onewheeldaveGOLD Member Carpal \'Tunnel 3,252 posts Location: sheffield, United Kingdom
Posted: After a recent post on another thread where I mentioned that I'd done things to diminish symtoms of 'classical migraine' (a form of migraine preceeded by visual disturbances) I recieved a pm from someone with similar symptoms asking what I'd done to reduce them.
I thought if I posted my reply as a new thread it may be useful to others who suffer from this.
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I still get migraines as much as I used to, but the headaches tend to be a lot less severe, often no worse than a normal headache whereas they used to be horrific, often with nausea.
I recommend getting hold of a book called 'Migraine' by Oliver Sacks, he's done some serious research into the subject and I remember that his was the first migraine book I'd seen that had pictures of the visual auras that preceed the attacks.
Over the years I read other books with theories about them being caused by diet etc, but I was unable to isolate the cause of my migraines.
Oliver Sacks reckoned there was no specific cause and that migraines were related to epilepsy and manic depression i.e. them being the same condition expressed as different frequencies with epilepsy being fast and intense, manic depression being mood disturbance over a long period, and migraine falling between the two.
He believed that all three were caused by a multitude of causal factors, some emotional and some physical.
In terms of how to deal with an attack, his advice was to drink a very strong cup of tea (caffiene dilates the arteries in the brain) then lie down in a quiet dark room).
Around this time I'd been analysing my habitual ways of trying to deal with attacks, and started, with the aid of some concepts in the book and some ideas from new age type philosophies, to develop better ways.
Prior to this, my reaction when the visual aura appeared would be one of anger, fear and helplessness.
I resented the fact that this thing sprung up from nowhere, seemingly at random, and signalled that the rest of the day was going to consist of extreme pain and waves of nausea.
I resented deeply the fact that a day was being stolen from me.
I also refrained from eating because I knew that in a few hours I would be vomiting.
The main things I changed at this time was to eat something as soon as the aura commenced, to drink a strong cup of black tea, and to refrain from feeling strong negative emotions like resentment/anger.
One thing I used to be more positive about the aura was a reference in Sacks book to Saint Hildegard, a medieval saint.
She was famous for her visions of God which inspired her to produce religious paintings and music.
Sack, and other researchers, were of the opinion that she was a migraine sufferer and that her visions of God were in fact migraine auras (they concluded this partly by her surviving paintings of what she saw).
I tried to get into that mindset of seeing the aura as a positive/divine visual 'show', rather than a harbinger of pain. Sometimes this was easy and I could lay back and watch the zagged moving patterns of light with a sense of peace, other times I couldn't deny the fact that I hated them.
I found that when the aura passed, the ensuing headache was much less severe (sometimes almost non existent) and there would be no nausea.
Later on there were occasions when I couldn't have the tea or eat (for example I might be in town) and the headache was still less severe.
Ocassionally the headache would be severe, but on the whole, most weren't, and it's been many, many years since I've vomited during an attack, whereas, as a child, this would always happen.
Of course, it's possible that the migraines improvement was nothing to do with the changes I made, some people find the symtoms diminish as they get older.
It's difficult to say which of the three things (food, tea, mental approach) was the crucial factor, or if it was a combination, or something else entirely.
In the event of an aura I still endeavour to do all three, I have no inclination to experiment by doing none to see if I get the same migraines I had as a child.
My feeling is that there is a scientific basis for the tea/caffiene. The food possibly works because I am sensitive to going without eating for a few hours, so as a child, refraining from eating during an attack could well have made the headache worse.
Diffusing fear/anxiety/negative emotions is something I've found to be useful in many circumstances, so it's feasible that it can help with migraines.
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Astarmember 1,591 posts Location: Nova Scotia, Canada.
Posted: I wonder if it's possible for the problem with the brain that causes migraines to change it's form to manic depression or epilepsy? After my migraines went away was when I really started having a hard time with my mind. Although it wasn't truely full out manic depression (I was diagnosed with manic depression by a resident psychiatrist once but it was apparently a miss diagnosis because apparently my moods aren't unstable enough for manic depression, but they are to instable for traditional concepts of depression. Also several times ive had a very strange metal like taste in my mouth that wouldn't go away and didn't correspond with anything I ate, although it seemed to correspond with times of very unstable mood.
[ 12. November 2003, 19:21: Message edited by: Astar ]
EeraBRONZE Member old hand 1,107 posts Location: In a test pit, Mackay, Australia
Posted: The best tip I was ever given is to put your hands in the hottest water you can stand as it makes the blood vessals in your head relax. It works as a short term thing.
There is a slight possibility that I am not actually right all of the time.
PeleBRONZE Member the henna lady 6,193 posts Location: WNY, USA
Posted: The other theory about St. Hilde is that she suffered from mild Schizophrenia, along with Joan of Arc and a few other prominent historic figures.
Let's see, at it worst my Migraines accompanied an infection I had in my blood stream, causing vertigo, blackout, vomiting and excruciating pain. Took a year and a bout of bad tonsilitis to figure that out.
I get sinus migraines terribly which are not so far removed from normal ones. I start with a stuffy nose and from there I get grumpy because your body knows it is going to be uncomfortable. Then a pain slowly starts behind your eyes and vision is shakey. Then the pressure builds behind your face and feels like it should explode. The the pain expands from there, growing and pulsing. Sound hurts. Light hurts. Vertigo kicks in followed by nausea. And no amount of sinus medication seems to actually help, but it will take the edge off long enough to sleep.
Hot presses over the nose and cheeks and sometimes the temples helps. And on the back of the neck as well. If I can stand I try to take a **really** hot shower.
If you look at the majority of migraine medication it contains caffiene. Caffiene speeds up heart rate, increasing blow flow and thus opening those vessels and pushing things along. It does help take the edge off so I can sleep a bit, so I tend to drink a wee bit of coke or coffee.
Pressure. Pressing gently on the temple does help a bit.
My friend Sandy (and the many she has now doing this) swears by Icey Hot or BenGay on her temples. It makes sense, something made to relax muscles would help to get things to loosen up if it is stress headache. The strong menthalated smell would help a sinus headache. And the overall opening of bloodflow and the pressure from rubbing it in would help too. I always forget to buy Icey Hot at the store so I haven't tried it.
My mother used to get them because she is allergic to about 30 things. And I am mildly allergic to the sun, especially strong summer sun. One good day in it and I end up with a migraine, a stuffy nose and an itchy rash until I can build up my yearly accustomed-ness to it.
My friends wife is epileptic and the only time she has a headache is after a seizure, my niece as well with her recent bout with seizures.
A lack of nutrients can cause headaches, even migraines.
Stress is one of the top factors with many migraines.
Epilepsy is misfirings, miswiring in the brain. Depression is a chemical imbalance in the body, a lack of proper nutrition/vitamin intake, the inability to handle the current environment a person is in for emotional/mental reasons, the list goes on. There are oodles and oodles of forms of depression, and they are not all the same causes. So of course migraines fall somewhere in the middle. They deal with your head and they can be for any host of reasons. Sorry but this sounds to me way too vague and broad, and not as if it helps diagnosis at all. In other words, nothing causes them, you just get migraines because you do. If a Dr. told me that he would be finding the bill unpaid and a letter questioning his professionalism in his place made public. We have aches and pains for reasons, not just because our body wants us to. (I have not read the book but there are many articles out there available from that same author, and I am not impressed with any of them. They make sense but his observations are way too broad to be supported.)
Perhaps yours is something to do with chemical imbalance Dave, and this also causes the mood swings. (no offense here) Many women suffer the exact same thing during PMS. Hormones are flipping around and the body is changing, so the body reacts. Because of this many women are on "hormone therapy" (ie: they take the pill, or other form of synthetic hormone) to help even things out. This has happened with a few of my friends and one of my sisters. Men's hormones do not stay even keel either, so it is possible. I'm not an expert and I don't pretend to be, you know your body better than anyone, but I am throwing out that there are many possible reasons.
The only way to really "cure" them is to find the cause. But sometimes we don't look in all the right places. I had to keep a journal logging when my struck, how long they hit for, how bad they hit, the symptoms with them and I had to take it to the dr's., of which I went to 3...a nuerospecialist, and ear-nose-throat specialist and a general health practitioner. They looked for patterns and commonalities through that journal to help identify the source. In that time we found they were not as severe or long lasting if I had been outside exposed to the sun (solving vitamin deficiencey) or if I had eaten more fruits and drank more water.
Aster, when I was in herbalism class I learned the "metal" taste is some kind of bodily reaction to a need for iron. If you talk to alot of anemics, (of which I used to be really badly) they will get that taste, develop a baddish mood and get a headache and then they would eat red meat, spinach, take iron drops or pills and everything would even out. I will say that you mentioned the one thing I forgot, eating things rich in iron and vitamins C and D helped me alot with non-sinus headaches, migraines or not.
As I said I am no expert. I only know what I, and those around me, have been through....and the one commonality is that migraines are never fun.
*edit to add comment to Aster*
[ 13. November 2003, 04:32: Message edited by: Pele ]
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Posted: I'm gradually getting migranes, but they get worse each time... I was recently prescribed some meds to take just before I get them. Mine tend to be a normal headache, but super sensitivity to light and sound, and it feels like there's a clamp on both of my temples. Also, I have sinus trouble, I get a breif intense sinus headache before it rains (about a day before).
The problem is, I took the meds for the first time last Thursday, and then on Sunday I had severe heart palipitations, so I was told by an ER doc to not have them anymore. So, now, I could get stuck, with no meds... which means I won't be able to reliably determine wether they work well for me or not.
But I'll try the bengay on the temples bit, that might do a bit. I also take really hot showers if I can stand, Pele.
I actually think I'm getting one now, too... Ugh.
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