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well, first of all it's a hype.
that alone would turn me off in the first place. But second - and most important - the components of said cellphone are worth about half of what the phone sells for.
ISuppli unscrewed the phone and valued the components:
The market for cellphones is well saturated already. Companies seem to only be able to make a big profit when they put a brand, like "Apple iPhone" on it.
It's not worth to go for - I reckon.
well, first of all it's a hype.
that alone would turn me off in the first place. But second - and most important - the components of said cellphone are worth about half of what the phone sells for.ISuppli unscrewed the phone and valued the components:
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Apple and Cingular will see a nearly 50 percent gross margin on each iPhone sold, giving the companies “a hefty profit, as well as plenty of room for future price cuts,” according to a preliminary Bill of Materials (BoM) estimate by iSuppli.
“iSuppli estimates the 4GB version of the Apple iPhone will carry a $229.85 hardware BoM and manufacturing cost and a $245.83 total expense, yielding a 49.3 percent margin on each unit sold at the $499 retail price,” said Andrew Rassweiler, teardown services manager and senior analyst for iSuppli. “Meanwhile, the 8GB Apple iPhone will sport a $264.85 hardware cost and a $280.83 total expense, amounting to a 46.9 percent margin at the $599 retail price.”
The market for cellphones is well saturated already. Companies seem to only be able to make a big profit when they put a brand, like "Apple iPhone" on it.
It's not worth to go for - I reckon.
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Yeah. Because we all know that only Apple iPhones have a huge margin on their expense, and every other product we buy is worth exactly what we pay for it.
Yeah. Because we all know that only Apple iPhones have a huge margin on their expense, and every other product we buy is worth exactly what we pay for it.
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I wouldn't buy one either really,, but lucky me,, company i work for is going to get a shed load of em when they ship over here in the UK later this year,, and that doth indeed rock.
Although carefull,, the Apple Zealots might get you
I wouldn't buy one either really,, but lucky me,, company i work for is going to get a shed load of em when they ship over here in the UK later this year,, and that doth indeed rock.
Although carefull,, the Apple Zealots might get you
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You're right Birgit, actually if you buy this one:
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at least you get you money worth in blood and suffering from the blingbling
You're right Birgit, actually if you buy this one:
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at least you get you money worth in blood and suffering from the blingbling
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arrrrrrrr thats hideous Tom heh
arrrrrrrr thats hideous Tom heh
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Sh!t, Tom, I'm blind! Thank God I can touchtype...
Seriously though, I doubt that most people who can afford a 600$ phone (or think they need one) will be worried about the 47% margin
I was more annoyed about the fact that in most countries, they seem to cooperate with only one phone company (t-mobile in Germany), so that you're forced to take their tariffs with the phone if you want it. Free competition...?
Disclaimer: My phone doesn't even have a camera, a colour display, polyphonic ringtones or anything like that, so this is a bit like being upset at Mercedes for charging too much for a metallic gloss on the S-class...
Sh!t, Tom, I'm blind! Thank God I can touchtype...
Seriously though, I doubt that most people who can afford a 600$ phone (or think they need one) will be worried about the 47% margin
I was more annoyed about the fact that in most countries, they seem to cooperate with only one phone company (t-mobile in Germany), so that you're forced to take their tariffs with the phone if you want it. Free competition...?
Disclaimer: My phone doesn't even have a camera, a colour display, polyphonic ringtones or anything like that, so this is a bit like being upset at Mercedes for charging too much for a metallic gloss on the S-class...
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yupp, the above goes for 1.3 .... yes million dollars...
I buy second hand cellphones, nope I'm not into that hype of having to have ... and even though I love the godfather's song of Morricone, I don't have it downloaded. I reckon it's all a scam...
However - and that's why I posted iPhone here - the margin on cellphones is not that high... which is why the Apple shares soared by 50% since they announced a cellphone launch...
yupp, the above goes for 1.3 .... yes
million dollars...I buy second hand cellphones, nope I'm not into that hype of having to have ... and even though I love the godfather's song of Morricone, I don't have it downloaded. I reckon it's all a scam...
However - and that's why I posted iPhone here - the margin on cellphones is not that high... which is why the Apple shares soared by 50% since they announced a cellphone launch...
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since consumerism kicked off some people have and allways will pay for labels and a brand name. people have different values, and to some people value for money isnt that important. hence things like iphones and mercedes and green and blacks chocolate...
since consumerism kicked off some people have and allways will pay for labels and a brand name. people have different values, and to some people value for money isnt that important. hence things like iphones and mercedes and green and blacks chocolate...
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They shouldn't do that no no no
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I'm not interested in one but component cost isn't something to get heated about.
it's not like every copy of XP,Vista isn't sold at a thousand percent markup on the CD/DVD cost, or any other software at hundreds. There's R&D costs for them to recoup.
I'm not interested in one but component cost isn't something to get heated about.
it's not like every copy of XP,Vista isn't sold at a thousand percent markup on the CD/DVD cost, or any other software at hundreds. There's R&D costs for them to recoup.
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okay, now HoP this is the 180 Millionth and first website, where we talk about iPhone. According to an article in German newspaper "Sueddeutsche" the amount that Apple and AT&T charge their customers to use this phone in a two year period.
I guess it's hysterical that people queue up and camp for this item, just to be the first ones to get it.
More than that, I believe it's perverted (consumerism). Honestly - if it wasn't funny - I would have to start puking about the fact that maybe more people care for the iPhone than for the war in Iraq...
okay, now HoP this is the 180 Millionth and first website, where we talk about iPhone. According to an article in German newspaper "Sueddeutsche" the amount that Apple and AT&T charge their customers to use this phone in a two year period.
I guess it's hysterical that people queue up and camp for this item, just to be the first ones to get it.
More than that, I believe it's perverted (consumerism). Honestly - if it wasn't funny - I would have to start puking about the fact that maybe more people care for the iPhone than for the war in Iraq...
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offtopic but did you see the news article about the US TV reporter who refused to read a piece about paris hilton first over news on iraq, she tried to shred her script on air
offtopic but did you see the news article about the US TV reporter who refused to read a piece about paris hilton first over news on iraq, she tried to shred her script on air
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Ever bought a lemonade or a coke? I don't even want to know about their margin...
And about the queuing, people do it for Harry Potter, too, although there's not even a limited supply while the iPhone's first delivery's already sold out. Wizard's First Law applies (People are Stupid). I suppose it gives them something to talk about, one woman was quoted saying it was like pregnancy
Ever bought a lemonade or a coke? I don't even want to know about their margin...
And about the queuing, people do it for Harry Potter, too, although there's not even a limited supply while the iPhone's first delivery's already sold out. Wizard's First Law applies (People are Stupid). I suppose it gives them something to talk about, one woman was quoted saying it was like pregnancy
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side note: i heard a bunch of people were having problems getting service for their iphones. i suspect its due to everyone trying to get (whatever company)'s service at teh same time.
side note: i heard a bunch of people were having problems getting service for their iphones. i suspect its due to everyone trying to get (whatever company)'s service at teh same time.
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A 50% mark up on components isn't actually that much, which is why Apple also take a small slice of the line rental fees to compensate. Ever bought a bottle of water? Guess the mark up on that!
A 50% mark up on components isn't actually that much, which is why Apple also take a small slice of the line rental fees to compensate. Ever bought a bottle of water? Guess the mark up on that!
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Markup on soft drink and bottled water is MASSIVE!
At my job#1, a glass of coke costs $3.
At my job#2, it will cos you $2.20.
How much does it cost us? Well according to my previous job; about 3 to 8 cents per glass (they were charging $3 a glass too...and were so stingy they made staff write down their consumption! )
And as far as I know, Mount Franklin Water (very popular one here) costs them about 15c...and gets sold for up to $3. $3.50 if it's an event.
Markup on soft drink and bottled water is MASSIVE!
At my job#1, a glass of coke costs $3.
At my job#2, it will cos you $2.20.
How much does it cost us? Well according to my previous job; about 3 to 8 cents per glass (they were charging $3 a glass too...and were so stingy they made staff write down their consumption!
) And as far as I know, Mount Franklin Water (very popular one here) costs them about 15c...and gets sold for up to $3. $3.50 if it's an event.
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The thing that bothers me is that this iPhone isn't actually SECURE!, I made a post about it in help several nights ago.
People are already able to hack into your iPhone, via it's web browser.
Personally I'd wait for a second or third generation.... but then I wouldn't buy one!! not with a measly 4 or 8 GB HDD... for €500-€600 estimated retail price here in Italy, I'd want 80GB... for that money.... to me it looks like I'd have to wait 6-10 years before they release an iPhone 80GB version.
I certainly don't understand the hype!... it's a phone/ipod go figure... a 2 day wait to be a first buyer!.. not like they will run out of stock if you just wait till the release date is it.
No one seems to have patience these days... it's all I want, I want and must be the first to have every thing.
The thing that bothers me is that this iPhone isn't actually SECURE!, I made a post about it in help several nights ago.
People are already able to hack into your iPhone, via it's web browser.
Personally I'd wait for a second or third generation.... but then I wouldn't buy one!! not with a measly 4 or 8 GB HDD... for €500-€600 estimated retail price here in Italy, I'd want 80GB... for that money.... to me it looks like I'd have to wait 6-10 years before they release an iPhone 80GB version.
I certainly don't understand the hype!... it's a phone/ipod go figure... a 2 day wait to be a first buyer!.. not like they will run out of stock if you just wait till the release date is it.
No one seems to have patience these days... it's all I want, I want and must be the first to have every thing.
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The same reason you don't buy or use any Apple product.
The same reason you don't buy or use any Apple product.
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Bump..
Just found this...
https://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/200707iphonesurveillance.htm
:oO
Bump..
Just found this...
https://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/200707iphonesurveillance.htm
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Most bluetooth phones are at risk from stuff anyways. This isn't really surpiring anyway. I know the Blackberry has protection software though, so prehaps this is something Mac should look into.
In respons to firetom's original post though:
Uh... Duh.
Half the crap we pay for is overpriced. I just spent 50 quid on 30 DVDs as a christmas present and I still feel ripped off. How is it surpirsing that the iPhone is any different? Sure, its not an ideal world, but when has it been?
Most bluetooth phones are at risk from stuff anyways. This isn't really surpiring anyway. I know the Blackberry has protection software though, so prehaps this is something Mac should look into.
In respons to firetom's original post though:
Uh... Duh.
Half the crap we pay for is overpriced. I just spent 50 quid on 30 DVDs as a christmas present and I still feel ripped off. How is it surpirsing that the iPhone is any different? Sure, its not an ideal world, but when has it been?
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I honestly question MOST people's need for that stuff. I know a person who lives out on the road and camping. His blackberry is a convenient way to keep email and phone contact without having is laptop out all the time.
I would never have bought the iPhone because I think it's nothing but a status symbol. "I have a real need for a phone, that also holds a bunch of music, and can surf the internet really slowly AND has a touch screen, because that really makes the difference."
I need a phone that calls people. I need a phone that receives calls. The fact that they all have mother fuckin cameras on them now just means I can take a picture at incredibly short notice but that was never really a deal breaker. I just get the free phones my cellphone provider gives me.
I honestly question MOST people's need for that stuff. I know a person who lives out on the road and camping. His blackberry is a convenient way to keep email and phone contact without having is laptop out all the time.
I would never have bought the iPhone because I think it's nothing but a status symbol. "I have a real need for a phone, that also holds a bunch of music, and can surf the internet really slowly AND has a touch screen, because that really makes the difference."
I need a phone that calls people. I need a phone that receives calls. The fact that they all have mother fuckin cameras on them now just means I can take a picture at incredibly short notice but that was never really a deal breaker. I just get the free phones my cellphone provider gives me.
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the business speak for this is a 'differentiation strategy'
the theory: as long as they're providing a product that's different to thers on the market, more desirable (for whatever reason) then they can pretty much charge what they like.
the practice: Apple's competitive advantage centres around brand and innovation. In terms of R&D they're one of the more 'fluffy' companies. However I won't go into the LG furore or the irony of SDK being announced at the same time as android or even the agreement which SDK users have to sign
I'm not surprised at the price: if you look at who they're competing with it makes sense. Don't ever think that businesses don't have their survival, their director's bonuses and their shareholders' happiness as their top priorities.
The marketing plan will have been done quite carefully, making sure that they sell as many as they can for as much as they can. Hence even if they may had the technology for larger capacity phones now, they'd probably sell the smaller ones in stages so they could make more money.
We'll probably see the iPhone open up to different network providers once Apple reckons it's achieved market saturation or comes out with a next big thing.
The only way I can see it possibly being worth it for me is if my phone, Mp3 player, camera and computer all got destroyed in one night. And even then, I don't use contract phones because they're too hard to keep track of!
the business speak for this is a 'differentiation strategy'
the theory: as long as they're providing a product that's different to thers on the market, more desirable (for whatever reason) then they can pretty much charge what they like.
the practice: Apple's competitive advantage centres around brand and innovation. In terms of R&D they're one of the more 'fluffy' companies. However I won't go into the LG furore or the irony of SDK being announced at the same time as android or even the agreement which SDK users have to sign
I'm not surprised at the price: if you look at who they're competing with it makes sense. Don't ever think that businesses don't have their survival, their director's bonuses and their shareholders' happiness as their top priorities.
The marketing plan will have been done quite carefully, making sure that they sell as many as they can for as much as they can. Hence even if they may had the technology for larger capacity phones now, they'd probably sell the smaller ones in stages so they could make more money.
We'll probably see the iPhone open up to different network providers once Apple reckons it's achieved market saturation or comes out with a next big thing.
The only way I can see it possibly being worth it for me is if my phone, Mp3 player, camera and computer all got destroyed in one night. And even then, I don't use contract phones because they're too hard to keep track of!
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most electrical products are sold at prices in great excess of the manufacturing costs. clothes companies have been doing it for years with much bigger margins.
any phone with bluetooth+3g stuff is a potential 'security' risk. would be interesting to know how many people who write articles/worried about this stuff use software on their computers which carries as much risk, possibly even more.
i reckon its a case of protect yourself or STFU
most electrical products are sold at prices in great excess of the manufacturing costs. clothes companies have been doing it for years with much bigger margins.
any phone with bluetooth+3g stuff is a potential 'security' risk. would be interesting to know how many people who write articles/worried about this stuff use software on their computers which carries as much risk, possibly even more.
i reckon its a case of protect yourself or STFU
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I have mine and it's got it's issues. But I do like the fact that I can be standing anywhere and go "Is there a decent Indian place around here?" and instantly know where one is. Or look up times for the nearest swim practice. Or get any other information I want. I know there are other phones that can do stuff it can't, but it just does it so seamlessly. Especially as a mac owner.
I have mine and it's got it's issues. But I do like the fact that I can be standing anywhere and go "Is there a decent Indian place around here?" and instantly know where one is. Or look up times for the nearest swim practice. Or get any other information I want. I know there are other phones that can do stuff it can't, but it just does it so seamlessly. Especially as a mac owner.
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So I've just got an iPod touch and I'm cpmpletly on love with it in fact I'm using it right now to post this. Happy days!
So yeah I can see why people want iPhone's. If wifi is great, completly mobile must be fantastic.
So I've just got an iPod touch and I'm cpmpletly on love with it
in fact I'm using it right now to post this. Happy days!So yeah I can see why people want iPhone's. If wifi is great, completly mobile must be fantastic.
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LOL @ the discussion. Its a phone! If it suits your need then you use it! If not then you get another model! It doesn't warrant a freaky discussion on modern consumerism!
LOL @ the discussion. Its a phone! If it suits your need then you use it! If not then you get another model! It doesn't warrant a freaky discussion on modern consumerism!
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