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Try thinking of one hand on top of the other, rather than one hand in front of the other. The butterfly is always going to feel easier with your dominant hand on top of the other, but don't forget to practice this move with your weaker hand on top too.
Try to remember not to cross your hands, and teach yourself this move in both directions FWD ( poi going down on the outsides of the circles ) and REV ( poi going up on the outsides of the circles)
Once you've gotten the hang of the move, then try alternating switching hands from top to bottom, that'll put you on the road to Thread The Needle.
Try thinking of one hand on top of the other, rather than one hand in front of the other. The butterfly is always going to feel easier with your dominant hand on top of the other, but don't forget to practice this move with your weaker hand on top too.
Try to remember not to cross your hands, and teach yourself this move in both directions FWD ( poi going down on the outsides of the circles ) and REV ( poi going up on the outsides of the circles)
Once you've gotten the hang of the move, then try alternating switching hands from top to bottom, that'll put you on the road to Thread The Needle.
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they arnt quite spinning in the same plane so they almost hit each other but dont. start spinning wheel plane circles (at your sides) and slowly start to pivit the circles in wards so they look lik /\ from above and keep on going until they are almost flat. good luck
they arnt quite spinning in the same plane so they almost hit each other but dont. start spinning wheel plane circles (at your sides) and slowly start to pivit the circles in wards so they look lik /\ from above and keep on going until they are almost flat. good luck
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You do have to get through X but when you get to it, just think " right poi on top, right poi on top........." assuming you're right handed that is. Or it might help to think that your left poi is spinning slightly ahead of your right poi.. I know this move doesn't seem like it should work, but with a little perseverance, you'll discover it does.
Try slowing down your spinning too. It's been my experience that most people tend to spin their poi to fast,,,, relax
Wait until you hit the three beat weave... now there's a move that doesn't seem like it should work
You do have to get through X but when you get to it, just think " right poi on top, right poi on top........." assuming you're right handed that is. Or it might help to think that your left poi is spinning slightly ahead of your right poi.. I know this move doesn't seem like it should work, but with a little perseverance, you'll discover it does.
Try slowing down your spinning too. It's been my experience that most people tend to spin their poi to fast,,,, relax
Wait until you hit the three beat weave... now there's a move that doesn't seem like it should work
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LOL,,there's a few " cracking yourself in the nuts" threads around here...So you got it once,, that should instill a little faith in the idea that the BF can be done.
LOL,,there's a few " cracking yourself in the nuts" threads around here...So you got it once,, that should instill a little faith in the idea that the BF can be done.
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But it does work....You might try spinning two flat circles in front of you, in the BF pattern ( one going one way, one going the other ) with your hands separated, and then slowly start bringing them together...one just slightly ahead of the other.
But it does work....You might try spinning two flat circles in front of you, in the BF pattern ( one going one way, one going the other ) with your hands separated, and then slowly start bringing them together...one just slightly ahead of the other.
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Don't think that you have to uderstand it all to do it.
Just keep going and it will happen.
Realize that the poi movements happen in 4 dimensions (forward-back, up-down, left -right, past- future) and that is how seemingly impossible things happen
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Don't think that you have to uderstand it all to do it.
Just keep going and it will happen.
Realize that the poi movements happen in 4 dimensions (forward-back, up-down, left -right, past- future) and that is how seemingly impossible things happen
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Try and think of it as what the strings are doing rather than the poi heads. If you're doing the butterfly where the heads are going inward at the top on the circle, then the string (or chain or whatever) that's in your left hand will come down in front (as in before time wise, but only slightly) the one in your right hand.
https://domorepoi.com/poi_fire_spinning_lesson_butterfly.php
This link has the butterfly, and you can freeze each individual frame. Just look what the socks do near his hands to get an idea of what I'm on about.
Try and think of it as what the strings are doing rather than the poi heads. If you're doing the butterfly where the heads are going inward at the top on the circle, then the string (or chain or whatever) that's in your left hand will come down in front (as in before time wise, but only slightly) the one in your right hand.
https://domorepoi.com/poi_fire_spinning_lesson_butterfly.php
This link has the butterfly, and you can freeze each individual frame. Just look what the socks do near his hands to get an idea of what I'm on about.
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We've all been there at one time or another, well most of us have anyway. Feeling like an unco-ordinated dork is all part of the learning curve, it's part of the realization that poi spinning isn't as easy as it looks.
And it gets worse,,,,much worse,,,, you'll see.
Just out of curiosity, are you working with tailed poi?? If so, that could be a large part of your problem, sure they look nice but they over complicate learning at this stage of the game.
Making a pair of sock poi will help lessen the frustration. When they tangle they're easy to pull apart and you can get right back to beating yourself silly.
We've all been there at one time or another, well most of us have anyway. Feeling like an unco-ordinated dork is all part of the learning curve, it's part of the realization that poi spinning isn't as easy as it looks.
And it gets worse,,,,much worse,,,, you'll see.
Just out of curiosity, are you working with tailed poi?? If so, that could be a large part of your problem, sure they look nice but they over complicate learning at this stage of the game.
Making a pair of sock poi will help lessen the frustration. When they tangle they're easy to pull apart and you can get right back to beating yourself silly.
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yea, just keep practising it, if you can do it one time out of 5 , youll soon get it 1 time out of one and then youll be really confused as to why it wasnt working in the first place..
yea, just keep practising it, if you can do it one time out of 5 , youll soon get it 1 time out of one and then youll be really confused as to why it wasnt working in the first place..
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you can cure uncordination with practise, the first time you do anything it feels really strange and uncordinated... i was also very uncordinated... i still am ... when i first started spinning poi but it is a good way to learn co ordiantion, dont worry if it takes a little bit of effort.. that is the fun
you can cure uncordination with practise, the first time you do anything it feels really strange and uncordinated... i was also very uncordinated... i still am ... when i first started spinning poi but it is a good way to learn co ordiantion, dont worry if it takes a little bit of effort.. that is the fun
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They shouldn't do that no no no
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yea, keep at it, i had the same problem(i could have written exactly what you just wrote), but have since learnt to juggle badly... from where you are now though that took me about 3 years...
yea, keep at it, i had the same problem(i could have written exactly what you just wrote), but have since learnt to juggle badly... from where you are now though that took me about 3 years...
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Just swing one hand over the other with a slightly different rate in each hand; one hand just a second ahead of the other hand.
Just swing one hand over the other with a slightly different rate in each hand; one hand just a second ahead of the other hand.
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ok here is how i got the butterfly to work.
i am right handed but feel more comfortable with right hand on bottom.
place your left hand in front out you palm facing check. makes the thumbs up sign with right hand. place thumb into palm of left hand. now just slightly tip your combined hands forward a bit so from the side it would look like / in relation to the ground.
this will keep the strings from tangling as much if at all. now move your "hand" up on the upswing and down on the down swing to help keep the momentum going and fingers go out a bit on the upswing and in on the down. This is for butterflys that come up in the center and down on the outside.
if this explanation is bad please forgive as i spent 6 hours driving and 5 hours in 27 degree weather today. I can make a video if need be.
don't give up it is doable and i was not able to crack butterflys until this was shown to me.
ok here is how i got the butterfly to work.
i am right handed but feel more comfortable with right hand on bottom.
place your left hand in front out you palm facing check. makes the thumbs up sign with right hand. place thumb into palm of left hand. now just slightly tip your combined hands forward a bit so from the side it would look like / in relation to the ground.
this will keep the strings from tangling as much if at all. now move your "hand" up on the upswing and down on the down swing to help keep the momentum going and fingers go out a bit on the upswing and in on the down. This is for butterflys that come up in the center and down on the outside.
if this explanation is bad please forgive as i spent 6 hours driving and 5 hours in 27 degree weather today. I can make a video if need be.
don't give up it is doable and i was not able to crack butterflys until this was shown to me.
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Speed up slightly when the two wicks cross
Speed up slightly when the two wicks cross
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one of the ways i tell people to try butterflys is with alternating "flapping" hands. For this to work you must be using your fingers to hold the poi. I know this sounds obvious, but many beginners put the poi handles all the way down to the base of their fingers and make a fist when trying to spin. This hold can technically work, but sacrifices a lot of flexibility and control. I keep my poi handles in the bend of the joint of the tip of my fingers.
Do this, Hold both hands out in front of you, palms down (no poi in hands for now).
Now, put your dominent hand more or less directly over your other (lets assume right hand over left). Keep a couple inches seperation for now. We will call this the Mid position.
Now bend the fingers of your bottom (left) hand down towards the ground, ONLY the bottom (left) hand. we will call this the Down position.
Now flatten out the bottom hand again (back to mid position)
Now bend your top (right) hand UP at the wrist. ONLY the top hand. We will call this the UP position.
cycle through these 3 positions a bit always making sure to put a MID position between ups and downs. so "Up - mid - down - mid - up - mid - down - mid - up - mid - down" etc.
What you have just learned is the place/way to hold your hands for the butterfly (or one way that works at least). Now when you are attempting the butterfly, when the poi are pointing vertically UP your hands should be in the UP position, when they are pointing out to either side (crossed or not) your hands are in the mid position, and when they are pointing down, your hands should be in the down position.
This slight flapping movement serves 2 purposes, it keeps the poi slightly out of plane with each other, and also serves to keep a seperation between them that will allow the poi to not hit each other at the top/bottom of the swing.
Now I know this is not the ONLY way to do a butterfly, but it has been a good way for me to teach a couple of my buddies how to do it, and its a good place to start.
Another quick tip that seems to help: While you COULD start the poi spinning apart from each other and then work them together, this may prove hard for many beginners. Instead, hold the poi semi close to each other and start swining alternate pendulums with one slightly in front of the other. (picture 2 clock pendulums swinging one in front of the other, but in split time, so they are always going in opposite directions). Then, when you are ready, just kinda jerk the poi around into the rest of the circle, basically swinging up directly into butterfly and starting the Flapping.
hope that helps. Good luck.
one of the ways i tell people to try butterflys is with alternating "flapping" hands. For this to work you must be using your fingers to hold the poi. I know this sounds obvious, but many beginners put the poi handles all the way down to the base of their fingers and make a fist when trying to spin. This hold can technically work, but sacrifices a lot of flexibility and control. I keep my poi handles in the bend of the joint of the tip of my fingers.
Do this, Hold both hands out in front of you, palms down (no poi in hands for now).
Now, put your dominent hand more or less directly over your other (lets assume right hand over left). Keep a couple inches seperation for now. We will call this the Mid position.
Now bend the fingers of your bottom (left) hand down towards the ground, ONLY the bottom (left) hand. we will call this the Down position.
Now flatten out the bottom hand again (back to mid position)
Now bend your top (right) hand UP at the wrist. ONLY the top hand. We will call this the UP position.
cycle through these 3 positions a bit always making sure to put a MID position between ups and downs. so "Up - mid - down - mid - up - mid - down - mid - up - mid - down" etc.
What you have just learned is the place/way to hold your hands for the butterfly (or one way that works at least). Now when you are attempting the butterfly, when the poi are pointing vertically UP your hands should be in the UP position, when they are pointing out to either side (crossed or not) your hands are in the mid position, and when they are pointing down, your hands should be in the down position.
This slight flapping movement serves 2 purposes, it keeps the poi slightly out of plane with each other, and also serves to keep a seperation between them that will allow the poi to not hit each other at the top/bottom of the swing.
Now I know this is not the ONLY way to do a butterfly, but it has been a good way for me to teach a couple of my buddies how to do it, and its a good place to start.
Another quick tip that seems to help: While you COULD start the poi spinning apart from each other and then work them together, this may prove hard for many beginners. Instead, hold the poi semi close to each other and start swining alternate pendulums with one slightly in front of the other. (picture 2 clock pendulums swinging one in front of the other, but in split time, so they are always going in opposite directions). Then, when you are ready, just kinda jerk the poi around into the rest of the circle, basically swinging up directly into butterfly and starting the Flapping.
hope that helps. Good luck.
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I always find it really odd, trying to realise written instructions..... unfortunately it's far easier to give someone help when you're standing next to them.......
Try spinning your poi in front of you like they're a giant pair of spectacles...... slowly bring your hands together......
Keep practising too...... i can remember being totally confused when i was starting..... and then all of a sudden you'll get it......
But keep practising.....
I always find it really odd, trying to realise written instructions..... unfortunately it's far easier to give someone help when you're standing next to them.......
Try spinning your poi in front of you like they're a giant pair of spectacles...... slowly bring your hands together......
Keep practising too...... i can remember being totally confused when i was starting..... and then all of a sudden you'll get it......
But keep practising.....
It's a very interesting story, Future Boy....!
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