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OK... have only really just started using poi, and i've just about mastered the basic few butterfly moves and I can happily do the 3 beat weave until the cows come home.
I've been trying to to do the 4 (or 5?!) beat weave for about a week and its not working! I'm really not sure what I'm supposed to do, do the strings actually cross and uncross or is that a hyperloop? I'm getting a bit lost and the video isn't very clear, and I couldn't find any old posts that made sense! (i find learning something spinning on the left hand side a lot easier than the right which might be my problem) Any tips or help would be great...
thank you!
OK... have only really just started using poi, and i've just about mastered the basic few butterfly moves and I can happily do the 3 beat weave until the cows come home.
I've been trying to to do the 4 (or 5?!) beat weave for about a week and its not working! I'm really not sure what I'm supposed to do, do the strings actually cross and uncross or is that a hyperloop? I'm getting a bit lost and the video isn't very clear, and I couldn't find any old posts that made sense! (i find learning something spinning on the left hand side a lot easier than the right which might be my problem) Any tips or help would be great...
thank you!
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I'm gonna get in before anyone says, run a search. Er... I stumbled across the 4-5 beat by just letting a normal weave go wrong on one side. Let the strings cross each other. When that works try to compensate the strings crossing eachother by wrapping your arms around eachother. Arms are crossing weirdly not the strings. When you have this down try it again and then just before it all goes hoplessly wrong bring it to your other side and let it untangle.
Now try it on the other side. Hope it helps, Hey tell us about yourself in the introductions page
Best of luck.
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I'm gonna get in before anyone says, run a search. Er... I stumbled across the 4-5 beat by just letting a normal weave go wrong on one side. Let the strings cross each other. When that works try to compensate the strings crossing eachother by wrapping your arms around eachother. Arms are crossing weirdly not the strings. When you have this down try it again and then just before it all goes hoplessly wrong bring it to your other side and let it untangle.
Now try it on the other side. Hope it helps, Hey tell us about yourself in the introductions page
Best of luck.
Mot.
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If you notice on the 3 beat forwards weave your left poi will do one rotation on the left and two on the right and visa-versa with the right poi, so given this to do a 4 beat on the left side you left hand needs to do 2 beats on the left side. by folding your left hand over your right wrist and back underneath, so then you will be leading out of the left side with your right poi. The 4 beat is possible to do on the right hand side of your body too, then if you can do both sides together you can then do a 5 beat by doing one extra beat on the left and the right.
If you notice on the 3 beat forwards weave your left poi will do one rotation on the left and two on the right and visa-versa with the right poi, so given this to do a 4 beat on the left side you left hand needs to do 2 beats on the left side. by folding your left hand over your right wrist and back underneath, so then you will be leading out of the left side with your right poi. The 4 beat is possible to do on the right hand side of your body too, then if you can do both sides together you can then do a 5 beat by doing one extra beat on the left and the right.
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I think I may be getting somewhere understanding what Im doing (thanks for the help so far!)
so without meaning to sounds stupid, if i go into a normal weave on my lef hand side, the right hand goes over the left and the right poi goes round once, and then the left hand and opi come back round to the left hand side and follow the path of the right poi, and so now my right hand is supposed to go under the left and still rotate round on that side? what happens with my left hand? at the moment I end up with left ahnd over right and very twisted then i cant untwist ahnds or strings (or is it at that stage i have to swop sides and move both hands or something?). sorry if im missing something really stupidly obvious! if only i could practise reaaallllly slowly...
I think I may be getting somewhere understanding what Im doing (thanks for the help so far!)
so without meaning to sounds stupid, if i go into a normal weave on my lef hand side, the right hand goes over the left and the right poi goes round once, and then the left hand and opi come back round to the left hand side and follow the path of the right poi, and so now my right hand is supposed to go under the left and still rotate round on that side? what happens with my left hand? at the moment I end up with left ahnd over right and very twisted then i cant untwist ahnds or strings (or is it at that stage i have to swop sides and move both hands or something?). sorry if im missing something really stupidly obvious! if only i could practise reaaallllly slowly...
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Think about it from the point of view of doing and extra circle on your left with your left poi and making the right poi be the first to come back to the right hand side. Try and visualise what you're trying to do before you do it. It's just and extra circle on one side.
I'm sure there's loads of usefull stuff if you search for it though.
Think about it from the point of view of doing and extra circle on your left with your left poi and making the right poi be the first to come back to the right hand side. Try and visualise what you're trying to do before you do it. It's just and extra circle on one side.
I'm sure there's loads of usefull stuff if you search for it though.
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still i bit confused but cheers for all the pointers- i did a few more searches and they were better than the first one.
does anyone think its better to practise with short or long chains? (ive got adjustable ones)
still i bit confused but cheers for all the pointers- i did a few more searches and they were better than the first one.
does anyone think its better to practise with short or long chains? (ive got adjustable ones)
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think this way, when yourd normally lead from the left side to the right you would be leading with the right poi, *now your not, your leading with the left beacuse the right did an extra beat your hands will untwist on the other side naturally*
to make the 5 beat do the same with the other hand
*your allways leading with the opposite hand in a 5 beat*
think this way, when yourd normally lead from the left side to the right you would be leading with the right poi, *now your not, your leading with the left beacuse the right did an extra beat your hands will untwist on the other side naturally*
to make the 5 beat do the same with the other hand
*your allways leading with the opposite hand in a 5 beat*
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Woo! I got the 4 beat weave (finally!) bit messy (i kind of get both poi switching sides at the same time) but now all i have to do is get it on the other side and link them... 5 beat i will master you...
thanks for everything!
Woo! I got the 4 beat weave (finally!) bit messy (i kind of get both poi switching sides at the same time) but now all i have to do is get it on the other side and link them... 5 beat i will master you...
thanks for everything!
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sounds like a timing issue, drag the LEADING arm accross to the other side sooner then you wont have the catch up! you'll figure it as you see whats going on in the pattern.
sounds like a timing issue, drag the LEADING arm accross to the other side sooner then you wont have the catch up! you'll figure it as you see whats going on in the pattern.
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Um. I'll try to slowly read all these explanation, but i think i am more a visual person. I even tried to disassemble the movie of the 5-beat lesson, I drew coloured lines on his arms to see it better and i made a slow motion version but i simply do not see what is happening to the poi during the side transition. (you can see the results for a few days on www.hieris.info/about/poi/beat/ (i promise to remove it soon, unless it's okay with everybody including Ben Fraser and this sites owner. I have no intention to steal material).
I heard there is a poi king in my neighbourhood but he went to Sweden for 9 months, so i am on my own... (Wageningen, NL if anybody lives nearby??)
Um i even have a humble request. If any one of you owns a camera could you please try to make two movies of the 5 beat weave, in broad daylight, with different coloured poi, one showing the complete picture including poi (from the front or back), and one looking at the hands over the shoulder. Would be great!
PS the mail given for Ben Fraser is refused. Anyone has his new mail?
[ 25. June 2003, 09:01: Message edited by: Arakrys ]
Um. I'll try to slowly read all these explanation, but i think i am more a visual person. I even tried to disassemble the movie of the 5-beat lesson, I drew coloured lines on his arms to see it better and i made a slow motion version but i simply do not see what is happening to the poi during the side transition. (you can see the results for a few days on www.hieris.info/about/poi/beat/ (i promise to remove it soon, unless it's okay with everybody including Ben Fraser and this sites owner. I have no intention to steal material).
I heard there is a poi king in my neighbourhood but he went to Sweden for 9 months, so i am on my own... (Wageningen, NL if anybody lives nearby??)
Um i even have a humble request. If any one of you owns a camera could you please try to make two movies of the 5 beat weave, in broad daylight, with different coloured poi, one showing the complete picture including poi (from the front or back), and one looking at the hands over the shoulder. Would be great!
PS the mail given for Ben Fraser is refused. Anyone has his new mail?
[ 25. June 2003, 09:01: Message edited by: Arakrys ]
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Well... I'm poiing for a little while. And yesterdaymorning finally mastered the 3 beat weave (I thought it was so illogical, but it was definately logical, though I didn't see the thing).
Now I just got the 4 beat... but it already feels kinda twisted (still have a slight 'coordination problem' -hitting myself in the head that is!- with the last swing on the right with the right poi... but I'll fix that soon enough).
Anyways... the 5 beat. I tried it a few times... but do I need to twist thát much? I mean... it feels really awkward :S And the video at HOP-lesson 27... that is a 4 beat weave, right?
Well... I'm poiing for a little while. And yesterdaymorning finally mastered the 3 beat weave (I thought it was so illogical, but it was definately logical, though I didn't see the thing).
Now I just got the 4 beat... but it already feels kinda twisted (still have a slight 'coordination problem' -hitting myself in the head that is!- with the last swing on the right with the right poi... but I'll fix that soon enough).
Anyways... the 5 beat. I tried it a few times... but do I need to twist thát much? I mean... it feels really awkward :S And the video at HOP-lesson 27... that is a 4 beat weave, right?
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Nope, lesson 27 is a full 5 beat weave - notice that on the right side the right hand tucks under the left arm, and vice versa on the left. If you only do one of these twists then that's a 4 beat, if you do both that's a 5 beat
Nope, lesson 27 is a full 5 beat weave - notice that on the right side the right hand tucks under the left arm, and vice versa on the left. If you only do one of these twists then that's a 4 beat, if you do both that's a 5 beat
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but that means... im already doing a 5 beat :S
i don't get it...
*tries figuring this out this evening*
but that means... im already doing a 5 beat :S
i don't get it...
*tries figuring this out this evening*
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i can always have my wrists touching while doing the 5 beat weave
i can always have my wrists touching while doing the 5 beat weave
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The trick is if you can do with without ever touching your wrists or arms together
The trick is if you can do with without ever touching your wrists or arms together
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^^ i thought 5 beat throughwraps were supposed to be easier than 5 beat weaves...
or maybe you mean 5 beat style airwraps? if nothing's crossing, you must be taking beats out by 'unwinding' your feet or possibly rotating the universe counter the direction of your spin. :P
-- dut
^^ i thought 5 beat throughwraps were supposed to be easier than 5 beat weaves...
or maybe you mean 5 beat style airwraps? if nothing's crossing, you must be taking beats out by 'unwinding' your feet or possibly rotating the universe counter the direction of your spin. :P-- dut
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anonomatos, the secret to the 4-beat weave is learning,the often overlooked and much maligned, 2-beat weave. The same hand stays on top for the 2-beat weave.
I think? there is a good 4-beat weave clip at spherculism. You will have to register.
anonomatos, the secret to the 4-beat weave is learning,the often overlooked and much maligned, 2-beat weave. The same hand stays on top for the 2-beat weave.
I think? there is a good 4-beat weave clip at spherculism. You will have to register.
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well i accepted your chalenge and did it, but i dont think it looks as good
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The trick is if you can do with without ever touching your wrists or arms together
well i accepted your chalenge and did it, but i dont think it looks as good
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It doesn't look as good, but it's a fine place to start learning how to do a 5 beat isolated weave - if you do the 5bw with your palms facing each other (as if they were holding a ball) you can see that it creates a micro-isolation between your hands. Then just work from there.
Dut, no I definitely mean a standard 5bw without touching your arms as I described in the paragraph above
It doesn't look as good, but it's a fine place to start learning how to do a 5 beat isolated weave - if you do the 5bw with your palms facing each other (as if they were holding a ball) you can see that it creates a micro-isolation between your hands. Then just work from there.
Dut, no I definitely mean a standard 5bw without touching your arms as I described in the paragraph above
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do both the poi come over the top together (or at least very close) after doing the 4/5 beat weave thing on one side?
do both the poi come over the top together (or at least very close) after doing the 4/5 beat weave thing on one side?
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The 4-5 beat weave.
I have been spinning for about five years now and just ran across the "4-5 beat weave." With in one hour it is now the newest addition ot my reppertuare.
The wording in the demo. is rather technically accurate. So much so that a "Flare Dancer" such as my self found it rather difficult to follow.
I now find that I am having difficulty with the timing of my "on hand" (my personal right.) As I start to come back across to my right side I find hat either the poi in my left hand speads up or the poi in my right hand slows down. In either case the chains become intwined and make the supsaquent rotations on the right hand side of my body rather difficult.
In sort I was woundering if this was a common occurance for one who has just picked up the move, How this timing problem is created and what can be done to resolve it.
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The 4-5 beat weave.
I have been spinning for about five years now and just ran across the "4-5 beat weave." With in one hour it is now the newest addition ot my reppertuare.
The wording in the demo. is rather technically accurate. So much so that a "Flare Dancer" such as my self found it rather difficult to follow.
I now find that I am having difficulty with the timing of my "on hand" (my personal right.) As I start to come back across to my right side I find hat either the poi in my left hand speads up or the poi in my right hand slows down. In either case the chains become intwined and make the supsaquent rotations on the right hand side of my body rather difficult.
In sort I was woundering if this was a common occurance for one who has just picked up the move, How this timing problem is created and what can be done to resolve it.
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It's fairly common so don't worry. The trick is really just focussing on making sure that the "lead" hand (which going from L->R is the right hand) is actually pushing across to the other side rather than just letting momentum carry it across. It might help to consider that instead of just "left hand twists over right arm" you're twisting both wrists around each other, neither hand is more passive than the other.
It's fairly common so don't worry. The trick is really just focussing on making sure that the "lead" hand (which going from L->R is the right hand) is actually pushing across to the other side rather than just letting momentum carry it across. It might help to consider that instead of just "left hand twists over right arm" you're twisting both wrists around each other, neither hand is more passive than the other.
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I'm working on the 4 beat weave right now. I'll agree with spiralx, but I'll give you another hint. In addition to pushing your leading hand a little, try slowing down your trailing hand. Another helpful hint, don't uncross your hands until you are completely on the rotation side. (i.e. if you are crossed on the right and moving to left, uncross your hands only when you are completely on the left side). - This helps a lot while learning, but most people uncross somewhere in between.
-Brian
I'm working on the 4 beat weave right now. I'll agree with spiralx, but I'll give you another hint. In addition to pushing your leading hand a little, try slowing down your trailing hand. Another helpful hint, don't uncross your hands until you are completely on the rotation side. (i.e. if you are crossed on the right and moving to left, uncross your hands only when you are completely on the left side). - This helps a lot while learning, but most people uncross somewhere in between.
-Brian
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One thing I found helpful when learning this pattern was to count out the beats as I spun the weave. Try for a 1...2...3...4... count ,,,(instead of a 1...2..3.4 then drag the whole mess across to the other side) In an ideal world you should be able to count 1 through 8 evenly
One thing I found helpful when learning this pattern was to count out the beats as I spun the weave. Try for a 1...2...3...4... count ,,,(instead of a 1...2..3.4 then drag the whole mess across to the other side) In an ideal world you should be able to count 1 through 8 evenly
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The best way i've found, don't get me wrong i still can't really do it all that way, is to actually do a 3 count weave, but instead of bring it across, let the poi's momentum keep it goin for 1 more spin. Figured I'd throw in my 2 cents, it does werk, I just need to work more on my timin.
The best way i've found, don't get me wrong i still can't really do it all that way, is to actually do a 3 count weave, but instead of bring it across, let the poi's momentum keep it goin for 1 more spin. Figured I'd throw in my 2 cents, it does werk, I just need to work more on my timin.
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you just need to flexen upyour wrists...
they gotta turn aroundyour arm...
its also possible to let the string go round, but less controllable, ive found...
you just need to flexen upyour wrists...
they gotta turn aroundyour arm...
its also possible to let the string go round, but less controllable, ive found...
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I feel so lost. I don't get the picture of a 4bt weave. Anyone who has a video of how it should look?
I feel so lost. I don't get the picture of a 4bt weave. Anyone who has a video of how it should look?
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hello,
ive read all the above posts and tried to take into account what has been said. Ive had the three beat down for ages and can do it uberfast. Ive now got the four beat down as well but only on my left hand side (im right handed). when I try it on my rhs my left hand poi always comes into contact with my body when im trying to do the fourth beat. Im really bad at trying to work it out technically and would rather "feel" what the poi are doing rather than conciously make it do what I want (if that makes any sense).
This is really frustrating me because I cant go back to doing simple three beat weaves because it now feels really rubbish and theres not enough going on.
Help me plz.
hello,
ive read all the above posts and tried to take into account what has been said. Ive had the three beat down for ages and can do it uberfast. Ive now got the four beat down as well but only on my left hand side (im right handed). when I try it on my rhs my left hand poi always comes into contact with my body when im trying to do the fourth beat. Im really bad at trying to work it out technically and would rather "feel" what the poi are doing rather than conciously make it do what I want (if that makes any sense).
This is really frustrating me because I cant go back to doing simple three beat weaves because it now feels really rubbish and theres not enough going on.
Help me plz.
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You should be aiming to be able to do the weave uber-slow, not uber-fast. That way you'll be able to feel exactly what is going on throughout the move and when you add the fourth beat you can have more control over it.
You should be aiming to be able to do the weave uber-slow, not uber-fast. That way you'll be able to feel exactly what is going on throughout the move and when you add the fourth beat you can have more control over it.
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I can do it slowly, I have the same problem at whatever speed I do it.
I can do it slowly, I have the same problem at whatever speed I do it.
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yer.. i can do it with clubs but not poi, its pissy
yer.. i can do it with clubs but not poi, its pissy
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