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Troupe Leader and founder, Fire and Steel
241 posts
Location: Oregon, USA
Posted:
given that i have posted a few topics here, i thought it was time to share something: (and for the record, i no longer give a damn. sharing information or a view or an opinion too often has turned into a pissing match for me to care anymore.)
i have had an epiphany: if you post something in the HoP social discussion forum, get ready for a pissing match. at least if you're like me, and don't put your entire performance(spinning, practice, whatever) history in each post. there will be two, maybe three people with helpful input or insight, and the rest will nitpick you, or be contrary for the sake of being contrary...not even a legitimate debate. just try posting something about fire breathing, and you'll get my point. one or two will have some useful input, and the rest will either say, "don't do it!" or state the same thing found every time you click the link that fire breathing automatically becomes every time you type it. to be honest, i am about sick of the people who say that.
i am also sick of having things read into what i say, such as emotions...(like can you tell i am laughing as i type this? even with an emoticon, would you believe me?) and if you are one of these persons who does, too bad. try asking me what my tone is, rather than assuming.
but this thread is going to degenerate into the exact same pissing match as so many others have become in the past, isn't it?
which proves to the positive that it doesn't really matter what you say or post here, it all degenerates into a gripe/nitpicking fest.
given that i have posted a few topics here, i thought it was time to share something: (and for the record, i no longer give a damn. sharing information or a view or an opinion too often has turned into a pissing match for me to care anymore.)
i have had an epiphany: if you post something in the HoP social discussion forum, get ready for a pissing match. at least if you're like me, and don't put your entire performance(spinning, practice, whatever) history in each post. there will be two, maybe three people with helpful input or insight, and the rest will nitpick you, or be contrary for the sake of being contrary...not even a legitimate debate. just try posting something about fire breathing, and you'll get my point. one or two will have some useful input, and the rest will either say, "don't do it!" or state the same thing found every time you click the link that fire breathing automatically becomes every time you type it. to be honest, i am about sick of the people who say that.
i am also sick of having things read into what i say, such as emotions...(like can you tell i am laughing as i type this? even with an emoticon, would you believe me?) and if you are one of these persons who does, too bad. try asking me what my tone is, rather than assuming.
but this thread is going to degenerate into the exact same pissing match as so many others have become in the past, isn't it?
which proves to the positive that it doesn't really matter what you say or post here, it all degenerates into a gripe/nitpicking fest.
Frederick the Reckless,
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Fire and Steel
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Posted:
So uh....
People shouldn't have different opinions? I thought that what a discussion was.... opinions and stuff.
Or am I just being contrary for the sake of it?
So uh....
People shouldn't have different opinions? I thought that what a discussion was.... opinions and stuff.
Or am I just being contrary for the sake of it?
The existance of flamethrowers says that someone, somewhere, at sometime said "I need to set that thing on fire, but it's too far away."
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Posted:
If you really think like that, Why bother to post?
Why not explain your context more clearly?
It seems this thread is just trying to aggravate people.
*notifies Mods*
If you really think like that, Why bother to post?
Why not explain your context more clearly?
It seems this thread is just trying to aggravate people.
*notifies Mods*
Empty your mind. Be formless, Shapeless, like Water.
Put Water into a cup, it becomes the cup, put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, put water into a teapot, it becomes the teapot.
Water can flow, or it can Crash.
Be Water My Friend.
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Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay, United Kingdom
Posted:
good post frederick
positive and informative.
not challenging or inflammatory at all.
and i'm glad you avoided blanket statements and huge generalisations.
i think you could do with one of these:
cole. x
good post frederick
positive and informative.
not challenging or inflammatory at all.
and i'm glad you avoided blanket statements and huge generalisations.
i think you could do with one of these:
cole. x
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i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
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Posted:
Post before lock?
*hipthrust*
Post before lock?
*hipthrust*
The existance of flamethrowers says that someone, somewhere, at sometime said "I need to set that thing on fire, but it's too far away."
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Posted:
Not sure how the mods are gonna take this one, so not sure if it will be locked or not...
But anyway... *Watches FRD hip thrusts*
Not sure how the mods are gonna take this one, so not sure if it will be locked or not...
But anyway... *Watches FRD hip thrusts*
Empty your mind. Be formless, Shapeless, like Water.
Put Water into a cup, it becomes the cup, put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, put water into a teapot, it becomes the teapot.
Water can flow, or it can Crash.
Be Water My Friend.
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Troupe Leader and founder, Fire and Steel
241 posts
Location: Oregon, USA
Troupe Leader and founder, Fire and Steel
241 posts
Location: Oregon, USA
Posted:
"there will be two, maybe three people with helpful input or insight, and the rest will nitpick you, or be contrary for the sake of being contrary...not even a legitimate debate"
this means that one or two will offer some insight or legitimate debate (that is to say that they actually have a difference in opinion and are clear why, and it is not just to say they disagree) and the rest will read things into your post, take things out of context, etc to get a rise out of you. why did i bother to post? because i couldn't go without saying it anymore. it has happened too many times. this forum follows a pattern: someone posts, someone jumps to a conclusion, someone may have insight but is ignored by all but the initial poster, and the rest of the thread is the poster trying to explain several times in the same language that the conclusion jumped to by the second person is not what they are saying. or things get taken out of context and used to try to convey a meaning other than what the poster intended, but the rest of the formula is the same.
Written by: Long_Time_Coming
If you really think like that, Why bother to post?
Why not explain your context more clearly?
It seems this thread is just trying to aggravate people.
*notifies Mods*
"there will be two, maybe three people with helpful input or insight, and the rest will nitpick you, or be contrary for the sake of being contrary...not even a legitimate debate"
this means that one or two will offer some insight or legitimate debate (that is to say that they actually have a difference in opinion and are clear why, and it is not just to say they disagree) and the rest will read things into your post, take things out of context, etc to get a rise out of you. why did i bother to post? because i couldn't go without saying it anymore. it has happened too many times. this forum follows a pattern: someone posts, someone jumps to a conclusion, someone may have insight but is ignored by all but the initial poster, and the rest of the thread is the poster trying to explain several times in the same language that the conclusion jumped to by the second person is not what they are saying. or things get taken out of context and used to try to convey a meaning other than what the poster intended, but the rest of the formula is the same.
Frederick the Reckless,
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Posted:
Basically, you're annoyed that people disagreed with something you said that's objective anyway?
Basically, you're annoyed that people disagreed with something you said that's objective anyway?
The existance of flamethrowers says that someone, somewhere, at sometime said "I need to set that thing on fire, but it's too far away."
BRONZE Member
Troupe Leader and founder, Fire and Steel
241 posts
Location: Oregon, USA
Troupe Leader and founder, Fire and Steel
241 posts
Location: Oregon, USA
Posted:
the rest, don't. there is nothing objective about being a nitpicker or simply being contrary for the hell of it. if someone disagrees, they should at least explain why, don't you think?
Written by: Frederick the Reckless...
"there will be two, maybe three people with helpful input or insight, and the rest will nitpick you, or be contrary for the sake of being contrary...not even a legitimate debate"
this means that one or two will offer some insight or legitimate debate (that is to say that they actually have a difference in opinion and are clear why, and it is not just to say they disagree)
the rest, don't. there is nothing objective about being a nitpicker or simply being contrary for the hell of it. if someone disagrees, they should at least explain why, don't you think?
Frederick the Reckless,
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Fire and Steel
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Location: Southampton - Possibly..., United Kingdom
Posted:
whoa....thats a rant for sure - dude, chill out man
as for what you are saying - its a bit general, to someone not knowing these boards reading it - youve not backed yourself up at all, no links to relevant threads etc.....
I hear what your saying but if this is based on the MCP argument then
as for the fire breathing........ i think youl find that that attitude is taken on here because of the amount of newbies that find this site first when they first think....
Fire breatheing - that would be a cool thing to do!
I feel that the firebreathing opinion on this site is the right one based on it members who view all these posts, alot of which not being old enough to drink let alone putting flammable liquid in thier mouth.
I think its more a saftey point of view people take to avoid any accident.............. if you want a discussion with someone about firebreathing etc then use a pm, that way minors cant get hold of the informaion you are giving / discussing and misuse it.
**just read bovs post too, if its that thats botherd you dude, dont let it that not nitpicking, thats called british sarcasm**
whoa....thats a rant for sure - dude, chill out man
as for what you are saying - its a bit general, to someone not knowing these boards reading it - youve not backed yourself up at all, no links to relevant threads etc.....
I hear what your saying but if this is based on the MCP argument then
as for the fire breathing........ i think youl find that that attitude is taken on here because of the amount of newbies that find this site first when they first think....Fire breatheing - that would be a cool thing to do!
I feel that the firebreathing opinion on this site is the right one based on it members who view all these posts, alot of which not being old enough to drink let alone putting flammable liquid in thier mouth.
I think its more a saftey point of view people take to avoid any accident.............. if you want a discussion with someone about firebreathing etc then use a pm, that way minors cant get hold of the informaion you are giving / discussing and misuse it.
**just read bovs post too, if its that thats botherd you dude, dont let it that not nitpicking, thats called british sarcasm**
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Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland (UK)
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Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland (UK)
Posted:
:le sigh:
Everyone (including yourself, and me) is 'guilty' of posting without thinking about it - not reading over it three times and concentrating on what is being said - from time to time.
It leads to misunderstandings and what you describe as 'nit-picking' - which, more often than not, is just other people trying to understand what you're saying.
But that's because this a web forum on spinning. It's not all that important in the grand scheme of things (even though we all spend far too much time here).
Don't let yourself get frustrated with it Mr Frederick.
You'd like us all if you met us, honestly
:le sigh:
Everyone (including yourself, and me) is 'guilty' of posting without thinking about it - not reading over it three times and concentrating on what is being said - from time to time.
It leads to misunderstandings and what you describe as 'nit-picking' - which, more often than not, is just other people trying to understand what you're saying.
But that's because this a web forum on spinning. It's not all that important in the grand scheme of things (even though we all spend far too much time here).
Don't let yourself get frustrated with it Mr Frederick.
You'd like us all if you met us, honestly
Getting to the other side 
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Posted:
"...We don't stop playing because we get old, we get old because we stop playing......."
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Troupe Leader and founder, Fire and Steel
241 posts
Location: Oregon, USA
Troupe Leader and founder, Fire and Steel
241 posts
Location: Oregon, USA
Posted:
you know, i'm more than sure i would... the fact is that what people say doesn't always convey what they mean, and emotions are lost in translation, emoticon (graemlin) or not.
it's not just because of the MCP argument, by the way... it's something that has built up over the last year or so. when i read forums here, not just the ones i post in, it's always the same, ya know? look up sword swallowing here, or anything else controversial for the "don't do it!" barrages, when all the poster wants to know is where or how to find the information they request. take a look at any number of my "articles," as they are more like editorials than forum posts at any rate, and you might see where i feel as though i get attacked... and again, i am sure that the real meanings are lost in translation.
Written by: Firepoise
You'd like us all if you met us, honestly
you know, i'm more than sure i would... the fact is that what people say doesn't always convey what they mean, and emotions are lost in translation, emoticon (graemlin) or not.
it's not just because of the MCP argument, by the way... it's something that has built up over the last year or so. when i read forums here, not just the ones i post in, it's always the same, ya know? look up sword swallowing here, or anything else controversial for the "don't do it!" barrages, when all the poster wants to know is where or how to find the information they request. take a look at any number of my "articles," as they are more like editorials than forum posts at any rate, and you might see where i feel as though i get attacked... and again, i am sure that the real meanings are lost in translation.
Frederick the Reckless,
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Fire and Steel
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Still wiggling
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Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland (UK)
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Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland (UK)
Posted:
Hmmm.
Yes, but again, sometimes people don't take the time to read posts carefully... they don't have time or are rushed... and so maybe reply inappropriately.
At the same time, there are probably many other people who read your posts (and others) and take something good from them, but never reply.
And mcp is lovely, you don't want to fall out with her.
She's also one of the most caustically sarcastic and witty ladies I have met... so another reason why you don't want to fall out with her
Hmmm.
Yes, but again, sometimes people don't take the time to read posts carefully... they don't have time or are rushed... and so maybe reply inappropriately.
At the same time, there are probably many other people who read your posts (and others) and take something good from them, but never reply.
And mcp is lovely, you don't want to fall out with her.
She's also one of the most caustically sarcastic and witty ladies I have met... so another reason why you don't want to fall out with her
Getting to the other side
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Location: South Wales
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Location: South Wales
Posted:
"emotions are lost in translation, emoticon (graemlin) or not. "
"emotions are lost in translation, emoticon (graemlin) or not. "
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Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay, United Kingdom
big and good and broken
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Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay, United Kingdom
Posted:
aye, there's the rub...
i have not read all of your posts but that statement there sounds like you actually realise that you often post your opinions as facts - not as discussion topics but rather as statements that you invite people to agree with.
i have just reviewed the thread on 'professionals' and what you state their underlying performance attitude should be.
you don't seem to want to take note of any discussion that does not immediately relate directly to your main point - for example when meg tries to understand your attitude towards spinning (i.e. playing not practicing) in relation to your attitude towards performance, you got super-defensive, called her "bloody simple-minded" and dismissed her posts as off-topic.
it seems to me that you become extremely agressive when the thread is heading anywhere except in the direction of agreeing with your initial opinion.
that is not the nature of these discussion boards and i for one am glad that that is the case.
cole. x
Written by: Frederick the Reckless
take a look at any number of my "articles," as they are more like editorials than forum posts at any rate, and you might see where i feel as though i get attacked...
aye, there's the rub...
i have not read all of your posts but that statement there sounds like you actually realise that you often post your opinions as facts - not as discussion topics but rather as statements that you invite people to agree with.
i have just reviewed the thread on 'professionals' and what you state their underlying performance attitude should be.
you don't seem to want to take note of any discussion that does not immediately relate directly to your main point - for example when meg tries to understand your attitude towards spinning (i.e. playing not practicing) in relation to your attitude towards performance, you got super-defensive, called her "bloody simple-minded" and dismissed her posts as off-topic.
it seems to me that you become extremely agressive when the thread is heading anywhere except in the direction of agreeing with your initial opinion.
that is not the nature of these discussion boards and i for one am glad that that is the case.
cole. x
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i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
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Posted:
I think more posts should contain Cassetteboy quotes Cole...
I think more posts should contain Cassetteboy quotes Cole...
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Location: Preston, United Kingdom
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Location: Preston, United Kingdom
Posted:
Whos mcp, and whats 'the mpc thing'? Im curiouse now.
Oh I like this post, and its got a big point too it, well put fred. Hmm I dont tend to take what I read or write here seriously myself, and while it might seem like I do as soon as Im off the site im a different person and everythings forgotten. I might think someones a prick online, but ide be perfectly happy to meet and greet and get on with them in the real world, and omg yes! Peoples attitudes allways get lost in translation into electronic form. My ex aaaaallways used to take just about everything I ever text him in completly the wrong context :P
Hmm I will try my best to keep this in mind whenever I post, and at least for the first 3 days I'll be very controled in what I type. Hopefully his will be a web epiphony for me (if thats even the right word to use)
Whos mcp, and whats 'the mpc thing'? Im curiouse now.
Oh I like this post, and its got a big point too it, well put fred. Hmm I dont tend to take what I read or write here seriously myself, and while it might seem like I do as soon as Im off the site im a different person and everythings forgotten. I might think someones a prick online, but ide be perfectly happy to meet and greet and get on with them in the real world, and omg yes! Peoples attitudes allways get lost in translation into electronic form. My ex aaaaallways used to take just about everything I ever text him in completly the wrong context :P
Hmm I will try my best to keep this in mind whenever I post, and at least for the first 3 days I'll be very controled in what I type
. Hopefully his will be a web epiphony for me (if thats even the right word to use) Chief adviser to the Pharaoh, in one very snazzy mutli-coloured coat
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Troupe Leader and founder, Fire and Steel
241 posts
Location: Oregon, USA
Troupe Leader and founder, Fire and Steel
241 posts
Location: Oregon, USA
Posted:
no, when someone disagrees with me, that's fine. when someone redirects the topic, it bugs me a bit. the direction of the topic could have been agree or disagree, and still would have been on-topic. when it gets sidetracked to an argument on what it means to me when i am spinning alone or with friends but not in show, that is no longer about the initial topic. (and if you recall, i state that the word practice applies to my definition, but for you i'll clarify a bit more... "playing," "spinning on my own," and "spinning for the love of it," are all practice to me.) it is neither agreeing or disagreeing with my view on professional ettiquette, it is now about what i do on my own. tell me how that is not off-topic...?
and i do not post my opinions as facts. if i did, i wouldn't be posting them on a forum, now would i?
no, when someone disagrees with me, that's fine. when someone redirects the topic, it bugs me a bit. the direction of the topic could have been agree or disagree, and still would have been on-topic. when it gets sidetracked to an argument on what it means to me when i am spinning alone or with friends but not in show, that is no longer about the initial topic. (and if you recall, i state that the word practice applies to my definition, but for you i'll clarify a bit more... "playing," "spinning on my own," and "spinning for the love of it," are all practice to me.) it is neither agreeing or disagreeing with my view on professional ettiquette, it is now about what i do on my own. tell me how that is not off-topic...?
and i do not post my opinions as facts. if i did, i wouldn't be posting them on a forum, now would i?
Frederick the Reckless,
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Posted:
i thought i was quoting 'hamlet' (by that shakespeare bloke) but whatever
cole. x
Written by: UglyCowsOfFrance
I think more posts should contain Cassetteboy quotes Cole...
i thought i was quoting 'hamlet' (by that shakespeare bloke) but whatever
cole. x
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i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
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Location: Bristol UK
1 + 1 = 3
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Location: Bristol UK
Posted:
*agrees with Cole*
A discussion is simply that. Not one person raising a point, and many others simply agreeing with it. It's one person suggesting an opinion, and others providing reasons why they think that point is valid or invalid. Or even, chosing a topic, and have everyone express their opinions on the subject.
Otherwise you're just setting yourself up for a big fall, by putting across the opinion of yourself: 'I'm right and that's that'.
There is no right or wrong answer when it comes to discussions.
Also, if you feel that strongly about this site's attitude toward the more dangerous fire arts such as breathing/eating etc, why go on a one man crusade to try to change that? There are plenty of breathers on this forum who have no problem with this attitude, and continue to post regularly. Heck, even one of the moderators on this site is, or was (I can't remember which, Sorry, Pele) a fire breather. All I'm trying to say is, if you don't like it, and can't get used to it, and want to change this forum to suit you, why not find another forum to use that does exactly want you want? (I'm in no way saying 'go away, you're not wanted here', because everyone's opinion matters, and hell, I certainly don't have the right to do that).
(<-- this means that I don't mean any offence in this post, just putting my opinions across British Sarcasm is great! )
*agrees with Cole*
A discussion is simply that. Not one person raising a point, and many others simply agreeing with it. It's one person suggesting an opinion, and others providing reasons why they think that point is valid or invalid. Or even, chosing a topic, and have everyone express their opinions on the subject.
Otherwise you're just setting yourself up for a big fall, by putting across the opinion of yourself: 'I'm right and that's that'.
There is no right or wrong answer when it comes to discussions.
Also, if you feel that strongly about this site's attitude toward the more dangerous fire arts such as breathing/eating etc, why go on a one man crusade to try to change that? There are plenty of breathers on this forum who have no problem with this attitude, and continue to post regularly. Heck, even one of the moderators on this site is, or was (I can't remember which, Sorry, Pele) a fire breather. All I'm trying to say is, if you don't like it, and can't get used to it, and want to change this forum to suit you, why not find another forum to use that does exactly want you want? (I'm in no way saying 'go away, you're not wanted here', because everyone's opinion matters, and hell, I certainly don't have the right to do that).
(<-- this means that I don't mean any offence in this post, just putting my opinions across British Sarcasm is great! ) Empty your mind. Be formless, Shapeless, like Water.
Put Water into a cup, it becomes the cup, put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, put water into a teapot, it becomes the teapot.
Water can flow, or it can Crash.
Be Water My Friend.
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Location: vineyards, Vienna, Austria
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Location: vineyards, Vienna, Austria
Posted:
fred-
please dont get me wrong and i get the point u are trying to make (i think), BUT
you are taking this wayyyyyy to serious. I guess u have to live with the kind of replies u get. if u dont like it, u dont have to come here.
fred-
please dont get me wrong and i get the point u are trying to make (i think), BUT
you are taking this wayyyyyy to serious. I guess u have to live with the kind of replies u get. if u dont like it, u dont have to come here.
"is optimism in austria just a lack of information?"
-Alfred Dorfer
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Posted:
Isn't that what MCP said, but you decided to have a go at her for it?
Written by: Frederick the Reckless
(and if you recall, i state that the word practice applies to my definition, but for you i'll clarify a bit more... "playing," "spinning on my own," and "spinning for the love of it," are all practice to me.)
Isn't that what MCP said, but you decided to have a go at her for it?
Empty your mind. Be formless, Shapeless, like Water.
Put Water into a cup, it becomes the cup, put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, put water into a teapot, it becomes the teapot.
Water can flow, or it can Crash.
Be Water My Friend.
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Carpal \'Tunnel
3,964 posts
Location: Southampton - Possibly..., United Kingdom
Carpal \'Tunnel
3,964 posts
Location: Southampton - Possibly..., United Kingdom
Posted:
now now dude...we are over the mcp thing.....
go look in the thread - they are juggling poodles together like the best of friends
**goes out for a spin**
Shite!
**comes back inside, i forgot i was at work for a second**
man i spend too much time here
now now dude...we are over the mcp thing.....
go look in the thread - they are juggling poodles together like the best of friends
**goes out for a spin**
Shite!
**comes back inside, i forgot i was at work for a second**
man i spend too much time here
"...We don't stop playing because we get old, we get old because we stop playing......."
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Posted:
Frederick, I'm always open to talk about breathing, but I'm aware that I may not have much to say on it, because I have no-one to teach me first hand. I'm reluctant to "Experiment" with something so potentially lethal as fire breathing, regardless of how long I've been doing it. I also tend not to pay much attention to what people say about it online because the internet is 80% Porn, 19% Bull*hit and 1% Greatness that borders on the divine. This site is in the 1%.
That said, at the end of the day, it's just pixels on a screen. Anything else is what you attach to it, if you don't want to care, you don't have to. If you think it's really important you can do that too.
Basically, HoP seems to be one of the best online communities I've ever found, in terms of the friendliness, tolerance, politeness and humour of the people. I'd hate to see that change (And I was worried that it was, after some of the threads posted on here and Chat).
Basically, people are people, and we have a pretty good selection here.
Take it easy
Frederick, I'm always open to talk about breathing, but I'm aware that I may not have much to say on it, because I have no-one to teach me first hand. I'm reluctant to "Experiment" with something so potentially lethal as fire breathing, regardless of how long I've been doing it. I also tend not to pay much attention to what people say about it online because the internet is 80% Porn, 19% Bull*hit and 1% Greatness that borders on the divine. This site is in the 1%.
That said, at the end of the day, it's just pixels on a screen. Anything else is what you attach to it, if you don't want to care, you don't have to. If you think it's really important you can do that too.
Basically, HoP seems to be one of the best online communities I've ever found, in terms of the friendliness, tolerance, politeness and humour of the people. I'd hate to see that change (And I was worried that it was, after some of the threads posted on here and Chat).
Basically, people are people, and we have a pretty good selection here.
Take it easy
After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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Carpal \'Tunnel
3,252 posts
Location: sheffield, United Kingdom
Carpal \'Tunnel
3,252 posts
Location: sheffield, United Kingdom
Posted:
Frederick- people do misunderstand posts here, and they often miss the actual content of a post and instead react to what they want to think the poster was saying. I say this from considerable experience
However, things are better then they used to be, and the more it's brought up for discussion, the more progress is likely to be made in that direction.
And it is definitly a two-way-street; it is important to not react aggressivley when your post is misinterpreted, and also not to post provocativly.
I hope you'll take this as it's meant, as constructive, and hopefully, objective feedback.
Concerning your recent thread about 'professionals'- my opinion is that it was a disaster waiting to happen.
It was obvious from the 'tone' of your posting (and, much as you want to focus on pure 'content' the fact remains that many here pick up on tone) that there was a fair bit of ego in there).
At least one poster was, IMO, directly and overly offensive to you, and the correct thing to do there isn't to respond aggressively, but to use the 'notify mods' button.
People were 'poking' you, and by reacting by 'poking' them back, a cycle is set up. Arguably, some were only 'poking' you, because they felt 'poked' by your original posts.
So, I agree with you, that there is an issue with people adding stuff on to the actual 'content' of posts, but, for those of us who wish people to stick to the actual content of our posts, it is also very much our responsibility to go to lengths to ensure that we're not inadvertantly slippping in aggressive 'tone'.
Frederick- people do misunderstand posts here, and they often miss the actual content of a post and instead react to what they want to think the poster was saying. I say this from considerable experience
However, things are better then they used to be, and the more it's brought up for discussion, the more progress is likely to be made in that direction.
And it is definitly a two-way-street; it is important to not react aggressivley when your post is misinterpreted, and also not to post provocativly.
I hope you'll take this as it's meant, as constructive, and hopefully, objective feedback.
Concerning your recent thread about 'professionals'- my opinion is that it was a disaster waiting to happen.
It was obvious from the 'tone' of your posting (and, much as you want to focus on pure 'content' the fact remains that many here pick up on tone) that there was a fair bit of ego in there).
At least one poster was, IMO, directly and overly offensive to you, and the correct thing to do there isn't to respond aggressively, but to use the 'notify mods' button.
People were 'poking' you, and by reacting by 'poking' them back, a cycle is set up. Arguably, some were only 'poking' you, because they felt 'poked' by your original posts.
So, I agree with you, that there is an issue with people adding stuff on to the actual 'content' of posts, but, for those of us who wish people to stick to the actual content of our posts, it is also very much our responsibility to go to lengths to ensure that we're not inadvertantly slippping in aggressive 'tone'.
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But you can make the Bastard work for it."
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GOLD Member
Basu gasu bakuhatsu - because sometimes buses explode
1,584 posts
Location: Angels Landing, USA
Basu gasu bakuhatsu - because sometimes buses explode
1,584 posts
Location: Angels Landing, USA
Posted:
*smacks cole for being offtopic and then starts dancing all over this thread with him.
Frederick: It must really be a point of conflicting viewpoints or worldviews.
I'm speaking as a relative newbie to the forums (or am I not a newbie anymore? ). I haven't met many from HoP, but those I have met are cool: eager to teach and learn whatever they can.
There aren't really that many in the US, but Home of Poi is really a site full of juggling hippies, or if not "real" hippies, they certainly add a lot of fluffiness and hugs online.
Threads with angst or drama are almost immediately derailed into huggy threads full of e-kisses.
Often, with arguments stemming from differing views, differing views are required for anything/society to advance! Just about everyone on HoP has the same view though...
We like our poi and we like to have fun.
Some of us like staff and other toys too.
But on HoP, you don't see any elitism. You don't see "I CAN DO ANTI SPIN SO I AM SUPERIOR". You see a bunch of people eager to do what I said before, eager to teach and learn.
So perhaps HoP won't advance poi as we aren't fanatical poists; there are other sites for that. But what we do on Home of Poi is art.
Art can't be rushed. Either can the community as a whole...
In the mere 2 years I've been on her, HoP has jumped from 5000 to 25000 members. In all of that time, I'm glad that the community is stable enough to remain just that, a community!
Because I've seen entire forums with ideals go down the shithole due to conflicts, and entire web communities degenerate into egotistical e-penis battles.
Frederick, basically all I'm saying is what you're commenting on is part of the basic inherent nature of HoP, and the "degenerating into gripe/nitpicking fest" you're taking about is merely tough love manifesting itself online INSTEAD of real life. It's just something you get used to over time.
*smacks cole for being offtopic and then starts dancing all over this thread with him.
Frederick: It must really be a point of conflicting viewpoints or worldviews.
I'm speaking as a relative newbie to the forums (or am I not a newbie anymore?
). I haven't met many from HoP, but those I have met are cool: eager to teach and learn whatever they can. There aren't really that many in the US, but Home of Poi is really a site full of juggling hippies, or if not "real" hippies, they certainly add a lot of fluffiness and hugs online.
Threads with angst or drama are almost immediately derailed into huggy threads full of e-kisses.
Often, with arguments stemming from differing views, differing views are required for anything/society to advance! Just about everyone on HoP has the same view though...
We like our poi and we like to have fun.
Some of us like staff and other toys too.
But on HoP, you don't see any elitism. You don't see "I CAN DO ANTI SPIN SO I AM SUPERIOR". You see a bunch of people eager to do what I said before, eager to teach and learn.
So perhaps HoP won't advance poi as we aren't fanatical poists; there are other sites for that. But what we do on Home of Poi is art.
Art can't be rushed. Either can the community as a whole...
In the mere 2 years I've been on her, HoP has jumped from 5000 to 25000 members. In all of that time, I'm glad that the community is stable enough to remain just that, a community!
Because I've seen entire forums with ideals go down the shithole due to conflicts, and entire web communities degenerate into egotistical e-penis battles.
Frederick, basically all I'm saying is what you're commenting on is part of the basic inherent nature of HoP, and the "degenerating into gripe/nitpicking fest" you're taking about is merely tough love manifesting itself online INSTEAD of real life. It's just something you get used to over time.
To do: More Firedrums 08 video?
Wildfire/US East coast fire footage
LA/EDC glow/fire footage
Fresno fire
BRONZE Member
Troupe Leader and founder, Fire and Steel
241 posts
Location: Oregon, USA
Troupe Leader and founder, Fire and Steel
241 posts
Location: Oregon, USA
Posted:
Long Time Coming: again, i say that disagreeing is fine, so long as the disagreement is explained at least to a minimum, otherwise it's just contrariness for the sake of contrariness...
Long Time Coming: again, i say that disagreeing is fine, so long as the disagreement is explained at least to a minimum, otherwise it's just contrariness for the sake of contrariness...
Frederick the Reckless,
Troupe Leader,
Fire and Steel
SILVER Member
15,417 posts
Location: South Wales
15,417 posts
Location: South Wales
Posted:
no its not..
no its not..
BRONZE Member
Troupe Leader and founder, Fire and Steel
241 posts
Location: Oregon, USA
Troupe Leader and founder, Fire and Steel
241 posts
Location: Oregon, USA
Posted:
is too.
is too.
Frederick the Reckless,
Troupe Leader,
Fire and Steel
SILVER Member
15,417 posts
Location: South Wales
15,417 posts
Location: South Wales
Posted:
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