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Posted:
I'm going to start this off with a warning.
This is *NOT* for the faint of heart or stomachs.
It is quite graphic actually.
This is also *NOT* for extremely empathetic people, you will be beside yourself...seriously.
I've heard of this happening before. Here in the U.S. a few years ago a 10 yo boy was tried as an adult for the murder of one (possibly more) young children by hitting him in the head with a large rock. He did it because he was bored.
I thought that was appauling but this?
I am a constitutionally strong person, I can watch/read/take alot..and this got me.
Seriously, read it before deciding whether or not to watch the video.
A different write up on it
I've searched Snopes and a few other reality check sites. It seems, so far, this is real (I had/have my doubts, more I think to keep faith that no one would do such a thing).
Hoax or not, boredom?
Why couldn't they play a video game, watch a movie, read a book?
WTF????
I'm going to start this off with a warning.
This is *NOT* for the faint of heart or stomachs.
It is quite graphic actually.
This is also *NOT* for extremely empathetic people, you will be beside yourself...seriously.
I've heard of this happening before. Here in the U.S. a few years ago a 10 yo boy was tried as an adult for the murder of one (possibly more) young children by hitting him in the head with a large rock. He did it because he was bored.
I thought that was appauling but this?
I am a constitutionally strong person, I can watch/read/take alot..and this got me.
Seriously, read it before deciding whether or not to watch the video.
A different write up on it
I've searched Snopes and a few other reality check sites. It seems, so far, this is real (I had/have my doubts, more I think to keep faith that no one would do such a thing).
Hoax or not, boredom?
Why couldn't they play a video game, watch a movie, read a book?
WTF????
Pele
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Posted:
Eurgh. I've seen gifs of this flying around the net.
I saw the vid of Nick Berg and that has stuck with me to this day. The gifs I saw were horrible, and I'd rather not watch this one at all.
I'm unsure about the hoax, as I remember seeing youtube footage (so probably unreliable) of ukraine news footage about it.
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Eurgh. I've seen gifs of this flying around the net.
I saw the vid of Nick Berg and that has stuck with me to this day. The gifs I saw were horrible, and I'd rather not watch this one at all.
I'm unsure about the hoax, as I remember seeing youtube footage (so probably unreliable) of ukraine news footage about it.
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Well that was about the most disturbing thing I've ever seen.
I read the warnings.
I wonder how long these guys would have gone on for had they not been caught. These are the types of criminals law enforcement ( and the general population ) fear the most. A serial killer(s) acting completely at random so it's nigh on impossible to establish a pattern.
I wonder why the police are silent on the issue of just how they caught these guys. Speculation....the third guy, the one who had a "change of heart" went to the police and offered his evidence in exchange for a lighter sentence.
Well that was about the most disturbing thing I've ever seen.
I read the warnings.
I wonder how long these guys would have gone on for had they not been caught. These are the types of criminals law enforcement ( and the general population ) fear the most. A serial killer(s) acting completely at random so it's nigh on impossible to establish a pattern.
I wonder why the police are silent on the issue of just how they caught these guys. Speculation....the third guy, the one who had a "change of heart" went to the police and offered his evidence in exchange for a lighter sentence.
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Posted:
I read in one of the courtroom transcripts that he didn't have a change of heart with it Stout, that instead he got bored with it!
Can you imagine what he would have moved on to next?????
Again, that's "allegedly".
The entire thing is sooo tight lipped that it just goes to prove what enough money thrown at something can do.
I admit I know *very little* about the Russian legal system, but a friend who lived there told me that it is pretty corrupt. In this case, that is a really frightening prospect.
I am wondering how blind the parents have to be to believe that the boys are innocent, even with the photos and the footage. I'm a parent and I am not that blind!
I agree as well Stout with the "lack of pattern" fear. These guys did that even moreso. Dahmer, Gasey, etc, they all had something they looked at/for. There was at least a strand that tied the murders together.
This was so random. The current story is they picked up people by offering them rides. That makes me think of the few times I've accepted rides from strangers (I was young and stupid, yes I know) and my mind just reels.
I keep thinking over and over that it can't be real. REAL people don't do this.
I was thinking about this last night and I think that one of the reasons this is hitting (me) so hard is because it's unfiltered.
If I heard it on the news, I'd be disgusted and angry but it would be filtered. The other serial killers get books and made for TV movies, which again, change the perspective for us. As such, I was a bit desenstized because what I was given of it was wrapped up neatly by Hollywood or a NY Times Bestseller. While I know it really happened, somewhere in my head I still saw it as Hollywood and therefore not real.
This is unfiltered, messy and completely unwrapped. The back of my head keeps crying that it's a Blair Witch hoax thing, because it's looking for a justification that couldn't be really real.
But it is, and for once I think I wish I had a filtered version first.
Did that make any sense at all?
I read in one of the courtroom transcripts that he didn't have a change of heart with it Stout, that instead he got bored with it!
Can you imagine what he would have moved on to next?????
Again, that's "allegedly".
The entire thing is sooo tight lipped that it just goes to prove what enough money thrown at something can do.
I admit I know *very little* about the Russian legal system, but a friend who lived there told me that it is pretty corrupt. In this case, that is a really frightening prospect.
I am wondering how blind the parents have to be to believe that the boys are innocent, even with the photos and the footage. I'm a parent and I am not that blind!
I agree as well Stout with the "lack of pattern" fear. These guys did that even moreso. Dahmer, Gasey, etc, they all had something they looked at/for. There was at least a strand that tied the murders together.
This was so random. The current story is they picked up people by offering them rides. That makes me think of the few times I've accepted rides from strangers (I was young and stupid, yes I know) and my mind just reels.
I keep thinking over and over that it can't be real. REAL people don't do this.
I was thinking about this last night and I think that one of the reasons this is hitting (me) so hard is because it's unfiltered.
If I heard it on the news, I'd be disgusted and angry but it would be filtered. The other serial killers get books and made for TV movies, which again, change the perspective for us. As such, I was a bit desenstized because what I was given of it was wrapped up neatly by Hollywood or a NY Times Bestseller. While I know it really happened, somewhere in my head I still saw it as Hollywood and therefore not real.
This is unfiltered, messy and completely unwrapped. The back of my head keeps crying that it's a Blair Witch hoax thing, because it's looking for a justification that couldn't be really real.
But it is, and for once I think I wish I had a filtered version first.
Did that make any sense at all?
Pele
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I can't remember where I saw it...There some guys in Brittan I think, who were attacking "foreigners." It may have been another country, it's hard to say, but I think I remember it being english.
Actually It may have been german come to think of it.
The point is these kids were going around just attacking people that weren't homogeneous. It was so horrible seeing how afraid these people were and how little they could do. I tried to imagine myself in that situation, and you just know that there isn't any getting out of it. When multiple people attack you, hell even one person, it is incredibly easy to get overwhelmed.
The more frightening prospect is that it could be anyone. Now the obvious and important thing is that this is not by any means, normal. Random violence is statistically unlikely. These things are just horrifying though.
I can't remember where I saw it...There some guys in Brittan I think, who were attacking "foreigners." It may have been another country, it's hard to say, but I think I remember it being english.
Actually It may have been german come to think of it.
The point is these kids were going around just attacking people that weren't homogeneous. It was so horrible seeing how afraid these people were and how little they could do. I tried to imagine myself in that situation, and you just know that there isn't any getting out of it. When multiple people attack you, hell even one person, it is incredibly easy to get overwhelmed.
The more frightening prospect is that it could be anyone. Now the obvious and important thing is that this is not by any means, normal. Random violence is statistically unlikely. These things are just horrifying though.
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What would have come next ? Something out of the SAW movies maybe.
I do find it curious that a story this "size" hasn't been picked up by the MSM. It might just have everything to do with the existence of this video. MSM readers might just be too "offended" and talk about boycotting the outlet for disturbing them, I dunno, it sure sounds like news to me, there has to be a reason the story's being blacklisted.
These kids seem pretty conscious of not getting themselves all covered in evidence. They but the hammer in a plastic bag, no doubt to keep it clean so they can stick it back in dad's toolbox without bits on it and if they're not coming home all blood splattered to raise mom's laundry concerns, then all they have is digital data that they need to keep secret.
I figure the parents are action out of shock and saying what we would expect any distraught parent to say. They're probably having a tough time accepting that this is real too.
I hear you on the media "glamorising" these sort of people. Too many episodes of CSI have me thinking that the reality. the nuts and bolts of these kind of acts is somewhat sanitized..It's actually refreshing to see the general horror expressed out there in the blogosphere, I' also somewhat satisfied that there's been no censorship issues over this clip's existence.
I can see wanting a filtered version, sort of like wading in at the shallow end rather than plunging into deep water with all sorts of hazards below.
What would have come next ? Something out of the SAW movies maybe.
I do find it curious that a story this "size" hasn't been picked up by the MSM. It might just have everything to do with the existence of this video. MSM readers might just be too "offended" and talk about boycotting the outlet for disturbing them, I dunno, it sure sounds like news to me, there has to be a reason the story's being blacklisted.
These kids seem pretty conscious of not getting themselves all covered in evidence. They but the hammer in a plastic bag, no doubt to keep it clean so they can stick it back in dad's toolbox without bits on it and if they're not coming home all blood splattered to raise mom's laundry concerns, then all they have is digital data that they need to keep secret.
I figure the parents are action out of shock and saying what we would expect any distraught parent to say. They're probably having a tough time accepting that this is real too.
I hear you on the media "glamorising" these sort of people. Too many episodes of CSI have me thinking that the reality. the nuts and bolts of these kind of acts is somewhat sanitized..It's actually refreshing to see the general horror expressed out there in the blogosphere, I' also somewhat satisfied that there's been no censorship issues over this clip's existence.
I can see wanting a filtered version, sort of like wading in at the shallow end rather than plunging into deep water with all sorts of hazards below.
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Spanner, the "rich" thing is mentioned because it meant they had more resources than many to defeat their boredom, yet they turned to the most base, disgusting activities to fill the void.
I don't think it's meant to be an excuse, I certainly don't believe there is any excuse in the world for them.
One of my favorite quotes from the movie of Terry Pratchett's Hogfather is one where death says "Humans are so fascinating. In all this wonder they invent such things as boredom." that is paraphrased, but the point is there.
I agree, the whole animal thing turns them into more statistics. I know I've read more than once that numerous serial killers started on animals. It got me thinking why someone didn't intervene, but then, they may not have known. I want to give the parents the benefit of the doubt in that they honestly didn't know, not that they didn't believe. I thought about the times when Noah is with his friends and I don't know 100% what he is doing. I call, I check but still. Then I thought about Noah and how I don't believe he could *ever* do anything like that, but then I am sure these parents felt the same. Then I got chilled to the bone and refused to think about it any longer, but the sad truth of the matter is that these "boys" were in their early 20's and well out of the realm of parental control.
Stout, I could see MSM people being very offended but I can also see rich families and lawyers paying to have it hushed. While that kind of thing is more difficult in the US, UK and Aus, my suspicion (and that of many) is that it isn't so hard to do in other countries.
You know what has got me? When I was searching online to see if this was a hoax, I came across it on alot of website/boards/forums that are dedicated to showing such videos as a test of a persons mettle, ones that were literally dedicated to how much gore a person can take. It had my mind flipping, and my stomach too. I seem to recall in the 80's my sister owning a bunch of Faces of Death videos, from which I was specifically banned from watching. Now I understand why. Many of them were listed as "must see videos" on these gore sites. They make porn look like it's Disney made (I didn't watch them, I asked my sister and I couldn't)
Is this really what entertainment has come to? Watching videos of people dieing and getting amusement from it?
I also noticed from skimming the forums that so many of the posters seemed young. Can't they just learn to juggle? Hell get them a set of beamers if they want to watch someone get hurt!
*shakes head*
Spanner, the "rich" thing is mentioned because it meant they had more resources than many to defeat their boredom, yet they turned to the most base, disgusting activities to fill the void.
I don't think it's meant to be an excuse, I certainly don't believe there is any excuse in the world for them.
One of my favorite quotes from the movie of Terry Pratchett's Hogfather is one where death says "Humans are so fascinating. In all this wonder they invent such things as boredom." that is paraphrased, but the point is there.
I agree, the whole animal thing turns them into more statistics. I know I've read more than once that numerous serial killers started on animals. It got me thinking why someone didn't intervene, but then, they may not have known. I want to give the parents the benefit of the doubt in that they honestly didn't know, not that they didn't believe. I thought about the times when Noah is with his friends and I don't know 100% what he is doing. I call, I check but still. Then I thought about Noah and how I don't believe he could *ever* do anything like that, but then I am sure these parents felt the same. Then I got chilled to the bone and refused to think about it any longer, but the sad truth of the matter is that these "boys" were in their early 20's and well out of the realm of parental control.
Stout, I could see MSM people being very offended but I can also see rich families and lawyers paying to have it hushed. While that kind of thing is more difficult in the US, UK and Aus, my suspicion (and that of many) is that it isn't so hard to do in other countries.
You know what has got me? When I was searching online to see if this was a hoax, I came across it on alot of website/boards/forums that are dedicated to showing such videos as a test of a persons mettle, ones that were literally dedicated to how much gore a person can take. It had my mind flipping, and my stomach too. I seem to recall in the 80's my sister owning a bunch of Faces of Death videos, from which I was specifically banned from watching. Now I understand why. Many of them were listed as "must see videos" on these gore sites. They make porn look like it's Disney made (I didn't watch them, I asked my sister and I couldn't)
Is this really what entertainment has come to? Watching videos of people dieing and getting amusement from it?
I also noticed from skimming the forums that so many of the posters seemed young. Can't they just learn to juggle? Hell get them a set of beamers if they want to watch someone get hurt!
*shakes head*
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I actually waited an hour or so after reading the transcript, asking myself "do I really need/want to see the video" I didn't get any extra insight from the clip, just some graphic imagery that'll probably be with me for a while.
This could very well have been hushed up seeing as how it happened in 2007 and we're just hearing about it now. It did make it into what looks like the Ukrainian MSM ( TV ) so the outlets we all know had to at least been aware of the story.
But, yep, a few dollars to the judge, who issues a media gag order might very well have been the case.
While searching for alternative sources, specifically MSM viewpoints, I did come across several sites I'd never heard of. I didn't check the sites out to see what they were all about but the only "shock" site I'm aware of is rottendotcom, which I'll confess to visiting more than a few times in the past.
Faces of Death...heard about it, but I've never seen it. I'm curious about it but unless someone hands it to me directly, I can't see myself going out and tracking down a copy.
Quote:s this really what entertainment has come to? Watching videos of people dieing and getting amusement from it?
For some people, yes. Remember ultimate fighting and how "popular" a topic that was around the water cooler ? then it got "unbanned" pffffft, now it's on discovery channel in a sanitised format.
I might watch Survivor if people died.
I actually waited an hour or so after reading the transcript, asking myself "do I really need/want to see the video" I didn't get any extra insight from the clip, just some graphic imagery that'll probably be with me for a while.
This could very well have been hushed up seeing as how it happened in 2007 and we're just hearing about it now. It did make it into what looks like the Ukrainian MSM ( TV ) so the outlets we all know had to at least been aware of the story.
But, yep, a few dollars to the judge, who issues a media gag order might very well have been the case.
While searching for alternative sources, specifically MSM viewpoints, I did come across several sites I'd never heard of. I didn't check the sites out to see what they were all about but the only "shock" site I'm aware of is rottendotcom, which I'll confess to visiting more than a few times in the past.
Faces of Death...heard about it, but I've never seen it. I'm curious about it but unless someone hands it to me directly, I can't see myself going out and tracking down a copy.
Quote:s this really what entertainment has come to? Watching videos of people dieing and getting amusement from it?
For some people, yes. Remember ultimate fighting and how "popular" a topic that was around the water cooler ? then it got "unbanned" pffffft, now it's on discovery channel in a sanitised format.
I might watch Survivor if people died.
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Posted:
I'll have to admit, I'm a sook; not only could I not bring myself to watch the vid, I couldn't even finish reading the story/transcript.
I've got not problem watching all kinds of blood'n'gore flicks; in fact, horror/thriller films are my favourite genre. but when it's real, it just turns my stomach to even think about it. it amazes me, not just that people are capable of such things, but that there is such a market for it's production and distribution as entertainment... *shudder*
oh... and I *love* ultimate fighting/mma... but ye, some of that sanitising was inevitable. early version allowed head-butts, eye gouging etc; only a matter of time before the bodies started to pile up.
I'll have to admit, I'm a sook; not only could I not bring myself to watch the vid, I couldn't even finish reading the story/transcript.
I've got not problem watching all kinds of blood'n'gore flicks; in fact, horror/thriller films are my favourite genre. but when it's real, it just turns my stomach to even think about it. it amazes me, not just that people are capable of such things, but that there is such a market for it's production and distribution as entertainment... *shudder*
oh... and I *love* ultimate fighting/mma... but ye, some of that sanitising was inevitable. early version allowed head-butts, eye gouging etc; only a matter of time before the bodies started to pile up.
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im with you pogo! no way im watching that after reading these posts..
im with you pogo! no way im watching that after reading these posts..
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Ye, I can't bring myself to watch the video, either...the transcript is bad enough...I don't think I could handle watching a bunch of kids my son's age bashing and stabbing some poor man to death just to see what would happen...*shudder*
I've been a horror/thriller movie buff most of my life...and I have seen the Faces of Death movies...not really my choice, but many, many moons ago, when I was living with my first husband and some of his family, the only thing to do on the weekends was rent movies...and his brother-in-law would rent probably 20 in a weekend. Mostly, the FoD movies were surgeries, tragedies and strange things going on in remote tribal villages, from what I remember...the main one I remember had a man that got blown off course while parachuting and he landed in a pond full of crocodiles...not a pretty site...but none of it was just brutality for brutalities sake.
The movies that I like are ones that actually have a plot and are not gore, simply for gore's sake. I can't even watch if someone is cut or bashed...I have to avert my eyes until it's over...I can't imagine watching the real thing!!!
I also can't imagine, as I'm sure these kids parent's couldn't, my son ever doing anything of this nature...and since he's got a very gentle nature, I know he never would...can you imagine the horror that they are feeling, not wanting to acknowledge, but probably knowing, deep in their hearts, that their children did such horrible things? Especially the mothers...these are children that they carried and nurtured within their bodies...that they went thru the pain of giving birth to...and now, they have inflicted a much more horrible pain on innocent animals and people??? How do you get past that??? How do you ever come to terms with it???
*shakes head*
There are so many really wonderful people in this world...it's a shame that there are others that are equally as horrible.
Ye, I can't bring myself to watch the video, either...the transcript is bad enough...I don't think I could handle watching a bunch of kids my son's age bashing and stabbing some poor man to death just to see what would happen...*shudder*
I've been a horror/thriller movie buff most of my life...and I have seen the Faces of Death movies...not really my choice, but many, many moons ago, when I was living with my first husband and some of his family, the only thing to do on the weekends was rent movies...and his brother-in-law would rent probably 20 in a weekend. Mostly, the FoD movies were surgeries, tragedies and strange things going on in remote tribal villages, from what I remember...the main one I remember had a man that got blown off course while parachuting and he landed in a pond full of crocodiles...not a pretty site...but none of it was just brutality for brutalities sake.
The movies that I like are ones that actually have a plot and are not gore, simply for gore's sake. I can't even watch if someone is cut or bashed...I have to avert my eyes until it's over...I can't imagine watching the real thing!!!
I also can't imagine, as I'm sure these kids parent's couldn't, my son ever doing anything of this nature...and since he's got a very gentle nature, I know he never would...can you imagine the horror that they are feeling, not wanting to acknowledge, but probably knowing, deep in their hearts, that their children did such horrible things? Especially the mothers...these are children that they carried and nurtured within their bodies...that they went thru the pain of giving birth to...and now, they have inflicted a much more horrible pain on innocent animals and people??? How do you get past that??? How do you ever come to terms with it???
*shakes head*
There are so many really wonderful people in this world...it's a shame that there are others that are equally as horrible.
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Faces of death... Yeah, I've seen one of them, years ago. to be honest, they weren't that bad. they were just home footage o suicides and accidents that happened to be caught on film. there wasn't really a lot of malice involved in them if at all, from what I remember.
Just people Dying in not so peaceful ways, in front of a lens. There isn't even a huge amount of gore in them, and certainly less than is seen nowadays in gore porn movies like hostel and saw. The worst I remember was someone getting hit by a bus, and another guy getting shot to bits by police. nothing that doesn't often happen in hollywood productions... the thing that made it controversial? it was real people, really dying. (Is this true, or were loads of those videos staged? I have no idea)
The video in the first post, I read the transcript, and decided before i had even finished the first paragraph that I didn't need to see it. My mind had painted enough of a picture.
I'm actually surprised that something like this came to my attention through the HoP boards and not anywhere else... not the sort of subject I'd generally associate with Home of Poi...
Faces of death... Yeah, I've seen one of them, years ago. to be honest, they weren't that bad. they were just home footage o suicides and accidents that happened to be caught on film. there wasn't really a lot of malice involved in them if at all, from what I remember.
Just people Dying in not so peaceful ways, in front of a lens. There isn't even a huge amount of gore in them, and certainly less than is seen nowadays in gore porn movies like hostel and saw. The worst I remember was someone getting hit by a bus, and another guy getting shot to bits by police. nothing that doesn't often happen in hollywood productions... the thing that made it controversial? it was real people, really dying. (Is this true, or were loads of those videos staged? I have no idea)
The video in the first post, I read the transcript, and decided before i had even finished the first paragraph that I didn't need to see it. My mind had painted enough of a picture.
I'm actually surprised that something like this came to my attention through the HoP boards and not anywhere else... not the sort of subject I'd generally associate with Home of Poi...
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There has been quite a bit of speculation about whether the scenes in the Faces of Death movies were real or not...and from what I've heard, some of it was, some of it was not...I'd prefer not to know which was which.
There were other movies made around the same time that caused the same speculation...Amazing Asia being one series that I know of...and a rather disturbing movie called Make 'Em Die Slowly...the authentic look of some of what happened in that movie is what caused alot of the controversy, because at that time, special effects were not what they are today...and there was some horribly gruesome stuff in that movie...*shudder*...I won't regale you with the details, but it was set in the jungles where a group of people encountered a cannibalistic tribe...'nuff said.
K...I looked it up because it had been such a long time, I was not sure about the background of that movie...the main title is Cannibal Ferox and it was about a group of people that set out to debunk cannibalism...didn't turn out so well. It was made in 1981.
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There has been quite a bit of speculation about whether the scenes in the Faces of Death movies were real or not...and from what I've heard, some of it was, some of it was not...I'd prefer not to know which was which.
There were other movies made around the same time that caused the same speculation...Amazing Asia being one series that I know of...and a rather disturbing movie called Make 'Em Die Slowly...the authentic look of some of what happened in that movie is what caused alot of the controversy, because at that time, special effects were not what they are today...and there was some horribly gruesome stuff in that movie...*shudder*...I won't regale you with the details, but it was set in the jungles where a group of people encountered a cannibalistic tribe...'nuff said.
K...I looked it up because it had been such a long time, I was not sure about the background of that movie...the main title is Cannibal Ferox and it was about a group of people that set out to debunk cannibalism...didn't turn out so well. It was made in 1981.
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Originally Posted By: StoutI' also somewhat satisfied that there's been no censorship issues over this clip's existence.
I can see wanting a filtered version, sort of like wading in at the shallow end rather than plunging into deep water with all sorts of hazards below.
Freedom of information is one thing, access to stuff like on that video is another. I didn't watch it because I cant see how it could make my life better.
I think that censorship can be a bad thing but I also think that if you wouldnt watch it with people you care about (be it your children, parents, friends or lover) then you shouldnt be watching it.
If I had children I would be very concerned about them stumbling across material like that/being shown it by friends (the 2 girls 1 cup reaction videos are a good example).
Originally Posted By: StoutI' also somewhat satisfied that there's been no censorship issues over this clip's existence.
I can see wanting a filtered version, sort of like wading in at the shallow end rather than plunging into deep water with all sorts of hazards below.
Freedom of information is one thing, access to stuff like on that video is another. I didn't watch it because I cant see how it could make my life better.
I think that censorship can be a bad thing but I also think that if you wouldnt watch it with people you care about (be it your children, parents, friends or lover) then you shouldnt be watching it.
If I had children I would be very concerned about them stumbling across material like that/being shown it by friends (the 2 girls 1 cup reaction videos are a good example).
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Hi Ben
I can't say that watching that clip made my life any "better", but I could say the same for a lot of things I watch. It's a matter of perspective really. I watched it as education because I wanted to participate in this thread, not as some sort of macabre entertainment.
Censorship is indeed a bad thing. Who do you "trust" to control what you have access to ? Is watching someone getting blown to bits in a movie theater somehow "better" than the harsh reality of watching someone get killed IRL, just because it's fake and marketed as entertainment. There's a reason we have ratings on movies and video games and a reason we have warnings on content of some television shows..to let the viewer decide if it's for them and make their own decisions.
I'd be concerned about my kid stumbling across a clip like this. I'd want to talk to him about it and see what his take on the whole thing was. If I found he was horrified, I'd be pleased, if I found he thought it "really cool", I'd be horrified.
Hi Ben
I can't say that watching that clip made my life any "better", but I could say the same for a lot of things I watch. It's a matter of perspective really. I watched it as education because I wanted to participate in this thread, not as some sort of macabre entertainment.
Censorship is indeed a bad thing. Who do you "trust" to control what you have access to ? Is watching someone getting blown to bits in a movie theater somehow "better" than the harsh reality of watching someone get killed IRL, just because it's fake and marketed as entertainment. There's a reason we have ratings on movies and video games and a reason we have warnings on content of some television shows..to let the viewer decide if it's for them and make their own decisions.
I'd be concerned about my kid stumbling across a clip like this. I'd want to talk to him about it and see what his take on the whole thing was. If I found he was horrified, I'd be pleased, if I found he thought it "really cool", I'd be horrified.
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I actually pointed the story part of this out to my kids, aged 20 and 14...told them NOT to watch the video, under any circumstances! Both of them agreed that they had no desire to watch it, especially after reading just a small portion of that transcript.
Both of my kids like video games...hell, who's kids don't, nowadays?...but the ones they play are more of the fantasy type of games, with monsters and creepy creatures to target...and some of you may say there's no difference...but I'd much rather they be slaying dragons or fighting off zombies than virtually cutting down people in the streets...it's a matter of perceptions...the monsters are fantasy...people are a reality!
I was very glad that neither of them showed any interest in watching the vid of these kids and their horrors and I don't think it was just to please me...I believe that if they had come upon this on their own, they would have made the same choice! It's times like that which make me feel like I'm doing something right.
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I actually pointed the story part of this out to my kids, aged 20 and 14...told them NOT to watch the video, under any circumstances! Both of them agreed that they had no desire to watch it, especially after reading just a small portion of that transcript.
Both of my kids like video games...hell, who's kids don't, nowadays?...but the ones they play are more of the fantasy type of games, with monsters and creepy creatures to target...and some of you may say there's no difference...but I'd much rather they be slaying dragons or fighting off zombies than virtually cutting down people in the streets...it's a matter of perceptions...the monsters are fantasy...people are a reality!
I was very glad that neither of them showed any interest in watching the vid of these kids and their horrors and I don't think it was just to please me...I believe that if they had come upon this on their own, they would have made the same choice! It's times like that which make me feel like I'm doing something right.
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Originally Posted By: Stout Is watching someone getting blown to bits in a movie theater somehow "better" than the harsh reality of watching someone get killed IRL, just because it's fake and marketed as entertainment. There's a reason we have ratings on movies and video games and a reason we have warnings on content of some television shows..to let the viewer decide if it's for them and make their own decisions.
Well in theory the reason behind ratings is to censor what material people of different ages have access to. IE a 12 year old kid shouldn't be able to hire a R rated movie.
Originally Posted By: Stout Who do you "trust" to control what you have access to ?
Before the internet that would be the big media conglomerates who are answerable to the regulatory bodies if they permit inappropriate material.
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Originally Posted By: Stout Is watching someone getting blown to bits in a movie theater somehow "better" than the harsh reality of watching someone get killed IRL, just because it's fake and marketed as entertainment. There's a reason we have ratings on movies and video games and a reason we have warnings on content of some television shows..to let the viewer decide if it's for them and make their own decisions.
Well in theory the reason behind ratings is to censor what material people of different ages have access to. IE a 12 year old kid shouldn't be able to hire a R rated movie.
Originally Posted By: Stout Who do you "trust" to control what you have access to ?
Before the internet that would be the big media conglomerates who are answerable to the regulatory bodies if they permit inappropriate material.
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Hi Bek.
It sounds like things are going well over at your place with your kids not being desensitised to violence because it's being presented as fiction. If you're happy that they're not just telling you what they think you want to hear...then
I hear you on the fantasy style of game being somehow less "real" than something like grand theft auto. I don't actually play video games, not because I dislike them, but because I don't want to invest the time in them.
My kid is 3, so as far as he knows, the TV only has one channel, and the computer displays mostly text and spinning videos so I don't really have any useful experience in being concerned what my kids have access to, that'll come later, but I'm going to play out the idea that I have total control up until he starts school.
Then I'm going to be keeping an eye on his perceptions re fantasy violence OK, real violence bad.
Ben
I'm trusting that *most* people are going to make their own decisions on what's best for them. Had this clip been posted without the warning it had, I'd be pissed at whoever posted it, but I wouldn't be screaming that they take it down. I can ignore the thread myself and I don't need anyone trying to *protect* me from it's existence.
Strange that it's sex, not violence that drives the ratings scheme.
Hi Bek.
It sounds like things are going well over at your place with your kids not being desensitised to violence because it's being presented as fiction. If you're happy that they're not just telling you what they think you want to hear...then
I hear you on the fantasy style of game being somehow less "real" than something like grand theft auto. I don't actually play video games, not because I dislike them, but because I don't want to invest the time in them.
My kid is 3, so as far as he knows, the TV only has one channel, and the computer displays mostly text and spinning videos so I don't really have any useful experience in being concerned what my kids have access to, that'll come later, but I'm going to play out the idea that I have total control up until he starts school.
Then I'm going to be keeping an eye on his perceptions re fantasy violence OK, real violence bad.
Ben
I'm trusting that *most* people are going to make their own decisions on what's best for them. Had this clip been posted without the warning it had, I'd be pissed at whoever posted it, but I wouldn't be screaming that they take it down. I can ignore the thread myself and I don't need anyone trying to *protect* me from it's existence.
Strange that it's sex, not violence that drives the ratings scheme.
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Stout maybe you can watch it without it having a significant impact on you, not everyone is like you other people will be more strongly affected, my concern is for the psychological impact that viewing such material has.
I would imagine that sex drives rating schemes due to the christian influence in the governing bodies
Stout maybe you can watch it without it having a significant impact on you, not everyone is like you other people will be more strongly affected, my concern is for the psychological impact that viewing such material has.
I would imagine that sex drives rating schemes due to the christian influence in the governing bodies
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Ben..do you feel that fictional violence should also be censored ?
I can give you an example of my buddy's 13 year old son who was psychologically affected by the movie 28 Days Later. The kid didn't actually see the movie as he's been forbidden by his parents from watching horror movies because they affect him badly but just hearing the plot description sent him off on a week long fear fest about the possibility that a virus that turns people into zombies *might* possibly exist.
Ben..do you feel that fictional violence should also be censored ?
I can give you an example of my buddy's 13 year old son who was psychologically affected by the movie 28 Days Later. The kid didn't actually see the movie as he's been forbidden by his parents from watching horror movies because they affect him badly but just hearing the plot description sent him off on a week long fear fest about the possibility that a virus that turns people into zombies *might* possibly exist.
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I think that your friends child is a good example of why 28 days later recieved an R rating and why fictional violence should be censored, young kids need a filter on the material they view.
I think that your friends child is a good example of why 28 days later recieved an R rating and why fictional violence should be censored, young kids need a filter on the material they view.
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Ben, Is it children, specifically, that you're concerned about having access to this clip ? If so, I agree with your sentiments however I thinks it's up to parents to get a handle on just what their children are exposed to online.
This might involve making an unpopular decision, like making sure that the household computers that have internet access are in "public" areas of the house, like the kitchen.
So just who, and how should the internet be censored ? Should/could all graphic violence be forbidden online, by all countries with servers in them, like kiddy pron is ? Or some sort of system where a country may filter content coming into that county, like Thailand did/does with YouTube?
I understand the rating system and how it's supposed to work with shielding children from movies they shouldn't see, but somehow I have little faith in the ability and desire of video store clerks and movie theater ticket takers to protect my child.
Ben, Is it children, specifically, that you're concerned about having access to this clip ? If so, I agree with your sentiments however I thinks it's up to parents to get a handle on just what their children are exposed to online.
This might involve making an unpopular decision, like making sure that the household computers that have internet access are in "public" areas of the house, like the kitchen.
So just who, and how should the internet be censored ? Should/could all graphic violence be forbidden online, by all countries with servers in them, like kiddy pron is ? Or some sort of system where a country may filter content coming into that county, like Thailand did/does with YouTube?
I understand the rating system and how it's supposed to work with shielding children from movies they shouldn't see, but somehow I have little faith in the ability and desire of video store clerks and movie theater ticket takers to protect my child.
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I completely agree that it should be up to the parents to guard over what their children watch, and no one else.
Our sons computer is locked, when he is on it it is in the great room where we are and we have the ability to watch what he is doing from our own laptops (yes, we're patched in to spy).
Video games and movies are rated to control content which might be upsetting to younger children.
Noah, just today, purchased a video game at Target that is over his age rating. We know why it bears this rating, and approved him to play it. While his dad was with him when he bought it, the clerk said that if he weren't, she would have needed ID from Noah to buy it. Instead, she proofed his dad. I appreciate this very much. I also know if they are caught selling to a "non-approved" without a parent they can be fined around here.
A few years ago the movie Jacka$$ came out. It was rated "R" which means not for children under 17. Noah was 8 I believe. It was rated R for language and for male nudity. We took him to see it at the theater. I got proofed for him and when we walked in, we were applauded. We have two rules in this house regarding language, 1. You can not use a word without first knowing it's proper meaning- looking it up or asking, and 2. No swearing until you can express yourself without it, so the language didn't bother us. Noah is obviously a boy, so the male nudity didn't bother us. I'd not have taken a young girl to it, btw.
I do sideshow stunts. Noah is around me doing stuff that we've seen on Jacka$$ but he knows I do it safely and sanely. I wasn't worried about him emulating them either.
It shouldn't be about some outside governing body determining how sheltered my child, or I, should be. Every child is different and blanket rules are unfair in them, and they allow parents to become laxed and lazy.
*I* gladly take that responsiblity.
Noah is also now of the mind to know what he can and can not handle. He has had a life long aversion to zombie anything. His friends have been trying to get him to play a zombie video game. He has stood his ground and absolutely refuses.
He didn't even want to know about the article, which I was talking about to a room of people in a vague context.
I find this is fairly normal with his friends.
These kids know their minds and what they can and can not take.
So, with the option of clicking on the link, they wouldn't.
Thanks to all who described Faces of Death. I think I painted it in my head as being worse than it probably was. My sister is quite a bit older than I and I was quite young when she watched them.
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I completely agree that it should be up to the parents to guard over what their children watch, and no one else.
Our sons computer is locked, when he is on it it is in the great room where we are and we have the ability to watch what he is doing from our own laptops (yes, we're patched in to spy).
Video games and movies are rated to control content which might be upsetting to younger children.
Noah, just today, purchased a video game at Target that is over his age rating. We know why it bears this rating, and approved him to play it. While his dad was with him when he bought it, the clerk said that if he weren't, she would have needed ID from Noah to buy it. Instead, she proofed his dad. I appreciate this very much. I also know if they are caught selling to a "non-approved" without a parent they can be fined around here.
A few years ago the movie Jacka$$ came out. It was rated "R" which means not for children under 17. Noah was 8 I believe. It was rated R for language and for male nudity. We took him to see it at the theater. I got proofed for him and when we walked in, we were applauded. We have two rules in this house regarding language, 1. You can not use a word without first knowing it's proper meaning- looking it up or asking, and 2. No swearing until you can express yourself without it, so the language didn't bother us. Noah is obviously a boy, so the male nudity didn't bother us. I'd not have taken a young girl to it, btw.
I do sideshow stunts. Noah is around me doing stuff that we've seen on Jacka$$ but he knows I do it safely and sanely. I wasn't worried about him emulating them either.
It shouldn't be about some outside governing body determining how sheltered my child, or I, should be. Every child is different and blanket rules are unfair in them, and they allow parents to become laxed and lazy.
*I* gladly take that responsiblity.
Noah is also now of the mind to know what he can and can not handle. He has had a life long aversion to zombie anything. His friends have been trying to get him to play a zombie video game. He has stood his ground and absolutely refuses.
He didn't even want to know about the article, which I was talking about to a room of people in a vague context.
I find this is fairly normal with his friends.
These kids know their minds and what they can and can not take.
So, with the option of clicking on the link, they wouldn't.
Thanks to all who described Faces of Death. I think I painted it in my head as being worse than it probably was. My sister is quite a bit older than I and I was quite young when she watched them.
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Quote:Noah is also now of the mind to know what he can and can not handle.
That's good to read Pele, and I'm sure it applies to *most* kids. I saw the movie Jaws, when it first came out in the theater, I was 11 at the time ad the one thing that movie taught me was...I'd better avoid gory movies. I spent a lot of years coming up with excuses as to why I couldn't go all those slasher flicks that popped up immediately after.
Quote:Noah is also now of the mind to know what he can and can not handle.
That's good to read Pele, and I'm sure it applies to *most* kids. I saw the movie Jaws, when it first came out in the theater, I was 11 at the time ad the one thing that movie taught me was...I'd better avoid gory movies. I spent a lot of years coming up with excuses as to why I couldn't go all those slasher flicks that popped up immediately after.
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Originally Posted By: PeleI completely agree that it should be up to the parents to guard over what their children watch, and no one else.
How do you guard over what your kids watch when they are at a friends house or at school?
Originally Posted By: StoutThis might involve making an unpopular decision, like making sure that the household computers that have internet access are in "public" areas of the house, like the kitchen.
I agree that is where public computers should be for children.
Originally Posted By: StoutSo just who, and how should the internet be censored ? Should/could all graphic violence be forbidden online, by all countries with servers in them, like kiddy pron is ? Or some sort of system where a country may filter content coming into that county, like Thailand did/does with YouTube?
Ive been think alot about this over the last couple of days and I think I have an idea that i will flesh out with pictures over the next couple of days then post a link.
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Originally Posted By: PeleI completely agree that it should be up to the parents to guard over what their children watch, and no one else.
How do you guard over what your kids watch when they are at a friends house or at school?
Originally Posted By: StoutThis might involve making an unpopular decision, like making sure that the household computers that have internet access are in "public" areas of the house, like the kitchen.
I agree that is where public computers should be for children.
Originally Posted By: StoutSo just who, and how should the internet be censored ? Should/could all graphic violence be forbidden online, by all countries with servers in them, like kiddy pron is ? Or some sort of system where a country may filter content coming into that county, like Thailand did/does with YouTube?
Ive been think alot about this over the last couple of days and I think I have an idea that i will flesh out with pictures over the next couple of days then post a link.
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By the way, here (UK), selling age-rated stuff to anyone underage carries not just a fine, but is actually a criminal offence, repeated sales could potentially land you in prison.. I work in a store- we don't sell films, just magazines with an age rating (well, and brooze 'n cigs)- and rarely get anyone young trying to buy 'em.
I don't envy the people who have to figure out the age of 12-year-olds though- how many do you know who carry ID?
By the way, here (UK), selling age-rated stuff to anyone underage carries not just a fine, but is actually a criminal offence, repeated sales could potentially land you in prison.. I work in a store- we don't sell films, just magazines with an age rating (well, and brooze 'n cigs)- and rarely get anyone young trying to buy 'em.
I don't envy the people who have to figure out the age of 12-year-olds though- how many do you know who carry ID?
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Ben, when Noah was younger and he went to friends homes, I knew the parents and knew what they would be doing.
We're actually the most technical household of all his friends, so it wasn't like they were web surfing. They were too busy playing video games or skateboarding. It really wasn't so much of an issue.
And now when he's out, like I said before, he knows his mind and stands up for himself quite well. I've seen it in action. His friends have told me. His friends come here and will stand up for themselves when something is outside of their comfort zones.
My niece was one who was allowed free run. However the questionable material she saw at a young age was actually through an email, not a random website click. My sister agrees that was because she was lax as a parent and no other reason. They reported it to whomever and she never received another.
Kids aren't dumb.
They know what makes them uncomfortable and tend to not expose themselves to it willingly. The stuff they *do* get exposed to tends to be not set up on websites.
Which goes right back to: it's on the parents and there is no reason in the world why it should not be.
Ben, when Noah was younger and he went to friends homes, I knew the parents and knew what they would be doing.
We're actually the most technical household of all his friends, so it wasn't like they were web surfing. They were too busy playing video games or skateboarding. It really wasn't so much of an issue.
And now when he's out, like I said before, he knows his mind and stands up for himself quite well. I've seen it in action. His friends have told me. His friends come here and will stand up for themselves when something is outside of their comfort zones.
My niece was one who was allowed free run. However the questionable material she saw at a young age was actually through an email, not a random website click. My sister agrees that was because she was lax as a parent and no other reason. They reported it to whomever and she never received another.
Kids aren't dumb.
They know what makes them uncomfortable and tend to not expose themselves to it willingly. The stuff they *do* get exposed to tends to be not set up on websites.
Which goes right back to: it's on the parents and there is no reason in the world why it should not be.
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Pele its great that Noah and his friends know their minds, not all children are lucky enough to have attentive parents which is why i think its better to design a system such that all kids are safe.
Pele its great that Noah and his friends know their minds, not all children are lucky enough to have attentive parents which is why i think its better to design a system such that all kids are safe.
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I popped over to my sister's place yesterday and both her boys were sitting in front of the 52" TV, blowing away bad guys in glorious HD, and I asked her whether she thought that her boys might be interested in seeing a clip like this where violence is real, raw, and nobody gets another guy when they "loose".
She responded with a "no" citing that her eldest boy is brutally honest in the things he watches online ( mostly YouTube ) and she also said no when I asked her if the boys were aware of how to delete browsing history. She admitted to checking out just where they'd been and entertained the possibility of installing spy ware if she suspected the boys were up to something.
She did raise a point I hadn't thought of....the eldest boy wants his own email account. "So what?" I said, then she mentioned all that crap that circulates through emails. Crap that thankfully I'm spared from receiving due to my asking people not to send me that stuff ( you know what I mean )
In theory, this clip could be sent out as a link, allowing the recipient to view it without the warnings we all read on this thread( and links ) before deciding if we wanted to watch it.
One other concern she stated was online predators and "luring". Seems that her kids are playing a game called Runescape which has a chat function in it. I briefly looked at the game and it does look like it's specifically designed for children and who's to say who's really who they portray themselves as online.
Then there's this friend...a friend who's naive parents who allow the kid ( !11 years old ) unfettered and free access to the internet...another worry that's been "solved" ( somewhat ) by constantly inviting that friend over rather than letting her son(s) go to that friend's house.
Ben, I'm interested in your ideas.
I'm still thinking that parents should be the first line of defense against what their kids are exposed to but any effective "aids" could be only thought of as an asset.
When I was a kid, I got my violence fix through books ( eg. Nicky Cruz, Abbie Hoffman, Mark Lane ) and I seriously thought all that stuff was cool. Now, in retrospect, I think the greatest thrill was getting away with viewing material that *most* people would have considered socially unacceptable at the time....because it was real...not fiction.
I popped over to my sister's place yesterday and both her boys were sitting in front of the 52" TV, blowing away bad guys in glorious HD, and I asked her whether she thought that her boys might be interested in seeing a clip like this where violence is real, raw, and nobody gets another guy when they "loose".
She responded with a "no" citing that her eldest boy is brutally honest in the things he watches online ( mostly YouTube ) and she also said no when I asked her if the boys were aware of how to delete browsing history. She admitted to checking out just where they'd been and entertained the possibility of installing spy ware if she suspected the boys were up to something.
She did raise a point I hadn't thought of....the eldest boy wants his own email account. "So what?" I said, then she mentioned all that crap that circulates through emails. Crap that thankfully I'm spared from receiving due to my asking people not to send me that stuff ( you know what I mean )
In theory, this clip could be sent out as a link, allowing the recipient to view it without the warnings we all read on this thread( and links ) before deciding if we wanted to watch it.
One other concern she stated was online predators and "luring". Seems that her kids are playing a game called Runescape which has a chat function in it. I briefly looked at the game and it does look like it's specifically designed for children and who's to say who's really who they portray themselves as online.
Then there's this friend...a friend who's naive parents who allow the kid ( !11 years old ) unfettered and free access to the internet...another worry that's been "solved" ( somewhat ) by constantly inviting that friend over rather than letting her son(s) go to that friend's house.
Ben, I'm interested in your ideas.
I'm still thinking that parents should be the first line of defense against what their kids are exposed to but any effective "aids" could be only thought of as an asset.
When I was a kid, I got my violence fix through books ( eg. Nicky Cruz, Abbie Hoffman, Mark Lane ) and I seriously thought all that stuff was cool. Now, in retrospect, I think the greatest thrill was getting away with viewing material that *most* people would have considered socially unacceptable at the time....because it was real...not fiction.
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Funky Blessings Daily
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Location: USA
Funky Blessings Daily
215 posts
Location: USA
Posted:
I have always thought that part of parenting was raising your kids with the right morals, or problem solving skills to come out on top in some of these questionable situations.
I figured it was better to teach them how to deal with problems rather than shield them from them. Now there is always going to be that vague area of when to start letting that guard down. I have no clue there, but I feel like that'd be my primary focus, not so much WHAT they're exposed to but how to deal with it.
I have always thought that part of parenting was raising your kids with the right morals, or problem solving skills to come out on top in some of these questionable situations.
I figured it was better to teach them how to deal with problems rather than shield them from them. Now there is always going to be that vague area of when to start letting that guard down. I have no clue there, but I feel like that'd be my primary focus, not so much WHAT they're exposed to but how to deal with it.
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the henna lady
6,193 posts
Location: WNY, USA
the henna lady
6,193 posts
Location: WNY, USA
Posted:
MRC, absolutely.
However, I believe the question isn't about if they have the problem solving skills to handle them, it's about if they have the mental fortitude to handle what stumbles in their path.
And things will.
When Noah was young we were arriving home and one of the house mates was playing Resident Evil. A glimpse at the screen, literally a peek as we passed, set him off with a zombie obsession we battled for a long time. It was incidental exposure and I think that is what Ben is talking about.
BUT, that exposure has made Noah stronger. He is capable of seeing/handling more. He is not afraid of the dark or bumps in the night.
I think we were all exposed to something that terrified us when we were young, or traumatized, us as youth and we've gotten stronger for it.
I've seen/known sheltered children.
I'd *never* want my child to be like them.
There is no one I trust as much as myself to help Noah make these decisions.
Originally Posted By: Stout
I'm still thinking that parents should be the first line of defense against what their kids are exposed to but any effective "aids" could be only thought of as an asset.
Obviously I agree.
How far should aides go though?
MRC, absolutely.
However, I believe the question isn't about if they have the problem solving skills to handle them, it's about if they have the mental fortitude to handle what stumbles in their path.
And things will.
When Noah was young we were arriving home and one of the house mates was playing Resident Evil. A glimpse at the screen, literally a peek as we passed, set him off with a zombie obsession we battled for a long time. It was incidental exposure and I think that is what Ben is talking about.
BUT, that exposure has made Noah stronger. He is capable of seeing/handling more. He is not afraid of the dark or bumps in the night.
I think we were all exposed to something that terrified us when we were young, or traumatized, us as youth and we've gotten stronger for it.
I've seen/known sheltered children.
I'd *never* want my child to be like them.
There is no one I trust as much as myself to help Noah make these decisions.
Originally Posted By: Stout
I'm still thinking that parents should be the first line of defense against what their kids are exposed to but any effective "aids" could be only thought of as an asset.
Obviously I agree.
How far should aides go though?
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