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I just went for a ride on my uni around my village. It's mid morning, so not many people were walking around, and most of those were pleasant enough; said hello and gave me a little room, much as you would do for anyone walking towards you. It's not as if I actually take up much space on the unicycle, maybe I would need a little more than usual to allow for the odd wobble.
About 3km into the ride, I come across one slightly past middle aged couple, walking side by side. It's quite a wide pavement, so I move myself well over to the road side, should be plenty of room for us to pass. They move to block my way. I give them the benefit of the doubt, assume we both decided to move the same way, so I shift over to the other side of the pavement. A couple of seconds later (enough time for them to have had to have thought about what they are doing), they move DIRECTLY INTO MY PATH, leaving me with less room than you would need to walk comfortably past them and forcing me to duck under an overhanging hedge, almost causing me to fall off. As I struggle to get past them, the woman mutters something along the lines of "well, you should be on the road then!"
Too busy trying to regain my balance to be bothered with replying to her, but just how inconsiderate is that! For a start, I'm pretty sure that you only have to be on the road if your wheel diameter is over a certain length, which my uni wheel definately isn't, and even if I wasn't supposed to be on the pavement, why be such an
about it? Why try to make me fall off? Could they not see it's just downright dangerous to be riding on the road? It would have been less effort just to stay out of my way, as I had already moved out of theirs twice!
I really hate people round here sometimes
J
EDITED_BY: MrConfused (1115290640)
I just went for a ride on my uni around my village. It's mid morning, so not many people were walking around, and most of those were pleasant enough; said hello and gave me a little room, much as you would do for anyone walking towards you. It's not as if I actually take up much space on the unicycle, maybe I would need a little more than usual to allow for the odd wobble.
About 3km into the ride, I come across one slightly past middle aged couple, walking side by side. It's quite a wide pavement, so I move myself well over to the road side, should be plenty of room for us to pass. They move to block my way. I give them the benefit of the doubt, assume we both decided to move the same way, so I shift over to the other side of the pavement. A couple of seconds later (enough time for them to have had to have thought about what they are doing), they move DIRECTLY INTO MY PATH, leaving me with less room than you would need to walk comfortably past them and forcing me to duck under an overhanging hedge, almost causing me to fall off. As I struggle to get past them, the woman mutters something along the lines of "well, you should be on the road then!"
Too busy trying to regain my balance to be bothered with replying to her, but just how inconsiderate is that! For a start, I'm pretty sure that you only have to be on the road if your wheel diameter is over a certain length, which my uni wheel definately isn't, and even if I wasn't supposed to be on the pavement, why be such an
about it? Why try to make me fall off? Could they not see it's just downright dangerous to be riding on the road? It would have been less effort just to stay out of my way, as I had already moved out of theirs twice! I really hate people round here sometimes
J
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Posted:
I think its the fact that someone is riding around on a Uni, they may have just thought it to be something stupid, you know how it is with age-challenged people. They could possibly be unaware of the wheel requirements for road traffic and pavement usage and just out of spite try and dissmount you in such a way..Or the fact thats if its near Petersfield alot of people can be stuck up middle class snobs and would turn their noses up on such an activity.
I think its the fact that someone is riding around on a Uni, they may have just thought it to be something stupid, you know how it is with age-challenged people. They could possibly be unaware of the wheel requirements for road traffic and pavement usage and just out of spite try and dissmount you in such a way..Or the fact thats if its near Petersfield alot of people can be stuck up middle class snobs and would turn their noses up on such an activity.
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I've spent many, many hours riding in public on my unicycles.
Unfair as it may seem, you're going to have to get used to occasional abuse, whether it's crap 'jokes' about missing/stolen back wheels or people giving you dark looks while muttering that you shouldn't be on the pavement etc.
It is in the minority- most people will appreciate the sight of you on a uni, but, you will have to accept that some won't.
It seems that there's a certain minority of the population who really dislike the sight of someone on a unicycle- generally they tend to look pretty miserable and I'm sure that if they weren't complaining about the unicycle they'd be having a go at something else.
So try not to be resentful- feel sorry for them instead; while you're having a great time on one wheel, they're passing their time whining and finding fault with others.
Concerning road vs. pavement- there's no actual law concerning wheel size, and what law there is in the UK is open to interpretation.
I ride either 24x3 muni (effectively a 26" wheel) and a 29-er (same rim size as a racing bike, but with a much fatter tyre) and whether I'm on the road or the pavement at any given time is down to my judgement about which is safest.
(I've got a lot of experience- only ride on the road if you're very, very competent; I advise wearing a cycle helmet for safety, and because you're less likely to get trouble from the police if you look responsible).
I've found that riding a 20" wheel as a relative newbie (ie looking a bit wobbly and 'clownlike') I got a fiar few crappy comments about missing wheels and circuses etc.
Now I use big wheeled, and fairly serious looking unis/munis, always wear wrist guards and helmet, and ride fast, balanced and stable; I think I come across more as a cyclist who just happens to have one wheel, and attract virtually no negative stuff at all.
Lastly, try to see things from the other perspective. The general public have no conception of what it's like to operate a unicycle- for all they know you could fall off at any time.
Have respect for the elderly/middle aged, by not getting too close to them, and, if that's not possible, by dismounting.
Remember that, particularly on a bigger wheel, you will be intimidatingly tall, and loom above the people you are passing- you may know that you're not going to fall on them, but they do not.
Unicycling in public is getting more and more common- if it continues to do so then the authorities are going to start paying attention and possibly legislating.
As unicyclists, it's down to us to come across as safe and responsible, and, to the extent it's possible, to not annoy/intimidate people if it's avoidable.
I've spent many, many hours riding in public on my unicycles.
Unfair as it may seem, you're going to have to get used to occasional abuse, whether it's crap 'jokes' about missing/stolen back wheels or people giving you dark looks while muttering that you shouldn't be on the pavement etc.
It is in the minority- most people will appreciate the sight of you on a uni, but, you will have to accept that some won't.
It seems that there's a certain minority of the population who really dislike the sight of someone on a unicycle- generally they tend to look pretty miserable and I'm sure that if they weren't complaining about the unicycle they'd be having a go at something else.
So try not to be resentful- feel sorry for them instead; while you're having a great time on one wheel, they're passing their time whining and finding fault with others.
Concerning road vs. pavement- there's no actual law concerning wheel size, and what law there is in the UK is open to interpretation.
I ride either 24x3 muni (effectively a 26" wheel) and a 29-er (same rim size as a racing bike, but with a much fatter tyre) and whether I'm on the road or the pavement at any given time is down to my judgement about which is safest.
(I've got a lot of experience- only ride on the road if you're very, very competent; I advise wearing a cycle helmet for safety, and because you're less likely to get trouble from the police if you look responsible).
I've found that riding a 20" wheel as a relative newbie (ie looking a bit wobbly and 'clownlike') I got a fiar few crappy comments about missing wheels and circuses etc.
Now I use big wheeled, and fairly serious looking unis/munis, always wear wrist guards and helmet, and ride fast, balanced and stable; I think I come across more as a cyclist who just happens to have one wheel, and attract virtually no negative stuff at all.
Lastly, try to see things from the other perspective. The general public have no conception of what it's like to operate a unicycle- for all they know you could fall off at any time.
Have respect for the elderly/middle aged, by not getting too close to them, and, if that's not possible, by dismounting.
Remember that, particularly on a bigger wheel, you will be intimidatingly tall, and loom above the people you are passing- you may know that you're not going to fall on them, but they do not.
Unicycling in public is getting more and more common- if it continues to do so then the authorities are going to start paying attention and possibly legislating.
As unicyclists, it's down to us to come across as safe and responsible, and, to the extent it's possible, to not annoy/intimidate people if it's avoidable.
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People are stupid.
They were idiots and i would ahve ran them over.
Forget about it, hun, you get s****y people in the world and eventually theyr'e going to miss out.
People are stupid.
They were idiots and i would ahve ran them over.
Forget about it, hun, you get s****y people in the world and eventually theyr'e going to miss out.
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"People are people and will always exercise their god given right to be stupid" -
People are stupid... this is why "magic" works! (majick on the other hand... freaks them out)
I need to get a uni! would make life so much easier! i'd ride it to work instead of driving my car!
Dont let them get u down MrConfused!
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I need to get a uni! would make life so much easier! i'd ride it to work instead of driving my car!
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Well, that depends. You were riding on a “foot” path. And perhaps, in their opinion, you were being rude.
Having a cycle does not give a person the right nor the high “moral” ground to ride where they like. Have you considered other peoples rights to walk or drive in peace. Like, I get annoyed when cyclers yell abuse at drivers for using motorways.
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Why do people have to be so inconsiderate??
Well, that depends. You were riding on a “foot” path. And perhaps, in their opinion, you were being rude.
Having a cycle does not give a person the right nor the high “moral” ground to ride where they like. Have you considered other peoples rights to walk or drive in peace. Like, I get annoyed when cyclers yell abuse at drivers for using motorways.
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I can see both sides here. They went out of their way to be cantankerous old because they think that cyclists should use the road. They could have gotten out of your way no problem.
I tend to dismount if I get close to people and if anyone says anything like that I'd reply with 'I'm on the pavement because the cars are being driven by people like you'.
You have to pity people who are in such hideous marriages/jobs/lives that they have forgotten what fun means.
I can see both sides here. They went out of their way to be cantankerous old
because they think that cyclists should use the road. They could have gotten out of your way no problem.I tend to dismount if I get close to people and if anyone says anything like that I'd reply with 'I'm on the pavement because the cars are being driven by people like you'.
You have to pity people who are in such hideous marriages/jobs/lives that they have forgotten what fun means.
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That’s an excellent idea,
I agree, all cyclists should dismount when they get close to people or cars.
That’s an excellent idea,
I agree, all cyclists should dismount when they get close to people or cars.
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Actually, what is needed is dedicated cycle lanes that work, ie cyclists come first and have priority and right of way, then cyclists wouldn't be putting their lives in the hands or morons in cars everytime they leave the house. Also, we need cycle lane police to fine people who can't tell the difference between a cycle lane and a footpath and go strolling along and are suprised when cyclists come flying by, knocking their burgers out of their hands.
Actually, what is needed is dedicated cycle lanes that work, ie cyclists come first and have priority and right of way, then cyclists wouldn't be putting their lives in the hands or morons in cars everytime they leave the house. Also, we need cycle lane police to fine people who can't tell the difference between a cycle lane and a footpath and go strolling along and are suprised when cyclists come flying by, knocking their burgers out of their hands.
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Why do cyclists come first ???
They pay nothing to use the road.
They don’t follow any known road rules, ride 3,3,4 a breast are often a hazard both to them selves and other road users.
ie. I've found cyclists to be the most selfish users of the road.
Because of this “ cyclists come first “ attitude
Why do cyclists come first ???
They pay nothing to use the road.
They don’t follow any known road rules, ride 3,3,4 a breast are often a hazard both to them selves and other road users.
ie. I've found cyclists to be the most selfish users of the road.
Because of this “ cyclists come first “ attitude
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I'd like to point out that unicycles are not the same as bicycles; for a start, a bicycle on a pavement is not a good idea and is a hazard to pedestrians.
A unicycle on the pavement (sidewalk), as long as it's well ridden is entirely appropriate- they cannot go anywhere near as fast as a bike, and they are under much tighter control (eg braking is via the feet, and is pretty much instant). They take up no more floor area than a pedestrian, and they are at least as manouverable as a pedestrian.
The alternative of riding on the road is, especially in the case of small wheeled unis (20") not appropriate, and, even with a 26-36" wheel, being on the road is only safe if the rider is very experienced.
I'd like to point out that unicycles are not the same as bicycles; for a start, a bicycle on a pavement is not a good idea and is a hazard to pedestrians.
A unicycle on the pavement (sidewalk), as long as it's well ridden is entirely appropriate- they cannot go anywhere near as fast as a bike, and they are under much tighter control (eg braking is via the feet, and is pretty much instant). They take up no more floor area than a pedestrian, and they are at least as manouverable as a pedestrian.
The alternative of riding on the road is, especially in the case of small wheeled unis (20") not appropriate, and, even with a 26-36" wheel, being on the road is only safe if the rider is very experienced.
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cyclists DO come first
they don't pollute, they don't waste resources, and they don't take up the entire road
obvious
cyclists DO come first
they don't pollute, they don't waste resources, and they don't take up the entire road
obvious
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I have to agree with quiet. On my way to school i always have idiot parents stopping in the middle of the road to drop off kids.When i try to overtake the stopped cars the driver behind me seems to think he/she is more important because they drive a BMW or a massive army style geep. A cyclist is totally exposed and vunerable but can see all around himself so can see dangers and is constantly aware. The driver of a land rover is encased in steel so feels safer so may not see dangers around him and he has a much more limited view of whats happening on the road around him.
This may not be the right thread but you have me interested in unicycling now. How hard is it to ride a unicycle? Is there alot to learn just to be able to cycle for a bit without falling over?
I have to agree with quiet. On my way to school i always have idiot parents stopping in the middle of the road to drop off kids.When i try to overtake the stopped cars the driver behind me seems to think he/she is more important because they drive a BMW or a massive army style geep. A cyclist is totally exposed and vunerable but can see all around himself so can see dangers and is constantly aware. The driver of a land rover is encased in steel so feels safer so may not see dangers around him and he has a much more limited view of whats happening on the road around him.
This may not be the right thread but you have me interested in unicycling now. How hard is it to ride a unicycle? Is there alot to learn just to be able to cycle for a bit without falling over?
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hi spanner, neither do electric bikes pollute, and cyclists do take up half the road and more, especially when they insist on riding two abreast. Cycles have their place, perhaps the inner city if the number of cars were kept to a minimum with fees. But cycles are a real hazard on the busy main city routes, and they cause many accidents.
My point being, that I’m fed up with cyclists shouting abuse at drivers, and disrupting peak hour traffic with futile demonstration like last Friday. It poves nothing, and only creates animonisity. If cyclists have a beef, then they should take it up with the politicians, not the poor old commuters.
Dave, give us a break. Now you want special rules for mono-cycles, because they are your preferred form of transport Hey, I can pop the front wheel for a long way, but neither should be done on a “FOOT” path.
hi spanner, neither do electric bikes pollute, and cyclists do take up half the road and more, especially when they insist on riding two abreast. Cycles have their place, perhaps the inner city if the number of cars were kept to a minimum with fees. But cycles are a real hazard on the busy main city routes, and they cause many accidents.
My point being, that I’m fed up with cyclists shouting abuse at drivers, and disrupting peak hour traffic with futile demonstration like last Friday. It poves nothing, and only creates animonisity. If cyclists have a beef, then they should take it up with the politicians, not the poor old commuters.
Dave, give us a break. Now you want special rules for mono-cycles, because they are your preferred form of transport
Hey, I can pop the front wheel for a long way, but neither should be done on a “FOOT” path. If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
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Not at all Stone.
As a very experienced rider of unicycles I am in a good position to judge how safe they are on roads and pavements in comparison to cycles.
'Popping' a front wheel of your bike (presumably that means pulling a 'wheelie') does not turn your cycle into a unicycle.
I can ride for hours and miles over rough terrain, up and down steep hills etc on my unicycles- I cannot do even 1 metre on a wheelied bicycle.
Wheelie-ing on a bicycle, as I understand it, is maintained by a comination of pedaling faster, and slowing down using the brakes- to keep the bike balanced?
Riding a unicycle is nothing like that. You could teach yourself to ride a bike on it's back wheel for 50 KM stretches (and there was a guy who used to post on unicyclist.com who did exactly that)- but that will not enable you to ride a unicycle.
I think most would agree that bikes on pavements are a hazard, certainly if they are ridden at their normal speed.
Anyone who can ride a unicycle well, would agree that a unicycle on the pavement is fundamentally safe, much more so than a bike.
Stone- given that you seem to dislike cyclists on the road so much (a position which I personally disagree with), wouldn't you find it preferable if more people took up unicycle commuting, where they could be on the pavement instead?
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Dave, give us a break. Now you want special rules for mono-cycles, because they are your preferred form of transport
Not at all Stone.
As a very experienced rider of unicycles I am in a good position to judge how safe they are on roads and pavements in comparison to cycles.
'Popping' a front wheel of your bike (presumably that means pulling a 'wheelie') does not turn your cycle into a unicycle.
I can ride for hours and miles over rough terrain, up and down steep hills etc on my unicycles- I cannot do even 1 metre on a wheelied bicycle.
Wheelie-ing on a bicycle, as I understand it, is maintained by a comination of pedaling faster, and slowing down using the brakes- to keep the bike balanced?
Riding a unicycle is nothing like that. You could teach yourself to ride a bike on it's back wheel for 50 KM stretches (and there was a guy who used to post on unicyclist.com who did exactly that)- but that will not enable you to ride a unicycle.
I think most would agree that bikes on pavements are a hazard, certainly if they are ridden at their normal speed.
Anyone who can ride a unicycle well, would agree that a unicycle on the pavement is fundamentally safe, much more so than a bike.
Stone- given that you seem to dislike cyclists on the road so much (a position which I personally disagree with), wouldn't you find it preferable if more people took up unicycle commuting, where they could be on the pavement instead?
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Varies according to the individual.
It's fair to say that learning is closer to being 'hard' than 'easy'.
Certainly, the first time you try a unicycle you'll feel that it's probably the most unstable form of transport imaginable, and find it hard to believe that you'll ever learn to ride it
However, with practice, you'll achieve a very high level of control (more so than on a bike for example, as the uni is controlled entirely by your feet (no having to reach for brakes)).
Most people will require around 10-20 hours of practice to be able to ride a short distance consistently.
More practice will enable you to turn, 'free-mount', ride on hills/rough terrain etc.
It's well worth the effort; riding is a lot of fun.
This year, despite owning a mountain bike, 99% of all my riding has been on the unicycles- despite being slower, they're just a lot more satisfying to ride.
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This may not be the right thread but you have me interested in unicycling now. How hard is it to ride a unicycle? Is there alot to learn just to be able to cycle for a bit without falling over?
Varies according to the individual.
It's fair to say that learning is closer to being 'hard' than 'easy'.
Certainly, the first time you try a unicycle you'll feel that it's probably the most unstable form of transport imaginable, and find it hard to believe that you'll ever learn to ride it
However, with practice, you'll achieve a very high level of control (more so than on a bike for example, as the uni is controlled entirely by your feet (no having to reach for brakes)).
Most people will require around 10-20 hours of practice to be able to ride a short distance consistently.
More practice will enable you to turn, 'free-mount', ride on hills/rough terrain etc.
It's well worth the effort; riding is a lot of fun.
This year, despite owning a mountain bike, 99% of all my riding has been on the unicycles- despite being slower, they're just a lot more satisfying to ride.
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So would you deny mothers access to "foot" paths if they were pushing a pram? Should they be out in the road as well? And how could me moving out of their way twice be considered rude?
I moved out of their way twice. I feel that's actually quite decent and considerate of their 'right to walk in peace' (and what of my right to cycle in peace? Why should I have to put up with idiots yelling oh-so-funny comments at me as I cycle? Though that's not what is being discussed here), when the majority of people walking seem to just put their heads down and carrying on following the same route when meeting oncoming walkers.
I assumed no moral high ground, I didn't realise there was any moral issues involved; it seems to be a matter of common courtesy, which they trampled over when they twice moved into my path.
Then what's the point in cycling at all? You're just going to end up pushing your bike or uni around all the time, no-one will be able to ride to work so there will be a lot more cars on the road, and it would be a major pain in the [censored] for us novice uni riders, who can quite happily steer past people if they aren't so rude and inconsiderate, yet still don't find freemounting the easiest thing to do. Don't think that one was very well thought through.
Thanks for everyone's sympathies. Have a
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Well, that depends. You were riding on a “foot” path. And perhaps, in their opinion, you were being rude
So would you deny mothers access to "foot" paths if they were pushing a pram? Should they be out in the road as well? And how could me moving out of their way twice be considered rude?
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Having a cycle does not give a person the right nor the high “moral” ground to ride where they like. Have you considered other peoples rights to walk or drive in peace. Like, I get annoyed when cyclers yell abuse at drivers for using motorways.
I moved out of their way twice. I feel that's actually quite decent and considerate of their 'right to walk in peace' (and what of my right to cycle in peace? Why should I have to put up with idiots yelling oh-so-funny comments at me as I cycle? Though that's not what is being discussed here), when the majority of people walking seem to just put their heads down and carrying on following the same route when meeting oncoming walkers.
I assumed no moral high ground, I didn't realise there was any moral issues involved; it seems to be a matter of common courtesy, which they trampled over when they twice moved into my path.
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That’s an excellent idea,
I agree, all cyclists should dismount when they get close to people or cars.
Then what's the point in cycling at all? You're just going to end up pushing your bike or uni around all the time, no-one will be able to ride to work so there will be a lot more cars on the road, and it would be a major pain in the [censored] for us novice uni riders, who can quite happily steer past people if they aren't so rude and inconsiderate, yet still don't find freemounting the easiest thing to do. Don't think that one was very well thought through.
Thanks for everyone's sympathies. Have a
J
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Posted:
Thanks for that onewheeldave. Im really thinking of trying unicycling now.
Thanks for that onewheeldave. Im really thinking of trying unicycling now.
The original drunk/stoned/vegetarian shapeshifter
209 posts
Location: Blackhill, Australia
209 posts
Location: Blackhill, Australia
Posted:
i have a solution...........................
a unicycle with rotating blades, thus when people see it coming down the road will give it some space and everyone is happy.
i have a solution...........................
a unicycle with rotating blades, thus when people see it coming down the road will give it some space and everyone is happy.
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223 posts
Location: Newcastle NSW
223 posts
Location: Newcastle NSW
Posted:
hahaha, lycanthrope... excellent solution
hahaha, lycanthrope... excellent solution
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2,829 posts
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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2,829 posts
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posted:
Dave, I think u missed the point. Which was, people should not be riding cycles on the footpath. Now this may come as a shock, but being experienced does not give a person permission to make up their own road rules, and ride or drive where ever they like. I can assure you that the cops are not going to be impressed with the excuse “it’s ok officer, I’m experienced” if u get caught doing something wrong.
I like bikes. Unfortunately it’s the arrogance of some riders that I am coming to dislike. As you say, mr confused, it does seem to be a matter of common courtesy. That means expressing courtesy to others too. It goes both ways.
Dave, I think u missed the point. Which was, people should not be riding cycles on the footpath. Now this may come as a shock, but being experienced does not give a person permission to make up their own road rules, and ride or drive where ever they like. I can assure you that the cops are not going to be impressed with the excuse “it’s ok officer, I’m experienced” if u get caught doing something wrong.
I like bikes. Unfortunately it’s the arrogance of some riders that I am coming to dislike. As you say, mr confused, it does seem to be a matter of common courtesy. That means expressing courtesy to others too. It goes both ways.
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Carpal \'Tunnel
3,252 posts
Location: sheffield, United Kingdom
Carpal \'Tunnel
3,252 posts
Location: sheffield, United Kingdom
Posted:
And my point is that the blanket assertion that 'cycles on the pavement = wrong' is incorrect as it doesn't take into account the huge differences between bicycles and unicycles.
As for the law, it varies in different places in the world and the main difference is whether or not the laws definition of 'cycle' includes 'unicycles'.
This has been a common topic on unicyclist.com- a fair bit of research has been done on it.
Some states define 'cycles' as having two wheels, which immediately means that, in those states, the laws concerning cycles do not apply to unicycles.
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IMO, any sensible laws brought in to deal with the increasing numbers of unicycles would really have to distinguish between the different wheel sizes of unicycles.
For example, a 20" wheel uni is in no way appropriate on the road; similarly, a uni built for speed/distance like the 36" wheeled Coker, is not safe on the pavements.
And, of course, in making up such laws it would be essential that there is extensive communication with experienced unicyclists, as, unless you've ridden one-wheelers for a considerable amount of time, you can have no idea about such mattters as, how controllable they are in a given situation.
And my point is that the blanket assertion that 'cycles on the pavement = wrong' is incorrect as it doesn't take into account the huge differences between bicycles and unicycles.
As for the law, it varies in different places in the world and the main difference is whether or not the laws definition of 'cycle' includes 'unicycles'.
This has been a common topic on unicyclist.com- a fair bit of research has been done on it.
Some states define 'cycles' as having two wheels, which immediately means that, in those states, the laws concerning cycles do not apply to unicycles.
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IMO, any sensible laws brought in to deal with the increasing numbers of unicycles would really have to distinguish between the different wheel sizes of unicycles.
For example, a 20" wheel uni is in no way appropriate on the road; similarly, a uni built for speed/distance like the 36" wheeled Coker, is not safe on the pavements.
And, of course, in making up such laws it would be essential that there is extensive communication with experienced unicyclists, as, unless you've ridden one-wheelers for a considerable amount of time, you can have no idea about such mattters as, how controllable they are in a given situation.
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2,829 posts
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posted:
Come on Dave, I can’t believe u pulled that “unless you've ridden one-wheelers…..” line. Though, watch out, uni cycles are considerably cheeper than they were, so I might just call u on that one
As far as sharing tracks, roads and paths goes, I suspect people with vested interests, have well vested interests. They might also lack some “objectivity” in matters close to the heart.
I don’t think it’s so much about the long arm of the law or the size of your, um, wheels. It’s really about courtesy to pedestrians. As far as the inconsistencies in the laws, when is a cycle not a cycle? It is not about experience either or how many wheels you have, or if it’s a skate board, bicycle, or uni cycle. Commonsense suggests it is inconsiderate and bad manners to ride cycles on foot paths. Please stick to the bicycle lanes and tracks, in the future. Thank You.
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Come on Dave, I can’t believe u pulled that “unless you've ridden one-wheelers…..” line. Though, watch out, uni cycles are considerably cheeper than they were, so I might just call u on that one
As far as sharing tracks, roads and paths goes, I suspect people with vested interests, have well vested interests. They might also lack some “objectivity” in matters close to the heart.
I don’t think it’s so much about the long arm of the law or the size of your, um, wheels. It’s really about courtesy to pedestrians. As far as the inconsistencies in the laws, when is a cycle not a cycle? It is not about experience either or how many wheels you have, or if it’s a skate board, bicycle, or uni cycle. Commonsense suggests it is inconsiderate and bad manners to ride cycles on foot paths. Please stick to the bicycle lanes and tracks, in the future. Thank You.
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1,530 posts
Location: Oxford, Oxfordshire, England
Groovy ga watashi no namae desu!
1,530 posts
Location: Oxford, Oxfordshire, England
Posted:
dave you're absoloutly 100% right here
yay for unicycles
i still cant ride one yet, i'm sure i've tried for well over 30 hours but i'm sure i';ll get there eventually
any tips?
dave you're absoloutly 100% right here
yay for unicycles
i still cant ride one yet, i'm sure i've tried for well over 30 hours but i'm sure i';ll get there eventually
any tips?
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18 posts
Location: Sydney
18 posts
Location: Sydney
Posted:
Until bike riders are registered and licensed and understand that the rules of the road apply to them to, they should stay off it. As for cycling on the footpath, it's much safer for pedestrians and cycles to share than for motor vehicles and cycles.
Until bike riders are registered and licensed and understand that the rules of the road apply to them to, they should stay off it. As for cycling on the footpath, it's much safer for pedestrians and cycles to share than for motor vehicles and cycles.
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted:
MrConfused, another possible scenario is that the pedestrians were caught by surprise, and mirrored your actions in an attempt to get out of your way. Similar to when two people meet in a corridor, and they both side step a couple of times until they eventually pass.
Dave, I am not questioning you skills on a uni cycle, just the assertion that uni cycles should have special privileges, like riding on footpaths (which is banned in my part of the world). As an analogy, I might consider myself experienced enough to ride a bike without a helmet, but I have to concede to the law on that one.
AnotherPyro, I don’t think anyone is safe on the roads in Sydney
MrConfused, another possible scenario is that the pedestrians were caught by surprise, and mirrored your actions in an attempt to get out of your way. Similar to when two people meet in a corridor, and they both side step a couple of times until they eventually pass.
Dave, I am not questioning you skills on a uni cycle, just the assertion that uni cycles should have special privileges, like riding on footpaths (which is banned in my part of the world). As an analogy, I might consider myself experienced enough to ride a bike without a helmet, but I have to concede to the law on that one.
AnotherPyro, I don’t think anyone is safe on the roads in Sydney
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Are we there yet?
1,897 posts
Location: australia
Are we there yet?
1,897 posts
Location: australia
Posted:
...so the unicylist that I had to leap out of the way of on Sunday morning was ok to keep riding on the footpath, whilst forcing me out into the street so he could keep hopping down the hill?
This happens with some cyclists too - they seem expect you to leap out of the way as they ride along.
Maybe it's got nothing to do with cyclists (one or two wheels) and has something to do with human arrogance or being too wrapped up in one's own world
...so the unicylist that I had to leap out of the way of on Sunday morning was ok to keep riding on the footpath, whilst forcing me out into the street so he could keep hopping down the hill?
This happens with some cyclists too - they seem expect you to leap out of the way as they ride along.
Maybe it's got nothing to do with cyclists (one or two wheels) and has something to do with human arrogance or being too wrapped up in one's own world
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538 posts
Location: Pietermaritzburg (KZN), South Africa
Retro Fyre Wizzard
538 posts
Location: Pietermaritzburg (KZN), South Africa
Posted:
okay here's how i see it!
The road is for cars and motorbikes! (engines)
the bicycle lane is for bicycles! (this is perfectally viable to have bicycle lanes - i pay tax to the government too!)
the pavement is for pedestrians!
in the absence of a cyclist lane, the pavment, unless you're moving with pace!
i do not mind a bicycle on the road if it's moving, and will alow it space if it needs! if you're just gonna plod along and get in the way - get on the pavement!
okay here's how i see it!
The road is for cars and motorbikes! (engines)
the bicycle lane is for bicycles! (this is perfectally viable to have bicycle lanes - i pay tax to the government too!)
the pavement is for pedestrians!
in the absence of a cyclist lane, the pavment, unless you're moving with pace!
i do not mind a bicycle on the road if it's moving, and will alow it space if it needs! if you're just gonna plod along and get in the way - get on the pavement!
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3,276 posts
Location: Oxfordshire/Wiltshire, United Kingdom
Carpal \'Tunnel
3,276 posts
Location: Oxfordshire/Wiltshire, United Kingdom
Posted:
In my opinion, i think those people were a little out of order xxx
In my opinion, i think those people were a little out of order xxx
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freedom in chains
176 posts
Location: San Francisco & Oxford, United Kingdom
freedom in chains
176 posts
Location: San Francisco & Oxford, United Kingdom
Posted:
In what way does wearing a helmet make up for lack of experience?
Perhaps the skull simply grows thicker with experience...
Written by: Stone
...As an analogy, I might consider myself experienced enough to ride a bike without a helmet..
In what way does wearing a helmet make up for lack of experience?
Perhaps the skull simply grows thicker with experience...
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2,829 posts
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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2,829 posts
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posted:
micro, protection while learning, like trainer wheels.
Or perhaps in the same way that drivers of certain brand of European automobile, marketed on it’s extensive safety features, makes up for a lack of skill while instilling a sence of invincability in the driver
But you have to laugh though, because the association between a lack of driver skill and the car is now used as a marketing gimmik by the company.
Perhaps a better analogy would be a person who might think they are experienced enough to exceed the speed limits. Suggest doing a search for more info on helmets.
micro, protection while learning, like trainer wheels.
Or perhaps in the same way that drivers of certain brand of European automobile, marketed on it’s extensive safety features, makes up for a lack of skill while instilling a sence of invincability in the driver
But you have to laugh though, because the association between a lack of driver skill and the car is now used as a marketing gimmik by the company. Perhaps a better analogy would be a person who might think they are experienced enough to exceed the speed limits. Suggest doing a search for more info on helmets.
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
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