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I'm really interested to see what you lovely people think the world is, what it means, what your induvidual unique perspective is.
Personally, I see the world and life as the same thing. We are made of nutrients that, when we die, return to the planet to make new leaves on trees, gases in the air, and drops of water that fall as rain and meet the sea. And we keep going around and around like this. That's why I feel a connection with life, with other people who I never met, and with the sea and the sky and such. That's why I like to walk in the woods and lie on the grass, and why I hate things that pollute and bugger up the balance of the world. If I had to think about a soul, I'd say my soul is a kind of ancestral memory of all the things every cell in my body has been over time. Because, at the end of the day, there's only a certain number of atoms in the universe. Mine didn't just *appear* when I was born or conceived, nor did they grow from nothingness.
It makes me feel good to look out on the countryside and know that I am part of it and it is part of me.
Less so the city.
This is my spirituality, my religion.. I guess you could say I believe in reincarnation, but it's more than just life after life... it's all the inbetween bits too. I like the thought of being carried on the wind to the other side of the world and being born again a frog in a rainforest somewhere. Or the leaf that it's sitting on. Or both.
I'm really interested to see what you lovely people think the world is, what it means, what your induvidual unique perspective is.
Personally, I see the world and life as the same thing. We are made of nutrients that, when we die, return to the planet to make new leaves on trees, gases in the air, and drops of water that fall as rain and meet the sea. And we keep going around and around like this. That's why I feel a connection with life, with other people who I never met, and with the sea and the sky and such. That's why I like to walk in the woods and lie on the grass, and why I hate things that pollute and bugger up the balance of the world. If I had to think about a soul, I'd say my soul is a kind of ancestral memory of all the things every cell in my body has been over time. Because, at the end of the day, there's only a certain number of atoms in the universe. Mine didn't just *appear* when I was born or conceived, nor did they grow from nothingness.
It makes me feel good to look out on the countryside and know that I am part of it and it is part of me.
Less so the city.
This is my spirituality, my religion.. I guess you could say I believe in reincarnation, but it's more than just life after life... it's all the inbetween bits too. I like the thought of being carried on the wind to the other side of the world and being born again a frog in a rainforest somewhere. Or the leaf that it's sitting on. Or both.
What a wonderful miracle if only we could look through each other's eyes for an instant.
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Well, an interesting topic!
Cities etc aren't a part of the circle you mean? Cos concrete stays as concrete? Anyways in 3 million years that concrete will decompose and become dirt again, and from that new life will grow...
My outlook is a little more spiritual. Matter (the atoms) are condensed energy, after all, and it is the energy that binds us. Some would say I was a jedi, but I base my opinions on scientific fact. For example the energy that you give off (the batteries of the Matrix, sorry I will quote a lot of films here) can interact and fuel other living beings, i.e when you get a bad feeling about a place, 9 times out of ten there will be a reason, faith healing, the fact that plants give off brainwave energy (they know if someone is bad to them) We have devoted our lives to understanding that which our 5 senses can pick up, but thats the obvious stuff, what about the things that cannot be readily explained? The scientific fact part is: Your body loses 21 grams of weight when you die, but noone knows what, last time i looked... It was pure energy created in the big bang, and matter just coalesced from that energy. I believe god is the energy that we all share, which is why you feel good in green places, cos theres more living things loving the earth and feasting on the energy that fuels us all, even if that energy is a hamburger.
PS The meaning of life is to love, without love we never change, and change, flux, and chaos is the universe. Love brings order to that chaos, a stability that we need, a positive energy that fuels us all.
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Well, an interesting topic!
Cities etc aren't a part of the circle you mean? Cos concrete stays as concrete? Anyways in 3 million years that concrete will decompose and become dirt again, and from that new life will grow...
My outlook is a little more spiritual. Matter (the atoms) are condensed energy, after all, and it is the energy that binds us. Some would say I was a jedi, but I base my opinions on scientific fact. For example the energy that you give off (the batteries of the Matrix, sorry I will quote a lot of films here) can interact and fuel other living beings, i.e when you get a bad feeling about a place, 9 times out of ten there will be a reason, faith healing, the fact that plants give off brainwave energy (they know if someone is bad to them) We have devoted our lives to understanding that which our 5 senses can pick up, but thats the obvious stuff, what about the things that cannot be readily explained? The scientific fact part is: Your body loses 21 grams of weight when you die, but noone knows what, last time i looked... It was pure energy created in the big bang, and matter just coalesced from that energy. I believe god is the energy that we all share, which is why you feel good in green places, cos theres more living things loving the earth and feasting on the energy that fuels us all, even if that energy is a hamburger.
PS The meaning of life is to love, without love we never change, and change, flux, and chaos is the universe. Love brings order to that chaos, a stability that we need, a positive energy that fuels us all.
Thanks for the opportunity to share that with you.
Any Questions? See me after class...
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That's a similar thing to Krishna Conciousness... there's a part of Krishna in the heart of every living thing (simplified version)...
Thanks for posting that, I really enjoyed reading it!
And you're welcome, btw
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I believe god is the energy that we all share
Thanks for the opportunity to share that with you.
That's a similar thing to Krishna Conciousness... there's a part of Krishna in the heart of every living thing (simplified version)...
Thanks for posting that, I really enjoyed reading it!
And you're welcome, btw
What a wonderful miracle if only we could look through each other's eyes for an instant.
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I'm a Gaiaist:
see the following for a mainstream version - if you are interested, I'll get into my personal view on it:
Evolving Gaia theory
Gaia Sporing
I'm a Gaiaist:
see the following for a mainstream version - if you are interested, I'll get into my personal view on it:
Evolving Gaia theory
Gaia Sporing
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Wow... that's amazing. I've heard of Gaiaism (?) before but never really understood it! It seems in certain ways a lot like what I believe, and I'm definatley going to look into it further. Thanks a lot
I'd really like to hear your take on it though!
All these theories remind me of the tattva principle.. sorry, old Kula Shaker fan here... but acintya bheda bheda tattva=the simultaneous inconceivable difference and non-difference of reality. Simplified version - everything is the same as you and you are the same as everything else. You are a part of a whole. But you are valuable, unique and the way you exist is unique and important in the context of the history of the universe. Lovely!
Wow... that's amazing. I've heard of Gaiaism (?) before but never really understood it! It seems in certain ways a lot like what I believe, and I'm definatley going to look into it further. Thanks a lot
I'd really like to hear your take on it though!
All these theories remind me of the tattva principle.. sorry, old Kula Shaker fan here... but acintya bheda bheda tattva=the simultaneous inconceivable difference and non-difference of reality. Simplified version - everything is the same as you and you are the same as everything else. You are a part of a whole. But you are valuable, unique and the way you exist is unique and important in the context of the history of the universe. Lovely!
What a wonderful miracle if only we could look through each other's eyes for an instant.
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I think that concept lies at the heart of most world philosophies and religions. and science - complexity & chaos theory, deep ecology, gaia theory - 'holistic' science it's been called. A world where everything's determined, but nothing is determined, the only moment that matters is the current moment and that's forever a different moment to the one that was....
And in the spirit of that philosphy I'd say that my world view is a whole made up of all those parts, plus more.... i can't really describe it more than that or i wouldn't.. nay, couldn't finish!
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Simplified version - everything is the same as you and you are the same as everything else. You are a part of a whole. But you are valuable, unique and the way you exist is unique and important in the context of the history of the universe. Lovely!
I think that concept lies at the heart of most world philosophies and religions. and science - complexity & chaos theory, deep ecology, gaia theory - 'holistic' science it's been called. A world where everything's determined, but nothing is determined, the only moment that matters is the current moment and that's forever a different moment to the one that was....
And in the spirit of that philosphy I'd say that my world view is a whole made up of all those parts, plus more.... i can't really describe it more than that or i wouldn't.. nay, couldn't finish!
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Thats a very interesting topic vanize. i've only read the first paper you posted there, will get around to the second one tomorow.
Somethings that stood out.
This in relation to bio diversity and the rain forest example is very compelling.
also
Brilliant, and proven.
It seems to fall down after that though.
Like i said i only read the first paper, so im not forming any opinions. The missing links were openly stated in the paper, which is great and gives credit to the science so i'll go read some more. Maybe you could share some of your thoughts on the theory? pm?
Sorry folks if that seemed a bit off topic.
I promise to come back tomorow post my own feelings on the earth and the universe and how i relate to it.
I like this subject
Thats a very interesting topic vanize. i've only read the first paper you posted there, will get around to the second one tomorow.
Somethings that stood out.
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The whole system of life and its material environment is self-regulating at a state comfortable for the organisms
This in relation to bio diversity and the rain forest example is very compelling.
also
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these gases would oxidise in the stratosphere and then produce an aerosol of sulphuric acid that would reflect sunlight and so cool the Earth
Brilliant, and proven.
It seems to fall down after that though.
Like i said i only read the first paper, so im not forming any opinions. The missing links were openly stated in the paper, which is great and gives credit to the science so i'll go read some more. Maybe you could share some of your thoughts on the theory? pm?
Sorry folks if that seemed a bit off topic.
I promise to come back tomorow post my own feelings on the earth and the universe and how i relate to it.
I like this subject
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Being a Gaiaist sounds pretty gay to me.
ok..... I know.... bad joke.
Being a Gaiaist sounds pretty gay to me.
ok..... I know.... bad joke.
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you put me off! i was ready to explain myself, but now i have to muse over jokes...
ok, now im in the frame, ill describe.
im not a spiritual person-i once considered myself to be, but it was a load of bullocks. i tend to put some things in major harsh light, or major rosy light (like love), and when it comes to religion or my conception of the world, its all a bit harsh. i believe humans are animals, with a greater intelligence to other animals. we evolved that way. obviously some of the crazy stuff turtles do naturally is something we had to invent etc, but i think it has something to do with the concious mind. part of our brain developed in that way, so viola (but this is only from memory so prob wrong)
also that we create the evil-its not punishment from a god/s(it/they doesn't/don't exist). there is no afterlife. when we die, that's it. that part of the brain that contains the concious thought shuts down, so all your thoughts, feelings, what i point at to be the spirit, stop. there's no regret after your death-you just die. you won't see your family mourn, and although the idea that you'll be missed and remembered is a comforting one, you won't be there to witness it.
as you can tell, its a bit all over the place, and i havent reached a judgement about basically anything that im happy with. i believe that, but its uncomfortable. weirdly, i think its influence from my dad.
i think religion's like that. its all believe; two scientists come accross this clearing in the middle of a forest. it's beautiful; the sun is shining, the birds are singing, there are flowers, and small woodland creatures a-roaming. one scientist says "look at this beauty. there must be a gardener somewhere to keep this clearing looking so beautiful". the second scientist was unsure-he agreed with the beauty, but wanted to meet this gardener. so they set up microphones to try to detect him. but when they played back the recordings they found nothing, so they set up cameras around the clearing, so try and capture the gardener. away they went, and when they returned days later, the camera showed no such gardeners. for years and years they ran hundreds or different tests, had different arguements, different theories, but they still had no proof that the gardener existed, apart from the beautiful clearing.
and yet the first scientist still believed there was something there, something who tended the garden, and the only evidence he had was his belief.
it might be my character or my reaslessness, but i can't accept that there is a god.
also that there is no such thing as fate, and love is only an emotion, although it is tricky and great and horrible
you put me off! i was ready to explain myself, but now i have to muse over jokes...
ok, now im in the frame, ill describe.
im not a spiritual person-i once considered myself to be, but it was a load of bullocks. i tend to put some things in major harsh light, or major rosy light (like love), and when it comes to religion or my conception of the world, its all a bit harsh. i believe humans are animals, with a greater intelligence to other animals. we evolved that way. obviously some of the crazy stuff turtles do naturally is something we had to invent etc, but i think it has something to do with the concious mind. part of our brain developed in that way, so viola (but this is only from memory so prob wrong)
also that we create the evil-its not punishment from a god/s(it/they doesn't/don't exist). there is no afterlife. when we die, that's it. that part of the brain that contains the concious thought shuts down, so all your thoughts, feelings, what i point at to be the spirit, stop. there's no regret after your death-you just die. you won't see your family mourn, and although the idea that you'll be missed and remembered is a comforting one, you won't be there to witness it.
as you can tell, its a bit all over the place, and i havent reached a judgement about basically anything that im happy with. i believe that, but its uncomfortable. weirdly, i think its influence from my dad.
i think religion's like that. its all believe; two scientists come accross this clearing in the middle of a forest. it's beautiful; the sun is shining, the birds are singing, there are flowers, and small woodland creatures a-roaming. one scientist says "look at this beauty. there must be a gardener somewhere to keep this clearing looking so beautiful". the second scientist was unsure-he agreed with the beauty, but wanted to meet this gardener. so they set up microphones to try to detect him. but when they played back the recordings they found nothing, so they set up cameras around the clearing, so try and capture the gardener. away they went, and when they returned days later, the camera showed no such gardeners. for years and years they ran hundreds or different tests, had different arguements, different theories, but they still had no proof that the gardener existed, apart from the beautiful clearing.
and yet the first scientist still believed there was something there, something who tended the garden, and the only evidence he had was his belief.
it might be my character or my reaslessness, but i can't accept that there is a god.
also that there is no such thing as fate, and love is only an emotion, although it is tricky and great and horrible
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Really odd you should mention this... I used it in my first-year philosophy final!
Really interesting points, and a really original and persuasive view... I guess our uncomfortability with death is another evolutionary trait, that for the continuation of the species, we must be deeply concerned with death in order that we have strong motivation to avoid it. Strange how some cultures (primarily warrior-based cultures) embrace death, accept it... Celtic warriors would kill themselves on the feild of battle if they weren't victorious, because the Otherworld held no fear for them (and it was far better than slavery, at any rate). They were pretty famous for it at the time!
"I'm not into religion, I'm into spirituality. All religions do is split people up. I thought it was about bringing people together" the wise man say
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two scientists come accross this clearing in the middle of a forest...
Really odd you should mention this... I used it in my first-year philosophy final!
Really interesting points, and a really original and persuasive view... I guess our uncomfortability with death is another evolutionary trait, that for the continuation of the species, we must be deeply concerned with death in order that we have strong motivation to avoid it. Strange how some cultures (primarily warrior-based cultures) embrace death, accept it... Celtic warriors would kill themselves on the feild of battle if they weren't victorious, because the Otherworld held no fear for them (and it was far better than slavery, at any rate). They were pretty famous for it at the time!
"I'm not into religion, I'm into spirituality. All religions do is split people up. I thought it was about bringing people together" the wise man say
What a wonderful miracle if only we could look through each other's eyes for an instant.
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I wouldn't say that is entirely true, I believe our uncomfortability with death is more of a cultural thing. Humans have evolved to feel emotion and to feel sometimes unbearable grief and loss of someone we are close to, that much is true. The question so many people ask is why? And so we come up with beliefs, stories and religions to bring piece of mind... that i believe is the way we have evolved....
Culturally, well i'd just like to point out that 'taboos' have most certainly switched since the victorian age* - sex and death - back then sex was far more taboo than death and now we practically cannot avoid sex in advertising, on tv.. everywhere, but death is generally perceived as a bit gross and a bit scary... maybe because faith in a story of heaven/hell is no longer as general in western culture? we no longer really have any idea what might happen after death and it's always the unknown that's the scary thing - for post filled with related philsophy on the subject of faith check the thread about religion comparisons...
* If anyone's interested and not easily freaked, it's well worth doing a bit of research re: memento mori. I think the literal translation of which is "remember to die" the term is applied to a wide selection of various art works, sculpture - material objects in general and photographs - things which represent death for the living. for a general gist, check the first website on google, it gives an idea -
https://www.cmp.ucr.edu/terminals/memento_mori/default.html
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I guess our uncomfortability with death is another evolutionary trait, that for the continuation of the species, we must be deeply concerned with death in order that we have strong motivation to avoid it. Strange how some cultures (primarily warrior-based cultures) embrace death, accept it... Celtic warriors would kill themselves on the feild of battle if they weren't victorious, because the Otherworld held no fear for them (and it was far better than slavery, at any rate). They were pretty famous for it at the time!
"I'm not into religion, I'm into spirituality. All religions do is split people up. I thought it was about bringing people together" the wise man say
I wouldn't say that is entirely true, I believe our uncomfortability with death is more of a cultural thing. Humans have evolved to feel emotion and to feel sometimes unbearable grief and loss of someone we are close to, that much is true. The question so many people ask is why? And so we come up with beliefs, stories and religions to bring piece of mind... that i believe is the way we have evolved....
Culturally, well i'd just like to point out that 'taboos' have most certainly switched since the victorian age* - sex and death - back then sex was far more taboo than death and now we practically cannot avoid sex in advertising, on tv.. everywhere, but death is generally perceived as a bit gross and a bit scary... maybe because faith in a story of heaven/hell is no longer as general in western culture? we no longer really have any idea what might happen after death and it's always the unknown that's the scary thing - for post filled with related philsophy on the subject of faith check the thread about religion comparisons...
* If anyone's interested and not easily freaked, it's well worth doing a bit of research re: memento mori. I think the literal translation of which is "remember to die" the term is applied to a wide selection of various art works, sculpture - material objects in general and photographs - things which represent death for the living. for a general gist, check the first website on google, it gives an idea -
https://www.cmp.ucr.edu/terminals/memento_mori/default.html
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I can see your point totally, but don't you think that religion is more of a cultural phenomenon, and the question why is the evolutionary one? And people are generally afraid of the unknown (or at least so it seems to me)...
I think it's a bit chicken and egg... hard to think about!
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I wouldn't say that is entirely true, I believe our uncomfortability with death is more of a cultural thing. [...] The question so many people ask is why? And so we come up with beliefs, stories and religions to bring piece of mind... that i believe is the way we have evolved....
I can see your point totally, but don't you think that religion is more of a cultural phenomenon, and the question why is the evolutionary one? And people are generally afraid of the unknown (or at least so it seems to me)...
I think it's a bit chicken and egg... hard to think about!
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um... yes i think i see a bit clearer what you mean by that now. I do think that people have an evolutionary need to understand death and so there is the question "why die?" no-one can really answer that though... so what we create are the stories that say "what happens, when..." this is part of religion, it is created by cultures and so yes... that is a cultural construct.
BUT there is no reason to feel 'uncomfortable' about death, it is perfectly natural and inevitable. Yes, we do have an evolutionary desire to avoid it for as long as possible, but the cultural aspect is what teaches us to embrace it or not when it comes. I think you are totally right, and it probably is a combination of both.
It does seem to me though that in this country (and others) we are far more likely to try and hide death and to create an atmosphere around it that makes you feel uncomfortable.... through the objects associated with death and the fact that it always seems to be hidden and revealed only for shock value by the media. It all conspires to build it up into some hideous thing, whereas like i said it is just the circle of life.... i think it probably also has something to do with the inability to predict or prevent... i feel sorry for the poor folk who invest their life savings to be cryogenically frozen and are then taken by surprise and can't be frozen quick enough, actually... i don't.
um... yes i think i see a bit clearer what you mean by that now. I do think that people have an evolutionary need to understand death and so there is the question "why die?" no-one can really answer that though... so what we create are the stories that say "what happens, when..." this is part of religion, it is created by cultures and so yes... that is a cultural construct.
BUT there is no reason to feel 'uncomfortable' about death, it is perfectly natural and inevitable. Yes, we do have an evolutionary desire to avoid it for as long as possible, but the cultural aspect is what teaches us to embrace it or not when it comes. I think you are totally right, and it probably is a combination of both.
It does seem to me though that in this country (and others) we are far more likely to try and hide death and to create an atmosphere around it that makes you feel uncomfortable.... through the objects associated with death and the fact that it always seems to be hidden and revealed only for shock value by the media. It all conspires to build it up into some hideous thing, whereas like i said it is just the circle of life.... i think it probably also has something to do with the inability to predict or prevent... i feel sorry for the poor folk who invest their life savings to be cryogenically frozen and are then taken by surprise and can't be frozen quick enough, actually... i don't.
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I like this thread - Life, the Universe and everything, eh? It's a biggy.
The question of the exitence of a 'Supreme Being' cannot be answered objectively. The arguement 'for' is no more valid or provable than that 'against' - but a few thoughts, if you will indulge me.
1. Before you can answer the question 'is there a god?', you must first define what a 'god' actually is.
2. Objective scientific methodolgy can never prove either opinion. By any definition, a diety includes an intangible element and so is beyond the reach of the physical sciences.
3. The human mind does not differentiate between objective and subjective reality. The events of a dream are just as real and valid as those of last Friday night down the pub as far as the unconscious is concerned and so, perhaps, the first steps toward answering the Big Questions should be -
"What is a human being and what does this term encompass? Are 'brain' and 'mind' the same thing - and are they truly codependant? Is there any evidence for conscious survival of death?"
Even if there is evidence for conscious survival of death, it still doesn't prove a god, which I suppose is why the Buddhists hold the view they do. Only the individual evolution towards pure spirit and unity with the One Life is of importance.
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I like this thread - Life, the Universe and everything, eh? It's a biggy.
The question of the exitence of a 'Supreme Being' cannot be answered objectively. The arguement 'for' is no more valid or provable than that 'against' - but a few thoughts, if you will indulge me.
1. Before you can answer the question 'is there a god?', you must first define what a 'god' actually is.
2. Objective scientific methodolgy can never prove either opinion. By any definition, a diety includes an intangible element and so is beyond the reach of the physical sciences.
3. The human mind does not differentiate between objective and subjective reality. The events of a dream are just as real and valid as those of last Friday night down the pub as far as the unconscious is concerned and so, perhaps, the first steps toward answering the Big Questions should be -
"What is a human being and what does this term encompass? Are 'brain' and 'mind' the same thing - and are they truly codependant? Is there any evidence for conscious survival of death?"
Even if there is evidence for conscious survival of death, it still doesn't prove a god, which I suppose is why the Buddhists hold the view they do. Only the individual evolution towards pure spirit and unity with the One Life is of importance.
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I have a very differnt perspective on the world than would seem a lot of you. The world, planet, earth, whatever, is a tool for all mankind to use. However, like any tradesman would tell you, you MUST take care of your tools.
Mother Nature has proven her ability to take care of herself, however it is imperitive that we all pitch in with her on these duties. To coin a phrase from a really cheesy commercial, "Don't trash, where you splash!" It is as simple as, take care of your tools and they will take care of you.
Death, is a part of life, just like birth. The spirit is real to me, so is God, it is my understanding that the fear of death comes from a lack of knowing God. To answer the skeptics, yes I am afraid of death. I don't know God, but I know of people who did, and had no fear of death. So that is where I draw my conclusion from.
Well that's my two bits.
I have a very differnt perspective on the world than would seem a lot of you. The world, planet, earth, whatever, is a tool for all mankind to use. However, like any tradesman would tell you, you MUST take care of your tools.
Mother Nature has proven her ability to take care of herself, however it is imperitive that we all pitch in with her on these duties. To coin a phrase from a really cheesy commercial, "Don't trash, where you splash!" It is as simple as, take care of your tools and they will take care of you.
Death, is a part of life, just like birth. The spirit is real to me, so is God, it is my understanding that the fear of death comes from a lack of knowing God. To answer the skeptics, yes I am afraid of death. I don't know God, but I know of people who did, and had no fear of death. So that is where I draw my conclusion from.
Well that's my two bits.
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Location: Croydon,Surrey,UK
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102 posts
Location: Croydon,Surrey,UK
Posted:
This Subject is something that i have mused over for the majority of my life and i think it will still confuse me for along time to come.
I personally belive that everything has a purpose from a grain of sand to the tallest building everything has a reason and everything has its place in society and the world we live in, simpley because its there and for whatever reason it exsisits it has a purpose.
I think that there are also some things that shouldnt exsist ie war, pollution and such, but also if it wasnt for these things we would not be able to recognise that these are wrong. So these can be seen as a training tool for mankind and we can work towards decreaseing if not ceasing their activitie. So yet again it has a purpose and a reason for being.
Oh i dont know as i said i have thought about this a lot and i still cant think of a conclusion for my own beliefs but i can say with distint authoritie that i believe everything has its place in this world for one reason or another.
This Subject is something that i have mused over for the majority of my life and i think it will still confuse me for along time to come.
I personally belive that everything has a purpose from a grain of sand to the tallest building everything has a reason and everything has its place in society and the world we live in, simpley because its there and for whatever reason it exsisits it has a purpose.
I think that there are also some things that shouldnt exsist ie war, pollution and such, but also if it wasnt for these things we would not be able to recognise that these are wrong. So these can be seen as a training tool for mankind and we can work towards decreaseing if not ceasing their activitie. So yet again it has a purpose and a reason for being.
Oh i dont know as i said i have thought about this a lot and i still cant think of a conclusion for my own beliefs but i can say with distint authoritie that i believe everything has its place in this world for one reason or another.
There may be one for everyone but what if there is two for three would that mean none for someone or did they start off without one....
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old hand
1,107 posts
Location: In a test pit, Mackay, Australia
old hand
1,107 posts
Location: In a test pit, Mackay, Australia
Posted:
I like the world. It's where I keep my stuff.
I'm a mining engineer, and my job involves digging huge amounts of rock out of the ground leaving bloody great holes behind, and I cannot see how a human-made hole is considered ugly and morally wrong when natural ones such as Crater Lake, Mt St Helens and Santorini are marvelled at.
I do believe that we are bound together by an energy that comes from within everything, and so far no-one I know has been struck down by a lightning bolt while doing their shift, so I tend to conclude the earth doesn't care either.
Were we getting spiritual here? Sorry.
I like the world. It's where I keep my stuff.
I'm a mining engineer, and my job involves digging huge amounts of rock out of the ground leaving bloody great holes behind, and I cannot see how a human-made hole is considered ugly and morally wrong when natural ones such as Crater Lake, Mt St Helens and Santorini are marvelled at.
I do believe that we are bound together by an energy that comes from within everything, and so far no-one I know has been struck down by a lightning bolt while doing their shift, so I tend to conclude the earth doesn't care either.
Were we getting spiritual here? Sorry.
There is a slight possibility that I am not actually right all of the time.
feminine tiddly pom
505 posts
Location: cambs england
505 posts
Location: cambs england
Posted:
i still cant really believe there's any order At All to the earth. i dont believe there is any energy inside of us, there is no order to the universe as a concious thing, there is no mother nature, no one has a spirit.
i feel tingly when i hear that bit of that song, just the once, or when i see that person it makes me want to Grin, but i dont think we are bound by destiny or fate. its just life-dum de dum on we go.
we're just inbetween bits-ive been musing about this recently. we can look back at the time passed, but we're just as insignificant as the billions, trillions of people that have come before us. ok, people made their mark on the earth as a planet and on other people, some more then others (eg cheers to whoever invented the wheel), but we wont be joining them in some beautiful place.
there are some crazy things that i cannot enter into that ?mind set?, for example dowsing rods. my dad can use them, but, god knows how. he is a surprisingly spiritual person, and so is my mum, and they have had amazing experiences which i find totally baffling but so precious.
so i think life is undefinable, and crazy and can be seen on So many different levels that just silence me
by the way
i still cant really believe there's any order At All to the earth. i dont believe there is any energy inside of us, there is no order to the universe as a concious thing, there is no mother nature, no one has a spirit.
i feel tingly when i hear that bit of that song, just the once, or when i see that person it makes me want to Grin, but i dont think we are bound by destiny or fate. its just life-dum de dum on we go.
we're just inbetween bits-ive been musing about this recently. we can look back at the time passed, but we're just as insignificant as the billions, trillions of people that have come before us. ok, people made their mark on the earth as a planet and on other people, some more then others (eg cheers to whoever invented the wheel), but we wont be joining them in some beautiful place.
there are some crazy things that i cannot enter into that ?mind set?, for example dowsing rods. my dad can use them, but,
god knows how. he is a surprisingly spiritual person, and so is my mum, and they have had amazing experiences which i find totally baffling but so precious. so i think life is undefinable, and crazy and can be seen on So many different levels that just silence me
by the way
in state of metamorphosis
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Poi-tato
183 posts
Location: Iceberg 319, Canada
Poi-tato
183 posts
Location: Iceberg 319, Canada
Posted:
My view on life well I see it as a colorful shell, a painting as it were and I'm the artist I have all the magical colors at my disposal whether I feel the sky should be green, red or blue is entirely my choice, I'm here to live the day as I feel fit to enjoy everylast inch of my consciousness, My purpose to expand my mind beyond the simple constraints of the physical body, to coin a phrase " the world is an oyster it is yourse to shape" I believe that all religions come from the same roots just as music and all life every differing person is a new means of escaping the strains of the physical body and the time we have to do so is measured by our fitness though we all must surrender to the all powerfull consumation of death in the end, but what is death just another means of stepping through the portal into another form of existence.
I once heard a speach a scientist gave that he believed half the universe as we know it consists of anti matter and the other half matter, when one dies their soul is transported to the antimaterial world where they are reborn and live their for the alooted time given and upon death return to the material world, I strongly believe this and that black holes are mearily gateways for each way for the black hole sucks everything even light into it thus giving it the capability to have an entire universe stored within a very small space.
I think I went on alittle rant and lost the topic awhile back there but I guess what I'm trying to say is that life is life live your way its there for you to love and cherish and expand upon once you die learn to relove and relearn all that was lost in the great forgetting that is death...
and the core of my philosophy is just shut up and have a beer get lost in it and love every moment that is the essence of every thing
My view on life well I see it as a colorful shell, a painting as it were and I'm the artist I have all the magical colors at my disposal whether I feel the sky should be green, red or blue is entirely my choice, I'm here to live the day as I feel fit to enjoy everylast inch of my consciousness, My purpose to expand my mind beyond the simple constraints of the physical body, to coin a phrase " the world is an oyster it is yourse to shape" I believe that all religions come from the same roots just as music and all life every differing person is a new means of escaping the strains of the physical body and the time we have to do so is measured by our fitness though we all must surrender to the all powerfull consumation of death in the end, but what is death just another means of stepping through the portal into another form of existence.
I once heard a speach a scientist gave that he believed half the universe as we know it consists of anti matter and the other half matter, when one dies their soul is transported to the antimaterial world where they are reborn and live their for the alooted time given and upon death return to the material world, I strongly believe this and that black holes are mearily gateways for each way for the black hole sucks everything even light into it thus giving it the capability to have an entire universe stored within a very small space.
I think I went on alittle rant and lost the topic awhile back there but I guess what I'm trying to say is that life is life live your way its there for you to love and cherish and expand upon once you die learn to relove and relearn all that was lost in the great forgetting that is death...
and the core of my philosophy is just shut up and have a beer get lost in it and love every moment that is the essence of every thing
It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potato's.
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Location: Cape Town, South Africa
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Location: Cape Town, South Africa
Posted:
You should become ever more grateful until the moment when you die.
You should become ever more grateful until the moment when you die.
Anger Is A Gift
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