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Login/Join to Participate110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY
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Location: London
3,149 posts
Location: London
Posted:
yes, i know. If i'm innocent, i have nothing to fear. blah blah blah.
but i'll keep avoiding the oyster, thank you very much.
Written by: www.theregister.co.uk
Police in London are making increasing use of journey information logged by people using Oyster cards. The smartcards store information on all bus, train and tube journeys taken in the last two months.
In 2004, the Metropolitan Police made just seven requests for travel information. But in January of this year alone the Met asked for travel information on 61 people. This increase is partly explained by the increasing use of Oyster cards.
The police have almost always been granted their requests - in 229 cases out of the total 243 they were granted the information requested.
yes, i know. If i'm innocent, i have nothing to fear. blah blah blah.
but i'll keep avoiding the oyster, thank you very much.
"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
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Location: South Wales
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Location: South Wales
Posted:
I just dont have mine registered to me thankfully.
I use that pre pay system instead.
I just dont have mine registered to me thankfully.
I use that pre pay system instead.
110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY
3,149 posts
Location: London
3,149 posts
Location: London
Posted:
ah, which means that if you lose the card, LU get to keep all the lovely money you put on it
ah, which means that if you lose the card, LU get to keep all the lovely money you put on it
"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
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Posted:
But it means they don't know where you live and don't know that you visit soho every day on your lunch break....
And that my friend is priceless
But it means they don't know where you live and don't know that you visit soho every day on your lunch break....
And that my friend is priceless
"I used to want to change the world, now I just wanna leave the room with a little dignity..." - Lotus Weinstock
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Location: South Wales
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Posted:
Monkey, you should know I dont put more than £10 on it at any one time.
I also have it araldited to the back of my right hand
Monkey, you should know I dont put more than £10 on it at any one time.
I also have it araldited to the back of my right hand
Carpal \'Tunnel
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Posted:
typical BABYLON
did you also know that ASDA and other big super markets have more info on you than MI5 
i've heard a few people get caught out for things because their buying habbits changed so much in a short time
typical BABYLON
did you also know that ASDA and other big super markets have more info on you than MI5 i've heard a few people get caught out for things because their buying habbits changed so much in a short time
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Location: South Wales
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Posted:
Can you cite presidence?
(or other equivalent)
Written by: Ravehead
id you also know that ASDA and other big super markets have more info on you than MI5
Can you cite presidence?
(or other equivalent) 110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY
3,149 posts
Location: London
3,149 posts
Location: London
Posted:
Well maybe not as much as MI5
If they did, then i reckon MI5 would be only too happy to buy the information.
rest of the article here
Well maybe not as much as MI5
If they did, then i reckon MI5 would be only too happy to buy the information.
Written by: The Guardian
Tesco stocks up on inside knowledge of shoppers' lives
· Crucible database is exhaustive - and secret
· Government bodies are tapped for information
Heather Tomlinson and Rob Evans
Tuesday September 20, 2005
The Guardian
Tesco is quietly building a profile of you, along with every individual in the country - a map of personality, travel habits, shopping preferences and even how charitable and eco-friendly you are. A subsidiary of the supermarket chain has set up a database, called Crucible, that is collating detailed information on every household in the UK, whether they choose to shop at the retailer or not.
The company refuses to reveal the information it holds, yet Tesco is selling access to this database to other big consumer groups, such as Sky, Orange and Gillette. "It contains details of every consumer in the UK at their home address across a range of demographic, socio-economic and lifestyle characteristics," says the marketing blurb of dunnhumby, the Tesco subsidiary in question. It has "added intelligent profiling and targeting" to its data through a software system called Zodiac. This profiling can rank your enthusiasm for promotions, your brand loyalty, whether you are a "creature of habit" and when you prefer to shop. As the blurb puts it: "The list is endless if you know what you are looking for.
rest of the article here
"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
Carpal \'Tunnel
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Posted:
well simian knew what i was on about
bloody babylon
well simian knew what i was on about
bloody babylon
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OMGWTFBBQ! <- Jacks' complete lack of surprise at simians article.
What did you think capitalism and the information age would get up to when they snuggled down in the same bed? Tesco are just leveraging their assets, as any big company would do.
But I would be more worried about tesco's database than any police database, since it's motivated by something other than the public good; money. So it'll be larger and more complete than any police database and it'll have all of the supermarkets pre-made pyschology algorithms applied to it.
You will buy stuff. Oh yes you will.
It's all for the good of the economy. Who cares about the local community or the environment or the future...
OMGWTFBBQ! <- Jacks' complete lack of surprise at simians article.
What did you think capitalism and the information age would get up to when they snuggled down in the same bed? Tesco are just leveraging their assets, as any big company would do.
But I would be more worried about tesco's database than any police database, since it's motivated by something other than the public good; money. So it'll be larger and more complete than any police database and it'll have all of the supermarkets pre-made pyschology algorithms applied to it.
You will buy stuff. Oh yes you will.
It's all for the good of the economy. Who cares about the local community or the environment or the future...
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Location: South Wales
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Posted:
wow blimey..
I hadnt heard of that!
point taken
wow blimey..
I hadnt heard of that!
point taken
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enthusiast
222 posts
Location: London, United Kingdom
enthusiast
222 posts
Location: London, United Kingdom
Posted:
Isn't it funny that we all moan about all the information that people hold on us. One of the few things they can't really gather are our deep opinions on some issues that don't come out in our shopping habits.
And yet we're quite happy to post some of our deepest secrets and most candid views on a website that anyone could access. Crazy
we're giving the info away!
Isn't it funny that we all moan about all the information that people hold on us. One of the few things they can't really gather are our deep opinions on some issues that don't come out in our shopping habits.
And yet we're quite happy to post some of our deepest secrets and most candid views on a website that anyone could access. Crazy
we're giving the info away! SILVER Member
coming to a country near you
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coming to a country near you
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Location: home of the tiney toothy bear, Australia
Posted:
no its entirely different. we choose freely to say what we want on the net, we do not choose to be monitored and manipulated for the corporate good.
GOSH
that article is news to me.
Written by: Irinus
Isn't it funny that we all moan about all the information that people hold on us. One of the few things they can't really gather are our deep opinions on some issues that don't come out in our shopping habits.
And yet we're quite happy to post some of our deepest secrets and most candid views on a website that anyone could access. Crazy
no its entirely different. we choose freely to say what we want on the net, we do not choose to be monitored and manipulated for the corporate good.
GOSH
that article is news to me. "but have you considered there is more to life than your eyelids?"
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water based
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Location: melbourne, Australia
water based
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Location: melbourne, Australia
Posted:
for those of us on the other side of the world, what is this oyster thing?
for those of us on the other side of the world, what is this oyster thing?
"you know there are no trophys for doing silly things in real life yeah pete?" said ant "you wont get a 'listened to ride of the valkyries all the way to vietnam' trophy"
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Location: Behind you. With Jam
Posted:
Pete, it's a method of paying for public transport via top-up swipe/scan card. Instead of queuing for ages to by a ticket for bus AND tube every so often you top up the card and instead of buying the ticket on the bus or inserting the ticket into the turnstiles at the tube station you just swipe thecard over the scanner and it automatically deducts the value of the journey from the card (in Hong Kong - the similar Octopus System allows you to buy items from local shops as well as being able to top up there)
Pete, it's a method of paying for public transport via top-up swipe/scan card. Instead of queuing for ages to by a ticket for bus AND tube every so often you top up the card and instead of buying the ticket on the bus or inserting the ticket into the turnstiles at the tube station you just swipe thecard over the scanner and it automatically deducts the value of the journey from the card (in Hong Kong - the similar Octopus System allows you to buy items from local shops as well as being able to top up there)
"I used to want to change the world, now I just wanna leave the room with a little dignity..." - Lotus Weinstock
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I make my own people.
607 posts
Location: Nashville, Tennessee, USA
I make my own people.
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Location: Nashville, Tennessee, USA
Posted:
Is this forced upon you, or are you choosing to be monitored in exchange for convenience?
Is this forced upon you, or are you choosing to be monitored in exchange for convenience?
Carpal \'Tunnel
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Posted:
good point............glad i don't live in london
Written by: Patriarch917
Is this forced upon you, or are you choosing to be monitored in exchange for convenience?
good point............glad i don't live in london
Dreamer
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Location: York, England
4,308 posts
Location: York, England
Posted:
We're trying out something oyster like here in nyc now... and despite the issues that come with it, there's quite a bit of money to be saved... Might just as well....
<-- Is feeling very resigned about privacy issues right now
We're trying out something oyster like here in nyc now... and despite the issues that come with it, there's quite a bit of money to be saved... Might just as well....
<-- Is feeling very resigned about privacy issues right now
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Liquid Cow
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Location: High Wycombe, England
Liquid Cow
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Location: High Wycombe, England
Posted:
It's choosing to be monitored in exchange for convenience and slightly cheaper fares.
Although, as I think UCOF's mentioned already, you can get oyster cards that don't involve giving out all of your details.
Written by: Patriarch917
Is this forced upon you, or are you choosing to be monitored in exchange for convenience?
It's choosing to be monitored in exchange for convenience and slightly cheaper fares.
Although, as I think UCOF's mentioned already, you can get oyster cards that don't involve giving out all of your details.
But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
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Posted:
I speak only hypothetically of course. I could go into flights of fancy saying that they meet assorted characters, probably with a perchant for pink fluff, tutus, cowboy hats and whips...
But I won't...
I speak only hypothetically of course. I could go into flights of fancy saying that they meet assorted characters, probably with a perchant for pink fluff, tutus, cowboy hats and whips...
But I won't...
"I used to want to change the world, now I just wanna leave the room with a little dignity..." - Lotus Weinstock
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1 + 1 = 3
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Posted:
Hmmm...
That kinda reminds me of Flaming Deity...
Written by: Neon_Shaolin
they meet assorted characters, probably with a perchant for pink fluff, tutus, cowboy hats and whips...
Hmmm...
That kinda reminds me of Flaming Deity...
Empty your mind. Be formless, Shapeless, like Water.
Put Water into a cup, it becomes the cup, put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, put water into a teapot, it becomes the teapot.
Water can flow, or it can Crash.
Be Water My Friend.
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nothing gets past you does it ed
cole. x
nothing gets past you does it ed
cole. x
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i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
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Location: Bristol UK
1 + 1 = 3
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Location: Bristol UK
Posted:
You'd be surprised when it's this early in the morning...
You'd be surprised when it's this early in the morning...
Empty your mind. Be formless, Shapeless, like Water.
Put Water into a cup, it becomes the cup, put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, put water into a teapot, it becomes the teapot.
Water can flow, or it can Crash.
Be Water My Friend.
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Posted:
So much for subtle allusions...
I'm giving on trying to be subtle. It never works...
OI! OYSTER CARDS!!! NOOOOO!!!!
So much for subtle allusions...
I'm giving on trying to be subtle. It never works...
OI! OYSTER CARDS!!! NOOOOO!!!!
"I used to want to change the world, now I just wanna leave the room with a little dignity..." - Lotus Weinstock
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Posted:
a friend of someone i work with, works at asda and got a warning for not scanning items fast enough at the tills...! So it wouldn't surprise me much.... There was also a programme on recently about how they use surveillance to make call centre workers more efficient... i.e. to discipline their arses if they don't take enough calls....
but then... isn't it obvious that loyalty cards were invented for purposes of corporations to work out what you spend money on and try to get you to buy more of the same and other exciting "similar products we think you will like"?
Doesn't really explain why Boots sent me a money off voucher for nappies the other day, when i thankfully am not young, old or incontinent enough to need them, so who knows what gave them the idea that i might wander in to buy Pampers at some point before the 15th of August... couldn't even pop a baby out in that amount of time!
Written by: ravehead
typical BABYLON
i've heard a few people get caught out for things because their buying habbits changed so much in a short time
a friend of someone i work with, works at asda and got a warning for not scanning items fast enough at the tills...! So it wouldn't surprise me much.... There was also a programme on recently about how they use surveillance to make call centre workers more efficient... i.e. to discipline their arses if they don't take enough calls....
but then... isn't it obvious that loyalty cards were invented for purposes of corporations to work out what you spend money on and try to get you to buy more of the same and other exciting "similar products we think you will like"?
Doesn't really explain why Boots sent me a money off voucher for nappies the other day, when i thankfully am not young, old or incontinent enough to need them, so who knows what gave them the idea that i might wander in to buy Pampers at some point before the 15th of August... couldn't even pop a baby out in that amount of time!
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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B to the A to the B to the Y to the L to the O to the N
BABYLON
B to the A to the B to the Y to the L to the O to the N
BABYLON
eat my face before i eat yours
253 posts
Location: Torquay, UK
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Location: Torquay, UK
Posted:
just a thought, but how much information do people give out freely on sites such as myspace about themselves. there is a lot more personal information there than in a shopping list or travel information etc. and this is available to anyone with Internet access.
*edit* but then again i just thought that the information they gather is taken mainly against our will or without our knowledge.
EDITED_BY: Mr_widd (1152111452)
just a thought, but how much information do people give out freely on sites such as myspace about themselves. there is a lot more personal information there than in a shopping list or travel information etc. and this is available to anyone with Internet access.
*edit* but then again i just thought that the information they gather is taken mainly against our will or without our knowledge.
EDITED_BY: Mr_widd (1152111452)
Carpal \'Tunnel
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Posted:
i keep that to a minimum, why should i let the whole world know my YIM, or MSN and WHY would i put my location?
i keep that to a minimum, why should i let the whole world know my YIM, or MSN and WHY would i put my location? 110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY
3,149 posts
Location: London
3,149 posts
Location: London
Posted:
ok, people aren't so shocked about London Transport and Tesco spying on them...
How about anyone having access to your medical records?
Read this dude's most excellent rant
(which has just prompted me to write a letter to my MP for the first time ever...)
ok, people aren't so shocked about London Transport and Tesco spying on them...
How about anyone having access to your medical records?
Read this dude's most excellent rant
(which has just prompted me to write a letter to my MP for the first time ever...)
"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
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Momma Bear
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Momma Bear
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Posted:
i had no idea about this Simian. Big Brother is watching.
i had no idea about this Simian. Big Brother is watching.
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