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https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4799238.stm
I've not read anything as deplorable as this for a while...
Does this mean rape and domestic violence has been downgraded in terms of seriousness...?
https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4799238.stm
I've not read anything as deplorable as this for a while...
Does this mean rape and domestic violence has been downgraded in terms of seriousness...?
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Well, let's face it, rapists already get shorter jail terms than someone breaking into your house and stealing the silver. It's long since annoyed the **** out of me that property seems to be more highly valued than the a person!
Well, let's face it, rapists already get shorter jail terms than someone breaking into your house and stealing the silver. It's long since annoyed the **** out of me that property seems to be more highly valued than the a person!
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I suppose castration's out of the question... It's cheaper if it's money they're worried about...
I suppose castration's out of the question... It's cheaper if it's money they're worried about...
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lol I was just about to type that!!
lol I was just about to type that!!
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"prison is now more demanding"??
And getting along in a world that cares less and less about the individuum while trying to deal with the trauma of having been raped isn't? Will they at least cut waiting times for counselling by 15%, too?
Though to keep both feet on the ground, it's not approved yet, and whether the government would like it or not, my guess is they won't do it, if only because of the public's reaction.
"prison is now more demanding"??
And getting along in a world that cares less and less about the individuum while trying to deal with the trauma of having been raped isn't? Will they at least cut waiting times for counselling by 15%, too?
Though to keep both feet on the ground, it's not approved yet, and whether the government would like it or not, my guess is they won't do it, if only because of the public's reaction.
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"prison is now more demanding"??
Did they expect to be a day at the pub or tea and crumpets all round for criminals?
I think the phrase 'you made you bed...etc' seems to apply here...
"prison is now more demanding"??
Did they expect to be a day at the pub or tea and crumpets all round for criminals?
I think the phrase 'you made you bed...etc' seems to apply here...
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Posted:
thats horrible!!!!
shouldn't they be extending sentences not reducing them for these scum of the earth?
I like the castration idea....talk about fixing a problem forever!!!
and for the domestic violence purpurtraiters.....them we can just beat untill they cant move
scumbags!!!!
thats horrible!!!!shouldn't they be extending sentences not reducing them for these scum of the earth?
I like the castration idea....talk about fixing a problem forever!!!
and for the domestic violence purpurtraiters.....them we can just beat untill they cant move
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I dunno if castration would fix it though.. Some people would find ways of degrading and defiling other people regardless of whether their gonads were intact.
Hell, I don't understand how my television is more important than my humanity and sanity.
What it comes down to is not that jail is "more demanding"... its just "more expensive"...
Which begs the question - what price justice?
I dunno if castration would fix it though.. Some people would find ways of degrading and defiling other people regardless of whether their gonads were intact.
Hell, I don't understand how my television is more important than my humanity and sanity.
What it comes down to is not that jail is "more demanding"... its just "more expensive"...
Which begs the question - what price justice?
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this has extremely appalled me
many of you know how strong i feel about this subject from my first serious topic in here was about women partially blamed for being raped this seems to be the topping on the cake from the government and they make me sick
i was with for a few years womens aid who are refuges sister charity... they helped me get back on my feet and where i am today by giving me a place to live and feel safe and get my life back on track, i received councelling, help, support, days out with my child and more importantly a life that was secure and away from where my life once was heading.
it has discusted me that our government would think that reducing sentances would make it easier and that prison is too demanded now.... jesus christ cant our bloody prime minister make prisons seperate or something and make them highly strict for people who commit these crimes, they deserve to be put in the stocks and let people humiliate them and to recieve the suffering the women have suffered from there hands by members of the public naked and cold and humiliated is the best ways in my mind.... make sure there face is all over the news and that every woman knows to look out for these people
im not living 150 miles from friends and family for the fun of it i moved because i feared my life from a man like this and i really dont want the same to happen to most women in this country that suffer this because there abuser will be released 6 months later and not 6 years
it takes years to rebuild your life and not months and it helps to know the abuser cant hurt you whilst you are rebuilding your life.
granted you never get over it but boy you get stronger with time and time is what the women need to rebuild there lives and strength....
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this has extremely appalled me
many of you know how strong i feel about this subject from my first serious topic in here was about women partially blamed for being raped this seems to be the topping on the cake from the government and they make me sick
i was with for a few years womens aid who are refuges sister charity... they helped me get back on my feet and where i am today by giving me a place to live and feel safe and get my life back on track, i received councelling, help, support, days out with my child and more importantly a life that was secure and away from where my life once was heading.
it has discusted me that our government would think that reducing sentances would make it easier and that prison is too demanded now.... jesus christ cant our bloody prime minister make prisons seperate or something and make them highly strict for people who commit these crimes, they deserve to be put in the stocks and let people humiliate them and to recieve the suffering the women have suffered from there hands by members of the public naked and cold and humiliated is the best ways in my mind.... make sure there face is all over the news and that every woman knows to look out for these people
im not living 150 miles from friends and family for the fun of it i moved because i feared my life from a man like this and i really dont want the same to happen to most women in this country that suffer this because there abuser will be released 6 months later and not 6 years
it takes years to rebuild your life and not months and it helps to know the abuser cant hurt you whilst you are rebuilding your life.
granted you never get over it but boy you get stronger with time and time is what the women need to rebuild there lives and strength....
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yes that is true but it would be a good start for retribution
how about mandatory labotomies for these let them drool the rest of thier lives and they will never hurt another person again 
and lets not forget this isnt just men doing this I know because I was physically and mentally abused for seven years by my ex.....just not sexually abused ..... I've had to lie to friends, family, doctors about black eyes, dislocations, and broken bones, all because I couldn't bring myself to defend myself and strike back against a girl .... but never again will I allow myself to be in that kind of situation.....not many men can admit to it because they think it makes them "less of a man" but its time abused men start to come forward and shed light on this too because it happens more than you'd think and most people think its just women who get abused because men dont speak up when thier abused
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I dunno if castration would fix it though.. Some people would find ways of degrading and defiling other people regardless of whether their gonads were intact.
yes that is true but it would be a good start for retribution
how about mandatory labotomies for these let them drool the rest of thier lives and they will never hurt another person again and lets not forget this isnt just men doing this I know because I was physically and mentally abused for seven years by my ex.....just not sexually abused ..... I've had to lie to friends, family, doctors about black eyes, dislocations, and broken bones, all because I couldn't bring myself to defend myself and strike back against a girl .... but never again will I allow myself to be in that kind of situation.....not many men can admit to it because they think it makes them "less of a man" but its time abused men start to come forward and shed light on this too because it happens more than you'd think and most people think its just women who get abused because men dont speak up when thier abused
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The correct penalty for rape is to abort the rapist. Castrations, lobotomies, prison, all of these are less ideal solutions. Abortion of the rapist will do the best job of removing his influence on society. As far as his moral rights are concerned, either he will cease to exist (and thus we need not worry about how he feels about it), or he will meet God who will determine what the proper punishment truly is.
One can object that execution is unfair to those falsely convicted of rape, but it is less unfair than castration, lobotomies, or prison. Each of these serves to make the falsely convicted person live a life of misery. Death either annihilates his consciousness altogether, or send him to God who will compensate him appropriately for his unjust loss of life.
The correct penalty for rape is to abort the rapist. Castrations, lobotomies, prison, all of these are less ideal solutions. Abortion of the rapist will do the best job of removing his influence on society. As far as his moral rights are concerned, either he will cease to exist (and thus we need not worry about how he feels about it), or he will meet God who will determine what the proper punishment truly is.
One can object that execution is unfair to those falsely convicted of rape, but it is less unfair than castration, lobotomies, or prison. Each of these serves to make the falsely convicted person live a life of misery. Death either annihilates his consciousness altogether, or send him to God who will compensate him appropriately for his unjust loss of life.
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The majority of things which make it to 'consideration' often don't make it any further. However, it's shocking that someone could have proposed it to begin with. I think those penalties should be harshened if anything.
But. If you think about it, proposing lighter sentencing for rapists could be a strategic step to get harsher sentencing. If people heard straight out that sentencing would be harshened, they'd be yeah, good show, and stop talking about it. Now that we hear it could be lightened, we're talking about castration, capital punishment, letting them rot in jail forever etc.
I'm personally for harsher sentencing, but this is trying to look at the whole issue objectively. ymmv.
The majority of things which make it to 'consideration' often don't make it any further. However, it's shocking that someone could have proposed it to begin with. I think those penalties should be harshened if anything.
But. If you think about it, proposing lighter sentencing for rapists could be a strategic step to get harsher sentencing. If people heard straight out that sentencing would be harshened, they'd be yeah, good show, and stop talking about it. Now that we hear it could be lightened, we're talking about castration, capital punishment, letting them rot in jail forever etc.
I'm personally for harsher sentencing, but this is trying to look at the whole issue objectively. ymmv.
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More relevant news, if anyone's interested:
Re-election promises- to tighten sex assault laws.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/060316/21/y953.html
They know what the public want.
More relevant news, if anyone's interested:
Re-election promises- to tighten sex assault laws.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/060316/21/y953.html
They know what the public want.
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that article has made my blood boil. How can they think of letting scum like that back out...
Or actually maybe it would be better to let them out and let the public know the release date so we can deal with them the way that they obviously won't be dealt with by the law.
that article has made my blood boil. How can they think of letting scum like that back out...
Or actually maybe it would be better to let them out and let the public know the release date so we can deal with them the way that they obviously won't be dealt with by the law.
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I have my gardening shears at the ready...
Either that or have THAT scene from 'Sin City' continuously looped on a DVD...
I have my gardening shears at the ready...
Either that or have THAT scene from 'Sin City' continuously looped on a DVD...
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I'm lost I never watched sin city so I don't know what reference you are using.
I think that the legal beagles who thoughts this was the best thing should rethink as i am pretty sure that if they start releasing these scum of the earth that there will be a number of vigilante style beatings, kilings and "shearings" which is not really what we need in today's day and age.
I'm lost I never watched sin city so I don't know what reference you are using.
I think that the legal beagles who thoughts this was the best thing should rethink as i am pretty sure that if they start releasing these scum of the earth that there will be a number of vigilante style beatings, kilings and "shearings" which is not really what we need in today's day and age.
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I was trying to keep quiet, but I just have to say something.
So what do you want - lynchmobs or no lynchmobs? I'm getting a bit confused!
I'm in no way supporting any rapists. But there are those who do it because something's not right in their brains. Yes, they SHOULD be put away. But if they're not it's the fault of the legal system, and self-justice on them would not help.
Everyone who's not a pathological case should at least get one more chance. It's proven that those who had a bad childhood and have been raped/beaten are more likely to do the same, so they deserve a chance to see their faults, get aggression-therapy and start a new life.
I know I'm over-simplifying matters and there are cases that are impossible to judge, or get mis-judged, and it only hurts the victims if these are released. I can't solve this problem, but as has been said before, I doubt cutting bits off will solve it either. I'm once more shocked at the amount of aggression on here though
It's a highly sensitive topic, I know, but some things are going too far.
Thinking of applying torture shows that you're willing to sacrifice human rights for the purpose of revenge, and makes you not that much better than those who sacrifice human rights for the purpose of their aggression or sex drive.
Peace.
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let the public know the release date so we can deal with them the way that they obviously won't be dealt with by the law.
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there will be a number of vigilante style beatings, kilings and "shearings" which is not really what we need in today's day and age.
So what do you want - lynchmobs or no lynchmobs? I'm getting a bit confused!
I'm in no way supporting any rapists. But there are those who do it because something's not right in their brains. Yes, they SHOULD be put away. But if they're not it's the fault of the legal system, and self-justice on them would not help.
Everyone who's not a pathological case should at least get one more chance. It's proven that those who had a bad childhood and have been raped/beaten are more likely to do the same, so they deserve a chance to see their faults, get aggression-therapy and start a new life.
I know I'm over-simplifying matters and there are cases that are impossible to judge, or get mis-judged, and it only hurts the victims if these are released. I can't solve this problem, but as has been said before, I doubt cutting bits off will solve it either. I'm once more shocked at the amount of aggression on here though
It's a highly sensitive topic, I know, but some things are going too far.Thinking of applying torture shows that you're willing to sacrifice human rights for the purpose of revenge, and makes you not that much better than those who sacrifice human rights for the purpose of their aggression or sex drive.
Peace.
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I wouldn't be joining in the lynch mobs and not condoning it but i wouldn't cry if they did it...
If you read the posts they pretty much the same thing....I meant that thing...I don't condone violence but many people will that is what i meant by realease the date.
I understand that there are a lot of people out there who will want to string them up no matter what I have to say about the matter.
What I was saying is that we don't need more violence by condoning these lynch mobs which is what the public will get to if they feel justice is not properly served.
I wouldn't be joining in the lynch mobs and not condoning it but i wouldn't cry if they did it...
If you read the posts they pretty much the same thing....I meant that thing...I don't condone violence but many people will that is what i meant by realease the date.
I understand that there are a lot of people out there who will want to string them up no matter what I have to say about the matter.
What I was saying is that we don't need more violence by condoning these lynch mobs which is what the public will get to if they feel justice is not properly served.
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Cool - I misunderstood the "maybe it would be better to..." and "we can deal with them..." I guess! I thought it was actually what you thought was right and you'd join in...
Cool - I misunderstood the "maybe it would be better to..." and "we can deal with them..." I guess! I thought it was actually what you thought was right and you'd join in...
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Birgit you're completely right about giving everyone a second chance
I've posted in threads like this before so i'm pretty sure people know that I was abused at 15 years old.
The guy that attacked me was my boyfriend at the time, I was a virgin. After I got over the trauma and shock, I forgave him. I didnt see him til 3 years later when I discovered he's become a fireman and is really doing well.
He's been so apologetic, and although it's pretty much turned my life upside down, it's nice to see a silver lining.
And instead of people cutting his bits of with shears, he's out there saving lives (instead of destroying them).
Birgit you're completely right about giving everyone a second chance
I've posted in threads like this before so i'm pretty sure people know that I was abused at 15 years old.
The guy that attacked me was my boyfriend at the time, I was a virgin. After I got over the trauma and shock, I forgave him. I didnt see him til 3 years later when I discovered he's become a fireman and is really doing well.
He's been so apologetic, and although it's pretty much turned my life upside down, it's nice to see a silver lining.
And instead of people cutting his bits of with shears, he's out there saving lives (instead of destroying them).
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Should second chances be distributed to those who "couldn't help themselves" or to those who could.
Those who couldn't help themselves (they just went crazy) are incapable of controling their own actions. Giving them a second chance would do them little good, since they have no choice in what they are doing.
Perhaps we should instead give the second chances to those who were capable of choosing not to rape, but decided to do it anyways. Those people have the ability to be reformed so that they can choose to do otherwise in the future.
Should second chances be distributed to those who "couldn't help themselves" or to those who could.
Those who couldn't help themselves (they just went crazy) are incapable of controling their own actions. Giving them a second chance would do them little good, since they have no choice in what they are doing.
Perhaps we should instead give the second chances to those who were capable of choosing not to rape, but decided to do it anyways. Those people have the ability to be reformed so that they can choose to do otherwise in the future.
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Thanks Jo With my "nice" ex, I just hope he finds his peace some day, but I wouldn't mind if that was on the other side of the planet. I still don't hate him - hate is a sign of fear and inability to deal with it. I pity him for the life he's had and what it made out of him.
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exactly what I said
Thanks Jo
With my "nice" ex, I just hope he finds his peace some day, but I wouldn't mind if that was on the other side of the planet. I still don't hate him - hate is a sign of fear and inability to deal with it. I pity him for the life he's had and what it made out of him.Patriarch:
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Everyone who's NOT a pathological case should at least get one more chance
exactly what I said
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I'll probably admit I was being a bit reactionary in relation to the article, especially with the vigilantism angle (I too don't condone violence, except in self defence). I'm usually such a believer in redemption too. Nothing is ever black and white in this world, I like to think of the best in people but cannot tolerate the worst.
Was very heartened to hear your story - not the beginning of it obviously - but how it turned out. I suppose more than a few cases are perpetrated by people close to the victim and the victims should have some say on whether or they choose to forgive them. You have to ask whether the act itself was something that got out of hand or was pure malice. You have to ask whether the victim is geniunely forgiving or blinded by love instead of leaving the decision PURELY in the hands of reactionaries like myself.
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Birgit you're completely right about giving everyone a second chance
I've posted in threads like this before so i'm pretty sure people know that I was abused at 15 years old.
The guy that attacked me was my boyfriend at the time, I was a virgin. After I got over the trauma and shock, I forgave him. I didnt see him til 3 years later when I discovered he's become a fireman and is really doing well.
He's been so apologetic, and although it's pretty much turned my life upside down, it's nice to see a silver lining.
And instead of people cutting his bits of with shears, he's out there saving lives (instead of destroying them).
I'll probably admit I was being a bit reactionary in relation to the article, especially with the vigilantism angle (I too don't condone violence, except in self defence). I'm usually such a believer in redemption too. Nothing is ever black and white in this world, I like to think of the best in people but cannot tolerate the worst.
Was very heartened to hear your story - not the beginning of it obviously - but how it turned out. I suppose more than a few cases are perpetrated by people close to the victim and the victims should have some say on whether or they choose to forgive them. You have to ask whether the act itself was something that got out of hand or was pure malice. You have to ask whether the victim is geniunely forgiving or blinded by love instead of leaving the decision PURELY in the hands of reactionaries like myself.
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It doesn’t really stop them. They can still commit assaults with objects. I read a few places out of felons own mouths that castration doesn’t really work. Besides that there are ways around it. Some even buy hormones off the black market
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I suppose castration's out of the question... It's cheaper if it's money they're worried about...
It doesn’t really stop them. They can still commit assaults with objects. I read a few places out of felons own mouths that castration doesn’t really work. Besides that there are ways around it. Some even buy hormones off the black market
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Thats true faithinfire. I've heard of cases where they would use coca cola bottles, because coca-cola is worldwide and everyday, each time the victim saw it, she/he would be constantly reminded. I think this is sick. Personally, I'd have a very hard time forgiving anyone who did that. People who go out to purposefully destroy other's lives.
Thats true faithinfire. I've heard of cases where they would use coca cola bottles, because coca-cola is worldwide and everyday, each time the victim saw it, she/he would be constantly reminded. I think this is sick. Personally, I'd have a very hard time forgiving anyone who did that. People who go out to purposefully destroy other's lives.
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by forgiving someone you show your power over them
i know it takes time and strength, and it's not simple at all, but by showing they can't hurt you, you are stronger. i was shocked at the amount of agression on here too. i thought HoPpers were more centered than that
by forgiving someone you show your power over them
i know it takes time and strength, and it's not simple at all, but by showing they can't hurt you, you are stronger. i was shocked at the amount of agression on here too. i thought HoPpers were more centered than that
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Has sharp edges
1,266 posts
Location: Stuck in the mire, USA
Has sharp edges
1,266 posts
Location: Stuck in the mire, USA
Posted:
I can only speak about what happens in America but in these parts it seems that most sex offenders are repeat offenders and giving them a "second chance" means they get a second chance to abuse someone......I say lock them up and throw away the key seeing as castration would be considered crule and unusual punishment
I can only speak about what happens in America but in these parts it seems that most sex offenders are repeat offenders and giving them a "second chance" means they get a second chance to abuse someone......I say lock them up and throw away the key seeing as castration would be considered crule and unusual punishment
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6,650 posts
6,650 posts
Posted:
Raises the question: Is a criminal a criminal by choice, or is s/he a product of education and society... ?
I believe the reasons to be many and that society has to deal with it's own (flawed) products and to face the challenge. Neither capital punishment, nor any other rigid penalty is going to make the big difference (IMHO).... unfortunately...
Reducing the penalty though is an unspeakable and attempt. What sick mind is coming up with crap like this? *shakes head*
Maybe bothering the public with crap like this should be made illegal? Like: spend a week in a home for the victims, wearing a sign: "I'm pro rapists!" would be a creative punishment?
Besides: Castration has proven to be inadequate and sometimes led to more horrid actions of the perpetrators in the past... Generally I'm inclined to agree that once one has crossed a certain border, the time to meditate upon it should be VERY long!
EDITED_BY: FireTom (1143000675)
Raises the question: Is a criminal a criminal by choice, or is s/he a product of education and society... ?
I believe the reasons to be many and that society has to deal with it's own (flawed) products and to face the challenge. Neither capital punishment, nor any other rigid penalty is going to make the big difference (IMHO).... unfortunately...
Reducing the penalty though is an unspeakable and
attempt. What sick mind is coming up with crap like this? *shakes head* Maybe bothering the public with crap like this should be made illegal? Like: spend a week in a home for the victims, wearing a sign: "I'm pro rapists!" would be a creative punishment?
Besides: Castration has proven to be inadequate and sometimes led to more horrid actions of the perpetrators in the past... Generally I'm inclined to agree that once one has crossed a certain border, the time to meditate upon it should be VERY long!
EDITED_BY: FireTom (1143000675)
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commander of coffee
31 posts
Location: Wellington bro, New Zealand
commander of coffee
31 posts
Location: Wellington bro, New Zealand
Posted:
"justice system" BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here you get 25 years if you do something really nasty, like multiple murders combined with raping half the country...
I do not agree with the death sentence and castration.
The death penalty is too easy, and castration, could come with a lot of unpleasant side effects. If the prisoner reacts adversly to their "punishment" could trigger repeat offences in more horrific crimes. You would be pretty angry if you got castrated, for whatever reason.
Maybe they should be used for medical testing...
You just imagine right now the politicians thinking about the money they will save reducing sentences, even for repeat offenders. The criminals would spend more time on the outside,which in politician theory would equal less money you would have to spend on the prison system.
The politicians would surely would know that the population in the country is growing in numbers, which would mean more people, more criminals, which would also mean more prison space. If they can "ship them through" a little quicker then they won't have to build more prisons.
Sounds good for 2 minutes. Then, you get into things like needing more police, and more courts. But hey, politicians can generally only think about one very narrow topic at a time.
Did I just say that??
I read in a few news articles recently that going to jail here is apparently sweet. Internet, porn, cell phones, tv, fish and chips, gym....
I often wondered why people wanted to go to jail...
Not impressed....
I think I smoke too much....
"justice system" BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here you get 25 years if you do something really nasty, like multiple murders combined with raping half the country...
I do not agree with the death sentence and castration.
The death penalty is too easy, and castration, could come with a lot of unpleasant side effects. If the prisoner reacts adversly to their "punishment" could trigger repeat offences in more horrific crimes. You would be pretty angry if you got castrated, for whatever reason.
Maybe they should be used for medical testing...
You just imagine right now the politicians thinking about the money they will save reducing sentences, even for repeat offenders. The criminals would spend more time on the outside,which in politician theory would equal less money you would have to spend on the prison system.
The politicians would surely would know that the population in the country is growing in numbers, which would mean more people, more criminals, which would also mean more prison space. If they can "ship them through" a little quicker then they won't have to build more prisons.
Sounds good for 2 minutes. Then, you get into things like needing more police, and more courts. But hey, politicians can generally only think about one very narrow topic at a time.
Did I just say that??
I read in a few news articles recently that going to jail here is apparently sweet. Internet, porn, cell phones, tv, fish and chips, gym....
I often wondered why people wanted to go to jail...
Not impressed....
I think I smoke too much....
Did you know if a pigeon doesn't bob its head when it is walking, it will fall over...
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newbie
17 posts
Location: Münchendorf, AUSTRIA
newbie
17 posts
Location: Münchendorf, AUSTRIA
Posted:
Well from my point of view, neither castration nor death penalty nor self justice is the right way. I'm not sure if I know a way to deal with these crimes and those who commit it but I'll try.
First: As you truly say, forgiving is an act that requires a lot of strength and courage. On the other hand I can understand people who've been raped if they don't want to or just can't forgive this (mostly) man. I'm not sure if I could but then I'm not likely to be raped. But forginving is something, that can just be done by the victim.
Second: Even if I forgive this person, I would want to be sure he can't harm me again. There are two possibilities to reach this target. Either get help from the outside in form of the police that puts him in jail, or from friends that protect me. The other way is to defend myself, by learning how to do this correctly (self-defense-course, if you're extreme get a weapon but I DON'T think that's the solution).
Third: What is with all the other people. How can they be kept safe? Well here is only the possibility to arrest the criminal and NEVER EVER let him out again.
If murder and rape are not equal there is not much difference between them either. I'd say treat the criminals committing one of these two with equal strength.
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Hilli
Well from my point of view, neither castration nor death penalty nor self justice is the right way. I'm not sure if I know a way to deal with these crimes and those who commit it but I'll try.
First: As you truly say, forgiving is an act that requires a lot of strength and courage. On the other hand I can understand people who've been raped if they don't want to or just can't forgive this (mostly) man. I'm not sure if I could but then I'm not likely to be raped. But forginving is something, that can just be done by the victim.
Second: Even if I forgive this person, I would want to be sure he can't harm me again. There are two possibilities to reach this target. Either get help from the outside in form of the police that puts him in jail, or from friends that protect me. The other way is to defend myself, by learning how to do this correctly (self-defense-course, if you're extreme get a weapon but I DON'T think that's the solution).
Third: What is with all the other people. How can they be kept safe? Well here is only the possibility to arrest the criminal and NEVER EVER let him out again.
If murder and rape are not equal there is not much difference between them either. I'd say treat the criminals committing one of these two with equal strength.
twirling greets
Hilli
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