Chief adviser to the Pharaoh, in one very snazzy mutli-coloured coat
'Time goes by so slowly for those who wait...' - Whatever Happend To Baby Madonna?
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
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Sorry Joe I totally don't get what your on about, I don't really see a problem, most of the abuse you seem to be claiming is given to some members actually seems to all be hurled at you, or is there any other members here who feel the same way?
I agree with Beth that it seems that a lot fo the topics you start are the ones that get the negative response's, are you just bitter?
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I don't think I have ever been abused, or had abuse hurled at me... Never even had someone to tell me to do a search...
How come Joe gets all the attention ah?
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I'd best not answer that
Chief adviser to the Pharaoh, in one very snazzy mutli-coloured coat
'Time goes by so slowly for those who wait...' - Whatever Happend To Baby Madonna?
Come faeries, take me out of this dull world, for I would ride with you upon the wind and dance upon the mountains like a flame.
- W B Yeats
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HOP has always had circles of friends who like to talk and joke with one another, and like any other circle it can be hard to break into but moaning 'mommy they won't let me be their friend' doesn't exactly make people want to befriend one
Chief adviser to the Pharaoh, in one very snazzy mutli-coloured coat
'Time goes by so slowly for those who wait...' - Whatever Happend To Baby Madonna?
Come faeries, take me out of this dull world, for I would ride with you upon the wind and dance upon the mountains like a flame.
- W B Yeats
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
Aim high and you'll know your limits, aim low and you'll never know how high you could have climbed.
Chief adviser to the Pharaoh, in one very snazzy mutli-coloured coat
'Time goes by so slowly for those who wait...' - Whatever Happend To Baby Madonna?
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
Written by: onewheeldave
Personally, I don't think that if someone raises an issue, they're somehow obliged to fix it- many people who can identify an issue aren't necessarily capeable of finding a solution to it.
The insults of your enemy are a tribute to your bravery
Written by: coleman
joe's post did not really highlight anything about hop that could be openly discussed - mainly, he vented his frustrations, the main thrust of the post simply accusing some members of the board of unpleasent behaviour:
"members who are slightly old school taking offense to it, they attack new members, jump on throw away threads which dont have any real substance to them and do everything they can to discredit it/the poster and shoot them down."
joe gave no reference to where he thinks this has happened and then goes on to admit that he thinks that "Most of it its done behind closed doors, in msn messenger and probably through pms".
so basically its a post that says "i think people are talking about other people behind their backs".
personally, i don't think that a "get over it" reply to an 'observation' like this is unwarranted.
joes post even ends in a threat: "if you dont like me or anyone else for that matter have the decency to stay out of my/there way because I will start publicly showing my dislike to everyone who does it" which i don't think is very conducive to initiating a calm discussion.
cole. x
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dave - i agree with most of your points but they are very generalised observations - do they apply directly to this thread and if so, where?
cole. x
Written by: Kat
Bloody Newbies! Its not like it used to be!! ; )
HOP has always had circles of friends who like to talk and joke with one another, and like any other circle it can be hard to break into but moaning 'mommy they won't let me be their friend' doesn't exactly make people want to befriend one. I'm so oldschool these days I should be given a flaming zimmer frame! However as I rarely post here I would have to start making friends from scratch too. But thats part of the fun my friends : )
I rarely check HOP anymore as its too PG for my dirty mind and I bring my smut elsewhere : )
(please check thesaurus for word 'joke' if you didn't pick up on the first comment.
Written by: coleman
out of interest, how many posts in this thread do you think qualify as bullying and have you reported them as such?
cole. x
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
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Personally, I don't think that if someone raises an issue, they're somehow obliged to fix it- many people who can identify an issue aren't necessarily capeable of finding a solution to it.
I don't think they are obliged to fix it, but I do think they're oblidged to do more about it than bitch. Otherwise, they're just bitching. If they have a vested interest in the outcome they should put some effort in affecting it.
The tone on HoP is something that individual members can do something about. Bitching about bitches is hypocritical and counter productive. There are many occations where bitterness has provoked members to try and counter that with warmth and love. Jem's thread on 'comforts' was such a sweet one. There are plenty of folks who've taken actual EFFORT to change the vibe to a more positive one.
There are two groups of people, those that do, and those that do nothing. All too often, it's those that do nothing that bitch the loudest.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
Written by: onewheeldave
However, it solves nothing and it aids in excluding and pushing away those individuals.
The insults of your enemy are a tribute to your bravery
kyrian: I've felt your finger connect with me many times
lou kitten: sneaky little meatball..
ezz: please corrupt me more
ohmygodlaserbeamspewpewpew!
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If you have a problem with someone, there's no need to go shouting it from the rooftops
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Dismissing these issues and 'bitching' is convenient in that we can them go about our business safe in the knowledge that there isn't a real problem and that those who think there is are simply 'wrong' or over-sensitive.
However, it solves nothing and it aids in excluding and pushing away those individuals.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
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Written by: Sethis
I kinda get the sneaking suspicion that maybe I, among other people, have been guilty of the "Pack mentality" OWD describes. However, I would like to think that when I have done so, I have done so because of reasons better than "Everyone else is doing it, so I'll join in."
If I disagree with someone, it will be because of what they have posted, not because of what my personal opinion of that person is. I argue with Patriarch 917 quite a lot, but I acknowledge that he does have a sense of humour that I like. I disagree with what he says, but I have no "grudge" and (I hope) no tendency to "Victimise".
I guess I'm just pointing out that there is a difference between:
Post -> Pack Mentality.
and
Post -> Lots of disagreement.
Just because lots of people disagree with a person doesn't make them guilty of bullying the person. It might simply be that the poster has done one of the following:
Posted something offensive
Posted in a way that several people feel is offensive
Posted inaccurate/useless information
Posted something that people feel strongly about, and moreover, s/he is in the minority on the subject.
Erm... to sum up: Just because lots of people seem to end up shouting at someone doesn't automatically make them guilty of bullying.
Wow... that was more coherent than some of the work I'm getting graded on...
(and 38 posts since I logged on this morning? Slow down )
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Erm... to sum up: Just because lots of people seem to end up shouting at someone doesn't automatically make them guilty of bullying.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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Written by: Sethis
Sorry, I think that might have been a misuse of the word "Shouting" on my part.
I meant it in the sense that people are strenuously disagreeing with the argument that the poster is making.
Not that people are calling the person offensive names and/or bullying them.
I try (and I think everyone else does too) to make my posts relevant, polite and sensible. Problem is, it's sometimes difficult to do that. I *know* I've personally attacked people in the past, hopefully not that recently. I think though, that if someone *is* being repeatedly insulted then maybe they could spare a couple of minutes to wonder why?
I'm not endorsing personal attacks, but:
If one person calls you a idiot, ignore them.
If two people call you a idiot, get a third opinion.
If three people call you a idiot, go back to your village, they're missing you.
Like I said, I'm not condoning personal attacks, bullying or victimisation. I'm just wondering that maybe instead of responding to a lot of disagreement by saying "You're all elitist and bullies" you might think "Hey, maybe I *am* in the wrong". God knows I've felt that a lot when I'm in Discussion
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If one person calls you a idiot, ignore them.
If two people call you a idiot, get a third opinion.
If three people call you a idiot, go back to your village, they're missing you.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
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