underneath left hand on the left hand side. I couldn't do this because the pinky side of the right hand stick was getting caught up somwhere between my left arm pit and kinda pointing at my face.
I moved the pinky side from in between my arms to outside my right arm, while the thumb side of the stick was completing circle 2 on my left hand side,under my left arm.
Once I got this 2 beat and then the opposite side it clicked.
It does feel like there is some kind of adjustment or small seperation (my hand are definetely not next to each other) to make it work but it is definietly a 3 beat with no fingers...
Ok, got the normal 3 beat.
I'll explain what clicked for me in case it helps anyone. Say circle one is right hand over top of left, then circle 2 is right hand underneath left hand on the left hand side. I couldn't do this because the pinky side of the right hand stick was getting caught up somwhere between my left arm pit and kinda pointing at my face.
I moved the pinky side from in between my arms to outside my right arm, while the thumb side of the stick was completing circle 2 on my left hand side,under my left arm.
Once I got this 2 beat and then the opposite side it clicked.
It does feel like there is some kind of adjustment or small seperation (my hand are definetely not next to each other) to make it work but it is definietly a 3 beat with no fingers...
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as i recall i showed simone this one on tuesday so he can come back and explain it. just one snake either side (2 would give you 4 and 5 beat weaves, tricky but not impossible with 5 footers)
i would, but i'm on ultra slow dialup so can't be stopping
soon
back to the burgh and all the playtime in the wooooooolrd*evil laugh*
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ps i'll be hopping into the other stick thread about names and sturf then too... wait for me would ya?!
as i recall i showed simone this one on tuesday so he can come back and explain it. just one snake either side (2 would give you 4 and 5 beat weaves, tricky but not impossible with 5 footers)
i would, but i'm on ultra slow dialup so can't be stopping
soon
back to the burgh and all the playtime in the wooooooolrd*evil laugh*
R
ps i'll be hopping into the other stick thread about names and sturf then too... wait for me would ya?!
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when seeing it, i discovered the source of my, and possibly your, confusion
stone say:
I’ve been trying the double on each side but without the snake.
bleuchat say:
just one snake either side (2 would give you 4 and 5 beat weaves, tricky but not impossible with 5 footers)
i think when Stone says snakes he means proper ass clubswinging snakes like what is in Ms Jillings nice instructions. Where you hold toward one end with the thumb pointing toward the end of the staff.
Thats what i mean by snakes too...
Bleuchat means a low doublespin (i think) which does use the same wrist twisty action, but is held in the centre of the stick.
so i was thinking "3bt + snakes" meant isolated buzzsaw crazy weave but it didn't.
Hmm, i still don't quite understand it yet (even tho i scene it)
Way i saw it:
Both sticks do half a rotation on the non-reaching side, and a full rotation on the reaching side, with one stick half a rotation ahead of the other.
OR
Both sticks do 1.5 rotations each side, with one stick half a rotation ahead of the other.
but i may be wrong on both...
when seeing it, i discovered the source of my, and possibly your, confusion
stone say:
I’ve been trying the double on each side but without the snake.
bleuchat say:
just one snake either side (2 would give you 4 and 5 beat weaves, tricky but not impossible with 5 footers)
i think when Stone says snakes he means proper ass clubswinging snakes like what is in Ms Jillings nice instructions. Where you hold toward one end with the thumb pointing toward the end of the staff.
Thats what i mean by snakes too...
Bleuchat means a low doublespin (i think) which does use the same wrist twisty action, but is held in the centre of the stick.
so i was thinking "3bt + snakes" meant isolated buzzsaw crazy weave but it didn't.
Hmm, i still don't quite understand it yet (even tho i scene it)
Way i saw it:
Both sticks do half a rotation on the non-reaching side, and a full rotation on the reaching side, with one stick half a rotation ahead of the other.
OR
Both sticks do 1.5 rotations each side, with one stick half a rotation ahead of the other.
but i may be wrong on both...
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um. no. sorry.
proper reply when i have time.
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r
um. no. sorry.
proper reply when i have time.
hugs
r
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ok heres a description of what I'm doing;
both sticks held in the centre, twirling forward in wheel (think segway) plane, parallel timing. Which ever hand is leading in the cross to the other side does a normal figure-eight movement to cross to the other side of the body, while the other hand does a 1/2 snake (the 1/2 snake starting after that stick hand completed its turn of leading) to cross. Then as the first snake finishes, start the other hand snaking, it should be on the other side of your body and snaking back to the start.
The snake movement is used to float that staff from leading to chasing. So, the snake is the swap before the cross, the same as that in the 3-beat weave with poi.
Does this make sense?
Josh
ok heres a description of what I'm doing;
both sticks held in the centre, twirling forward in wheel (think segway) plane, parallel timing. Which ever hand is leading in the cross to the other side does a normal figure-eight movement to cross to the other side of the body, while the other hand does a 1/2 snake (the 1/2 snake starting after that stick hand completed its turn of leading) to cross. Then as the first snake finishes, start the other hand snaking, it should be on the other side of your body and snaking back to the start.
The snake movement is used to float that staff from leading to chasing. So, the snake is the swap before the cross, the same as that in the 3-beat weave with poi.
Does this make sense?
Josh
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yeah cool, cos that means
which was my first guess. Yay!
hmm, maybe should have qualified that: non-reaching side is left for left hand, right for right hand. reaching side is right for left hand, left for right hand. but who cares cos josh has now explained it with clearly clear clarity, clearly
now i just have to practice this thing for long enough without getting frustrated and doing poi instead
yeah cool, cos that means
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Both sticks do half a rotation on the non-reaching side, and a full rotation on the reaching side, with one stick half a rotation ahead of the other
which was my first guess. Yay!
hmm, maybe should have qualified that: non-reaching side is left for left hand, right for right hand. reaching side is right for left hand, left for right hand. but who cares cos josh has now explained it with clearly clear clarity, clearly
now i just have to practice this thing for long enough without getting frustrated and doing poi instead
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Don't get fruterated! To tell you the truth poi and doubles are about the same thing/ same movements. The cool thing about the Double staffs is that you can toss and catch them a bit easyer.
I say the 3 beat weave IS posible, but it is a lot nicer to look at just 1/2 of the weave or the "split chase" '2 beat' they have been calling it. Its alot easyer to spinn 180 and 360's with as well. You can also come inside your arms with it the weave , or stop one staff and start "Staff Slaps" up or down (depending on weather you are going forwards or bakwards.) There are alot of different combos you can do from the Double Staff Weave. I just think the 2 beat looks and is alot nicer to do than the 3 beat.
Don't get fruterated! To tell you the truth poi and doubles are about the same thing/ same movements. The cool thing about the Double staffs is that you can toss and catch them a bit easyer.
I say the 3 beat weave IS posible, but it is a lot nicer to look at just 1/2 of the weave or the "split chase" '2 beat' they have been calling it. Its alot easyer to spinn 180 and 360's with as well. You can also come inside your arms with it the weave , or stop one staff and start "Staff Slaps" up or down (depending on weather you are going forwards or bakwards.) There are alot of different combos you can do from the Double Staff Weave. I just think the 2 beat looks and is alot nicer to do than the 3 beat.
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It'd be real nice to see this...it's hard to learn just hearing descriptions.
It'd be real nice to see this...it's hard to learn just hearing descriptions.
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3 beat weave can be done without the snakes (in fact its easier that way) but it requires alternating acelleration and deceleration to create the 'swap' section of the 3 beat. It can be done but its not like how poi do it...as poi keep a steady pace. The Snake version allows the sticks to maintain the same pace, and so imho is closer to the poi version.
Josh
3 beat weave can be done without the snakes (in fact its easier that way) but it requires alternating acelleration and deceleration to create the 'swap' section of the 3 beat. It can be done but its not like how poi do it...as poi keep a steady pace. The Snake version allows the sticks to maintain the same pace, and so imho is closer to the poi version.
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Thanks for the description Josh. I've only not replied yet cause I still can't get my head around it. It might take a while me thinks.
Thanks for the description Josh. I've only not replied yet cause I still can't get my head around it. It might take a while me thinks.
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Nice comments FireSpirit but wot’s a split-chase? Is it similar to the follow-shift and split-shift, which I use instead of the carry with 2-beat waist wraps and b/fly stuff?
Nice comments FireSpirit
but wot’s a split-chase? Is it similar to the follow-shift and split-shift, which I use instead of the carry with 2-beat waist wraps and b/fly stuff? If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
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I think the split-chase refers to the 2-beat weave, ie. one staff stacked on the other both doing figure eights in the same plane and site, seperated by a 1/4 turn or so.
the basic three beat weave with doubles tho, is just an alternating side split-chase, so I'm not sure what Fire Spirit is on about how it looks so much worse than the 2-beat? - it is after all just a 2 beat action swapping from side to side?
Josh
I think the split-chase refers to the 2-beat weave, ie. one staff stacked on the other both doing figure eights in the same plane and site, seperated by a 1/4 turn or so.
the basic three beat weave with doubles tho, is just an alternating side split-chase, so I'm not sure what Fire Spirit is on about how it looks so much worse than the 2-beat? - it is after all just a 2 beat action swapping from side to side?
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Thanks Josh, ummm, I might get u to show me that one. CU
Thanks Josh, ummm, I might get u to show me that one. CU
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two beat weave with sticks is the same as 2 beat weave with poi
Josh
two beat weave with sticks is the same as 2 beat weave with poi
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so if you only count one end of each stick (ie. painted it red and ignored the other bit) you get two beats on each side.. but for the 3bt if you counted only one end of each stick do you get 3 beats? I can't really tell, but the 3btesque move that I do doesn't as far as I know, but I still alternate which arm crosses which.. so is this what youre all on about when talking about 3 bt with doubles
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two beat weave with sticks is the same as 2 beat weave with poi
so if you only count one end of each stick (ie. painted it red and ignored the other bit) you get two beats on each side.. but for the 3bt if you counted only one end of each stick do you get 3 beats? I can't really tell, but the 3btesque move that I do doesn't as far as I know, but I still alternate which arm crosses which.. so is this what youre all on about when talking about 3 bt with doubles
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four beats is the easier version but three beats isnt too much harder, if you know how to do 1-beat twirling (ie one end of the stick stays on one side, the other on the other, much like it does when you do fishys).
I still think the snake 3-beat is the best version tho
Josh
four beats is the easier version but three beats isnt too much harder, if you know how to do 1-beat twirling (ie one end of the stick stays on one side, the other on the other, much like it does when you do fishys).
I still think the snake 3-beat is the best version tho
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When you guys do the three beat, can you keep your wrists together all the time? i.e, could you do it wearing handcuffs?
I tried to figure out weaves a while ago, and decided it was impossible, but after reading this thread I got a 3 beat in about half an hour - I think. It hurt my wrists a bit at first, but now it feels OK, and is almost getting graceful. BUT, when one hand comes over the other, I have to open up my hands to let the ends of the staff through, and I'd much rather be able to do it with my hands together. So can any of you do that, or is this as good as it gets?
Cheers,
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When you guys do the three beat, can you keep your wrists together all the time? i.e, could you do it wearing handcuffs?
I tried to figure out weaves a while ago, and decided it was impossible, but after reading this thread I got a 3 beat in about half an hour - I think
. It hurt my wrists a bit at first, but now it feels OK, and is almost getting graceful. BUT, when one hand comes over the other, I have to open up my hands to let the ends of the staff through, and I'd much rather be able to do it with my hands together. So can any of you do that, or is this as good as it gets?Cheers,
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Yip I know what you're talking about. That's the best I can do at the moment too.
There is a much better 3 beat weave in there though using snakes as described by Josh above in this thread. I'm not able to do it but plan on learning at some stage...
Yip I know what you're talking about. That's the best I can do at the moment too.
There is a much better 3 beat weave in there though using snakes as described by Josh above in this thread. I'm not able to do it but plan on learning at some stage...
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Will give that fishy one a try, thanks Josh.
Mo-seph said
Will give that fishy one a try, thanks Josh.
Mo-seph said
Quote:Probably, as an alternative use two hands on one staff and do the weave.
When you guys do the three beat, can you keep your wrists together all the time? i.e, could you do it wearing handcuffs?
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Palm it.
I find it easier to do this in reverse. on the one leading across the body do one palm spin (right hand does palm just as it gets to left side). this stops the staves getting locked up.
can also be done in forward though the palm for this is opposite direction and not as smooth for me.
lots of fun to bring this up into above the head cross formations and back over to other side or wherever etc.
Palm it.
I find it easier to do this in reverse. on the one leading across the body do one palm spin (right hand does palm just as it gets to left side). this stops the staves getting locked up.
can also be done in forward though the palm for this is opposite direction and not as smooth for me.
lots of fun to bring this up into above the head cross formations and back over to other side or wherever etc.
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*bump* I can't find it possible to keep wrists close together doing 3 beat staff weave. I find to prevent staff clashes, when both staffs are crossing your body (pretty much in parallel I might add, and its fun to make this part of the weave really fast :P), the hand with the staff going to the other side (the one who will do 2 spins on that side) shold start of quite high.
Pretty bad explanation, in short try to make your movements big and you'll see what i mean, then you can minimise where possible.
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*bump* I can't find it possible to keep wrists close together doing 3 beat staff weave. I find to prevent staff clashes, when both staffs are crossing your body (pretty much in parallel I might add, and its fun to make this part of the weave really fast :P), the hand with the staff going to the other side (the one who will do 2 spins on that side) shold start of quite high.
Pretty bad explanation, in short try to make your movements big and you'll see what i mean, then you can minimise where possible.
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Whoo, good bump! I've got a 3-beat handcuff weave now! (i.e. with my wrists touching all the time)
I was just about to write back and say "I agree, it's impossible", when
OK, now to try and describe it:
Start with one staff, holding it in the middle with thumbs touching, knuckles up, with your right hand resting on your right hip, staff horizontal. End (A) is pointing forwards. The move is in side plane.
Push the end (A) down and round towards the back, while raising your right elbow. As (A) reaches the top of its rotation, twist your body so that it can complete the motion coming back down on your left hand side. You should now be in the mirror image of your starting position, with end (A) pointing backwards. Now just repeat the mirror, and you're back to the beginning.
Now do it with two staffs held close to each other
I'm pretty sure this counts as a three beat weave; it's got three beats, and the hands alternate as to which is on top as they cross the body. I think the difference between this and the other versions I've been trying is that it uses the underarm snake not the wrist-lock snake (sorry, don't know if those are proper terms), and that means that the staffs swap the lead when your arms aren't in the way.
So now I can still do a 3-beat weave with doubles after I've been arrested for having too much fun in a public place. Yay!
Whoo, good bump! I've got a 3-beat handcuff weave now! (i.e. with my wrists touching all the time)
I was just about to write back and say "I agree, it's impossible", when
OK, now to try and describe it:
Start with one staff, holding it in the middle with thumbs touching, knuckles up, with your right hand resting on your right hip, staff horizontal. End (A) is pointing forwards. The move is in side plane.
Push the end (A) down and round towards the back, while raising your right elbow. As (A) reaches the top of its rotation, twist your body so that it can complete the motion coming back down on your left hand side. You should now be in the mirror image of your starting position, with end (A) pointing backwards. Now just repeat the mirror, and you're back to the beginning.
Now do it with two staffs held close to each other
I'm pretty sure this counts as a three beat weave; it's got three beats, and the hands alternate as to which is on top as they cross the body. I think the difference between this and the other versions I've been trying is that it uses the underarm snake not the wrist-lock snake (sorry, don't know if those are proper terms), and that means that the staffs swap the lead when your arms aren't in the way.
So now I can still do a 3-beat weave with doubles after I've been arrested for having too much fun in a public place. Yay!
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hey nice. I soooorta know what you talking about. A movie would be great though... :P. by underarm snake you main that thing where you do an extra half turn at the end of your spin before bring it back (what I call triple spin, its a 3beat figure 8). Maybe I don't quite follow. So you are turning your body heaps during this? It sounds fancy and i'd love to see and do it, ill have a play soon.
Too many new interesting moves damnit, ive only just started double staff and im finding my practise sessions getting longer and longer as i go through everything :P.
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hey nice. I soooorta know what you talking about. A movie would be great though... :P. by underarm snake you main that thing where you do an extra half turn at the end of your spin before bring it back (what I call triple spin, its a 3beat figure 8). Maybe I don't quite follow. So you are turning your body heaps during this? It sounds fancy and i'd love to see and do it, ill have a play soon.
Too many new interesting moves damnit, ive only just started double staff and im finding my practise sessions getting longer and longer as i go through everything :P.
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hey I just had a quick play. I managed to do the 3beat weave the same way as i had been but with wrists touching, hooray! But to be honest, I think it looks messy =/. Since your wrists are connected your sticks are doomed to be spinning in exactly the same circles, so they are either spining exactly together (which i personally think looks messy), or at 90degrees as a cross (which looks better, but im struggling to keep the cross exact, i tried different grips where hands hold both staffs etc but I couldn't get it good, i could practise it i spose)[,or swinging between parallel or perpendicular]. I think I actually prefer having the wrists apart, because you can clearly see each staff spinning and it looks cool because you can join them as they cross your body together and separate them at the sides. Each to their own I guess.
Anyway, to do 3 beat with touching wrists, just try the normal way with snaking (by snaking I take this to mean where you sorta let the staff wrap around so part of it is resting on your wrist), but just start with the staffs together and they should stay.
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hey I just had a quick play. I managed to do the 3beat weave the same way as i had been but with wrists touching, hooray! But to be honest, I think it looks messy =/. Since your wrists are connected your sticks are doomed to be spinning in exactly the same circles, so they are either spining exactly together (which i personally think looks messy), or at 90degrees as a cross (which looks better, but im struggling to keep the cross exact, i tried different grips where hands hold both staffs etc but I couldn't get it good, i could practise it i spose)[,or swinging between parallel or perpendicular]. I think I actually prefer having the wrists apart, because you can clearly see each staff spinning and it looks cool because you can join them as they cross your body together and separate them at the sides. Each to their own I guess.
Anyway, to do 3 beat with touching wrists, just try the normal way with snaking (by snaking I take this to mean where you sorta let the staff wrap around so part of it is resting on your wrist), but just start with the staffs together and they should stay.
- Klaymen
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Hey Moseph that sounds really interesting though I've a feeling I'm not understanding correctly. Does right hand stay on right hand side and point A moved to point backwards while staying on right before moving over the left to unwind?
I've since learnt the one Josh describes above after Rob showed me at the BJC. It's well worth learning cause it feels lovely.
I found this easiest to learn by just getting the motions one hand at a time.
Look here for explainantion of shouldar snake circles
1) Right hand does one normal figure 8 on left hand side. Circle one of a normal snake except it crosses to the other side too.
2) Right hand then does second circle on left hand side (and this is circle 2 of a shoulder snake)
3) Right hand circle 3 throw off back to right hand side.
I learnt the motion one hand at a time (it feel slightly different to shouldar snakes). Both hands are doing these exact movements and it's just a case of 'mashing' them together in there right places. Josh's quote above should help.
I've just gotta try get in backwards now
Hey Moseph that sounds really interesting though I've a feeling I'm not understanding correctly. Does right hand stay on right hand side and point A moved to point backwards while staying on right before moving over the left to unwind?
I've since learnt the one Josh describes above after Rob showed me at the BJC. It's well worth learning cause it feels lovely.
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both sticks held in the centre, twirling forward in wheel (think segway) plane, parallel timing. Which ever hand is leading in the cross to the other side does a normal figure-eight movement to cross to the other side of the body, while the other hand does a 1/2 snake (the 1/2 snake starting after that stick hand completed its turn of leading) to cross. Then as the first snake finishes, start the other hand snaking, it should be on the other side of your body and snaking back to the start.
The snake movement is used to float that staff from leading to chasing. So, the snake is the swap before the cross, the same as that in the 3-beat weave with poi.
I found this easiest to learn by just getting the motions one hand at a time.
Look here for explainantion of shouldar snake circles
1) Right hand does one normal figure 8 on left hand side. Circle one of a normal snake except it crosses to the other side too.
2) Right hand then does second circle on left hand side (and this is circle 2 of a shoulder snake)
3) Right hand circle 3 throw off back to right hand side.
I learnt the motion one hand at a time (it feel slightly different to shouldar snakes). Both hands are doing these exact movements and it's just a case of 'mashing' them together in there right places. Josh's quote above should help.
I've just gotta try get in backwards now
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I *think* I've got that one - and yeah, after a few days of wrist hurtiness, it feels great (and turning from forwards to backwards is lovely ). But, unless there's some cunning trick that no-one's told me about, you've got to open up your wrists to make the change from leading to following.
You can also turn your wrists inside out in a funny way and get either a 4 or 5 beat variation - I'll have a play at lunchtime and see if I can explain better...
Edit: sorry, knackered my wrists with Josh's front butterfly ww (which is *almost* there, but still a bit clonky)
Maybe tomorrow...
EDITED_BY: mo-seph (1086702054)
I *think* I've got that one - and yeah, after a few days of wrist hurtiness, it feels great (and turning from forwards to backwards is lovely
). But, unless there's some cunning trick that no-one's told me about, you've got to open up your wrists to make the change from leading to following. You can also turn your wrists inside out in a funny way and get either a 4 or 5 beat variation - I'll have a play at lunchtime and see if I can explain better...
Edit: sorry, knackered my wrists with Josh's front butterfly ww (which is *almost* there, but still a bit clonky)
Maybe tomorrow...
EDITED_BY: mo-seph (1086702054)
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Right, I think I've figured out what's confusing me, and it goes a bit like this
- I could do the weave in DSS' post above, but I always had to separate my wrists to let the staffs change place
- Today, I tried doing the same weave with one staff, and it works fine. So you must be able to do it wrists together. And hey presto, I can!
BUT...
you have to make it asymmetric to do it
If you take your one staff, and magically split it into two, one on top of the other, then you have a top staff, and a bottom staff (top and bottom might get a bit confusing here. Call them strange and charm if it helps...). If you look at your hands when they go across, you have a leading hand and a following hand. If it was totally symmetrical, then you'd go from one staff being top on one side, to that staff being bottom on the other side, and the hands swap position each time they cross your body. This is what you get if you open your wrists and let the staffs change position. If you keep your hands together, then your hands swap position, but but the staffs don't, which means that on the way back, one of your hands goes kind of inside the other staff, and it rests on the back of your wrist until it uncoils.
Now I don't expect that to make too much sense as it is , but maybe if you play about with the idea that there's two different things that change - which hand leads, and which staff is on top (or whether your hand is inside or outside the leading staff, or something like that) - it might help you make some sense of it.
Well, I might not be able to explain it, but I do understand it a lot better, and it flows more nicer too.
Now if I could just figure out a way to get the half beat offset I need to go into it without cheating, I'd be laughing... (At least it's easy to sneak a half beat in somewhere cunning )
Happy brain work!
Right, I think I've figured out what's confusing me, and it goes a bit like this
- I could do the weave in DSS' post above, but I always had to separate my wrists to let the staffs change place
- Today, I tried doing the same weave with one staff, and it works fine. So you must be able to do it wrists together. And hey presto, I can!
BUT...
you have to make it asymmetric to do it
If you take your one staff, and magically split it into two, one on top of the other, then you have a top staff, and a bottom staff (top and bottom might get a bit confusing here. Call them strange and charm if it helps...). If you look at your hands when they go across, you have a leading hand and a following hand. If it was totally symmetrical, then you'd go from one staff being top on one side, to that staff being bottom on the other side, and the hands swap position each time they cross your body. This is what you get if you open your wrists and let the staffs change position. If you keep your hands together, then your hands swap position, but but the staffs don't, which means that on the way back, one of your hands goes kind of inside the other staff, and it rests on the back of your wrist until it uncoils.
Now I don't expect that to make too much sense as it is
, but maybe if you play about with the idea that there's two different things that change - which hand leads, and which staff is on top (or whether your hand is inside or outside the leading staff, or something like that) - it might help you make some sense of it.Well, I might not be able to explain it, but I do understand it a lot better, and it flows more nicer too.
Now if I could just figure out a way to get the half beat offset I need to go into it without cheating, I'd be laughing... (At least it's easy to sneak a half beat in somewhere cunning
)Happy brain work!
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OK, four-beats
Just take the basic four beat snake pattern, transpose it from wall to side plane, and do two at once. Easy!
So you start with your left hand crossed to your right side, and the staff locked against your forearm (just at you would for starting one of the three beat weaves above) and your right arm elbow sticking out horizontally, forearm coming back towards your body, knuckles pointing left, thumb pointing back. Bring the back ends of the staffs up and cross over to the front on the other side, then uncoil the staffs and keep going till they've coiled back to a mirror image of the starting position. Repeat the reverse, and that's it.
Mwahhahhhahhahhahahahha!
Just got a 5! WhhhoooO!
It's kind of the logical continuation
Start as you would for the four beat above, but give your left hand staff an extra half rotation in the painful direction before you start (so it's like a double snake, which is where the extra beat comes from). You have to turn your torso about 90 degrees right, because your left elbow has to point directly backwards on your right hand side, and be able to rotate in that plane. Listen to your body cry out in protest! Bwahahahaha! Just as before, bring the back ends of the staffs up and over, uncoil, recoil, end up on the other side, come back, bish bash bosh, nyema problemy.
BTW, health warning, I've been trying this *very slowly* with some small staffs, and my wrists hurt. Warm up! Please! Think of the children...
As far as I can tell, the 5-beat with the other double snake in put's your joints in positions only seen in wrestling matches just before someone taps the mat... So the 6-beat might be out. We'll see...
Good luck!
(I'll maybe try to get a video of this, I'm not convinced how good my text is..)
OK, four-beats
Just take the basic four beat snake pattern, transpose it from wall to side plane, and do two at once. Easy!
So you start with your left hand crossed to your right side, and the staff locked against your forearm (just at you would for starting one of the three beat weaves above) and your right arm elbow sticking out horizontally, forearm coming back towards your body, knuckles pointing left, thumb pointing back. Bring the back ends of the staffs up and cross over to the front on the other side, then uncoil the staffs and keep going till they've coiled back to a mirror image of the starting position. Repeat the reverse, and that's it.
Mwahhahhhahhahhahahahha!
Just got a 5! WhhhoooO!
It's kind of the logical continuation
Start as you would for the four beat above, but give your left hand staff an extra half rotation in the painful direction
before you start (so it's like a double snake, which is where the extra beat comes from). You have to turn your torso about 90 degrees right, because your left elbow has to point directly backwards on your right hand side, and be able to rotate in that plane. Listen to your body cry out in protest! Bwahahahaha! Just as before, bring the back ends of the staffs up and over, uncoil, recoil, end up on the other side, come back, bish bash bosh, nyema problemy.BTW, health warning, I've been trying this *very slowly* with some small staffs, and my wrists hurt. Warm up! Please! Think of the children...
As far as I can tell, the 5-beat with the other double snake in put's your joints in positions only seen in wrestling matches just before someone taps the mat... So the 6-beat might be out. We'll see...
Good luck!
(I'll maybe try to get a video of this, I'm not convinced how good my text is..)
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oh my LORD. Please make a video, I wanna see this, you crazy 5beat weave 6 beats fig8 man, I reckon you have 4 elbows.
- Klaymen
oh my LORD. Please make a video, I wanna see this, you crazy 5beat weave 6 beats fig8 man, I reckon you have 4 elbows.
- Klaymen
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