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79 posts
Location: Vancouver BC Canada
79 posts
Location: Vancouver BC Canada
Posted:
Lars Bruheim AKA Lev the Lion here.
I'm a firedance philosopher, I do digital editing and all around self improvement. I'm a first year spinner and I've pegged myself as a conceptualizer and graphic visualizer, so I'm starting to do sketches of the patterns splayed out on paper, which when I showed some of them to Alien Jon while he was teaching me, suggested HomeOfPoi.
I'm 20 (Leo/Fire/Sun/Dragon), grew up in Vic and am now living in Van.
(BC/Canada)
I practice poi with wool socks with silicone stress balls in them for extremely new moves and usually use glowpoi/colecord/swivels/custom handles to work on moves ones I've broken them in, and metal poi once I've mastered them.
I spin to Shiva Shidapu and Ekoplex but I'd appreciate some input for what you guys like.
Marmite, Vegemite, or Nutella?
Vegemite =P
Lars Bruheim AKA Lev the Lion here.
I'm a firedance philosopher, I do digital editing and all around self improvement. I'm a first year spinner and I've pegged myself as a conceptualizer and graphic visualizer, so I'm starting to do sketches of the patterns splayed out on paper, which when I showed some of them to Alien Jon while he was teaching me, suggested HomeOfPoi.
I'm 20 (Leo/Fire/Sun/Dragon), grew up in Vic and am now living in Van.
(BC/Canada)
I practice poi with wool socks with silicone stress balls in them for extremely new moves and usually use glowpoi/colecord/swivels/custom handles to work on moves ones I've broken them in, and metal poi once I've mastered them.
I spin to Shiva Shidapu and Ekoplex but I'd appreciate some input for what you guys like.
Marmite, Vegemite, or Nutella?
Vegemite =P
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nut.
756 posts
Location: Bouncing off the walls., England (UK)
nut.
756 posts
Location: Bouncing off the walls., England (UK)
Posted:
Hiya, welcome to HoP!
I'm curious what you mean by 'metal poi'.. are we talking like morningstars here?
Sounds a bit hardcore anyway
Hiya, welcome to HoP!
I'm curious what you mean by 'metal poi'.. are we talking like morningstars here?
Sounds a bit hardcore anyway
THE MEEK WILL INHERIT THE EARTH!
If that's okay with you?
Firedance Philosopher
79 posts
Location: Vancouver BC Canada
79 posts
Location: Vancouver BC Canada
Posted:
A friend of mine, Kyle Tay, uses metal rings to create specific chain mail weights meant to diffuse and deflect energy when it hits the body, so they have the look and feel of actual metal weights but do not do the body any harm.
We've been working on designs for about 5 months now and have 5 prototypes, 3 are working models available that have unique weights, deflection types and balances, tethers and metals for each.
A friend of mine, Kyle Tay, uses metal rings to create specific chain mail weights meant to diffuse and deflect energy when it hits the body, so they have the look and feel of actual metal weights but do not do the body any harm.
We've been working on designs for about 5 months now and have 5 prototypes, 3 are working models available that have unique weights, deflection types and balances, tethers and metals for each.
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Mr. IWantYouToGetDown
86 posts
Location: Ohio, USA
Mr. IWantYouToGetDown
86 posts
Location: Ohio, USA
Posted:
Welcome to HoP...so far I have had a very fun time here.
As far as music would go that I like to spin to, gotta go with...
Shpongle and/or Hallucinogen
DJ Endo
Papadosio
Sound Tribe Sector 9
The New Deal
Just some of my favorites...I don't really know how much you like or know about some of them but there ya go.
Welcome to HoP...so far I have had a very fun time here.
As far as music would go that I like to spin to, gotta go with...
Shpongle and/or Hallucinogen
DJ Endo
Papadosio
Sound Tribe Sector 9
The New Deal
Just some of my favorites...I don't really know how much you like or know about some of them but there ya go.
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nut.
756 posts
Location: Bouncing off the walls., England (UK)
nut.
756 posts
Location: Bouncing off the walls., England (UK)
Posted:
Hmm, sounds intriguing.. could always put a few pictures up
Re: the music choices, I don't have any real preferences (I don't have any music, come to that..)
Hmm, sounds intriguing.. could always put a few pictures up
Re: the music choices, I don't have any real preferences (I don't have any music, come to that..)
THE MEEK WILL INHERIT THE EARTH!
If that's okay with you?
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Mr. IWantYouToGetDown
86 posts
Location: Ohio, USA
Mr. IWantYouToGetDown
86 posts
Location: Ohio, USA
Posted:
RJD2 is another one that I like, he is a local DJ from Columbus
RJD2 is another one that I like, he is a local DJ from Columbus
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Rampant whirler.
2,418 posts
Location: Geelong, Victoria, Australia!
Rampant whirler.
2,418 posts
Location: Geelong, Victoria, Australia!
Posted:
Welcome to the forum! Feel free to ask LOTS of questions, I enjoy answering them, makes me think, sometimes.
I'd love to see a photo of these "metal poi" you've got me intrigued.
Welcome to the forum! Feel free to ask LOTS of questions, I enjoy answering them, makes me think, sometimes.
I'd love to see a photo of these "metal poi" you've got me intrigued.
Firedance Philosopher
79 posts
Location: Vancouver BC Canada
79 posts
Location: Vancouver BC Canada
Posted:
I'll try to plan a photoshoot this month, thanks =]
I'll try to plan a photoshoot this month, thanks =]
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Unofficial Chairperson of Squirrel Defense League
4,061 posts
Location: South Africa
Unofficial Chairperson of Squirrel Defense League
4,061 posts
Location: South Africa
Posted:
Awesome.
I suppose calling them "shiny" is not too far off?
And welcome!
Awesome.
I suppose calling them "shiny" is not too far off?
And welcome!
'We're all mad here. I'm mad, you're mad." [said the Cat.]
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "Or you wouldn't have come here."
- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures In Wonderland
Firedance Philosopher
79 posts
Location: Vancouver BC Canada
79 posts
Location: Vancouver BC Canada
Posted:
Our lightest model is made of Aluminum.
With the aluminum weights/chains after spinning for a while uses the constant air flow to oxidize, but I haven't spun metal (for several hours) since I started using my sock/glow combo to hit the waves of new waters.
What aluminum oxide is, is a black sooty material that forms on the aluminum, making them look a little more matte but it's pretty much invisible and looks like the lighting on them has changed.
What I know about it, is that aluminum oxide is an industrial abrasive and that it stains your hands if you hold the metal bits long enough for them to rub against your skin after spinning, but it also slowly comes off into whatever you carry it in so any aluminum-based poi will eventually polish themselves in any cloth material that has enough room for them to rub. [Black/Removable handles would be a good idea.]
The other weights (after discovering aluminum oxide buildup are all made of steel, varied with Spring Steel, Stainless Steel and Galvanized Steel.
These weight vary from 200g-550g, the latter being very heavy but not unwieldy.
EDITED_BY: Lev (1232676572)
Our lightest model is made of Aluminum.
With the aluminum weights/chains after spinning for a while uses the constant air flow to oxidize, but I haven't spun metal (for several hours) since I started using my sock/glow combo to hit the waves of new waters.
What aluminum oxide is, is a black sooty material that forms on the aluminum, making them look a little more matte but it's pretty much invisible and looks like the lighting on them has changed.
What I know about it, is that aluminum oxide is an industrial abrasive and that it stains your hands if you hold the metal bits long enough for them to rub against your skin after spinning, but it also slowly comes off into whatever you carry it in so any aluminum-based poi will eventually polish themselves in any cloth material that has enough room for them to rub. [Black/Removable handles would be a good idea.]
The other weights (after discovering aluminum oxide buildup are all made of steel, varied with Spring Steel, Stainless Steel and Galvanized Steel.
These weight vary from 200g-550g, the latter being very heavy but not unwieldy.
EDITED_BY: Lev (1232676572)
Firedance Philosopher
79 posts
Location: Vancouver BC Canada
79 posts
Location: Vancouver BC Canada
Posted:
Just a heads up, these are the projects I've been currently working on:
Tandem throw: Poi technique of switching poi on the fly (Practicing with David Yates and others)
Throw breakdown: Technique to poi throwing, the factors involved, what you can do with it, and how to modify poi to better do what you want considering all of these factors (there are a lot of them).
A cross between club, poi and firesword. This is probably the most ridiculous project I've ever worked on, but it's looking like it will work out. (4 fireswords, poi style, handle is club which has a firesword on it, the club emulates the handle.
Just a heads up, these are the projects I've been currently working on:
Tandem throw: Poi technique of switching poi on the fly (Practicing with David Yates and others)
Throw breakdown: Technique to poi throwing, the factors involved, what you can do with it, and how to modify poi to better do what you want considering all of these factors (there are a lot of them).
A cross between club, poi and firesword. This is probably the most ridiculous project I've ever worked on, but it's looking like it will work out. (4 fireswords, poi style, handle is club which has a firesword on it, the club emulates the handle.
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Mr. IWantYouToGetDown
86 posts
Location: Ohio, USA
Mr. IWantYouToGetDown
86 posts
Location: Ohio, USA
Posted:
The last project sounds absolutely out of control Lev! For sure let us know how that works out.
The last project sounds absolutely out of control Lev! For sure let us know how that works out.
Firedance Philosopher
79 posts
Location: Vancouver BC Canada
79 posts
Location: Vancouver BC Canada
Posted:
Of course =]
Mind you it might take a while, prices for research and materials to play around with exceed my funds right now many fold, so to buy bulk, custom construction and deconstruction again and again by budget will take time no matter how you look at it.
Also, thanks again for the shpongle, it's lovely music.
EDITED_BY: Lev (1233070515)
Of course =]
Mind you it might take a while, prices for research and materials to play around with exceed my funds right now many fold, so to buy bulk, custom construction and deconstruction again and again by budget will take time no matter how you look at it.
Also, thanks again for the shpongle, it's lovely music.
EDITED_BY: Lev (1233070515)
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Mr. IWantYouToGetDown
86 posts
Location: Ohio, USA
Mr. IWantYouToGetDown
86 posts
Location: Ohio, USA
Posted:
It is absolutely beautiful music isn't it?
It is absolutely beautiful music isn't it?
Firedance Philosopher
79 posts
Location: Vancouver BC Canada
79 posts
Location: Vancouver BC Canada
Posted:
Yup <3
Yup <3
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Rampant whirler.
2,418 posts
Location: Geelong, Victoria, Australia!
Rampant whirler.
2,418 posts
Location: Geelong, Victoria, Australia!
Posted:
Originally Posted By: LevI'm a first year spinner and I've pegged myself as a conceptualizer and graphic visualizer, so I'm starting to do sketches of the patterns splayed out on paper, which when I showed some of them to Alien Jon while he was teaching me, suggested HomeOfPoi.
As soon as I read this I went to check your gallery...
I'd love to see them, Poi!
Originally Posted By: LevI'm a first year spinner and I've pegged myself as a conceptualizer and graphic visualizer, so I'm starting to do sketches of the patterns splayed out on paper, which when I showed some of them to Alien Jon while he was teaching me, suggested HomeOfPoi.
As soon as I read this I went to check your gallery...
I'd love to see them, Poi!
Firedance Philosopher
79 posts
Location: Vancouver BC Canada
79 posts
Location: Vancouver BC Canada
Posted:
Haha alright, I'll be sure to refine them and post them up.
A lot of them are, well they are overlapping each other so some look like big messes of knots but are really just 2-5 different examples of patterns overlaying each other when explaining things to other people on paper.
Haha alright, I'll be sure to refine them and post them up.
A lot of them are, well they are overlapping each other so some look like big messes of knots but are really just 2-5 different examples of patterns overlaying each other when explaining things to other people on paper.
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Unofficial Chairperson of Squirrel Defense League
4,061 posts
Location: South Africa
Unofficial Chairperson of Squirrel Defense League
4,061 posts
Location: South Africa
Posted:
That project sounds... lethal?
Hmmm.... I like the sound of the metal ones though. Interesting....
That project sounds... lethal?
Hmmm.... I like the sound of the metal ones though. Interesting....
'We're all mad here. I'm mad, you're mad." [said the Cat.]
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "Or you wouldn't have come here."
- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures In Wonderland
Firedance Philosopher
79 posts
Location: Vancouver BC Canada
79 posts
Location: Vancouver BC Canada
Posted:
Just for a really simple really quick tip to you guys out there, does anyone know the trick with dying your tether at the 1/2 poi length mark to hit isolations better?
Here's sorta the same idea, weigh your poi weight and tether to calculate the weight balance ratio (or do a neutral point throw and guess) to find the exact balance center of the poi.
For instance, my simple sockpoi with silicone orbs in them:
80g silicone orb, 15g sock, and seeing as the poi is in the sock that further tilts the balance towards the weight, making the balance point roughly 4/5 down the PL, which means that's my point of balance.
Why is this important? It's because during a poi throw that's the central point in your circle, like the middle of the PL is your central point in a basic isolation, and with that you can basically figure out how to do precision throws because you can work on getting that point to go in a straight line, arc, or a X axis neutral motion.
Well, it's a little bit of a cheat... but there are no rules =]
I'll be expanding on this, as well as how flattening your circular handling increases the pop of a throw and some more cool stuff.
Enjoy!
EDITED_BY: Lev (1233118611)
Just for a really simple really quick tip to you guys out there, does anyone know the trick with dying your tether at the 1/2 poi length mark to hit isolations better?
Here's sorta the same idea, weigh your poi weight and tether to calculate the weight balance ratio (or do a neutral point throw and guess) to find the exact balance center of the poi.
For instance, my simple sockpoi with silicone orbs in them:
80g silicone orb, 15g sock, and seeing as the poi is in the sock that further tilts the balance towards the weight, making the balance point roughly 4/5 down the PL, which means that's my point of balance.
Why is this important? It's because during a poi throw that's the central point in your circle, like the middle of the PL is your central point in a basic isolation, and with that you can basically figure out how to do precision throws because you can work on getting that point to go in a straight line, arc, or a X axis neutral motion.
Well, it's a little bit of a cheat... but there are no rules =]
I'll be expanding on this, as well as how flattening your circular handling increases the pop of a throw and some more cool stuff.
Enjoy!
EDITED_BY: Lev (1233118611)
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Mr. IWantYouToGetDown
86 posts
Location: Ohio, USA
Mr. IWantYouToGetDown
86 posts
Location: Ohio, USA
Posted:
Thanks dude...found that pretty helpful. Think I'm gonna bust out the socks right now and perhaps give it a try.
Thanks dude...found that pretty helpful. Think I'm gonna bust out the socks right now and perhaps give it a try.
Firedance Philosopher
79 posts
Location: Vancouver BC Canada
79 posts
Location: Vancouver BC Canada
Posted:
Second tip!
Think of throws like stalls that spin, where you catch it is basically just an altered version of a stall in the direction it's facing when you catch it.
Of course you can stall or spin 360 degrees, but try out both vertical and the horizontal stalls you are familiar with and attribute it to throws when you connect (at catch) at that angle.
Enjoy.
Second tip!
Think of throws like stalls that spin, where you catch it is basically just an altered version of a stall in the direction it's facing when you catch it.
Of course you can stall or spin 360 degrees, but try out both vertical and the horizontal stalls you are familiar with and attribute it to throws when you connect (at catch) at that angle.
Enjoy.
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Unofficial Chairperson of Squirrel Defense League
4,061 posts
Location: South Africa
Unofficial Chairperson of Squirrel Defense League
4,061 posts
Location: South Africa
Posted:
Considered visiting the tech section? .grinne.
Once the rain stops, will give it a whirl though.
Considered visiting the tech section? .grinne.
Once the rain stops, will give it a whirl though.
'We're all mad here. I'm mad, you're mad." [said the Cat.]
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "Or you wouldn't have come here."
- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures In Wonderland
Firedance Philosopher
79 posts
Location: Vancouver BC Canada
79 posts
Location: Vancouver BC Canada
Posted:
I've stopped working on throws for a bit after discovering a new type of movement with poi I'm really excited about seeing as it's so simple but I've never seen it done before, once I play around with it I'll get back to you.
I've stopped working on throws for a bit after discovering a new type of movement with poi I'm really excited about seeing as it's so simple but I've never seen it done before, once I play around with it I'll get back to you.
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Unofficial Chairperson of Squirrel Defense League
4,061 posts
Location: South Africa
Unofficial Chairperson of Squirrel Defense League
4,061 posts
Location: South Africa
Posted:
Give us a name at least!
But yeah, looking forward to hearing about it, new ideas are shiny....
Give us a name at least!
But yeah, looking forward to hearing about it, new ideas are shiny....
'We're all mad here. I'm mad, you're mad." [said the Cat.]
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "Or you wouldn't have come here."
- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures In Wonderland
Firedance Philosopher
79 posts
Location: Vancouver BC Canada
79 posts
Location: Vancouver BC Canada
Posted:
Sorry life's gotten a bit interesting =]
Anyway, it works with something I call sky plane which is any orthodox plane which has a hand position that goes significantly higher than high reel hand position, so much so that the arm has room to cross over-top the head.
Now there's 2 types of sky reels I've found so far, both are fine and both look fluid in their own way.
First one let's call Sky Reel 1 and second one let's call Folding Sky Reel (for now anyway. I'm a big fan of consensus labeling... well as long as it ends up getting a name =]).
Sky reel 1 is non-symmetrical as there's not enough room for both hands to do it at the same, but there is room to do it split-time.
Folding sky reel can be done symmetrically. As it has the same hand position as angel wings AKA [FW/BTH] butterfly alternations.
I'll expand on this later, putting walls on a move only tend to leave rubble when you break them down in the 30 mins of experimentation after... I'll try and get a video up though. <3
Edit-
Alien Jon sent me this video, at about 0:20 he does something like the move I think, it's hard to tell.
EDITED_BY: Lev (1234898579)
Sorry life's gotten a bit interesting =]
Anyway, it works with something I call sky plane which is any orthodox plane which has a hand position that goes significantly higher than high reel hand position, so much so that the arm has room to cross over-top the head.
Now there's 2 types of sky reels I've found so far, both are fine and both look fluid in their own way.
First one let's call Sky Reel 1 and second one let's call Folding Sky Reel (for now anyway. I'm a big fan of consensus labeling... well as long as it ends up getting a name =]).
Sky reel 1 is non-symmetrical as there's not enough room for both hands to do it at the same, but there is room to do it split-time.
Folding sky reel can be done symmetrically. As it has the same hand position as angel wings AKA [FW/BTH] butterfly alternations.
I'll expand on this later, putting walls on a move only tend to leave rubble when you break them down in the 30 mins of experimentation after... I'll try and get a video up though. <3
Edit-
Alien Jon sent me this video, at about 0:20 he does something like the move I think, it's hard to tell.
EDITED_BY: Lev (1234898579)
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Lost in the Lights
101 posts
Location: BC, Canada
Lost in the Lights
101 posts
Location: BC, Canada
Posted:
Glad to see someone else from BC, Canada. =P I'm from Surrey. Good luck on those metal poi.
Glad to see someone else from BC, Canada. =P I'm from Surrey. Good luck on those metal poi.
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Unofficial Chairperson of Squirrel Defense League
4,061 posts
Location: South Africa
Unofficial Chairperson of Squirrel Defense League
4,061 posts
Location: South Africa
Posted:
Lev: Interesting concept.
So they are just reels done above the head?
Lev: Interesting concept.
So they are just reels done above the head?
'We're all mad here. I'm mad, you're mad." [said the Cat.]
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "Or you wouldn't have come here."
- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures In Wonderland
Firedance Philosopher
79 posts
Location: Vancouver BC Canada
79 posts
Location: Vancouver BC Canada
Posted:
Thanks Regal =]
Kind of, you can use Skyreel 1 like that, where as skyreel folding is kind of like angelwings but instead of wallplane butterfly alternations you can do cross swing inversions or go straight from normal swing sametime to crosshands hands by doing a 180 while the poi swing over your head (haven't gotten this one "really working" yet).
Thanks Regal =]
Kind of, you can use Skyreel 1 like that, where as skyreel folding is kind of like angelwings but instead of wallplane butterfly alternations you can do cross swing inversions or go straight from normal swing sametime to crosshands hands by doing a 180 while the poi swing over your head (haven't gotten this one "really working" yet).
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