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PeleBRONZE Member
the henna lady
6,193 posts
Location: WNY, USA


Posted:
We have some sad news and some good news.

First of all the International Spin Gathering is still happening but in 2004 in Christchurch, NZ. Due to complications with planning we have decided to postpone it rather than present something half baked. Just look at it this way, this gives everyone more time to save!

However, we encourage everyone to try to set up a spin that covers a substantial area around you, or those who can't set one up due to isolation, to travel to one. The smaller events will create friendships that will make the International gathering even more powerful. If you need help pulling these together, please feel free to ask us for some advice or help.

Kindest regards and many thanks for the patience!

Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK


MrConfusedBRONZE Member
addict
529 posts
Location: I wish I knew, United Kingdom


Posted:
That's worked out quite well for me. I wasn't planning on going to the international gathering because I will (touch wood) be doing the world tour thing late 2003-2004. The delay means I should be able to go, as I was planning on visiting NZ anyway! I think you've just made my day, Pele!

J

If you're not confused, you're not thinking about things hard enough.


Sepamember
184 posts
Location: London


Posted:
*laugh* Mine too.

Couldn't afford to make it in time for 2003, but 2004 is pufffect as I have a wedding to attend in NZ at about the same time.

Kewel!

Hope it doesn't dissapoint too many other people, though.

TheBovrilMonkeySILVER Member
Liquid Cow
2,629 posts
Location: High Wycombe, England


Posted:
I hate to say it, but this news benefits me too. I realised not long ago that there was no way I could afford to get to NZ in 2003, having another year to save means I may well be able to go.
Not to mention that I have another year to practise

But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.


SmokyDavySILVER Member
Do my poi look too small in this?
394 posts
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Posted:
me too! I might actually be able to go now.. and perhaps I'll make that the beginning of my next journey, so I can end up in melbourne!

Bender_the_OffenderGOLD Member
still can't believe it's not butter
6,978 posts
Location: Melbourne, Australia


Posted:
lol at least u guys gave us warning well in advance! - I'm gunna start my first backpackka mayhem trip to coincide with the firey goodness of nu zuland. Thank the Gungans that i haven't resigned yet!!
presently, I'm making an innocuous/important looking packaging for my fire equipment.. cus no customs dude is gunna take away my bloved toys!

Laugh Often, Smile Much, Post lolcats Always


KaliBRONZE Member
member
577 posts
Location: Berlin, Germany


Posted:
Well, I wasn't going to be able to go if it was in Februaryof 2003 as Ill be back in school then. So, this actually works out well (I think) for me and I could definitely use some more time for the finances and such being a starving student and all.

Beauty is the conscious sum of all our perversions.-Salvador DaliHope without action is hopeless.


miss_rummageSILVER Member
member
63 posts
Location: london, United Kingdom


Posted:
pooh wee.
well i definately wont be able to go as i was going to be back in nz for jan/feb 2003, and will be heading over to asia after that.
god damn, well i hope everyone has a wicked time, you are bound too!
and if everyone is going to be in the south island i recommend going to..
the golden bay / takaka region at the top of the south island. empty beaches, delicious fresh fruit, happy peoples, and very chilled.
i will be there in spirit

stay smilin


CassandraFroggie ... Ribbit !!!
4,224 posts
Location: Back in Paris... for now !


Posted:
Hi everyone !

So now the sad news is official : here is the good news for everyone...
The HOP gathering in Feb 2003 is postponed, but all of you who were going to be in New Zealand around that time , make sure we keep in touch. i'll be traveling around NZ january / february 2003 and then off to OZ.

there is a wicked New Zealand Juggling Festival in Waihi (near auckland) middle of february (still can't find the dates though)which includes Fun, camping, juggling and even more fun.
I think it'd be sogreat for all of us to still meet there (even you, OZ shiny people !!!!)
Anyway, give me a shout, a ahello and a smile if you are interested. i'll be posting more info as soon as I find out about the NZJC !

shine on
cassandra

"I want brown bread... no, that is diesel oil..."
"So I was raised in Europe, where History comes from ..."
"NON !!! La Plume de mon oncle n est pas Bingibangibungi !!!"


FireMikeZLaguna dude
1,438 posts
Location: Laguna, California, US


Posted:
so i got time to earn da concord fare to see Malcolm & Charles & EVERYONE after all?

cool.

~ Mikie

molten cheers,

~ FireMike

FireMikeZ@yahoo.com (personal messages welcome, no promo spam, please!)
Laguna, California, US


Bender_the_OffenderGOLD Member
still can't believe it's not butter
6,978 posts
Location: Melbourne, Australia


Posted:
since we can't carry fuel on a plane and live through the experience, i wonder if we can organise a group oracle of fuel at said convention? just thinking out loud.
i wonder what i ate last night for that smell to be that bad.
okay i sould stop thinking out loud now.
why to they call it ovaltine....

Laugh Often, Smile Much, Post lolcats Always


PeleBRONZE Member
the henna lady
6,193 posts
Location: WNY, USA


Posted:
Yeah Mike, we thought that would be the high point to the putting off of it.

bender, we were thinking of doing just that. However, this actually creates a problem with liability. If we provide you with fuel, and then something goes wrong with you and the fuel, we can actually be to blame.
A few thoughts were kicked around as to how to acquire enough fuel, and have everyone remain responsible for their own actions.
It's quirks, though this would be for the party times after the actual public convention. At the public convention we were thinking the only people allowed to spin fire would be those who are performing on stage, insured, blah, blah, blah. Of course everyone is welcome to spin non-fire stuff all the time.
Just one of the many, many things we have brought up for discussion. Thanks for all input however!
Hugs

Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK


Trippie HippieBRONZE Member
old hand
733 posts
Location: Bewildered state of nothingness, United Kingdom


Posted:
Excellent!!!!!
There was no way i could attend the 2003 meet,
But 2004, thats all the time that i need to get the money together!!!! HOOOORAY for HOP!!!!!
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Last night i met some pixies and we danced around a stone.


Trippie Hippie- Monty Dons secret love child

Fly like a mouse, run like a pillow, be the small book case.

"Last night i met some pixies and we danced around a stone".

Because dressing up is fun.


FireMikeZLaguna dude
1,438 posts
Location: Laguna, California, US


Posted:
Pele, thanks for welcoming input. ok,

quote:
Originally posted by Pele:
A few thoughts were kicked around as to how to acquire enough fuel, and have everyone remain responsible for their own actions.
sounds just like some of the usual (for large established organizations) agreement stuff in the fine print during convention registration? plus if each one buys fuel from the common source, a further quick siggy can be done there, no prob.

tho yes, no matter who provides fuel, a lawsuit can happen (so maybe not so much is saved by refraining from a central source, and btw that could be a 3rd party vendor -- prolly you all considered all these options already, sorry to suggest more). and if it happens, the signed agreements may win, but you still have to fight any suit. again, suit will probably not depend on who provides but whether the plaintiff wants to sue anyone at all, happens all the time, a no ne?

quote:
At the public convention we were thinking the only people allowed to spin fire would be those who are performing on stage, insured, blah, blah, blah.
surely this would be unfortunately exclusionary, especially in the spirit of a gathering of pyros as pyros as fire arts performers in particular?

[ 30 October 2002, 07:14: Message edited by: FíreMîke ]

molten cheers,

~ FireMike

FireMikeZ@yahoo.com (personal messages welcome, no promo spam, please!)
Laguna, California, US


PeleBRONZE Member
the henna lady
6,193 posts
Location: WNY, USA


Posted:
quote:
tho yes, no matter who provides fuel, a lawsuit can happen (so maybe not so much is saved by refraining from a central source, and btw that could be a 3rd party vendor -- prolly you all considered all these options already, sorry to suggest more). and if it happens, the signed agreements may win, but you still have to fight any suit. again, suit will probably not depend on who provides but whether the plaintiff wants to sue anyone at all, happens all the time, a no ne?
The thing we need to get together is who would allow an unestablished number of people on their property, playing with fire, with a large fuel source. That is the first concern. Then to look at independent fuel sources, what we had thought was to simply back up the truck and let everyone pay for their own dunk, but then who is liable when a set of poi gets passed to someone who hasn't done them before and that person gets hurt? See? There are issues to all of the options. They really need to be worked out.

quote:
surely this would be unfortunately exclusionary, especially in the spirit of a gathering of pyros as pyros as fire arts performers in particular?
Not really. If you read through the information of what we are hoping to do there is plenty of time for everyone to spin. We would like the convention to span over a few days.
If people arrive early we would like to have a list available of stuff for them to do, possibly with other HoPpers to act as bonding, fun times.
One of the days we would like to have a Home Of Poi picnic with bbq and games and such.
The actual convention we would like open to the public with workshops, performers and vendors. Because of this, because of the open to the public thing, we did not want people to just light up at random. It is way too dangerous for that. So we thought it best to restrict the more "business" end of this to the day time hours of the convention.
At night we would like to have parties where everyone interested can get together, spin, hang, whatever.

There is plenty of opportunity for all to do what they will here.

Also, *Warning: Shameless plug to follow* I would like to remind everyone to check out the T-shirts for sale through CafePress on this site. Proceeds from this will go to help fund the gathering!

Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK


MikeGinnyGOLD Member
HOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA


Posted:
So, Pele, I'm actually looking into getting liability insurance. Does yours cover international performances?

-Mike

Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella



A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura


FireMikeZLaguna dude
1,438 posts
Location: Laguna, California, US


Posted:
ah, MikeGinny, good wrinkle to handle.

Pele, since da crowd changes increasingly quickly i expect, over time here, as rate of new members increases too, glad you're moving this project forward.

where's the convention plans, please?

~ Mikie

molten cheers,

~ FireMike

FireMikeZ@yahoo.com (personal messages welcome, no promo spam, please!)
Laguna, California, US


TheBovrilMonkeySILVER Member
Liquid Cow
2,629 posts
Location: High Wycombe, England


Posted:
I realise there's been a lot going on in people's lives recently, but are there any updates about the gathering?
I'm trying to work out what I'll be doing this time next year and if it's going to be on, then my plans are definately going to be worked out around it .

But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.


fluffy napalm fairyCarpal \'Tunnel
3,638 posts
Location: Brum / Dorset / Fairy Land


Posted:
*whispers very quietly in a little fairy sing song*

"guess who's going to be in NZ in 2004 with her beautiful fraggle and fiery toys?"

Geologists do it in the dirt................ spank


faery emBRONZE Member
fae
259 posts
Location: London, United Kingdom


Posted:
what month what month???

problem is i should be working in europe for the ski season 03-04 *wanders if its possible to have a week sick in which time go to the other side of the world*

warp children still smile the same

"when i left the mine i realised that the world was changing. or was it us who were changing?"


TheBovrilMonkeySILVER Member
Liquid Cow
2,629 posts
Location: High Wycombe, England


Posted:
As as I remember, it was planned for February.

I'll try and dig out the planning thread and have a look.

edit... this is the planning thread. It's got a whole load of stuff that's since changed at the beginning, but it might be worth a read.

[ 15. January 2003, 04:40: Message edited by: TheBovrilMonkey ]

But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.


PukSILVER Member
Sweet talented nutter
2,615 posts
Location: Brisbane Oz, Australia


Posted:
I just want to know how we are going to bring our gear oversea's. Cause of flying at the moment your not even allowed let to bring a unlit staff or anything .

that shrewd and knavish sprite

Called Robin Good Fellow ; are you not he that is frighten of the maidens of the villagery - fairy

I am the merry wander of the night -puk


DomBRONZE Member
Carpal \'Tunnel
3,009 posts
Location: Bristol, UK


Posted:
So far I've had no problem travelling with fire gear. Just apply common sense.

PukSILVER Member
Sweet talented nutter
2,615 posts
Location: Brisbane Oz, Australia


Posted:
Dom i've had trouble's going just from Brisbane to Sydney with unlit wick's that are covered.

that shrewd and knavish sprite

Called Robin Good Fellow ; are you not he that is frighten of the maidens of the villagery - fairy

I am the merry wander of the night -puk


Gravity GirlBRONZE Member
member
13 posts
Location: Wanganui, New Zealand


Posted:
Sounds wicked!

I'm planning on cruising home for a good old kiwi summer around that time anyhoo. Should be pretty easy to get my ass down to the South Island in time for it - hooray!

If anyone is worried about funding their trip, getting there is the most expensive thing. You can travel around NZ on the cheap quite easily and remember for all youse earning pounds - the exchange rate will certainly work in your favour.

Always take time to smell the flowers.


PukSILVER Member
Sweet talented nutter
2,615 posts
Location: Brisbane Oz, Australia


Posted:
Do it should be great!.

that shrewd and knavish sprite

Called Robin Good Fellow ; are you not he that is frighten of the maidens of the villagery - fairy

I am the merry wander of the night -puk


vanizeSILVER Member
Carpal \'Tunnel
3,899 posts
Location: Austin, Texas, USA


Posted:
If you do make the gathering in February of 2004, please please please make it late february (or even better, March) so I can come!

-v-

Wiederstand ist Zwecklos!


PukSILVER Member
Sweet talented nutter
2,615 posts
Location: Brisbane Oz, Australia


Posted:
Come on !! . Is this event going to happen ?. Is there anything i can do ?. Pele email me if you want cause im sure there is a couple of things that need doing .

You have the backbone of people interested we need a time set in New Zealand !.

that shrewd and knavish sprite

Called Robin Good Fellow ; are you not he that is frighten of the maidens of the villagery - fairy

I am the merry wander of the night -puk


Toreador VampBRONZE Member
member
70 posts
Location: Auckland, New Zealand


Posted:
Ok having scanned down both threads I don't see a date. Feb 2004 seams to have been kicked around but has anyone actually arranged a date for us to work to. Will be in NZ late OCt early Nov this year and hopefully again early next year(just got to sort a job out)

Give a man a fire, and he's warm for a day. Set him on fire, and he's warm for the rest of his life
-- Terry Pratchett-Jingo

Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it.


sambomember
18 posts
Location: Wales


Posted:
Cant ....take ...it ..anymore..........

tell................

us............

the.............

date..........

PRETTY PLEASE!

Lives to plan, trouble to cause n things to burn, you know how it is.

Ta
Sx

PukSILVER Member
Sweet talented nutter
2,615 posts
Location: Brisbane Oz, Australia


Posted:
Poor pele she's under soo much pressure from us for a date ing feburary .

that shrewd and knavish sprite

Called Robin Good Fellow ; are you not he that is frighten of the maidens of the villagery - fairy

I am the merry wander of the night -puk


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