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Posted:
So then, I've been playing around with switching from one plane to another without the poi swinging 'out' all over the place. I've been 'braking planes' for a while now but it was only last night that I finally Realised the Possibilities.
I've heard Arashi talk about this as 'Trinity' ~ Instead of turning around 180 degrees, you turn 120 degrees increments. So, when you turn 3 times 120, you end up facing the same way as you started but the poi will be spinning in the opposite direction. The thing with this kind of stuff is that you need to have absolute control over the poi, if you do it badly, then it looks really bad.
But there are a lot of interesting possibilities. I prefer to rotate the poi planes through 90 degrees. If you got 1 poi in your right hand, [spinning Inwards like a butterfly, Z-plane]. As the poi comes up to 3 o'clock (exactly 3 o'clock
) you can change the plane of rotation to a Backwards [Weave plane, Y-Plane] by extending your arm out towards 3 o'clock.
Be mindful of where the Tangents are to your circular planes and most importantly ~ the exact point at which the tangent of 1 plane meets the tangent of the 90 degree plane
Example of use: Try doing inwards butterfly [I call this Z-plane], then switch one poi so that it is going backwards [in the weave plane, Y-plane]. Then get it back into your BF pattern. Repeat with the other hand.
But what does it all mean? Well when you get the hang of turning like this, you will love it, you can also do every move you already know in this style, which means we've all got plenty to practice.
m
So then, I've been playing around with switching from one plane to another without the poi swinging 'out' all over the place. I've been 'braking planes' for a while now but it was only last night that I finally Realised the Possibilities.
I've heard Arashi talk about this as 'Trinity' ~ Instead of turning around 180 degrees, you turn 120 degrees increments. So, when you turn 3 times 120, you end up facing the same way as you started but the poi will be spinning in the opposite direction. The thing with this kind of stuff is that you need to have absolute control over the poi, if you do it badly, then it looks really bad.
But there are a lot of interesting possibilities. I prefer to rotate the poi planes through 90 degrees. If you got 1 poi in your right hand, [spinning Inwards like a butterfly, Z-plane]. As the poi comes up to 3 o'clock (exactly 3 o'clock
) you can change the plane of rotation to a Backwards [Weave plane, Y-Plane] by extending your arm out towards 3 o'clock.Be mindful of where the Tangents are to your circular planes and most importantly ~ the exact point at which the tangent of 1 plane meets the tangent of the 90 degree plane
Example of use: Try doing inwards butterfly [I call this Z-plane], then switch one poi so that it is going backwards [in the weave plane, Y-plane]. Then get it back into your BF pattern. Repeat with the other hand.
But what does it all mean? Well when you get the hang of turning like this, you will love it, you can also do every move you already know in this style, which means we've all got plenty to practice.
m
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Hook it up with a video, Poi. Ive been wanting to see this in action as I hate trying to figure out text descriptions...
Hook it up with a video, Poi. Ive been wanting to see this in action as I hate trying to figure out text descriptions...
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Posted:
yep a few people do this one, espescially with double staff...
but for some reason i've never liked it when i do it.... liked it when others do but not me..
i wonder why this is
R
yep a few people do this one, espescially with double staff...
but for some reason i've never liked it when i do it.... liked it when others do but not me..
i wonder why this is
R
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old hand
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Posted:
These moves have got a very peculiar feel to them.
It's a very strange movement
m
These moves have got a very peculiar feel to them.
It's a very strange movement
m
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Pooh-Bah
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Posted:
Hiya
Ok,,,,,I'm confused,,first are the 120 deg. turns noted above related in any way to the 90 deg. plane changes??? I don't really understand the 120 turn concept. but I'll keep playing with it. Are the 90 plane charges really that simple??? I read these as,,
Facing in one direction doing your standard butterfly, simply pull your planes 90 so they are spinning backwards at your sides,,you remain facing in the same direction. Conversely,,spinning in the reverse butterfly easily transitions into spinning forward at your sides, I haven't tried the other two possible combinations much,,but they feel more ackward, like trying to figure out how to spell that word,,,,,lol.
Hiya
Ok,,,,,I'm confused,,first are the 120 deg. turns noted above related in any way to the 90 deg. plane changes??? I don't really understand the 120 turn concept. but I'll keep playing with it. Are the 90 plane charges really that simple??? I read these as,,
Facing in one direction doing your standard butterfly, simply pull your planes 90 so they are spinning backwards at your sides,,you remain facing in the same direction. Conversely,,spinning in the reverse butterfly easily transitions into spinning forward at your sides, I haven't tried the other two possible combinations much,,but they feel more ackward, like trying to figure out how to spell that word,,,,,lol.
Pooh-Bah
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Posted:
bluecat you'd better start practicing these, or i'll spank you...
trust me on this one. atomics are much more open to new stuff with these. i teach these right after trinities, but i kind of lump them in the same skill level, the "new transitions" point, really best done after you have impeccable timing. still working on them myself, there's worlds and worlds of poi out there.
hehe poipoipoi i knew you'd be a great addition to the nerd kingdom here. nice post, if i didn't have so much to do today i'd spend a few hours here with ya
bluecat you'd better start practicing these, or i'll spank you...
trust me on this one. atomics are much more open to new stuff with these. i teach these right after trinities, but i kind of lump them in the same skill level, the "new transitions" point, really best done after you have impeccable timing. still working on them myself, there's worlds and worlds of poi out there. hehe poipoipoi i knew you'd be a great addition to the nerd kingdom here. nice post, if i didn't have so much to do today i'd spend a few hours here with ya
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Posted:
er..
but i dislike trinity
*awaits slap*
sorry. its that whole plane breaking thing again.. it could be that i have never seen anyone do it in a way i think is nice. but to me it just looks messy. as does this transition in general.
*ducks for cover*
don't let that stop anyone else tho, it's a trruly personal feeling and loads of people like it lotsandlots
R
er..
but i dislike trinity
*awaits slap*
sorry. its that whole plane breaking thing again.. it could be that i have never seen anyone do it in a way i think is nice. but to me it just looks messy. as does this transition in general.
*ducks for cover*
don't let that stop anyone else tho, it's a trruly personal feeling and loads of people like it lotsandlots
R
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Posted:
I must agree with Bluecat... it is my understanding that anything but a 90 degree or 180 degree or 360 degree turn is a plane break, which look forced and ugly in my opinion. I'm sure you can make it look spectacular, they're just not my thing
I must agree with Bluecat... it is my understanding that anything but a 90 degree or 180 degree or 360 degree turn is a plane break, which look forced and ugly in my opinion. I'm sure you can make it look spectacular, they're just not my thing
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Posted:
i think its a bit silly to say ANY move where planes aren't constant and parallel looks messy or ugly. For example, all airwrappy tangly moves involve controlled breaking of planes.
Fairie Cath showed me a funky three sided butterfly turn a little over a year ago that didn't look forced or ugly, so i'm pretty interested in seeing other people doing trinity stuff.
i think its a bit silly to say ANY move where planes aren't constant and parallel looks messy or ugly. For example, all airwrappy tangly moves involve controlled breaking of planes.
Fairie Cath showed me a funky three sided butterfly turn a little over a year ago that didn't look forced or ugly, so i'm pretty interested in seeing other people doing trinity stuff.
"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
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Posted:
yo,
been thinking about this stuff for a while, but you have totally explained it for me (tho this trinity bussness is something else) im going to get on it right away, becuase this is the perfect transition into boxes and atoms. yum.
what i really want tho is the classic newbie 180 plane break, where they revers a poi still spinning with no aparent effort atall... :confuzed:
Hey Arashi, now there are paeple who might understand you, you gonna write some more?
T
yo,
been thinking about this stuff for a while, but you have totally explained it for me (tho this trinity bussness is something else) im going to get on it right away, becuase this is the perfect transition into boxes and atoms. yum.
what i really want tho is the classic newbie 180 plane break, where they revers a poi still spinning with no aparent effort atall... :confuzed:
Hey Arashi, now there are paeple who might understand you, you gonna write some more?
T
This is a post by tom, all spelling is deleberate
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Still trying to figure out this trinity thing,,,I can do it now,,,,sort of,feels really unnatural, forced,,,practice I suppose. Now as to this matrix thingy......
Still trying to figure out this trinity thing,,,I can do it now,,,,sort of,feels really unnatural, forced,,,practice I suppose. Now as to this matrix thingy......
Pooh-Bah
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Posted:
hell, how poignant... they say that the blank canvas holds the most possibilities. thing to keep in mind is, the box is there to teach you control. once you have that, burn that friggin box cause it becomes your crutch. see glass' threads on deconstructionist poi for examples. and simian just poked a stick at the dead thing on the ground, what i've been hinting at for a while now.
BTW it was never about nobody being able to understand me... obviously, there's plenty of people like glass and poipoipoi who already can figure out this stuff anyway. mostly, it's just a severe pain in the ass to do this through text, esp. when you got no time like me. when i have the time to reaspond to the inevitable "what the heck are you talking about?" i post about stuff. also, we'll have about 5 solid years (depending on how fast you learn, sage and i been spinning about 8 years, two heads put together equals 16 years, distilled down, can be taught in 5 i bet) worth of poi dance movement training on page and video soon, so just hold your horses and you'll be overwhelmed with all the work there is to do out there. i know i am. also you guys don't realize that truly i suck, and don't want to seem like i know what i'm doing 
okay, okay, how's this... practice going from an atom to a parallell weave using this transition. then use this movement in your atomic turning transitions, IOW, atomics and parallell weaves go together. (patent pending) cleans up the look of it immensely. i believe what you call "box" is just opened up atomic with the transitions touching. then try popping in butterfly airwraps and notice the uncanny similarities to weave airwraps. or start with weave/parallell atomics and go the other way around for a real mindfug. my opinion, do triangle trinity first. i'm still having a hard time learning all the atomic trinity stuff. probably gonna come up with a better name for that, but really trinity just means "non boxy 180 degree planes" course in jumping to this stuff i guarantee most of you are missing out on some cool foundation movements that really help open up more possibilities in this realm, namely in the opened up atomics, etc. but when does that ever matter when there's a cool airwrap staring you in the face? go ahead and eat it up. but then go back and practice the planes.
sloppy? azurenesskitty, of course they look sloppy. that's what practice is for
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what i really want tho is the classic newbie 180 plane break, where they revers a poi still spinning with no aparent effort atall... :confuzed:
Hey Arashi, now there are paeple who might understand you, you gonna write some more?
hell, how poignant... they say that the blank canvas holds the most possibilities. thing to keep in mind is, the box is there to teach you control. once you have that, burn that friggin box cause it becomes your crutch. see glass' threads on deconstructionist poi for examples. and simian just poked a stick at the dead thing on the ground, what i've been hinting at for a while now.
BTW it was never about nobody being able to understand me... obviously, there's plenty of people like glass and poipoipoi who already can figure out this stuff anyway. mostly, it's just a severe pain in the ass to do this through text, esp. when you got no time like me. when i have the time to reaspond to the inevitable "what the heck are you talking about?" i post about stuff. also, we'll have about 5 solid years (depending on how fast you learn, sage and i been spinning about 8 years, two heads put together equals 16 years, distilled down, can be taught in 5 i bet) worth of poi dance movement training on page and video soon, so just hold your horses
and you'll be overwhelmed with all the work there is to do out there. i know i am. also you guys don't realize that truly i suck, and don't want to seem like i know what i'm doing okay, okay, how's this... practice going from an atom to a parallell weave using this transition. then use this movement in your atomic turning transitions, IOW, atomics and parallell weaves go together. (patent pending) cleans up the look of it immensely. i believe what you call "box" is just opened up atomic with the transitions touching. then try popping in butterfly airwraps and notice the uncanny similarities to weave airwraps. or start with weave/parallell atomics and go the other way around for a real mindfug. my opinion, do triangle trinity first. i'm still having a hard time learning all the atomic trinity stuff. probably gonna come up with a better name for that, but really trinity just means "non boxy 180 degree planes" course in jumping to this stuff i guarantee most of you are missing out on some cool foundation movements that really help open up more possibilities in this realm, namely in the opened up atomics, etc. but when does that ever matter when there's a cool airwrap staring you in the face? go ahead and eat it up. but then go back and practice the planes.
sloppy? azurenesskitty, of course they look sloppy. that's what practice is for
-Such a price the gods exact for song: to become what we sing
-Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.
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Posted:
Oi, my head hurts now, Arashi. Yeah...trying to learn poi moves through text is not easy.
Mind you, the lingo I learned is quite different from the lingo here, so I'm not entirely sure what moves y'all are talkin' about.
Perhaps one of these days when I'm in Austin, I can get a quick tutorial..haa haa.
Anyway, I'm still struggling with the behind the back forward, and may be getting ever closer, but it certainly doesn't feel like it. Bruises. I have bruises. Ow.
Oi, my head hurts now, Arashi. Yeah...trying to learn poi moves through text is not easy.
Mind you, the lingo I learned is quite different from the lingo here, so I'm not entirely sure what moves y'all are talkin' about.
Perhaps one of these days when I'm in Austin, I can get a quick tutorial..haa haa.
Anyway, I'm still struggling with the behind the back forward, and may be getting ever closer, but it certainly doesn't feel like it. Bruises. I have bruises. Ow.
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simian: spot where i said it was personal preference. and i'mnot talking about ANY plane break. just plane changes(think i may have worded it wrong earlier).
anyway that arguements been done to death elsewhere.
*grrr at arashi* again i shall rephrase:
i think they are not beautiful. so shall not be practising them. but let that not stop you, and i'll wander off and leave you to it(its what i've been doing with tom when he practises this stuff
)
enjoy
R
simian: spot where i said it was personal preference. and i'mnot talking about ANY plane break. just plane changes(think i may have worded it wrong earlier).
anyway that arguements been done to death elsewhere.
*grrr at arashi* again i shall rephrase:
i think they are not beautiful. so shall not be practising them. but let that not stop you, and i'll wander off and leave you to it(its what i've been doing with tom when he practises this stuff
)enjoy
R Holistic Spinner (I hope)
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here, kitty witty, it's okay, eat some fish, on the house. pet pet pet here have a catnip spliff ho ho doood i don't mean to poke you into doing anything, and you know you rock witcha bad self. i just mean they don't _have_ to look sloppy. this is just an obscure corner on the poi map, like Uganda or the yucatan or London or something. and you don't have to like it or be cool like us 
even though you know you want to , (afterschool special...) just try it once, man, five pounds, you'll like it, don't you want people to like you?
here, kitty witty, it's okay, eat some fish, on the house. pet pet pet here have a catnip spliff
ho ho doood i don't mean to poke you into doing anything, and you know you rock witcha bad self. i just mean they don't _have_ to look sloppy. this is just an obscure corner on the poi map, like Uganda or the yucatan or London or something. and you don't have to like it or be cool like us even though you know you want to , (afterschool special...) just try it once, man, five pounds, you'll like it, don't you want people to like you? -Such a price the gods exact for song: to become what we sing
-Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.
-When the center of the storm does not move, you are in its path.
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oh and my earlier post... read that not thiknking in terms of moves (atom) but families of moves (atom) sorry i guess that could be confusing otherwise.
oh and my earlier post... read that not thiknking in terms of moves (atom) but families of moves (atom) sorry i guess that could be confusing otherwise.
-Such a price the gods exact for song: to become what we sing
-Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.
-When the center of the storm does not move, you are in its path.
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Posted:
whats that bluecat,
you're talking about plan disipline
and you swing with stretchy sock poi
surely some mistake :LOL:
trinity (if i understand it right) isn't plane braking any more than most of the classical moves like cross follow or reels.
but, I'm doing it all wiith contact balls nowdays not poi
i reckon I got it all nicely worked out. it makes perfect sense.
what you got here,
is a system,
everything works,
with everything else.
now if only dom would lend me that copy of 3d studio max
I'll cook some brains other than my own
skips off whistling the the style of someone who just ordered ten 3" acrylics
and 6 of them are UV
smug git
whats that bluecat,
you're talking about plan disipline
and you swing with stretchy sock poi
surely some mistake :LOL:
trinity (if i understand it right) isn't plane braking any more than most of the classical moves like cross follow or reels.
but, I'm doing it all wiith contact balls nowdays not poi
i reckon I got it all nicely worked out. it makes perfect sense.
what you got here,
is a system,
everything works,
with everything else.
now if only dom would lend me that copy of 3d studio max
I'll cook some brains other than my own
skips off whistling the the style of someone who just ordered ten 3" acrylics
and 6 of them are UV
smug git
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failing to make myself clear methinks(well, arashi understands, but drew?)
i'm talking PERSONALLY!!!! i don't like the way they make ME do nasty things to planes. not anyone else.
and socks both stretchy and non don't have to be nonplanar.... where did you get that idea from?
waaaarg just found a whole new family of things to play with today tho so back to poilove again
and you never know, one day i might like these
love
R
failing to make myself clear methinks(well, arashi understands, but drew?)
i'm talking PERSONALLY!!!! i don't like the way they make ME do nasty things to planes. not anyone else.
and socks both stretchy and non don't have to be nonplanar.... where did you get that idea from?
waaaarg just found a whole new family of things to play with today tho so back to poilove again
and you never know, one day i might like these love
R
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Posted:
yo,
yes, boxes are open atoms, and i now thing you can rotate boxes too with the 90 plane braek, which is easier than trinity, i think....
I am begging to understand hypes more as i work through box (atom) hypes and i suppose what yopur talking about is going from weave to atom in a hyp, and therefore into butterfly hyp?
what are thease foundation movements? im all up for boffin up on the basics (no sniggers please)
later.
T
p.s. i realised that this has turned into a 'what the hell are you onabout' post but then you hinters out there (and you aint the only one by a long way arashi, see blues last post) are anoying to the true text feinds like myself, I dont care about videos, I need concepts! :P
yo,
yes, boxes are open atoms, and i now thing you can rotate boxes too with the 90 plane braek, which is easier than trinity, i think....
I am begging to understand hypes more as i work through box (atom) hypes and i suppose what yopur talking about is going from weave to atom in a hyp, and therefore into butterfly hyp?
what are thease foundation movements? im all up for boffin up on the basics (no sniggers please)
later.
T
p.s. i realised that this has turned into a 'what the hell are you onabout' post but then you hinters out there (and you aint the only one by a long way arashi, see blues last post) are anoying to the true text feinds like myself, I dont care about videos, I need concepts! :P
This is a post by tom, all spelling is deleberate
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old hand
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Posted:
Hey [Nx?]
Here's a concept just for you, to help with the visualisation of 90 degree plane changes. No time to explain, hope it 'paints a thousand words'
m
Non-Https Image Link
Hey [Nx?]
Here's a concept just for you, to help with the visualisation of 90 degree plane changes. No time to explain, hope it 'paints a thousand words'
m
Non-Https Image Link
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Posted:
well i got that cos I've never seen clean planes with stretchy poi,
and I've very very rarely seen clean timing with them either. :thumbs down:
even spinners who are clean with good poi.
that why I really dislike them soo much,
that and they're a bloody 'orrible pair or socks.
you don't want me to go into a reason why with the mechanics of oscilating damped springs do you.
Socks keep them on feet
Quote:
and socks both stretchy and non don't have to be nonplanar.... where did you get that idea from?
well i got that cos I've never seen clean planes with stretchy poi,
and I've very very rarely seen clean timing with them either. :thumbs down:
even spinners who are clean with good poi.
that why I really dislike them soo much,
that and they're a bloody 'orrible pair or socks.
you don't want me to go into a reason why with the mechanics of oscilating damped springs do you.
Socks keep them on feet
Pooh-Bah
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Posted:
what a pretty little diagram.
can't see how trinity atoms are easier than normal trinity. interesting...
what a pretty little diagram.
can't see how trinity atoms are easier than normal trinity.
interesting... -Such a price the gods exact for song: to become what we sing
-Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.
-When the center of the storm does not move, you are in its path.
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and glass, everyfaery knows, socks go on your ARMS .
and glass, everyfaery knows, socks go on your ARMS .
-Such a price the gods exact for song: to become what we sing
-Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.
-When the center of the storm does not move, you are in its path.
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Posted:
aaah but i've always known you to be a poi snob drew
and wouldn't change that for anything
aaah but i've always known you to be a poi snob drew
and wouldn't change that for anything
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I think i'm starting to understand....
This is some seriously cool stuff and opens up a whole new world of cool [censored] to learn...
Thanks guys... keep pushin the boundaries and we'll keep tryin to catch up
I think i'm starting to understand....
This is some seriously cool stuff and opens up a whole new world of cool [censored] to learn...
Thanks guys... keep pushin the boundaries and we'll keep tryin to catch up
He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
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Wow, i found trinity to be quite easy after figuring it has nothing to nexus moves, but my new love, and it soooo easy, is atomic weaves... which if anyone here understands totally breaks what most people concider to be "the right planes", if you cant understand, try to do your weave horozontal or in plane english the worst weave u can do.
Wow, i found trinity to be quite easy after figuring it has nothing to nexus moves, but my new love, and it soooo easy, is atomic weaves... which if anyone here understands totally breaks what most people concider to be "the right planes", if you cant understand, try to do your weave horozontal or in plane
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Posted:
Hate to dig up old threads, but I was so happy to find this one!
Discovered these from a very inspirational drumming session. Here's my take on the whole business
Normally a good weave moves between two planes, one on each side, back and forth between, no matter how many beats you add or how you turn.
Another perfectly good way to do a weave is to add in another plane. Instead of having two planes at points that are 180º apart, we move to having three planes at points that are 120º apart. We have the freedom to move between two or three points in this weave which is what I believe arashi refers to as trinity (please correct me if i'm wrong ). It seems to me that there should be new planes between the ceiling and floor as well, although I haven't explored this facet fully. Thoughts?
To those who have expressed their dislike for these techniques, please try looking at it this way: breaking the planes is the first step to finding new ways of forming them. Your planes can be different and still be clean.
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Discovered these from a very inspirational drumming session. Here's my take on the whole business
Normally a good weave moves between two planes, one on each side, back and forth between, no matter how many beats you add or how you turn.
Another perfectly good way to do a weave is to add in another plane. Instead of having two planes at points that are 180º apart, we move to having three planes at points that are 120º apart. We have the freedom to move between two or three points in this weave which is what I believe arashi refers to as trinity (please correct me if i'm wrong
). It seems to me that there should be new planes between the ceiling and floor as well, although I haven't explored this facet fully. Thoughts?To those who have expressed their dislike for these techniques, please try looking at it this way: breaking the planes is the first step to finding new ways of forming them. Your planes can be different and still be clean.
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Posted:
In between floor and ceiling would be the front wall plane if your planes are 120º apart
In between floor and ceiling would be the front wall plane if your planes are 120º apart
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Location: durham
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Location: durham
Posted:
this planes thing...
has anyone else experimented with changing a buzzsaw hyperloop in the horizontal plane into a bf hyperloop in the vertical plane (or, of course, vice versa)? is this the plane change you are all talking about? (not the trinity plane change stuff)
this planes thing...
has anyone else experimented with changing a buzzsaw hyperloop in the horizontal plane into a bf hyperloop in the vertical plane (or, of course, vice versa)? is this the plane change you are all talking about? (not the trinity plane change stuff)
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Location: Austin, Texas, USA
Posted:
sorry to pick up an old part of the thread, but...
Actually, plane breaks can be quite elegant, and frankly I wouldn't know how to spin without them anymore.
Although I do hear where you are coming from in not wanting to force changes in angular momentum, adhearing strictly not breaking planes is extremely restrictive and violating planes can actually look better than sticking to them - often times much better.
I agree it does look awkward when begginers do it I agree, but watch someone like arashi spin for a while and you'll fall in love with it. Learn to do it at the right times and make it feel right and wide new spinning doors are open to you.
But I am going to back off again and give the disclaimer that beggininers should learn their planes and learn not to break them. breaking planes should come much later.
Written by: MillenniuM
I must agree with Bluecat... it is my understanding that anything but a 90 degree or 180 degree or 360 degree turn is a plane break, which look forced and ugly in my opinion. I'm sure you can make it look spectacular, they're just not my thing
sorry to pick up an old part of the thread, but...
Actually, plane breaks can be quite elegant, and frankly I wouldn't know how to spin without them anymore.
Although I do hear where you are coming from in not wanting to force changes in angular momentum, adhearing strictly not breaking planes is extremely restrictive and violating planes can actually look better than sticking to them - often times much better.
I agree it does look awkward when begginers do it I agree, but watch someone like arashi spin for a while and you'll fall in love with it. Learn to do it at the right times and make it feel right and wide new spinning doors are open to you.
But I am going to back off again and give the disclaimer that beggininers should learn their planes and learn not to break them. breaking planes should come much later.
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Location: Austin, Texas, USA
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Posted:
Ooo... I like that - and think I might be able to manage it in a reasonable amount of time!
Off to spin now... Oh wait -I'm at work!!! damn!
Written by: bez
has anyone else experimented with changing a buzzsaw hyperloop in the horizontal plane into a bf hyperloop in the vertical plane (or, of course, vice versa)?
Ooo... I like that - and think I might be able to manage it in a reasonable amount of time!
Off to spin now... Oh wait -I'm at work!!! damn!
-v-
Wiederstand ist Zwecklos!
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