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Another thread made me think about starting this topic:
Last week we were discussing people taking photos and how it may reflect if they are taking photos on one "type" or twirler and how it may reflect badly on the community (Goths seemed to be the main target in of this discussion).
I always believed that the fire community was open and accepting of all types of people, not just one certain set, but lately after seeing not just one the other board but also a couple of discussion so n here, maybe twirlers aren't as open minded as they might like to think they are.
On the outside generally most groups tend to be very open and accepting but when presented with someone that may be out of the norm to what they would normally be around they get very tetchy and closeminded.
Emos were the target in one such thread on this board which is the one that got me thinking about it.
Why is it that some people no matter who you are or what group you are in tend to judge people just because they, dress, act or sound differently to you.
Just because one person is an "emo"/"goth"/"hippy" or whatever other tag you want to label them with how do you know that they are not nice people?
I was a goth once upon a time and I find most goths are quite nice (most are really shy actually) if you just give them the time of day. I don't know what my label would be now, but I try to think of myself as open minded enough to at least give someone a chance without judging them on their appearance, what they wear, their hiarstyle or hair colour.
So are we becoming a very close minded group and if so why? Why are we laughing at certain groups within society today? Why are we classifying certain groups as less worthy of our attention than others?
Don't know if I have worded this all that well but I hope people get my drift...
Another thread made me think about starting this topic:
Last week we were discussing people taking photos and how it may reflect if they are taking photos on one "type" or twirler and how it may reflect badly on the community (Goths seemed to be the main target in of this discussion).
I always believed that the fire community was open and accepting of all types of people, not just one certain set, but lately after seeing not just one the other board but also a couple of discussion so n here, maybe twirlers aren't as open minded as they might like to think they are.
On the outside generally most groups tend to be very open and accepting but when presented with someone that may be out of the norm to what they would normally be around they get very tetchy and closeminded.
Emos were the target in one such thread on this board which is the one that got me thinking about it.
Why is it that some people no matter who you are or what group you are in tend to judge people just because they, dress, act or sound differently to you.
Just because one person is an "emo"/"goth"/"hippy" or whatever other tag you want to label them with how do you know that they are not nice people?
I was a goth once upon a time and I find most goths are quite nice (most are really shy actually) if you just give them the time of day. I don't know what my label would be now, but I try to think of myself as open minded enough to at least give someone a chance without judging them on their appearance, what they wear, their hiarstyle or hair colour.
So are we becoming a very close minded group and if so why? Why are we laughing at certain groups within society today? Why are we classifying certain groups as less worthy of our attention than others?
Don't know if I have worded this all that well but I hope people get my drift...
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As I've said in Tom's thread that got deleted a while ago...
Tolerance is NOT being tolerant to people who share your point of view, but of those who think differently.
Which is why I KNOW that my tolerance has its limits, and I respect that while I might not tolerate everyone, on the other hand not everyone may tolerate me, and that's okay for me.
Nobody's perfect, and everyone prefers some things and styles of life to others. I don't think it's necessarily open-mindedness that's the problem, but a matter of time.
Let's take goths. I know nice goths. I went to a goth club when some of my friends decided to be goths. I got mostly ignored or scowled at because I didn't have the right outfit and make-up. So it's a give-and-take, I didn't have the time and patience to dress up just to be accepted and included in conversations, and they didn't have the time and patience to talk to this weirdo in normal clothes in a goth club. So therefore they think I'm not making an effort, and I think they're rejecting people who aren't exactly like them.
Or take "skater boy" (the song... can't remember the name of the girl that did it): A skater-punk-type isn't accepted by the cool kids. At MY school, skaters didn't accept anyone who didn't have their outfits, gear or listened to their music.
People tend to form groups and subcultures because they feel more comfortable around people like them. Hell, if I could have a group of bass guitar-playing, singing, firespinning scientists I'm sure I'd love it there
And one part of a subculture is to distinguish your group from others, and point out that you a.like yours for good reasons, or b.think the others are not as good as yours. And when people talk in the 2nd way, that's when they sound disapproving or narrow-minded.
As I've said in Tom's thread that got deleted a while ago...
Tolerance is NOT being tolerant to people who share your point of view, but of those who think differently.
Which is why I KNOW that my tolerance has its limits, and I respect that while I might not tolerate everyone, on the other hand not everyone may tolerate me, and that's okay for me.
Nobody's perfect, and everyone prefers some things and styles of life to others. I don't think it's necessarily open-mindedness that's the problem, but a matter of time.
Let's take goths. I know nice goths. I went to a goth club when some of my friends decided to be goths. I got mostly ignored or scowled at because I didn't have the right outfit and make-up. So it's a give-and-take, I didn't have the time and patience to dress up just to be accepted and included in conversations, and they didn't have the time and patience to talk to this weirdo in normal clothes in a goth club. So therefore they think I'm not making an effort, and I think they're rejecting people who aren't exactly like them.
Or take "skater boy" (the song... can't remember the name of the girl that did it): A skater-punk-type isn't accepted by the cool kids. At MY school, skaters didn't accept anyone who didn't have their outfits, gear or listened to their music.
People tend to form groups and subcultures because they feel more comfortable around people like them. Hell, if I could have a group of bass guitar-playing, singing, firespinning scientists I'm sure I'd love it there
And one part of a subculture is to distinguish your group from others, and point out that you a.like yours for good reasons, or b.think the others are not as good as yours. And when people talk in the 2nd way, that's when they sound disapproving or narrow-minded. "vices are like genitals - most are ugly to behold, and yet we find that our own are dear to us."
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But doesn't bein a fire twirler already define our group of people we are comfortable about being around? I mean we all have the same thing in common, we love to twirl....
What should it matter that I wear something that is different to you or the next person when we already have soemthing that makes us comfortable in common?
I know that in normally society, when you go to certain clubs, hang outs etc etc. And see certain groups specifically hanging out together that the chances of them talking to you if you are "not like them" is very narrow, but all of us twirlers are alike in one way, we have a passion for our art so should that not be common enough ground for us to get over our silly little close mindedness when it comes to being around other twirlers who may act or dress or sound differently to the rest of us?
But doesn't bein a fire twirler already define our group of people we are comfortable about being around? I mean we all have the same thing in common, we love to twirl....
What should it matter that I wear something that is different to you or the next person when we already have soemthing that makes us comfortable in common?
I know that in normally society, when you go to certain clubs, hang outs etc etc. And see certain groups specifically hanging out together that the chances of them talking to you if you are "not like them" is very narrow, but all of us twirlers are alike in one way, we have a passion for our art so should that not be common enough ground for us to get over our silly little close mindedness when it comes to being around other twirlers who may act or dress or sound differently to the rest of us?
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i think for the most part people just like to take the piss, and this is mostly harmless and probably happens more on the internet, because its easier to hide.
i dont think we are a close minded group. i have been lucky enough to meet quite a few people from thsi forum and they come in kinds of varietys and from my experince will generally accept pretty much anyone
i think for the most part people just like to take the piss, and this is mostly harmless and probably happens more on the internet, because its easier to hide.
i dont think we are a close minded group. i have been lucky enough to meet quite a few people from thsi forum and they come in kinds of varietys and from my experince will generally accept pretty much anyone
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PS...not asking this to start any arguments just want to get people's general opinions.
PS...not asking this to start any arguments just want to get people's general opinions.
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I don't think 1 common thing makes you a group...
I mean, I wouldn't say I'm like all straight people, or like all women, or Taureans, or biochemists.
One of the best things about HoP is that apart from the spinning we're all so different, and especially here in discussions you get all kinds of opinions, experiences or even styles of discussing/arguing.
I wouldn't say we're very closed-minded... just not 100% open-minded. But then who is!
And to your question of why we're classing certain groups as less worthy of our attention than others: Because they are. Noone has unlimited attention, and everyone can, and has to, make choices of who to associate with or find out more about. Take Neds/chavs/whatever - I'm sure some of them are nice and have interesting things to say, but I can't be bothered to associate with a whole group of them just to find that out
I don't think 1 common thing makes you a group...
I mean, I wouldn't say I'm like all straight people, or like all women, or Taureans, or biochemists.
One of the best things about HoP is that apart from the spinning we're all so different, and especially here in discussions you get all kinds of opinions, experiences or even styles of discussing/arguing.
I wouldn't say we're very closed-minded... just not 100% open-minded. But then who is!
And to your question of why we're classing certain groups as less worthy of our attention than others: Because they are. Noone has unlimited attention, and everyone can, and has to, make choices of who to associate with or find out more about. Take Neds/chavs/whatever - I'm sure some of them are nice and have interesting things to say, but I can't be bothered to associate with a whole group of them just to find that out
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Oh everyone will judge everyone else and theres nothing wrong with it most of the time. I dont want to sound like im making up excuses but judgeing people by appearences is a natural thing that stretches back in every species exsistance since evolution began. I saw this a channel 4 documentery about perceptions in society and attitude. Early humans would have to look for possible prediters or dangerosue situations on every horizon in there little groups of other monkey men (lol) and judge on the bases of appearence if they are a threat or not. Its filterd down through generations nd is an instinctive thing, its very much like wanting to eat food if you see it even if your hungry or not. We simply have progressed too quickly for our brains to catch up and even though we live in a society where food is avaliable in allmost endless quantintys our brains are far behind and thats why we tend to over eat. Were not greedy were just programmed to eat food when we see it because we never used to know when our next meal would be avaliable. The early humans who ate everthing edible they saw would be the ones who survived and had children, so as a result it filters down the generations.
So in short, if we see something thats different its a typical reaction to judge it and be deffensive about this different social group, hence the little wars between townies and goths ect
Oh everyone will judge everyone else and theres nothing wrong with it most of the time. I dont want to sound like im making up excuses but judgeing people by appearences is a natural thing that stretches back in every species exsistance since evolution began. I saw this a channel 4 documentery about perceptions in society and attitude. Early humans would have to look for possible prediters or dangerosue situations on every horizon in there little groups of other monkey men (lol) and judge on the bases of appearence if they are a threat or not. Its filterd down through generations nd is an instinctive thing, its very much like wanting to eat food if you see it even if your hungry or not. We simply have progressed too quickly for our brains to catch up and even though we live in a society where food is avaliable in allmost endless quantintys our brains are far behind and thats why we tend to over eat. Were not greedy were just programmed to eat food when we see it because we never used to know when our next meal would be avaliable. The early humans who ate everthing edible they saw would be the ones who survived and had children, so as a result it filters down the generations.
So in short, if we see something thats different its a typical reaction to judge it and be deffensive about this different social group, hence the little wars between townies and goths ect
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open-mindedness is relative.
twirlers are still people, capable of the universe of differences in attitude.
what to make of it? well, my take on it is that we can treat as many people as possible with understanding and set an example.
collective niceness is a wonderful thing to watch - take a look at the introductions sections again!
open-mindedness is relative.
twirlers are still people, capable of the universe of differences in attitude.
what to make of it? well, my take on it is that we can treat as many people as possible with understanding and set an example.
collective niceness is a wonderful thing to watch - take a look at the introductions sections again!
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i have not seen this attitude exhibited in any of the real-life twirling communities i have seen.
likewise, on the board, i have not read or taken part in those threads referred to in the original post
in my direct experience (the london community) there are loads of people from all different walks of life and their differences are embraced, not highlighted and ridiculed.
hippys, ravers, metallers, hip-hop heads - these 'social groups' (maybe 'sterotypes' is a more suitable term) all crossover within the spinning community, and so do their interests and preferences.
for example, i wear oversized jeans and baggy t-shirts at outdoor forest parties whilst juggling and on the way home, i make everyone in my car listen to metal.
so what am i...?
cole. x
i have not seen this attitude exhibited in any of the real-life twirling communities i have seen.
likewise, on the board, i have not read or taken part in those threads referred to in the original post
in my direct experience (the london community) there are loads of people from all different walks of life and their differences are embraced, not highlighted and ridiculed.
hippys, ravers, metallers, hip-hop heads - these 'social groups' (maybe 'sterotypes' is a more suitable term) all crossover within the spinning community, and so do their interests and preferences.
for example, i wear oversized jeans and baggy t-shirts at outdoor forest parties whilst juggling and on the way home, i make everyone in my car listen to metal.
so what am i...?
cole. x
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If I suggested that the London community was probably one of the most homogenous communities I'd ever met I'd probably start a fight right?
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in my direct experience (the london community) there are loads of people from all different walks of life and their differences are embraced, not highlighted and ridiculed.
If I suggested that the London community was probably one of the most homogenous communities I'd ever met I'd probably start a fight right?
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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if you spelled homogeneous right, you might have done.
seriously though 'mr alternative'
if you truly think that about the london spinners, you need to speak to more of us than just me, bams, hels and ucof next time you're in town.
cole. x
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if you spelled homogeneous right, you might have done.
seriously though 'mr alternative'
if you truly think that about the london spinners, you need to speak to more of us than just me, bams, hels and ucof next time you're in town.cole. x
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All I can say is, I attended my first social gathering of HoPpers last weekend (Falmouth) and I am unaware of anyone being like that. People came from all over the country, some had known each other years, some had never met. Everyone was welcoming and very willing to socialise with everyone else, and quite a few didn't even have the connection of this website.
Well....obviously Medusa has experienced this where she is- and indeed, we are not all the same (plus the human nature stuff which Joe said) so I am sure in some sections of the "twirling commuunity" this does happen. I hope it is in the minority, and that I do not get to experience it.
All I can say is, I attended my first social gathering of HoPpers last weekend (Falmouth) and I am unaware of anyone being like that. People came from all over the country, some had known each other years, some had never met. Everyone was welcoming and very willing to socialise with everyone else, and quite a few didn't even have the connection of this website.
Well....obviously Medusa has experienced this where she is- and indeed, we are not all the same (plus the human nature stuff which Joe said) so I am sure in some sections of the "twirling commuunity" this does happen. I hope it is in the minority, and that I do not get to experience it.
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yes you smelly new yorked *rolls up cuffs and balls fists*
i think the spinners in general are pretty open minded as a group. but as has been said there is still a level at which people will draw the line purely from social programming
i think the groups that spinners (or at least the spinners im with) most often laugh about are those that most often laugh at us - ie chavs - despite this i think if a chav showed an honest interest (rather than wanting to muck about with fire and just be stupid - well stupider than we are) they'd be accepted
i think part of the problem is that there are two issues - how accepting spinners are to new people from other backgrounds (very indeed as far as i can see) and their tolerance for the steriotype - everyone laughs at steriotypes but i dont think this means that we will laugh at those who we might apply that sterio type
i hope this makes sense
yes you smelly new yorked *rolls up cuffs and balls fists*
i think the spinners in general are pretty open minded as a group. but as has been said there is still a level at which people will draw the line purely from social programming
i think the groups that spinners (or at least the spinners im with) most often laugh about are those that most often laugh at us - ie chavs - despite this i think if a chav showed an honest interest (rather than wanting to muck about with fire and just be stupid - well stupider than we are) they'd be accepted
i think part of the problem is that there are two issues - how accepting spinners are to new people from other backgrounds (very indeed as far as i can see) and their tolerance for the steriotype - everyone laughs at steriotypes but i dont think this means that we will laugh at those who we might apply that sterio type
i hope this makes sense
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Yes thats very true, in my experiance its more the steriotype itself we find ammusing not the person. but you know len dont let it worrie you most of it is just abit tounge in cheak very rearly are people doing it to be nasty.
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everyone laughs at steriotypes but i dont think this means that we will laugh at those who we might apply that sterio type
Yes thats very true, in my experiance its more the steriotype itself we find ammusing not the person. but you know len dont let it worrie you most of it is just abit tounge in cheak very rearly are people doing it to be nasty.
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Just as soon as I can tell the difference between you and all the other socially liberal, GenX, pseudointellectual, underachieving, white, neohippies.
DON'T get me wrong. It's almost as bad here (and I'd certainly lump myself in the same group.)
BUT if you look around your metro car on the way home from work it's NOT the same people that are showing up to PoiInThePark or Spitz. Unless the middle aged black women poi spinner troupe only shows up when I'm not there.
Because I'm discussing things like race and demographics let me clarify my point for those that have trouble:
"The demographics of poi spinners in London (and New York for that matter) is NOT a diverse cross section consistant with the larger urban community."
That's my point and I'm stickin' to it.
Written by: coleman
seriously though 'mr alternative'
Just as soon as I can tell the difference between you and all the other socially liberal, GenX, pseudointellectual, underachieving, white, neohippies.
DON'T get me wrong. It's almost as bad here (and I'd certainly lump myself in the same group.)
BUT if you look around your metro car on the way home from work it's NOT the same people that are showing up to PoiInThePark or Spitz. Unless the middle aged black women poi spinner troupe only shows up when I'm not there.
Because I'm discussing things like race and demographics let me clarify my point for those that have trouble:
"The demographics of poi spinners in London (and New York for that matter) is NOT a diverse cross section consistant with the larger urban community."
That's my point and I'm stickin' to it.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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just because the demographic is pretty specific does not mean the we are one homogeneous group
that much should be obvious, we have the people picking on someone trying to express their individuality as best as they know how, whether or not you think it is individual enough is not your problem.
this is one big get over it and if you don't have anything nice to say say nothing at all situations.
some people choose a style that may or may not be lumped into a category, other people go out of their way to make sure that absolutely no one dresses like them. personally, i think that they may be a bit sillier because i wonder if they feel as though their personality is not strong enough to come through without special clothes.
The point is most people want to belong. it's natural and part of the basis of human happiness in psych and communcation worlds. If you have a strong enough personality you can take your stereotype and mold it to fit you. There will always be the not-like-us, but it just shows insecurity in ones own personality to rip into someone for a haircut
The original point is that we are not all the same group, same demographically probably for the most part
so says the conservative from wisconsin
just because the demographic is pretty specific does not mean the we are one homogeneous group
that much should be obvious, we have the people picking on someone trying to express their individuality as best as they know how, whether or not you think it is individual enough is not your problem.
this is one big get over it and if you don't have anything nice to say say nothing at all situations.
some people choose a style that may or may not be lumped into a category, other people go out of their way to make sure that absolutely no one dresses like them. personally, i think that they may be a bit sillier because i wonder if they feel as though their personality is not strong enough to come through without special clothes.
The point is most people want to belong. it's natural and part of the basis of human happiness in psych and communcation worlds. If you have a strong enough personality you can take your stereotype and mold it to fit you. There will always be the not-like-us, but it just shows insecurity in ones own personality to rip into someone for a haircut
The original point is that we are not all the same group, same demographically probably for the most part
so says the conservative from wisconsin
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good point.
cole: your a fluffy wuffy wabbit.
i love taking the piss out of emo types, but i only ever bother when im talking to one. but then this is scotland, its expected that you put down your closest friends as often as possible... not that this doesnt cause problems.
you cant state one thing without denying another, to say that you are liberal and dont pre-judge peaple is also to say that the action of pre-judgment and steriotyping is a bad thing. what? of course! but then certain steriotypes and thier reactions to them are usefull, murderers for instance.
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good point.
cole: your a fluffy wuffy wabbit.
i love taking the piss out of emo types, but i only ever bother when im talking to one. but then this is scotland, its expected that you put down your closest friends as often as possible... not that this doesnt cause problems.
you cant state one thing without denying another, to say that you are liberal and dont pre-judge peaple is also to say that the action of pre-judgment and steriotyping is a bad thing. what? of course! but then certain steriotypes and thier reactions to them are usefull, murderers for instance.
you are all caught in the Tao Trap, have fun suckers!
T
p.s. fire spinners are stoopid!
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i ment good point NYC, not faithinfire, cos your just displaying the preconceptions we are discussing, has it occured to you that maybe the only way to belong to all groups is not to belong to any of them? that by invoking a strong reactoin you gather to yourself peaple who dont care about apperance?
oh and i recon firespinners and jugglers tend to be one of the less closed groups around, but the real rule is treat the person, not the haircut, react to the situation, not the location.
steriotypes and preconceptions are tools, and tools are good for their uses, but dont try to paint a watercolour with a chainsaw. and when your finnshed chopping wood, put the axe down, its heavy, man. :smoking:
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i ment good point NYC, not faithinfire, cos your just displaying the preconceptions we are discussing, has it occured to you that maybe the only way to belong to all groups is not to belong to any of them? that by invoking a strong reactoin you gather to yourself peaple who dont care about apperance?
oh and i recon firespinners and jugglers tend to be one of the less closed groups around, but the real rule is treat the person, not the haircut, react to the situation, not the location.
steriotypes and preconceptions are tools, and tools are good for their uses, but dont try to paint a watercolour with a chainsaw. and when your finnshed chopping wood, put the axe down, its heavy, man. :smoking:
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wandering thru the woods of WI
3,556 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
wandering thru the woods of WI
3,556 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
Posted:
culturally it is sort of impossible to not belong to a group, because even if you say that you are not going to belong or fall into a group, you by default fall into the lone wolf group or the outsider or traveler as is described in group dynamics...it is still a group
because you fall into one group does not limit you to what others you might become part of. you can belong to as many groups as you want. i mean it might be difficult to be part of two stereotyps at the same time, but in generalities
our brains work by sorting, we need to find ends and beginnings to give us perception of where we stand both physcially or socially. how we react to these others is up to us to react to honestly to develop as individual people
groups are harmless, how we react to the assembling is our choice and can be deadly
and to get back to the old topic...it's a haircut, get over it...i don't make fun of your hair
culturally it is sort of impossible to not belong to a group, because even if you say that you are not going to belong or fall into a group, you by default fall into the lone wolf group or the outsider or traveler as is described in group dynamics...it is still a group
because you fall into one group does not limit you to what others you might become part of. you can belong to as many groups as you want. i mean it might be difficult to be part of two stereotyps at the same time, but in generalities
our brains work by sorting, we need to find ends and beginnings to give us perception of where we stand both physcially or socially. how we react to these others is up to us to react to honestly to develop as individual people
groups are harmless, how we react to the assembling is our choice and can be deadly
and to get back to the old topic...it's a haircut, get over it...i don't make fun of your hair
Faith
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Posted:
i personaly am goth, just thought i'd get that out of the way right now. from my expreience, grouping is just what people do. fortunatly smart enough people don't let difference in groups get in the way of meeting others. the spinning community, as i've seen, is the most openminded i've seen and for that i love it.
i think it's not right to judge off of appearance. i will admit that my friends and i poke fun at emo, but it's the stereotype it's self not the people.
all i'm saying is you don't have much to worry about medusa, most things negative said about stereotypes aren't serious. it's no big deal.
i personaly am goth, just thought i'd get that out of the way right now. from my expreience, grouping is just what people do. fortunatly smart enough people don't let difference in groups get in the way of meeting others. the spinning community, as i've seen, is the most openminded i've seen and for that i love it.
i think it's not right to judge off of appearance. i will admit that my friends and i poke fun at emo, but it's the stereotype it's self not the people.
all i'm saying is you don't have much to worry about medusa, most things negative said about stereotypes aren't serious. it's no big deal.
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Flying Water Muppet
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Location: Edin-borrow., United Kingdom
Flying Water Muppet
5,276 posts
Location: Edin-borrow., United Kingdom
Posted:
I was surprised down in london cos there were black spinners. I'd never seen a black poi spinner before.
cole is not like a neo-pagan? I thought you'd surely would have met some proper pagans in your time here NYC? I'm 50% certain there's at least one in beltane.
emo's: seems like another good way to not have much fun listening to crap music while wearing similar clothing, yay for nouveau goths!
Haven't we had this discussion before? Where I stated that black people have better (cooler) things to do like: making up cool new slang words, breakdancing, being gangster and being cooler than white people.
Thou I have come to a new conclusion since then, that the major and MOST important divide in HOP and most spinning communities is that between noobs and old schoolers.
Where:
noobs: total motor-retarded idiots not worthy of even being glimpsed out of the corner of your eye. Will assault old schoolers for information and then never spin again. Avoided at all costs. ALL costs.
old schoolers: Glamorous perfect creations, gods amoungst humans who are adored where ever they go and walk permanently on a layer of ambrosia to avoid touching base earth.
ah and:
I was surprised down in london cos there were black spinners. I'd never seen a black poi spinner before.
cole is not like a neo-pagan? I thought you'd surely would have met some proper pagans in your time here NYC? I'm 50% certain there's at least one in beltane.
emo's: seems like another good way to not have much fun listening to crap music while wearing similar clothing, yay for nouveau goths!
Haven't we had this discussion before? Where I stated that black people have better (cooler) things to do like: making up cool new slang words, breakdancing, being gangster and being cooler than white people.
Thou I have come to a new conclusion since then, that the major and MOST important divide in HOP and most spinning communities is that between noobs and old schoolers.
Where:
noobs: total motor-retarded idiots not worthy of even being glimpsed out of the corner of your eye. Will assault old schoolers for information and then never spin again. Avoided at all costs. ALL costs.
old schoolers: Glamorous perfect creations, gods amoungst humans who are adored where ever they go and walk permanently on a layer of ambrosia to avoid touching base earth.
ah and:
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"the still legendary" - Kaskade
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Location: in the trees
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Location: in the trees
Posted:
i've been at a few raves before and spun with a blak guy on new years eve and to tell the truth this guy was good. we had a good chat about spinny madness fun type stuff and a little about unmentionables but i've found chav looking people i've met that where just as cool.
maybe all the emo's i've nebver met are still sat indoors or grouping together somewhere......................doing something.................er..........yeah, so................
i've been at a few raves before and spun with a blak guy on new years eve and to tell the truth this guy was good. we had a good chat about spinny madness fun type stuff and a little about unmentionables
but i've found chav looking people i've met that where just as cool.maybe all the emo's i've nebver met are still sat indoors or grouping together somewhere......................doing something.................er..........yeah, so................
NYC
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Posted:
Actually, that's exactly what it means.
Written by: faithinfire
just because the demographic is pretty specific does not mean the we are one homogeneous group
Actually, that's exactly what it means.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
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Location: Lancs England
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Posted:
humm Iv just got Bcak from the BJC and me and bov noticed in the hall there was well over 150 people but not a single black person and so so many more men than women.
humm Iv just got Bcak from the BJC and me and bov noticed in the hall there was well over 150 people but not a single black person and so so many more men than women.
before i met those lot i thought they'd be a bunch of dreadlocked hippies that smoked, set things on fire ,and drank a lot of tea but then when i met them....oh wait (PyroWill)
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Location: Nashville, TN, USA
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Location: Nashville, TN, USA
Posted:
i dig this.
my question is: Why is it not closed-minded to think people who spin poi are, as a group, more open-minded than everyone else? or that we should be? seems a little pretentious to me... oh wait. that is also a poi stereotype...
and who hasn't been around the internet long enough to know Em0-ness isn't actually a big trend? it's been S000O much more trendy to be anti-em0 since em0ness hit mainstream. if you want to really make fun of a self-described em0, call them a "mod" and watch them not know what you're talking about. probably works for the anti-em0s too. haha.
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oh and i recon firespinners and jugglers tend to be one of the less closed groups around, but the real rule is treat the person, not the haircut, react to the situation, not the location.
steriotypes and preconceptions are tools, and tools are good for their uses, but dont try to paint a watercolour with a chainsaw. and when your finnshed chopping wood, put the axe down, its heavy, man. :smoking:
i dig this.
my question is: Why is it not closed-minded to think people who spin poi are, as a group, more open-minded than everyone else? or that we should be? seems a little pretentious to me... oh wait. that is also a poi stereotype...
and who hasn't been around the internet long enough to know Em0-ness isn't actually a big trend? it's been S000O much more trendy to be anti-em0 since em0ness hit mainstream. if you want to really make fun of a self-described em0, call them a "mod" and watch them not know what you're talking about.
probably works for the anti-em0s too. haha. BRONZE Member
Pooh-Bah
1,762 posts
Location: York University, United Kingdom
Pooh-Bah
1,762 posts
Location: York University, United Kingdom
Posted:
I was turned off Emo when I took part in a conversation like this:
Emo Person: "Green Day are SO not punk anymore"
Emo Person 2: "They're punk-rock now"
Emo Person: "Well, not even that. Kinda like soft rock."
It just seemed a little silly that people who reject a labelling of themselves are so quick to label other people. It's like saying "I want to be outside the box, and while I'm there I'm going to put everyone else into one."
Can anyone seriously say that if they were in a rock club then they would actually start a conversation with a Chav?
Maybe that's just me coming from a town where you're either a stoner, a chav or alone.
I was turned off Emo when I took part in a conversation like this:
Emo Person: "Green Day are SO not punk anymore"
Emo Person 2: "They're punk-rock now"
Emo Person: "Well, not even that. Kinda like soft rock."
It just seemed a little silly that people who reject a labelling of themselves are so quick to label other people. It's like saying "I want to be outside the box, and while I'm there I'm going to put everyone else into one."
Can anyone seriously say that if they were in a rock club then they would actually start a conversation with a Chav?
Maybe that's just me coming from a town where you're either a stoner, a chav or alone.
After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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ZORT!
3,045 posts
Location: Brisbane, Australia
ZORT!
3,045 posts
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posted:
im guessing this thread relates to the emo bagging in social chat?
err ive never seen the mocking of goths - emos yes but goths no. Its can be a fine line - but generally id say that goths are the happy ones.
perhaps the wide scale mocking of emo kids is due to to that they generally tend to be teenagers/young adults - and we remember our own state of mind and that of those around us. certainly i new of a whole load of kids who seemed to enjoy going through the entire teen angst/life is so unfair/the world is against me thing and adopt vast quantities of black clothing and listening to The Cure feeling miserable.
most of them grew out of it and developed into lovely people with sunny dispositions.
so its funny to bag out emos - not because of intolerance - but because they seem so young to the rest of us- and perhaps we think of teen angsty stuff we went through at the time and how it wasnt really that big a deal as we thought it was.
err thats just a hypothetical idea though - theres probably massive wholes in it.
that being said - some dont grow out of it and turn into completely miserable adults who i really have no time for in my life.
Or this might be one of those infinite disagreements and miscommunications tbat dominate the world wide web discussion boards, despite the fact that if we all met in real life we'd get on fantastically.
personally i find the spinning community one of the most open minded groups around. hippies, nerds, goths, gays, guys, girls, dancers, ravers - everything - and no-one really gives a toss.
*le sigh*
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im guessing this thread relates to the emo bagging in social chat?
err ive never seen the mocking of goths - emos yes but goths no. Its can be a fine line - but generally id say that goths are the happy ones.
perhaps the wide scale mocking of emo kids is due to to that they generally tend to be teenagers/young adults - and we remember our own state of mind and that of those around us. certainly i new of a whole load of kids who seemed to enjoy going through the entire teen angst/life is so unfair/the world is against me thing and adopt vast quantities of black clothing and listening to The Cure feeling miserable.
most of them grew out of it and developed into lovely people with sunny dispositions.
so its funny to bag out emos - not because of intolerance - but because they seem so young to the rest of us- and perhaps we think of teen angsty stuff we went through at the time and how it wasnt really that big a deal as we thought it was.
err thats just a hypothetical idea though - theres probably massive wholes in it.
that being said - some dont grow out of it and turn into completely miserable adults who i really have no time for in my life.
Or this might be one of those infinite disagreements and miscommunications tbat dominate the world wide web discussion boards, despite the fact that if we all met in real life we'd get on fantastically.
personally i find the spinning community one of the most open minded groups around. hippies, nerds, goths, gays, guys, girls, dancers, ravers - everything - and no-one really gives a toss.
*le sigh*
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Posted:
I am laughing cause I have absolutely no idea what emo even stands for... Funny. Would not know one if I saw one.
But is this really a thread where someone sets up a stereotype of "twirlers " as a group of people prone to the stereotyping of others, then complains about it?
Cause if it is, that is even funnier.
I mean really, can we not just get over the whole lumping people into narrow cateogories thing? It doesn't make the slightest bit of difference if those cateogories are perceived as posative or negative-- it is just a ridiculous set of assumptions to lay on people.
Take a moment to appreciate all the diversity out there( and in here)! We may not be representative of the spectrum of any given society, but each of us is truly an individual, lots of different interests, opinions ,appearances and behaviours can be observed within this loose gathering of "twirlers" .
The only thing I am willing to say about twirlers as a group, is that they are likely to be able, or interested in twirling something. Anything else is just specious speculation.
I am laughing cause I have absolutely no idea what emo even stands for... Funny. Would not know one if I saw one.
But is this really a thread where someone sets up a stereotype of "twirlers " as a group of people prone to the stereotyping of others, then complains about it?
Cause if it is, that is even funnier.
I mean really, can we not just get over the whole lumping people into narrow cateogories thing? It doesn't make the slightest bit of difference if those cateogories are perceived as posative or negative-- it is just a ridiculous set of assumptions to lay on people.
Take a moment to appreciate all the diversity out there( and in here)! We may not be representative of the spectrum of any given society, but each of us is truly an individual, lots of different interests, opinions ,appearances and behaviours can be observed within this loose gathering of "twirlers" .
The only thing I am willing to say about twirlers as a group, is that they are likely to be able, or interested in twirling something. Anything else is just specious speculation.
"God *was* my co-pilot, but then we crashed, and I had to eat him..."
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Mission: Ignition
534 posts
Location: Central New Jersey, USA
Mission: Ignition
534 posts
Location: Central New Jersey, USA
Posted:
Emo is short for emotional. The stereotypical emo kid is is a guy with ungodly tight pants and longish dark hair worn in front of one eye. Also thick black rimmed glasses help. Generally they are the embodiment of teen angst and want everyone to know it. "Emo Kid" by Adam and Andrew is a wonderful song mocking that entire subculture. Some kids just dress the part, known as dressing "scene" but sometimes are happy fun people.
As far as spinners go, the sky is the limit, and thats what's fun, everyone brings their own bowl of food to the party. Nerds make their own LEDs(and make the rest of us jealous" ravers bring in some awesome wrapping moves, you've got flags which I think originated in gay clubs out west... but I'm not totally sure... and that's all I can think of.
Stereotypical poi-er, If I had to say something though... I'm thinking something along the lines on the hippie side. Dreads and funky clothes living with a bunch of others and having a great time with an unbelievably sunny disposition and a shibby life philosophy. But thats just me.
Emo is short for emotional. The stereotypical emo kid is is a guy with ungodly tight pants and longish dark hair worn in front of one eye. Also thick black rimmed glasses help. Generally they are the embodiment of teen angst and want everyone to know it. "Emo Kid" by Adam and Andrew is a wonderful song mocking that entire subculture. Some kids just dress the part, known as dressing "scene" but sometimes are happy fun people.
As far as spinners go, the sky is the limit, and thats what's fun, everyone brings their own bowl of food to the party. Nerds make their own LEDs(and make the rest of us jealous" ravers bring in some awesome wrapping moves, you've got flags which I think originated in gay clubs out west... but I'm not totally sure... and that's all I can think of.
Stereotypical poi-er, If I had to say something though... I'm thinking something along the lines on the hippie side. Dreads and funky clothes living with a bunch of others and having a great time with an unbelievably sunny disposition and a shibby life philosophy. But thats just me.
Don't mind me, just passing through.
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Posted:
Hey it was a generalised question not a complaint, to get people to discuss what they think...
Written by: andrealee
But is this really a thread where someone sets up a stereotype of "twirlers " as a group of people prone to the stereotyping of others, then complains about it?
Hey it was a generalised question not a complaint, to get people to discuss what they think...
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Location: home of the tiney toothy bear, Australia
coming to a country near you
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Location: home of the tiney toothy bear, Australia
Posted:
so, we've realised that stereotyping ourselves as a group of 'openminded' people who stereotype everyone else is absurd?
emo is a label used as an insult. i have testimony for this when i overheard a goth saying "thats a little too emo for me".
stereotypical poi'er:
someone that sucks too much to do staff
come'on everyone do it with me, *HIPTHRUST*
so, we've realised that stereotyping ourselves as a group of 'openminded' people who stereotype everyone else is absurd?
emo is a label used as an insult. i have testimony for this when i overheard a goth saying "thats a little too emo for me".
stereotypical poi'er:
someone that sucks too much to do staff
come'on everyone do it with me, *HIPTHRUST*
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