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so recently i have discovered that many school around my county and i think mostly over the country that there are many new rules being brought in to combat individuality.
the rules in my school for instance are:
-no make up
-no accesories
-no electronics (i.e phones, MP3's)
-no belts that arn't black leather and more than 5cm
and their excuse for this??? to stop bullying and to help students concentrate on education instead of fighting unheard of fashion wars. soon their going to have us marching round the corridors in time!
the problem that i see with this is that altough it may claim to stop bullying in school - it wont - kids will always find something to pick out if they are going to bully someone. The problems that will arise from this is that the bullys will find things to pick on that hit closer to home and make the victims feel more insecure about themelves as it is most likyly to be things they cannot change. Consequently when they finsh their education and come out into the real world they will be severly unprepared and will have the ideology that all people should be exactly the same and to be differnt is very very wrong
their bringing up a nation of sheep!
also they belive that bringing in uniform and dress code will calm behavior, however on a recent school trip to see romeo & juliet the whole auditorium was full of schools and we were the only ones out of uniform and yet we were the best behaved
wheres the sense in that???
i know for a fact that many people are not happy about these rules. Including the students and parents (I think some teachers aswell but they cant say for fear of being fired) Resulting from this a whole school protest is being planned, were not the kinda kids who like to get trampled on, we speak up if needs be
so just wondering what your views on this are???
so recently i have discovered that many school around my county and i think mostly over the country that there are many new rules being brought in to combat individuality.
the rules in my school for instance are:
-no make up
-no accesories
-no electronics (i.e phones, MP3's)
-no belts that arn't black leather and more than 5cm
and their excuse for this??? to stop bullying and to help students concentrate on education instead of fighting unheard of fashion wars. soon their going to have us marching round the corridors in time!
the problem that i see with this is that altough it may claim to stop bullying in school - it wont - kids will always find something to pick out if they are going to bully someone. The problems that will arise from this is that the bullys will find things to pick on that hit closer to home and make the victims feel more insecure about themelves as it is most likyly to be things they cannot change. Consequently when they finsh their education and come out into the real world they will be severly unprepared and will have the ideology that all people should be exactly the same and to be differnt is very very wrong
their bringing up a nation of sheep!
also they belive that bringing in uniform and dress code will calm behavior, however on a recent school trip to see romeo & juliet the whole auditorium was full of schools and we were the only ones out of uniform and yet we were the best behaved
wheres the sense in that??? i know for a fact that many people are not happy about these rules. Including the students and parents (I think some teachers aswell but they cant say for fear of being fired) Resulting from this a whole school protest is being planned, were not the kinda kids who like to get trampled on, we speak up if needs be
so just wondering what your views on this are???
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1 example... my school. I had a uniform and just didn't talk to people about myself out of school, I knew the name of everyone in my year, and could speak to every single person in my entire year at school, and they were the sons of doctos lawyers and snobbery but my family was below the poverty line.
I'll admit after a couple of years it became more obvious but my first year was based purely on persona and that's where I made my friends.... the various back biting didn't start until people knew each other a lot better and were closer to leaving.
1 example... my school. I had a uniform and just didn't talk to people about myself out of school, I knew the name of everyone in my year, and could speak to every single person in my entire year at school, and they were the sons of doctos lawyers and snobbery but my family was below the poverty line.
I'll admit after a couple of years it became more obvious but my first year was based purely on persona and that's where I made my friends.... the various back biting didn't start until people knew each other a lot better and were closer to leaving.
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Is it seriously considered a special thing and down to uniforms to be able to talk to everyone in your year and know people's names?!? That's pretty sad 
Is it seriously considered a special thing and down to uniforms to be able to talk to everyone in your year and know people's names?!? That's pretty sad "vices are like genitals - most are ugly to behold, and yet we find that our own are dear to us."
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no but there was no initial rejection based upon appearance that I experienced at uni where the year was smaller, I had better social skills but because I had long hair some people avoided me or brushed me off, the same people who then welcomed me into the rugby team based on merit... that's more about people than uniforms but if everybody looks the same you have to get to know them before you can make a judgement, many people make rush judgements based upon appearance for example..
what's wrong with school uniforms? you said on page one birgit that kids should be happy and bouncey and colourful and not all look the same? that indicates that you believe because kids look the same they can't be happy and bouncey and colourful (uniforms aren't all black mine was red and blue stripes god damnit and looked like a clown suit
) an initial judgement based upon the clothes they wear...
there's nothing wrong with uniforms and as said previously they can help identify an intruder with no purpose to be in a school by that individuals lack of conformity.
no but there was no initial rejection based upon appearance that I experienced at uni where the year was smaller, I had better social skills but because I had long hair some people avoided me or brushed me off, the same people who then welcomed me into the rugby team based on merit... that's more about people than uniforms but if everybody looks the same you have to get to know them before you can make a judgement, many people make rush judgements based upon appearance for example..
what's wrong with school uniforms? you said on page one birgit that kids should be happy and bouncey and colourful and not all look the same? that indicates that you believe because kids look the same they can't be happy and bouncey and colourful (uniforms aren't all black mine was red and blue stripes god damnit and looked like a clown suit
) an initial judgement based upon the clothes they wear...there's nothing wrong with uniforms and as said previously they can help identify an intruder with no purpose to be in a school by that individuals lack of conformity.
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For the phones, Mp3's etc the rule is we arnt even allowed them in school, this means not on the way there and not on the way back, so what happens if something happens on the way there or back, were ment to go back to the school and go use the office phone??? and what if theres a personal matter that you dont want a message to be passed though reception for all to know about. id rather not.
As for the segregation thing, no one cares in our school what everyone else wares we all get on just the same and take the mic outa each other jokingly, no one gives a damn what other people ware. so we may not be best of buddies and hanging out all the time out of school but were not waring in school either
i can tell you this for a fact though, i work in a barbers and were getting all the back to school haircuts, and i have not heard one parent or student say that they are happy about this
For the phones, Mp3's etc the rule is we arnt even allowed them in school, this means not on the way there and not on the way back, so what happens if something happens on the way there or back, were ment to go back to the school and go use the office phone??? and what if theres a personal matter that you dont want a message to be passed though reception for all to know about. id rather not.
As for the segregation thing, no one cares in our school what everyone else wares we all get on just the same and take the mic outa each other jokingly, no one gives a damn what other people ware. so we may not be best of buddies and hanging out all the time out of school but were not waring in school either
i can tell you this for a fact though, i work in a barbers and were getting all the back to school haircuts, and i have not heard one parent or student say that they are happy about this
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Not having mp3 players makes sense to me.
'cos you'll always get some totaly pratt who'll listen to it instead of actually learning something, god forbid. Hell, I even did it once or twice
Plus, kids nick things. It happens. It happened all the time at my old school. Things just somehow vanish. And the school doesn't want to have to put up with a fuss.
I'd get bored with all those parents calling in going "My son lost this" and "She's had this stolen".
Nah, much better to terminate the problem at the source.
And as for phones and private messages?
What do the schools do, search you?
Just take it with you and keep it hidden.
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Not having mp3 players makes sense to me.
'cos you'll always get some totaly pratt who'll listen to it instead of actually learning something, god forbid. Hell, I even did it once or twice
Plus, kids nick things. It happens. It happened all the time at my old school. Things just somehow vanish. And the school doesn't want to have to put up with a fuss.
I'd get bored with all those parents calling in going "My son lost this" and "She's had this stolen".
Nah, much better to terminate the problem at the source.
And as for phones and private messages?
What do the schools do, search you?
Just take it with you and keep it hidden.
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yeh they do search you
yeh they do search you
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oh no, how did we ever live w/o cellphones...
you'll be fine. you don't have to pick out what to wear anymore. It saves time in the morning. Makes you recognizable. Look at Harry Potter
as i said, if you need your clothes to express your individuality, you might need to consider why the two are so closely intertwined. I'm still me at work, in work clothes.
oh no, how did we ever live w/o cellphones...
you'll be fine. you don't have to pick out what to wear anymore. It saves time in the morning. Makes you recognizable. Look at Harry Potter
as i said, if you need your clothes to express your individuality, you might need to consider why the two are so closely intertwined. I'm still me at work, in work clothes.
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mobile phones and mp3's put in the bottom of your bag or locker all switched off then theres no problem unless you do something wrong.
mobile phones and mp3's put in the bottom of your bag or locker all switched off then theres no problem unless you do something wrong.
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What I don't like about them is that I know lots of people who said they didn't like them when they were in school, and can't think of anyone who's told me they've actively liked wearing them, and that I think unless it's offensive or dangerous (i.e. skimpy stuff in winter) children should wear what they feel comfortable in, school is enough stress as it is.
What I don't like about them is that I know lots of people who said they didn't like them when they were in school, and can't think of anyone who's told me they've actively liked wearing them, and that I think unless it's offensive or dangerous (i.e. skimpy stuff in winter) children should wear what they feel comfortable in, school is enough stress as it is.
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Yup, I totally hated school uniform when I was in school and back then I'd have been raging away with the OP. Looking back on it now though, I can see it for its advantages. And although it was annoying, it wasn't as if I had to wear a shirt made of thorns or anything. For us it was a good incentive to get into 6th form so we could earn the privilege of lounging around in our own clothes.
Yeah seriously, you need to chill out about this. It's beyond your control, as it should be.
And remember, sometimes people concentrate so hard on trying to look/be alternative, that they end up another clone. Kinda ironic really.
Written by: Birgit
What I don't like about them is that I know lots of people who said they didn't like them when they were in school, and can't think of anyone who's told me they've actively liked wearing them, and that I think unless it's offensive or dangerous (i.e. skimpy stuff in winter) children should wear what they feel comfortable in, school is enough stress as it is.
Yup, I totally hated school uniform when I was in school and back then I'd have been raging away with the OP. Looking back on it now though, I can see it for its advantages. And although it was annoying, it wasn't as if I had to wear a shirt made of thorns or anything. For us it was a good incentive to get into 6th form so we could earn the privilege of lounging around in our own clothes.
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oh no, how did we ever live w/o cellphones...
you'll be fine. you don't have to pick out what to wear anymore. It saves time in the morning. Makes you recognizable. Look at Harry Potter
as i said, if you need your clothes to express your individuality, you might need to consider why the two are so closely intertwined. I'm still me at work, in work clothes.
Yeah seriously, you need to chill out about this. It's beyond your control, as it should be.
And remember, sometimes people concentrate so hard on trying to look/be alternative, that they end up another clone. Kinda ironic really.
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i dont need clothes to express my individuality, and it isnt what people know me for, what i am know for however is the person who is kind and caring towards others and is always there when you need him. i ware what i want to ware and pay no attention to fashions or anything if i like something when im looking for clothes ill get it weather its £5 or £50 (preferably the cheeper option) if people dicide to judge me on what im waring rather than my personality then thats there problem
anyway as im in 6th form know i still dont have to ware uniform, its the general view of those who do, also its not just the uniform its the rest of the restrictions aswell
As for the "how did we ever live w/o cellphones..." you could say the same about electricity
i dont need clothes to express my individuality, and it isnt what people know me for, what i am know for however is the person who is kind and caring towards others and is always there when you need him. i ware what i want to ware and pay no attention to fashions or anything if i like something when im looking for clothes ill get it weather its £5 or £50 (preferably the cheeper option) if people dicide to judge me on what im waring rather than my personality then thats there problem
anyway as im in 6th form know i still dont have to ware uniform, its the general view of those who do, also its not just the uniform its the rest of the restrictions aswell
As for the "how did we ever live w/o cellphones..." you could say the same about electricity
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I would argue that there is a bit of a difference.
There is a comparison for sure, but there are generally phones at stores or school or friends houses. If something happens on the street many times you can borrow a phone or if it's an accident, they get called in.
I like my uni, except the skirts were itchy and the yellow shirts just looked awful on me
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I would argue that there is a bit of a difference.
There is a comparison for sure, but there are generally phones at stores or school or friends houses. If something happens on the street many times you can borrow a phone or if it's an accident, they get called in.
I like my uni, except the skirts were itchy and the yellow shirts just looked awful on me
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and if your on your own, been kidnapped or some other worse case scenrio, what happens then??? if youve broken someting you cant rearly walk off to find a shop, im sure it isnt that nice a feeling to be all on your own not knowing whats going to happen
and if your on your own, been kidnapped or some other worse case scenrio, what happens then??? if youve broken someting you cant rearly walk off to find a shop, im sure it isnt that nice a feeling to be all on your own not knowing whats going to happen
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first, it is a worst case scenario
second, i know that feeling trust me.
third, then nosey neighbors call the ambulance/police
last, generally cell phones can be allowed so long as turned off...if they aren't now, maybe later...try for reform later
(look up bradley tech, milwaukee wisconsin and find out why cellphones aren't allowed in our schools-I'm going home)
have a good night all
first, it is a worst case scenario
second, i know that feeling trust me.
third, then nosey neighbors call the ambulance/police
last, generally cell phones can be allowed so long as turned off...if they aren't now, maybe later...try for reform later
(look up bradley tech, milwaukee wisconsin and find out why cellphones aren't allowed in our schools-I'm going home)
have a good night all
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Personally I think there should be cell-phone jammers installed in schools. If there is something really important, the parents can ring the school - but really, what is so important that it cant wait 10-15 minutes for a receptionist to come to the lesson and pass a message on for the kid to call home?
brittle - if you get kidnapped, I don't think your kidnapper is going to let you make a call on your cell-phone...
Personally I think there should be cell-phone jammers installed in schools. If there is something really important, the parents can ring the school - but really, what is so important that it cant wait 10-15 minutes for a receptionist to come to the lesson and pass a message on for the kid to call home?
brittle - if you get kidnapped, I don't think your kidnapper is going to let you make a call on your cell-phone...
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Well, you could, but it'd be fairly pointless.
Widespread use of electricity made significant improvements in a lot of areas.
Widespread use of mobile phones is just adding (often unneeded) functionality to an existing communications network.
I don't see any reason why a pupil would need a mobile phone while at school, but I can see why having them outside school could be justified.
Pyrolific's suggestion of a jammer would mean no disruption during school hours but it doesn't take away the potential benefits of carrying a mobile phone while travelling to and from school.
Would this be a situation you'd agree with, or are you opposed to any form of limiting what children can play with in class?
Written by: brittle
i dont need clothes to express my individuality, and it isnt what people know me for, what i am know for however is the person who is kind and caring towards others and is always there when you need him. i ware what i want to ware and pay no attention to fashions or anything if i like something when im looking for clothes ill get it weather its £5 or £50 (preferably the cheeper option) if people dicide to judge me on what im waring rather than my personality then thats there problem
anyway as im in 6th form know i still dont have to ware uniform, its the general view of those who do, also its not just the uniform its the rest of the restrictions aswell
*bites tongue before starting another rant about spelling*
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As for the "how did we ever live w/o cellphones..." you could say the same about electricity
Well, you could, but it'd be fairly pointless.
Widespread use of electricity made significant improvements in a lot of areas.
Widespread use of mobile phones is just adding (often unneeded) functionality to an existing communications network.
I don't see any reason why a pupil would need a mobile phone while at school, but I can see why having them outside school could be justified.
Pyrolific's suggestion of a jammer would mean no disruption during school hours but it doesn't take away the potential benefits of carrying a mobile phone while travelling to and from school.
Would this be a situation you'd agree with, or are you opposed to any form of limiting what children can play with in class?
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Sorry dude, that wasn't directed at you.
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Sorry dude, that wasn't directed at you.
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As a parent I like uniforms. As a student years ago I foumd uniform easier. As a worker I have no issue with uniform.
It makes thinking at 6am alot easier.
I like my son having a mibole at school, as a parent I dont like the porn they show each other on them but they are teenage boys, what can I expect. AFAIK mine isnt involved in showing it around.
As an adult I find myself judgemental of hair and clothing. If a child turns up at school with eg a mohawk, like your avatart, they will be judged by it and you have to have that expectation. Why are they having that cut, cant be for comfort in a cold country or sunprotection in ours.
As a parent I like uniforms. As a student years ago I foumd uniform easier. As a worker I have no issue with uniform.
It makes thinking at 6am alot easier.
I like my son having a mibole at school, as a parent I dont like the porn they show each other on them but they are teenage boys, what can I expect. AFAIK mine isnt involved in showing it around.
As an adult I find myself judgemental of hair and clothing. If a child turns up at school with eg a mohawk, like your avatart, they will be judged by it and you have to have that expectation. Why are they having that cut, cant be for comfort in a cold country or sunprotection in ours.
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My primary school didn't have a uniform- I don't recall any trouble at all from it- admittedly, it was a teensy place, only 28 pupils..
My secondary school had the most ridiculous rules- for example, not only did you have to wear a standard white shirt, it had to be long sleeved, with no pockets. Even though you were wearing a jumper over the top.. plus you had to wear a skirt with 7 panels. Not a clue why. Made it really expensive, and who honestly goes round counting schoolgirls skirt panels? Apart from our head teacher anyway..
Generally speaking, a dress code is something I have no problem with, but they really can go too far in making everyone identical.. I once got a lecture off one of the teachers for wearing a black, rather than navy blue hair elastic..
Incidently, that school was one of the highest rated state schools in the UK, they came 9th overall in the country one year I was there.. Not the year I was in though, we came 120th and had a lot more fun
My primary school didn't have a uniform- I don't recall any trouble at all from it- admittedly, it was a teensy place, only 28 pupils..
My secondary school had the most ridiculous rules- for example, not only did you have to wear a standard white shirt, it had to be long sleeved, with no pockets. Even though you were wearing a jumper over the top.. plus you had to wear a skirt with 7 panels. Not a clue why. Made it really expensive, and who honestly goes round counting schoolgirls skirt panels? Apart from our head teacher anyway..
Generally speaking, a dress code is something I have no problem with, but they really can go too far in making everyone identical.. I once got a lecture off one of the teachers for wearing a black, rather than navy blue hair elastic..
Incidently, that school was one of the highest rated state schools in the UK, they came 9th overall in the country one year I was there.. Not the year I was in though, we came 120th and had a lot more fun
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So kids don't like uniforms and schools stressful enough...
I don't like wearing a shirt and tie and my job is very stressful...
see the comparison, I think a uniform is a good way to prepare a child for a life of work, as school should. if you don't have to wear a uniform / shirt at work then your lucky and it was just another lesson you didn't need... like latin for me.
I can see pro's AND cons for uniform as if a child is comfortable they could learn easier, and uniforms a way of making the school look good but I feel the positives far outweigh the negatives especially for children aged 11-17 primary school maybe less strict but why not prepare kids? 7 years of school uniform have made me no longer care about a shirt and tie..
So kids don't like uniforms and schools stressful enough...
I don't like wearing a shirt and tie and my job is very stressful...
see the comparison, I think a uniform is a good way to prepare a child for a life of work, as school should. if you don't have to wear a uniform / shirt at work then your lucky and it was just another lesson you didn't need... like latin for me.
I can see pro's AND cons for uniform as if a child is comfortable they could learn easier, and uniforms a way of making the school look good but I feel the positives far outweigh the negatives especially for children aged 11-17 primary school maybe less strict but why not prepare kids? 7 years of school uniform have made me no longer care about a shirt and tie..
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The jammer idea would be a good idea and i agree with it mostly as i only ever used my phone about twice in school when i was sorting someting out. Also i only listened to music quietly though one headphone with easy to listen to stuff on and the teachers bent the rule for me to do this claiming they couldnt see it as they knew i was a hard working student
personally i did it because it was something i wanted to do not to fit in or impress anyone else. Also if you dont do these things when your young when are you going to do them???
at least you get paid for it
The jammer idea would be a good idea and i agree with it mostly as i only ever used my phone about twice in school when i was sorting someting out. Also i only listened to music quietly though one headphone with easy to listen to stuff on and the teachers bent the rule for me to do this claiming they couldnt see it as they knew i was a hard working student
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Why are they having that cut, cant be for comfort in a cold country or sunprotection in ours.
personally i did it because it was something i wanted to do not to fit in or impress anyone else. Also if you dont do these things when your young when are you going to do them???
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So kids don't like uniforms and schools stressful enough...
I don't like wearing a shirt and tie and my job is very stressful...
at least you get paid for it
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Posted:
that's because I have to pay to live, which as a child you don't, besides if your doing GCSE's or A-levels you can get paid if you know where to look
mostly grants but hey. kids have everything paid for but for that they should go to school see balances oout, and many kids get pocket money
that's because I have to pay to live, which as a child you don't, besides if your doing GCSE's or A-levels you can get paid if you know where to look
mostly grants but hey. kids have everything paid for but for that they should go to school see balances oout, and many kids get pocket money A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.
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Posted:
I find it strange that most people on here are pro-uniform. I wonder if it's because most people are from australia and the UK, where uniforms are more the norm? We have both here, but when it comes to classroom management and behaviour, I don't think it makes a difference. Kids still do drugs, get pregnant, get into fights, and cause problems in class whether they're wearing a uniform or not. Uniforms here generally converse with Catholic schools-but there has even been bomb threats and other such violence in those schools. A uniform does not hide ones ethnicity or socio-economic status.
A lot of schools with uniforms now waste too much classroom time on disciplining students for stupid things, like wearing the wrong colour of blue for knee socks, or the incorrect collar on a shirt. I think appearance should not phaze a teacher-no matter if a student has a mohawk, or looks like Paris Hilton-continue on with the lesson. A school is an extension and representation of society, and we are teaching kids how to integrate into society, which should include being diverse, accepting differences, possessing an individual voice, and questioning the culturally elite.
I find it strange that most people on here are pro-uniform. I wonder if it's because most people are from australia and the UK, where uniforms are more the norm? We have both here, but when it comes to classroom management and behaviour, I don't think it makes a difference. Kids still do drugs, get pregnant, get into fights, and cause problems in class whether they're wearing a uniform or not. Uniforms here generally converse with Catholic schools-but there has even been bomb threats and other such violence in those schools. A uniform does not hide ones ethnicity or socio-economic status.
A lot of schools with uniforms now waste too much classroom time on disciplining students for stupid things, like wearing the wrong colour of blue for knee socks, or the incorrect collar on a shirt. I think appearance should not phaze a teacher-no matter if a student has a mohawk, or looks like Paris Hilton-continue on with the lesson. A school is an extension and representation of society, and we are teaching kids how to integrate into society, which should include being diverse, accepting differences, possessing an individual voice, and questioning the culturally elite.
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wandering thru the woods of WI
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Posted:
that is a fantastic idea...they do that at theaters now, so the cost is probably not prohibitive
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Personally I think there should be cell-phone jammers installed in schools. If there is something really important, the parents can ring the school - but really, what is so important that it cant wait 10-15 minutes for a receptionist to come to the lesson and pass a message on for the kid to call home?
that is a fantastic idea...they do that at theaters now, so the cost is probably not prohibitive
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Posted:
I think you're missing the point that although we have come from uniforms in school, most of us HATED it for a least part of that time, yet came to realise the positives. We have experienced both sides of the argument. I think that's probably more why we're pro.
But that's exactly what pro-uniform people are arguing. Representation of society includes the fact that you cannot wear what you want, when you want and that there are rules to follow.
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I find it strange that most people on here are pro-uniform. I wonder if it's because most people are from australia and the UK, where uniforms are more the norm?
I think you're missing the point that although we have come from uniforms in school, most of us HATED it for a least part of that time, yet came to realise the positives. We have experienced both sides of the argument. I think that's probably more why we're pro.
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A school is an extension and representation of society, and we are teaching kids how to integrate into society, which should include being diverse, accepting differences, possessing an individual voice, and questioning the culturally elite.
But that's exactly what pro-uniform people are arguing. Representation of society includes the fact that you cannot wear what you want, when you want and that there are rules to follow.
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Pffft... I was paid to go to school, and I had to wear a suit.
Money made it no less fun.
Written by: brittleWritten by: Mynci
So kids don't like uniforms and schools stressful enough...
I don't like wearing a shirt and tie and my job is very stressful...
at least you get paid for it
Pffft... I was paid to go to school, and I had to wear a suit.
Money made it no less fun.
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Posted:
@ Mynci... last post was very short and incomplete because I had to leave for the flight.
Now, I already said that personally I don't like putting children into uniforms and making them all look the same. It's a personal thing, I'm not saying noone should find it a good idea, but I don't, something inside me twists at the idea and I know I would've hated it since I hated all kind of wearing-clothes-of-a-certain-type-just-because-everyone-did.
Also, I suppose the "uniforms make appearances and clothes less important" is not quite compatible with the "uniforms prepare you for a world where wearing the right kind of clothes in a job is really important".
I do think it is to do with the fact that in the UK (don't know about Oz) uniforms in many professions are much more common than where I grew up. Still, my school had 1500 pupils for secondary school, and it was fine. If by people's own experience the advantages outweigh the disadvantages, fine (I still don't agree but see where you're coming from), but I've yet to hear convincing arguments for making primary kids wear the things
Also you have the choice to go for a job without a shirt and tie, if you really don't like them. Children don't, especially the wee ones don't get a say in which school they get sent to. I think I made it quite clear that for me the main issue is one of choice
As for the advantages... the intruders especially strike me as funny. Any secondary school I ever went to had the worst drug dealers, troublemakers etc in their own ranks. Worst school shootings (according to news) - by students, not intruders. Fair enough, if there are serious problems, you can check - in my Canadian school, pupils had to show their school ids if the entrance people didn't know/recognise them. But who is going to "intrude" and cause trouble and be mixed up with a primary kid? An army of juvenile-looking midgets on a mission? The 8 year-old next-door jihadee from the Muslim school? Please.
Yay for the mobile phone disruption by the way. Also put it in clubs, restaurants, cinemas, on trains with the exception of 1 carriage where all annoying people and those with real important calls can go and in other places
@ Mynci... last post was very short and incomplete because I had to leave for the flight.
Now, I already said that personally I don't like putting children into uniforms and making them all look the same. It's a personal thing, I'm not saying noone should find it a good idea, but I don't, something inside me twists at the idea and I know I would've hated it since I hated all kind of wearing-clothes-of-a-certain-type-just-because-everyone-did.
Also, I suppose the "uniforms make appearances and clothes less important" is not quite compatible with the "uniforms prepare you for a world where wearing the right kind of clothes in a job is really important".
I do think it is to do with the fact that in the UK (don't know about Oz) uniforms in many professions are much more common than where I grew up. Still, my school had 1500 pupils for secondary school, and it was fine. If by people's own experience the advantages outweigh the disadvantages, fine (I still don't agree but see where you're coming from
), but I've yet to hear convincing arguments for making primary kids wear the things Also you have the choice to go for a job without a shirt and tie, if you really don't like them. Children don't, especially the wee ones don't get a say in which school they get sent to. I think I made it quite clear that for me the main issue is one of choice
As for the advantages... the intruders especially strike me as funny. Any secondary school I ever went to had the worst drug dealers, troublemakers etc in their own ranks. Worst school shootings (according to news) - by students, not intruders. Fair enough, if there are serious problems, you can check - in my Canadian school, pupils had to show their school ids if the entrance people didn't know/recognise them. But who is going to "intrude" and cause trouble and be mixed up with a primary kid? An army of juvenile-looking midgets on a mission? The 8 year-old next-door jihadee from the Muslim school? Please.
Yay for the mobile phone disruption by the way. Also put it in clubs, restaurants, cinemas, on trains with the exception of 1 carriage where all annoying people and those with real important calls can go and in other places
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Posted:
we had a loose uniform at school white t-shirt or shirt or polo shirt and jumpers had to be blue, with grey or black shorts, trousers, skirts or dresses.
Birgit, I admit no-one likes uniforms, and like you I understand where you are coming from hell espescially in summer a shirt and tie are not condusive to good concentration. (we had a thing called the shirt sleeve order where in the summer blazers had to be brought to school but didn't have to be worn and ties where the same, but ties had to be worn to and from school and in assembleys)
one thing about phone jammers.. can they be focused into an area or do they just spread out? because no phones around the outsides of schools could get a little annoying waiting for a bus
we had a loose uniform at school white t-shirt or shirt or polo shirt and jumpers had to be blue, with grey or black shorts, trousers, skirts or dresses.
Birgit, I admit no-one likes uniforms, and like you I understand where you are coming from
hell espescially in summer a shirt and tie are not condusive to good concentration. (we had a thing called the shirt sleeve order where in the summer blazers had to be brought to school but didn't have to be worn and ties where the same, but ties had to be worn to and from school and in assembleys)one thing about phone jammers.. can they be focused into an area or do they just spread out? because no phones around the outsides of schools could get a little annoying waiting for a bus
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Posted:
In Israel a school uniform is a pair of jeans and a school T-shirt or polo.
I don't think a uniform need involve a skirt and/or tie. I just think that a simple uniform helps to cut down on clothing costs. And it also stops the inevitable fashion wars that otherwise erupt.
In Israel a school uniform is a pair of jeans and a school T-shirt or polo.
I don't think a uniform need involve a skirt and/or tie. I just think that a simple uniform helps to cut down on clothing costs. And it also stops the inevitable fashion wars that otherwise erupt.
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Posted:
oh, but the skirts are so cute.
oh, but the skirts are so cute.
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