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I'd like to hear your opinion on rules/laws about carrying knives.
Now, you may think my opinion is a bit extreme, but this is how I grew up:
The first knives I encountered were owned by some of my friends in kindergarten. I wanted one then as well - my mum let me have one until I cut my finger cause this was the only way I'd accept I was too young
In primary school, nearly everyone had knives. We used them on school trips to sharpen sticks for roasting food over the fire, and had regular comparing sessions about whose knife had the most extra tools like saws, scissors etc.
In secondary school, it was pretty much the same. I also went to scouts, and of course knives were pretty handy there. When kids from other countries came on an exchange, one of the first things they'd do would be to run into a shop and buy knives and play with them, nearly killing themselves.
Now, my opinion is, if you get used to them early enough and know how to handle them, I can't see why you should be forbidden to carry them. We had them in school, and noone ever got hurt. In my opinion, the problem isn't the knives, it's the people that handle them.
I'm not saying laws over here should be more lax in general, cause obviously even with the laws that exist people get stabbed a lot. But then, if someone wants to kill somebody, they'll do it. With a knife, a gun, a screwdriver, by beating them up, whatever. I think calls for even tighter control are useless - whenever I hear about someone getting stabbed they didn't do it in school where knives are forbidden, but outside at the bus stop etc.
The most extreme case I heard was when I was in Canada, and a 7-y-old boy got expelled for 3 days because his mum had forgotten to defrost his bagel the night before, so she gave him a (normal, not big or extra-sharp) knife to cut it and put the jam on at lunch.
So, while my opinion is pretty much the "guns don't kill people, rappers do" for knives, what do you think?
I'd like to hear your opinion on rules/laws about carrying knives.
Now, you may think my opinion is a bit extreme, but this is how I grew up:
The first knives I encountered were owned by some of my friends in kindergarten. I wanted one then as well - my mum let me have one until I cut my finger cause this was the only way I'd accept I was too young
In primary school, nearly everyone had knives. We used them on school trips to sharpen sticks for roasting food over the fire, and had regular comparing sessions about whose knife had the most extra tools like saws, scissors etc.
In secondary school, it was pretty much the same. I also went to scouts, and of course knives were pretty handy there. When kids from other countries came on an exchange, one of the first things they'd do would be to run into a shop and buy knives and play with them, nearly killing themselves.
Now, my opinion is, if you get used to them early enough and know how to handle them, I can't see why you should be forbidden to carry them. We had them in school, and noone ever got hurt. In my opinion, the problem isn't the knives, it's the people that handle them.
I'm not saying laws over here should be more lax in general, cause obviously even with the laws that exist people get stabbed a lot. But then, if someone wants to kill somebody, they'll do it. With a knife, a gun, a screwdriver, by beating them up, whatever. I think calls for even tighter control are useless - whenever I hear about someone getting stabbed they didn't do it in school where knives are forbidden, but outside at the bus stop etc.
The most extreme case I heard was when I was in Canada, and a 7-y-old boy got expelled for 3 days because his mum had forgotten to defrost his bagel the night before, so she gave him a (normal, not big or extra-sharp) knife to cut it and put the jam on at lunch.
So, while my opinion is pretty much the "guns don't kill people, rappers do" for knives, what do you think?
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But without points, you can't look cool and hard with the knife in between the fingers thing
But without points, you can't look cool and hard with the knife in between the fingers thing
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Haha, and you wouldn't get half the adrenaline rush when juggling pointless knives.
Haha, and you wouldn't get half the adrenaline rush when juggling pointless knives.
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Sorry, people are banning KITCHEN knives because of violent crime? Why not ban bricks while you're at it? Why not ban crowbars? Why not Axes? Or climbing picks? Or cheesewire?
Hey, why don't we all live in padded rooms and have all our food pre-chewed for us??
I realise that huge kitchen knives aren't really that useful for anything, but I really don't think that it's necessary to ban them. Why don't you put resources into stopping and searching Chavs instead, and see how many knives *that* turns up?
Sorry, people are banning KITCHEN knives because of violent crime? Why not ban bricks while you're at it? Why not ban crowbars? Why not Axes? Or climbing picks? Or cheesewire?
Hey, why don't we all live in padded rooms and have all our food pre-chewed for us??
I realise that huge kitchen knives aren't really that useful for anything, but I really don't think that it's necessary to ban them. Why don't you put resources into stopping and searching Chavs instead, and see how many knives *that* turns up?
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It's nothing to do with banning kitchen knives.
It's about recognising that points on long kitchen knives are-
1. unnecessary- tasks in the kitchen requiring a point are better performed with a short pointed knife
2. long kitchen knives are used in a lot of assaults (more so than, say, bricks, axes and crowbars).
Another thing to bear in mind is that long, pointed kitchen knives, though not designed with killing in mind, are actually very suitable for it- more so than many blades which are designed for combat.
Lastly, knives are one of those weapons which, in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing; are lethal: but also, in the hands of someone who has no idea what they're doing ie who wildly thrashes around, also tend to be fairly lethal.
ie not only are long pointed kitchen knives ideal for use in an assualt, they are actually used in a lot of assualts.
It's nothing to do with banning kitchen knives.
It's about recognising that points on long kitchen knives are-
1. unnecessary- tasks in the kitchen requiring a point are better performed with a short pointed knife
2. long kitchen knives are used in a lot of assaults (more so than, say, bricks, axes and crowbars).
Another thing to bear in mind is that long, pointed kitchen knives, though not designed with killing in mind, are actually very suitable for it- more so than many blades which are designed for combat.
Lastly, knives are one of those weapons which, in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing; are lethal: but also, in the hands of someone who has no idea what they're doing ie who wildly thrashes around, also tend to be fairly lethal.
ie not only are long pointed kitchen knives ideal for use in an assualt, they are actually used in a lot of assualts.
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hmmm i use a large kitchen knife all the time (its about 10") mainly because tis the sharpest knife in the hosue and i hate slicing my fingers because a blunt knife slid off - and the point is useful
but i know what you mean Dave,
but in the end there are lots of pointy things around a house and i honestly think that banning knives would just increase the types of attacks
people would still be sliced up with blunt ended knives, or bread knives, or steels (the long thing you sharpen a knife on) or keys or pens, pencils or beaten with chopping boards
ultimatly in a rage you will use anything you can get your hands on as a weapon and many are as bad if not worse than a knife
in a way id rather be attacked by a pointed end knife than anything else - it at least will be a fairly clean cut and either instantly fatal or if i get to hospital it'll have a good clean up chance
being attacked up much else will leave you in a bad way for a long time as it will leave lots of mess inside.....
oh and a knife blade need only be about 1/2" to kill and 3" will be fatal in a lot of places....
hmmm i use a large kitchen knife all the time (its about 10") mainly because tis the sharpest knife in the hosue and i hate slicing my fingers because a blunt knife slid off - and the point is useful
but i know what you mean Dave,
but in the end there are lots of pointy things around a house and i honestly think that banning knives would just increase the types of attacks
people would still be sliced up with blunt ended knives, or bread knives, or steels (the long thing you sharpen a knife on) or keys or pens, pencils or beaten with chopping boards
ultimatly in a rage you will use anything you can get your hands on as a weapon and many are as bad if not worse than a knife
in a way id rather be attacked by a pointed end knife than anything else - it at least will be a fairly clean cut and either instantly fatal or if i get to hospital it'll have a good clean up chance
being attacked up much else will leave you in a bad way for a long time as it will leave lots of mess inside.....
oh and a knife blade need only be about 1/2" to kill and 3" will be fatal in a lot of places....
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To be honest, I'd much rather be stabbed than get hit by a blunt object (say a rolling pin).
Head trauma can mess you up big time. Knife wounds only leave a scar...
To be honest, I'd much rather be stabbed than get hit by a blunt object (say a rolling pin).
Head trauma can mess you up big time. Knife wounds only leave a scar...
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Being attacked with anything is potentially very bad (including being attacked with someone unharmed).
I suspect that if you ask the opinion of experts in the subject, and here I'm not talking about high ranking martial artists, but instead those who, through their situation or their work, have personally been involved in a lot of violence of all kinds; that they'd say a long, sharp, pointed knife, would be one of the last things they'd like to have to face.
I can pretty much guarantee that they'd prefer being attacked with a rolling pin, or with a pen, chopping board etc.
That's because it's feasible to defend against those objects, but, where long, sharp, pointed knives are concerned, you'll be very lucky to survive even if you do know what you're doing.
Being attacked with anything is potentially very bad (including being attacked with someone unharmed).
I suspect that if you ask the opinion of experts in the subject, and here I'm not talking about high ranking martial artists, but instead those who, through their situation or their work, have personally been involved in a lot of violence of all kinds; that they'd say a long, sharp, pointed knife, would be one of the last things they'd like to have to face.
I can pretty much guarantee that they'd prefer being attacked with a rolling pin, or with a pen, chopping board etc.
That's because it's feasible to defend against those objects, but, where long, sharp, pointed knives are concerned, you'll be very lucky to survive even if you do know what you're doing.
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it's still legal to carry a knife under 4" as far as i know, so you can still sharpen your sticks etc
it's still legal to carry a knife under 4" as far as i know, so you can still sharpen your sticks etc
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OK I guess what I really meant to say was that I see that excessively long knives are dangerous. Maybe they should be phased out, like people stop manufacturing knives over 8" or something. But a ban is just silly. Gradually doing it over time seems like a much better idea than having a ban, which tends to make people resentful, and cause endless arguments.
FRD, you've never been stabbed in a kidney before, have you?
I guess I'd prefer to be attacked with a knife as well, because so long as you can avoid getting stabbed deeply, you'll almost certainly survive. Also, they are relatively easy to block, because they tend not to do too much damage when they aren't stabbing. I'd hate to have a rolling pin aimed at me, because blocking that will in all liklihood break your arm. But then I've been doing Fencing and Martial Arts for quite a long time, so I appreciate that most people won't have the experience that I do of avoiding being stabbed
I assume you mean someone unarmed?
I can imagine someone picking up a person and hitting me with him/her! That'd be quite comical...
OK I guess what I really meant to say was that I see that excessively long knives are dangerous. Maybe they should be phased out, like people stop manufacturing knives over 8" or something. But a ban is just silly. Gradually doing it over time seems like a much better idea than having a ban, which tends to make people resentful, and cause endless arguments.
FRD, you've never been stabbed in a kidney before, have you?
I guess I'd prefer to be attacked with a knife as well, because so long as you can avoid getting stabbed deeply, you'll almost certainly survive. Also, they are relatively easy to block, because they tend not to do too much damage when they aren't stabbing. I'd hate to have a rolling pin aimed at me, because blocking that will in all liklihood break your arm. But then I've been doing Fencing and Martial Arts for quite a long time, so I appreciate that most people won't have the experience that I do of avoiding being stabbed
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including being attacked with someone unharmed
I assume you mean someone unarmed?
I can imagine someone picking up a person and hitting me with him/her! That'd be quite comical... After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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Ok - so i haven't read anything.
I love knives, I collect them - all types. I have decorative, bone, shank, toothed, old, new. Not to mention my cutlery - I have 3 sets of fine cutlery with lots of pointed knifes. Nice, shiny.
Some of them are my outside knives - and when I walk down to the store, because my neighborhood isn't all that great. I do carry a knife on my - hidden - but easy for me to get to. I'm not about to become one of those "young mother of three now dead" statistics.
The point on knives is crucial when you're a true cook in a kitchen - for the every-day routine cook it's not a necessity. However- I'm not the every day routine cook. I use my point when I'm handling delicate pieces that have tough skins - mellons, for example. And to properly prepare any fillet or other fine slice of meat that isn't firm (a steak is firm - catfish is not) then you need it.
If you're not the person out killing people then I don't see why you can't carry a big knife with you. Like Croc. Dundee (I know real Austrailians aren't like that) -- "Now this is a knife"
Anyway - my two rings worth.
Ok - so i haven't read anything.
I love knives, I collect them - all types. I have decorative, bone, shank, toothed, old, new. Not to mention my cutlery - I have 3 sets of fine cutlery with lots of pointed knifes. Nice, shiny.
Some of them are my outside knives - and when I walk down to the store, because my neighborhood isn't all that great. I do carry a knife on my - hidden - but easy for me to get to. I'm not about to become one of those "young mother of three now dead" statistics.
The point on knives is crucial when you're a true cook in a kitchen - for the every-day routine cook it's not a necessity. However- I'm not the every day routine cook. I use my point when I'm handling delicate pieces that have tough skins - mellons, for example. And to properly prepare any fillet or other fine slice of meat that isn't firm (a steak is firm - catfish is not) then you need it.
If you're not the person out killing people then I don't see why you can't carry a big knife with you. Like Croc. Dundee (I know real Austrailians aren't like that) -- "Now this is a knife"
Anyway - my two rings worth.
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beating them around the head with an unharmed person would harm both the attackee and the weapon, 2 birds with one stone you could say
and like julie says, knives that have points, need points. but the thing people seem to be missing is that it cant be one rule for you and a different one for all the dangerous people, cos how do you differentiate??
now i collect knives and weaponry, ok its not a huge collection, but im young and poor, but i have knives, a crossbow, and im saving for a nice big samurai sword (mmmm carbon steel) and i'd be lying if i said i wouldnt use them if somone attacked me (50lb crossbow is gonna sort out an arguement about whose stuff is in my house pretty quick) but the fact of the matter is, im (well i like to think i am) a responsible adult who isnt gonna have some stupid arguement over £2.50 and stab someone to death, or watch something in a film/videogame and recreate it, i like knives because they look pretty and can protect me if needs be, but there are people in the world who think "oooh knife i'll look big and clever if i stab this guy cos he just called me stupid"
beating them around the head with an unharmed person would harm both the attackee and the weapon, 2 birds with one stone you could say
and like julie says, knives that have points, need points. but the thing people seem to be missing is that it cant be one rule for you and a different one for all the dangerous people, cos how do you differentiate??
now i collect knives and weaponry, ok its not a huge collection, but im young and poor
, but i have knives, a crossbow, and im saving for a nice big samurai sword (mmmm carbon steel) and i'd be lying if i said i wouldnt use them if somone attacked me (50lb crossbow is gonna sort out an arguement about whose stuff is in my house pretty quick) but the fact of the matter is, im (well i like to think i am) a responsible adult who isnt gonna have some stupid arguement over £2.50 and stab someone to death, or watch something in a film/videogame and recreate it, i like knives because they look pretty and can protect me if needs be, but there are people in the world who think "oooh knife i'll look big and clever if i stab this guy cos he just called me stupid" Proudly Owned By The BMVC
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The problem with long sharp kitchen knives is that they're designed to cut through meat, which is what your arm is made of
So, if you do successfully block a knife thrust of someone who knows how to fight with a knife, he/she will simply withdraw it in such a way that it opens up your arm- at best that will mean a lot of pain and blood, at worst it'll sever your tendons and open up the veins running up your inner arm- leading to an arm that won't work and unconsciousness from massive blood loss.
Quickly followed by a flurry of further such attacks.
Sadly, even in the hands of someone who's got no idea of how to fight with a knife, the resulting random thrashings can result in exactly the same kind of lethal injuries.
The advice of anyone who knows what they're talking about where knife attacks are concerned will always be the same- avoid at all costs having to deal with it, ie, if possible, run away, if you have to engage it, find an object that can be used as a weapon- tackling a knife unarmed is pretty much suicidal; blocking a knife is not that feasible, and will lead to you getting cut.
If you want to try it out, get a friend to 'attack' you with a rubber knife covered in paint (and I mean a proper, chaotic, attack, not the 'single thrust and leave your arm stuck out' so often seen in martial arts demos), and see what colour your arms are afterwards.
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I guess I'd prefer to be attacked with a knife as well, because so long as you can avoid getting stabbed deeply, you'll almost certainly survive. Also, they are relatively easy to block, because they tend not to do too much damage when they aren't stabbing. I'd hate to have a rolling pin aimed at me, because blocking that will in all liklihood break your arm.
The problem with long sharp kitchen knives is that they're designed to cut through meat, which is what your arm is made of
So, if you do successfully block a knife thrust of someone who knows how to fight with a knife, he/she will simply withdraw it in such a way that it opens up your arm- at best that will mean a lot of pain and blood, at worst it'll sever your tendons and open up the veins running up your inner arm- leading to an arm that won't work and unconsciousness from massive blood loss.
Quickly followed by a flurry of further such attacks.
Sadly, even in the hands of someone who's got no idea of how to fight with a knife, the resulting random thrashings can result in exactly the same kind of lethal injuries.
The advice of anyone who knows what they're talking about where knife attacks are concerned will always be the same- avoid at all costs having to deal with it, ie, if possible, run away, if you have to engage it, find an object that can be used as a weapon- tackling a knife unarmed is pretty much suicidal; blocking a knife is not that feasible, and will lead to you getting cut.
If you want to try it out, get a friend to 'attack' you with a rubber knife covered in paint (and I mean a proper, chaotic, attack, not the 'single thrust and leave your arm stuck out' so often seen in martial arts demos), and see what colour your arms are afterwards.
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Hey, I'm not saying you'll be completely unharmed, I'm just saying that you're less likely to be killed (provided that you know some basic defence).
The advice to run away is very sound, and I would say the same. However if we're talking about domestic violence then it's sometimes not practical to get out, e.g. If you're trapped against the sink or something. On that note, I very much doubt that more than 5% of people who stab other people know how to use knives.
And besides, you block the arm, not the knife
Hey, I'm not saying you'll be completely unharmed, I'm just saying that you're less likely to be killed (provided that you know some basic defence).
The advice to run away is very sound, and I would say the same. However if we're talking about domestic violence then it's sometimes not practical to get out, e.g. If you're trapped against the sink or something. On that note, I very much doubt that more than 5% of people who stab other people know how to use knives.
And besides, you block the arm, not the knife
After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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knives are so 90's
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After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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err i think if you are getting mugged by someone with a knife, they are probly gonna have spent some time working out / discussing / practicing using it. Especially 'hard' young blokes. they love to spend hours and hours working out the best ways to hurt people.
Im with Dave on this one. Even if you are an instructor in your martial art, you wouldnt take the chance that someone coming at you with a knife doesnt know how to use it. In all self-defence you must consider what the worst case scenario is, because its always a potentially life threatening situation.
I guess the only other thing is women carrying concealed knifes for self-defence. Be prepared to use it the instant you go for it because if you pull it out and just intend to wave it around you'll only make the situation worse. and if your going to carry it, you better practice pulling it and using it, cuz you loose the element of surprise if you cant use it in a split second. Oh yeah - and you'll go to jail if you stab someone with a concealed weapon for just walking too close to you. Pretty hard to prove you were being attacked if you have to use your knife in a split second. maybe better to be more aware and not let people you dont know get that close to you?
urg - if its come to a knife fight, youve already mostly failed in your own self-defence strategy.
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err i think if you are getting mugged by someone with a knife, they are probly gonna have spent some time working out / discussing / practicing using it. Especially 'hard' young blokes. they love to spend hours and hours working out the best ways to hurt people.
Im with Dave on this one. Even if you are an instructor in your martial art, you wouldnt take the chance that someone coming at you with a knife doesnt know how to use it. In all self-defence you must consider what the worst case scenario is, because its always a potentially life threatening situation.
I guess the only other thing is women carrying concealed knifes for self-defence. Be prepared to use it the instant you go for it because if you pull it out and just intend to wave it around you'll only make the situation worse. and if your going to carry it, you better practice pulling it and using it, cuz you loose the element of surprise if you cant use it in a split second. Oh yeah - and you'll go to jail if you stab someone with a concealed weapon for just walking too close to you. Pretty hard to prove you were being attacked if you have to use your knife in a split second. maybe better to be more aware and not let people you dont know get that close to you?
urg - if its come to a knife fight, youve already mostly failed in your own self-defence strategy.
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There shouldn't be different rules for women and men. Men can get attacked as well, and apparently the most vicious gangs in Glasgow at the moment are girl gangs...
There shouldn't be different rules for women and men. Men can get attacked as well, and apparently the most vicious gangs in Glasgow at the moment are girl gangs...
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Which will have all gone down the tubes, because in something like 80% of all assaults, the attacker was drunk. You can't fight effectively when you're drunk. You might gain a bit more endurance, but you're slow, your hand/eye co-ordination is shot, and so is your timing.
The problem is when the best strategy (to run away) isn't feasible. E.g. when you're with a friend who for whatever reason can't run as fast as you, or if you're in a crowded nightclub, or in your house.
I agree entirely that you shouldn't try to fight a person with a knife if you have any other choice. The best thing is *Always* to run away. But sometimes you have no other option, and in that case a knife is one of the things I'd prefer to be attacked with. As opposed to say, a 5' length of scaffolding.
I'd say carrying a knife yourself is a little pointless. I'd take up running, myself, as the best form of self defence. Go to the track and work out!
Failing that, learn a practical way to fight. Kickboxing or Judo are fairly good. Silat is even better, but there aren't many teachers around.
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err i think if you are getting mugged by someone with a knife, they are probly gonna have spent some time working out / discussing / practicing using it. Especially 'hard' young blokes. they love to spend hours and hours working out the best ways to hurt people.
Which will have all gone down the tubes, because in something like 80% of all assaults, the attacker was drunk. You can't fight effectively when you're drunk. You might gain a bit more endurance, but you're slow, your hand/eye co-ordination is shot, and so is your timing.
Written by: Pyrolific
urg - if its come to a knife fight, youve already mostly failed in your own self-defence strategy.
The problem is when the best strategy (to run away) isn't feasible. E.g. when you're with a friend who for whatever reason can't run as fast as you, or if you're in a crowded nightclub, or in your house.
I agree entirely that you shouldn't try to fight a person with a knife if you have any other choice. The best thing is *Always* to run away. But sometimes you have no other option, and in that case a knife is one of the things I'd prefer to be attacked with. As opposed to say, a 5' length of scaffolding.
I'd say carrying a knife yourself is a little pointless. I'd take up running, myself, as the best form of self defence. Go to the track and work out!
Failing that, learn a practical way to fight. Kickboxing or Judo are fairly good. Silat is even better, but there aren't many teachers around.
After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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Interesting how this thread turned into a kinda 'how to take a knife attack and not get hurt' kinda thing.
I'm sitting on the fence for this one (not painfull as its not a spike topped one) because I agree with different aspects of each arguement.
I own a few small knifes. Most of them have a locking mechanism which is infact considered illegal. Stupid really seeing as the lock on a knife was introduced as a safety feature so te blade doesn't fold back down onto your fingers.
The main knife I use and would have on my person is my swiss army knife. It has a 3 inch locking blade, saw, bottle opener can opener etc etc. I don't really find that I need the blade to be the size that it is but it's the only lockable victorinox I could find with the features I wanted. This knife has often prooved itself as my most valuable tool around the house, camping, working as a marshal and playing at my local paintball site and many other occasions.
I agree something needs to be done about the availability of knifes but in all honesty it will, as many have said, just lead to another item being used and will make life difficult for those of us who have a legitimate reason for carrying or owning a knife.
Interesting how this thread turned into a kinda 'how to take a knife attack and not get hurt' kinda thing.
I'm sitting on the fence for this one (not painfull as its not a spike topped one
) because I agree with different aspects of each arguement. I own a few small knifes. Most of them have a locking mechanism which is infact considered illegal. Stupid really seeing as the lock on a knife was introduced as a safety feature so te blade doesn't fold back down onto your fingers.
The main knife I use and would have on my person is my swiss army knife. It has a 3 inch locking blade, saw, bottle opener can opener etc etc. I don't really find that I need the blade to be the size that it is but it's the only lockable victorinox I could find with the features I wanted. This knife has often prooved itself as my most valuable tool around the house, camping, working as a marshal and playing at my local paintball site and many other occasions.
I agree something needs to be done about the availability of knifes but in all honesty it will, as many have said, just lead to another item being used and will make life difficult for those of us who have a legitimate reason for carrying or owning a knife.
Could somebody stop the room please... I'd like to get off
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Knives are no more dangerous than a biro pen or a sharp edge of a mangled coke can.
Had one stuck in my back a couple of years ago in a situation like one mentioned above. Kinda sucked. I would be on the end of it again if I had to. I swear this martyr thing I have will get me killed.
Sethis- I might have to take the blunt object over the knife. I've just had more luck with those.
I personally don't want all the risk taken out of my life. I like the world just the way it is. For every life taken to every child born. No matter how many laws are made or personal freedoms taken, such as the right to carry a knife without having to justifiy it to anyone else.
No yin without the yang.
Knives are no more dangerous than a biro pen or a sharp edge of a mangled coke can.
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The problem is when the best strategy (to run away) isn't feasible. E.g. when you're with a friend who for whatever reason can't run as fast as you, or if you're in a crowded nightclub, or in your house.
Had one stuck in my back a couple of years ago in a situation like one mentioned above. Kinda sucked. I would be on the end of it again if I had to. I swear this martyr thing I have will get me killed.
Sethis- I might have to take the blunt object over the knife. I've just had more luck with those.
I personally don't want all the risk taken out of my life. I like the world just the way it is. For every life taken to every child born. No matter how many laws are made or personal freedoms taken, such as the right to carry a knife without having to justifiy it to anyone else.
No yin without the yang.
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Posted:
i think the law should stay roughly as it is - a knife of about 3" is ok to be with you but still pretty useless unless camping
anything bigger is a weapon and cant really be justified outside the kitchen
the one thing i would say would be good would be to raise the age for buying a knife to 18. at least that way its a little harder for kids to get them
i think the law should stay roughly as it is - a knife of about 3" is ok to be with you but still pretty useless unless camping
anything bigger is a weapon and cant really be justified outside the kitchen
the one thing i would say would be good would be to raise the age for buying a knife to 18. at least that way its a little harder for kids to get them
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I thought it was 18... am I wrong? I know you can't sell knives until you're 18.
Colin J, that must have sucked big time. I have a martyr complex too (maybe we should form a club? ) But that was when someone wanted to glass my GF for breaking up with him... Don't jump in front of thrown glasses people... it hurts...
I agree with Linden, it's difficult to justify anything over that length.
I thought it was 18... am I wrong? I know you can't sell knives until you're 18.
Colin J, that must have sucked big time. I have a martyr complex too (maybe we should form a club?
) But that was when someone wanted to glass my GF for breaking up with him... Don't jump in front of thrown glasses people... it hurts...I agree with Linden, it's difficult to justify anything over that length.
After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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Just a flesh wound.
My point is I shouldn't have to justify it at all. I don't carry a knife so it doesn't matter to me. I do however have my pouch of fine grain sand that might just come in handy as a diversionary tactic which is both ranged, stings like a bitch, and is perfectly legal in the eyes of the law.
Its the ancient sand in the face/eyes gives time to run like a chicken !bagock! kungfu style. Like the true warrior.
Written by: Sethis
I agree with Linden, it's difficult to justify anything over that length.
Just a flesh wound.
My point is I shouldn't have to justify it at all. I don't carry a knife so it doesn't matter to me. I do however have my pouch of fine grain sand that might just come in handy as a diversionary tactic which is both ranged, stings like a bitch, and is perfectly legal in the eyes of the law.
Its the ancient sand in the face/eyes gives time to run like a chicken !bagock! kungfu style. Like the true warrior.
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now thats cunning colin
atm in the UK you can buy a knife at 16
now thats cunning colin
atm in the UK you can buy a knife at 16
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Pouch of sand... nice idea. I always wear shoes I can both run and fight in. And if I'm going out on the town I carry a straight razor.
(Kidding! )
Pouch of sand... nice idea. I always wear shoes I can both run and fight in. And if I'm going out on the town I carry a straight razor.
(Kidding!
) After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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I never leave the house without my 9mm strapped to my inner thigh. It's difficult to get at but impresses the ladies
I never leave the house without my 9mm strapped to my inner thigh. It's difficult to get at but impresses the ladies
Could somebody stop the room please... I'd like to get off
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I find a 30.06 Sniper rifle also lends itself quite well to impressing the ladies, however if strapped to the thigh, can make tasks such as walking through doors quite difficult...
We seem to have gone from knives to guns...
I find a 30.06 Sniper rifle also lends itself quite well to impressing the ladies, however if strapped to the thigh, can make tasks such as walking through doors quite difficult...
We seem to have gone from knives to guns...
After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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Posted:
It's worth pointing out that, if fighting means to inflict damage, then in fact many people can fight effectively whilst drunk- most of the people who end up in casualty on Fri/Sat nights were put there by drinkers.
The thing about violence, and this is often missed by those impressed by martial arts, is that skill is only one factor in violence, and not the most important one.
Most victims of violence where not damaged by skill, but by individuals who were just plain 'hard'; thugishness and the simple willingness to 'go further' than your victim are the real enemies.
Drunks do lose fine motor abilities, and it will mean they'll not be pulling off fancy armlocks etc; but people who are into getting drunk and performing random violence wouldn't be attempting that anyway- they punch, kick, glass etc- any lack of motor ability is more than made up for the fact that, being drunk, they feel less pain, and are basically 'up for it', with a much lower sense of restraint.
Written by: SethisWritten by: Pyrolific
err i think if you are getting mugged by someone with a knife, they are probly gonna have spent some time working out / discussing / practicing using it. Especially 'hard' young blokes. they love to spend hours and hours working out the best ways to hurt people.
Which will have all gone down the tubes, because in something like 80% of all assaults, the attacker was drunk. You can't fight effectively when you're drunk. You might gain a bit more endurance, but you're slow, your hand/eye co-ordination is shot, and so is your timing.
It's worth pointing out that, if fighting means to inflict damage, then in fact many people can fight effectively whilst drunk- most of the people who end up in casualty on Fri/Sat nights were put there by drinkers.
The thing about violence, and this is often missed by those impressed by martial arts, is that skill is only one factor in violence, and not the most important one.
Most victims of violence where not damaged by skill, but by individuals who were just plain 'hard'; thugishness and the simple willingness to 'go further' than your victim are the real enemies.
Drunks do lose fine motor abilities, and it will mean they'll not be pulling off fancy armlocks etc; but people who are into getting drunk and performing random violence wouldn't be attempting that anyway- they punch, kick, glass etc- any lack of motor ability is more than made up for the fact that, being drunk, they feel less pain, and are basically 'up for it', with a much lower sense of restraint.
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With respect, that is b*llocks.
Knives come in many forms, and anyone who thinks that a 7" sharp-pointed kitchen knife, or a lock-blade, or a stanley knife; is no more dangerous than a biro, is lacking understanding of what knives can do (and do easily- yes, you can maim/kill with a biro, but it's going to take a lot more skill, luck and desire, than it would with a big, sharp knife).
Written by: Colin J
Knives are no more dangerous than a biro pen or a sharp edge of a mangled coke can.
With respect, that is b*llocks.
Knives come in many forms, and anyone who thinks that a 7" sharp-pointed kitchen knife, or a lock-blade, or a stanley knife; is no more dangerous than a biro, is lacking understanding of what knives can do (and do easily- yes, you can maim/kill with a biro, but it's going to take a lot more skill, luck and desire, than it would with a big, sharp knife).
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
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Location: bristol
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Location: bristol
Posted:
ditto
how many people have you ever seen cut up with a biro?
how many people have you seen cut with a knife?
think about it, ffs.
ditto
how many people have you ever seen cut up with a biro?
how many people have you seen cut with a knife?
think about it, ffs.
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