Mystaddict 439 posts Location: Oceanside, California, USA
Posted: Some one did a combination of moves and named it the fountain, so I've decided to name a little combo I started doing out of nowhere. 1)"The Complete Lower Fountain" Do a lower fountain in front of you and as you get to the far right (or far left) quickly go into a lower fountain behind you. This will make six circles around your body while your feet never move and your waist barly moves. I it about three times around my body so people see what I'm doing and understand it.2)"The Complete Fountain" This one you do a full fountain in front of you then bring it behind your back and do a lower fountain. I call these "complete" because they go all around your body, not just in front of you. Some negative or possitive feed back is welcome, I'm curiouse what everyone is thinking about this. I can't wait to do a "Complete 5 beat Lower Fountain" and a "Complete 5 beat Fountain".
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adamricepoo-bah 1,015 posts Location: Austin TX USA
Posted: Maybe I'm just visualizing this differently, and this is just a nit, but I think this winds up being five circles--the regular fountain is one set of circles left, one right, one above. The btb fountain is one left and one right.Anyhow, it sounds like fun, and it should look cool. I do something that's one step simpler--one iteration of the weave, then turn into one of the rvs weave, then bring the hands behind for one of the btb (titty-twister) weave, then turn for one of the other btb (shin-basher) weave, then back in front to optionally repeat the sequence.Something with this many steps probably shouldn't be called a "move", exactly. Maybe a kata or raga.
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Mystaddict 439 posts Location: Oceanside, California, USA
Posted: I don't think I'm getting you. A lower fountain goes either from left to right or right to left, one circle behind and to the left, one in the middle, and one to behind and to the right. A ha, I see why you pictured it wrong. When you get to the far right you take your right poi and let it go one more like it's a 4 point lower fountain (If you do this it will make it go from your right to behind the back left), then you cross your left in front of your body real quick and throw it back with the other poi(like it never left) into a BTB lower fountain. It flows very nicely. I used to throw the weave around my body and one day I was doing a lower fountain and then threw it like usual to BTB and did a BTB lower fountain, and threw it back. I guess it's not so easy to explain. I like having pozee around, he can back me up on stuff like this. Wish I could have made the dead line but No bro No camera.I'd still like to send a video in anyways malcolm, just to show you my progress, would that be cool?
Posted: Myst -- the moves are alright, but don't expect us all to start using your terminology just like that. Well, whatever. Anyway, are you talking about the video competition deadline? It's not 'til the end of next month bro. You've got plenty of time. I'm planning on sending in a video, although my video man is talking about going to London in the middle of September, so I've got to get going on this soon.
Mystaddict 439 posts Location: Oceanside, California, USA
Posted: Bassman, Aren't you a jumpy guy. I don't expect everyone to just use this terminology, I was just sharing a move that I have named. Someone came up with fountain, I just added onto it. If the shoe fits. If you came up with a name for a move and it made sence, I'd use it. It wasn't like I tryed to call it a "Misty weave". Acasualy I still call a lower fountain a tri-weave, just cause that's what I thought of when I first did it. It makes a hell of a lot more sence then, a lower fountain. The video comp doesn't end till the end of september!!! Sick, I'd love to enter it, and hope to win, but hell, there's a lot of talent on this board. Good luck on your video. I hope malcolm posts the 10 "best" (in no order) so we could see the different styles and tricks.Eric
Posted: Myst -- Sorry. I'm probably just misinterpreting your post. I do get a little edgy about the whole naming thing. I generally stay away from making up new terminology unless I absolutely have to. It's best to use the old terminology as far as it will go. I don't see any reason why you need to name those tricks like that. I mean, I'm pretty darn sure that the person who first discovered the full fountain was not the person who named it that. I'm sure the trick became popular and then was eventually named out of necessity. Probably in a book somewhere. Names of moves often come from books that are popular. Besides, from what I gather, the name "full fountain" isn't even a poi swinging term anyway. It's a club swinging term, and I thought that it was a poi swinging term too, but when I first mentioned it on this discussion board, no one seemed to be familiar with the term. I remember Adam saying that people referred to this trick as "around the world," and that he had never heard of the term "full fountain." Now everybody seems to be talking about full fountain this and full fountain that. And little did I know, there is a poi website that uses the term "fountain," which is different from the "full fountain" and "lower fountain." Now everybody is all confused about the difference between fountain, full fountain, and lower fountain. Plus, some people keep interchanging the terms fountain and lower fountain thinking that they know what they are talking about and are helping people, but in fact they are just confusing everyone!!! God, if I would have known that the term full fountain was not a poi swinging term I probably would have never friggin' mentioned it. I could have just called it "around the world" like everyone else. That would have saved a lot of headache.It's kind of dangerous to have terminology spread really fast (which seems to happen on homeofpoi.com unfortunately) because it's easy to overlook conflicts and problems that way. Once bad terminology sticks, there's often no going back, and it can make it difficult to communicate effectively with people. Usually, by the time terminology gets into a book or something, it's been well thought out (hopefully).There is a term in juggling called the "chop." It's a move that's usually done with clubs, although it works with balls too. You can do it solo or in a passing pattern, although it's usually done in a solo pattern. There is another move that can be done in a passing pattern, or solo, but is normally done in passing that is also called a "chop." This trick is *completely* different from the first one, but it has the same name. So, as a general rule, chops as a solo trick is referring to the first type of chops, and as a passing trick it is referring to the second type of chops. I often do the first type of chops while passing, but I can't call it chops because that would be too confusing. I can't really call it anything because there is no other name for it. It's ridiculous! There are a couple of alternative names that people have come up with for the second type of chop. The "tomahawk" and the "hatchet." These are perfectly fine names, but the name chop is so ingrained into people's heads at this point that they get pissed off if you start calling them "tomahawks" or whatever. The whole thing is so stupid!! So I conform and call them chops, but I'm not happy about it
Mystaddict 439 posts Location: Oceanside, California, USA
Posted: People aren't stupid Bassman. I made it real clear that this is what I call these moves. I put the in "" for that reason. I didn't come out and try to trick anyone into using my termonology. If someone does this move and and calls it what I call it, great, if he calls it whatever he wants to call it, I don't care. This is what I call these moves and I felt like sharing. It's people like you that make me not post my shit, always an argument over it. And fuck you, get edgy over it. Eric
Posted: From now on im going to call the "fountain" the "phunky monkey".All of this phunky monkey stuff has got me confused. Lower phunky monkey is like just turning a weave but not turning your body. I bet everyone has done the phunky monkey and one of its variations one time or another without even knowing it.I think we should ban naming combinations because it causes confusion to the new people that come on this board. How many times have you seen that someone starts a new thread asking what a phunky monkey is?Instead, for naming combinations we should start an abbrevation for thingslike:frw = forwardrvs = reversebtb = behind the backbtl = between the legsbtf = butterflywve = weaveetc etc...so if you wanna share you're combinationsfor the lower phunky monkey use something likervs wve >>> wveanyways my 2 cents------------------[]Dhuong-Vu Truong==== []Dhunky ====[This message has been edited by phunky (edited 28 August 2001).][This message has been edited by phunky (edited 28 August 2001).]
Posted: Myst -- Whoa dude! You are taking this way to too far. I was never mad at you, and I'm not trying to blame anything on you. I get a little frustrated with the whole terminology thing, but it has nothing to do with you. Please, this is the second time that you've gotten really pissed off at me. I think we are having some major communication problems!!! I will try to be more careful about how I phrase things in the future. I can't guarantee that I will successfully phrase things wonderfully. i dunno.. I thought that my post was ok, I mean, the first word out of my mouth was "sorry." I guess that doesn't necessarily mean that it's a nice post, but I can tell you that I was sincere.
Mystaddict 439 posts Location: Oceanside, California, USA
Posted: Hey, after reading your last post I realized you really were sincere and I appologize. I may just have to start calling it the "Phunky monkey" It's so much more inviting. I appologize for saying fuck you and the get edgy over it part, But I'm just tired of people speaking for everyone when they say something. I like phunky's sence of humor, Smart ass makes me laugh. Eric
Posted: hey could you explain how to do the lower fountain, if its not too much of a repeatative question. ThanxMatty Mo
adamricepoo-bah 1,015 posts Location: Austin TX USA
Posted: KL--It's just turning from a fwd weave to a rvs weave (or the other way) without moving your feet--you start off with your torso turned one way, and wind up with it turned the other.With the full fountain, its the same idea, but, you go from a rvs weave over your head into a windmill, and then down into a fwd weave.
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AnonymousPLATINUM Member
Posted: Hi People,Been in move limbo for about two weeks, am just struggling out of it now so I thought I would see how things are doing on the message board...Firk me its WAR!!!You just have none of it do you Myst, get in there fella. Its a good job America is so big coz if you guys were over here (England) you would be like, round the the corner, from each other. Anyway best not to get involved eh? Peace n all that. Whoever said that some terminology is needed though I heartily agree with, only on the explanations side of things though, just to make it easier. No, I dont know who Im agreeing with or indeed if everyone is actually in agreement, but I can, and bloody well will, call my moves whatever I bloody well please. I work damn hard on these things and I enjoy calling them THE BRAIN FART etc. just coz people buzz off it and thats why Im doing this whole shebang...to make people buzz.Anyway Ive gotta go so I hope your all well and happy. Will be in touch soon.Much PeaceDizzi...P.S. I totally agree with you Myst, Phunkys sense of humour is the shit, very diplomatic mate, you should run for president, you might just save all our lives when good old George "dubbyah" starts winding the Chinese up again. Bye...
Posted: Dizzi ? I guess I wouldn't have started ranting about terminology if I hadn't misinterpreted Myst's post. Sometimes people just phrase things in really strange ways that don't make sense to me on this message board. It sounded like Myst was saying something like "Well, someone else named the fountain and got everyone to use that name so I?m going to do the same with my moves." I figured, if he didn't mean that, then why did he even bring up the fountain? In his sentence he set it up as a justification for why he was naming his moves. I figured why would he need to justify naming his moves unless he was trying to get other people to use his names or something? I wasn't mad at Myst, I just thought that he didn't know any better (There are plenty of people that do this, trust me) and that I would share with him some of my experiences with terminology, but I guess what I thought he was doing was not really what was going on. I still don't understand why he was trying to justify, or maybe he wasn't. Maybe it was just a poorly phrased sentence, but it doesn't really matter. I realize now that Myst was not trying to push terminology, and Myst, even though you said, "fuck you," thanks for being a good sport about the whole thing. You're a good man.Some of my post I was just explaining how I do things with terminology. I wasn't trying to say that you shouldn't name any of your moves. I was just trying to explain how I go about naming mine. Maybe I shouldn't have said some of that. Well, perhaps I shouldn't have posted at all. I dunno.. I guess I don't understand you Dizzi. You preach peace, yet Myst and I are here apologizing to each other and you are talking smack to Myst about being a wussy and that he should get in there and fight? I dunno man...
Posted: The phunky monkey owns you all!------------------[]Dhuong-Vu Truong==== []Dhunky ====
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Posted: Yo bassman n everyone else,erm... here we go again. Please dont think Im having a pop at anyone especially you, that was not what was intended. I am the first person to realise that without face to face contact things can get misconstrued very easily. I was really just saying hello to everyone. Christ it took me an hour to write my first post then I scrapped it and did the one above just in case I offended anyone. erm... I really wasnt talking smack? to myst, I was just impressed that he can be so bloody honest and not care what people think, I seem to get on with people who are not scared to say what they feel coz when done with a little diplomacy I am of the opinion that this will lead to peace and understanding (you two know where each other are coming from now dont you?) couple this with Myst's full bore honesty (fuck you) and I was nearly falling off my chair with laughter at the sheer up for it'ness with which Myst posts. I do genuinely know what you mean though when you say that its annoying when people try to start "owning" something like this and I would tend to just fuck them off myself as some sort of bighead coz its not about that is it. But I am just taking things with a pinch of salt with this internet thingy coz of the reasons I mentioned b4, its too easy to take things the wrong way in the absence of facial expressions.Soooo...I will apologise in advance to anyone that I may offend in the future by means of my crap communication, please just give me the benefit of the doubt if I seem to be a twat coz Im not, I work very hard at not being so and this can be backed up by many people. And by the way mate, dont let anyone scare you away from posting whatever you want to, certainly not Myst anyway, hes a pussycat really, just drinks too much coffee. Only joking buddy honest!!!Anyway now Ive cleared that up (or tried to) Im gonna tell you all what Im doing this weekend... Im going to a club in Torquey which is called the Monastery, its an old church (georgeous building) which is now a club that promotes more dancing and less drinking (they dont serve alchohol) its open from 11pm to 7am and it plays beautifully hard house all night AAAAAAAAAAAHH! So Im off there to blow all their dancers out of the water and generally make people freak out with pleasure and make their night one to remember. All this is happening with a sound crew of guys who I met in Ibiza. Let me know if you want any moves busting in your names chaps I will be only too pleased.Right then thats me done, will be posting again soonish...till then though...Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast!PeaceDizzi...:-)
Mystaddict 439 posts Location: Oceanside, California, USA
Posted: Actually, I didn't think you were talking shit and if you were you did it in a way that I didn't understand, so no big deal. That's funny, I played with my Phunky monkey last night. I owned him, until he spit at me. There's always tomorrow.Eric
Posted: Dizzy -- Ok now I'm really confused How does "You just have none of it do you Myst, get in there fella." translate to "Myst, I'm impressed with your full bore honesty."?? On one hand I'm happy that you didn't mean what I thought you meant, but on the other hand I'm really scratching my head on this one.
Mystaddict 439 posts Location: Oceanside, California, USA
Posted: Bassman, you know I love you man, but who cares what he meant. No skin off my back. what anyone thinks of me is there own opinion good or bad. You really like to take post and analize them too much. Just stop, breath, now exhale. Feel better? GOOD! Eric
Posted: Myst -- Aren't you curious?? Plus, if I can find out what people are thinking when they say these things that totally confuse me perhaps I won't misinterpret them next time. I figure that's a fairly noble effort... Isn't it?
Fire Princessmember 130 posts Location: London/Brighton, UK
Posted: Just my 2 cents...Take some calm, soothing breaths and think of a happy place. Why is everyone getting themselves so stressed? Take a chill pill I don't think Dizzi was trying to cause trouble. I think perhaps that something got lost in the 'over the water' translation. I don't reckon s/he was saying that Myst was being wussy and should get in and fight, I think it was more of a wry comment about his 'upfrontness' and openness, i.e. he doesn't hold anything back. Erm, in the gist of "go girlfriend, (I have no idea what the male counterpart is) I admire your honesty" Peace, love and happy thoughts.FP
SupermanBRONZE Member member 829 posts Location: Houston, Texas, USA
Posted: HEY every one!!! I came up with a new move. Its called the"SUPER-"PHUNKY"-ASS-"BASS"AMATIC-"MYST"A-"LUNTIC"AL-LOWER UPSIDE DOWN "RICE"-O-RONI SPINNING-SEA BISQUIT WEAVE !!!!I dont KNOW WHAT ITS GONNA LOOK LIKE, BUT WHEN I COME UP WITH SOMETHING, THATS WHAT IM GOING TO NAME IT. Super'------------------"When a Man Lies He Murders Some Part of the World These Are the PaleDeaths Which Men Miscall Their Lives All this I Cannot Bear to Witness Any Longer Cannot the Kingdom of Salvation Take Me Home"
Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear--not absence of fear.
Posted: yeah and if you dont put the middle bit in its called a lower super-phunky-ass-bassamatic-mysta-luntical-upside rice-o-roni spinning-sea biscuit weave or the upper middle super-phunky-ass-bassamatic-mysta-luntical-upside rice-o-roni spinning-sea biscuit weave if you do it like the lower one but standing sideways, and of course you could make it split time in which case it would be the reverse upper lower split time behind the front of the back of the head super-phunky-ass-bassamatic-mysta-luntical-upside rice-o-roni spinning-sea biscuit weave butterfly, although the butterfly part depends on which way you are looking at it. Perhaps we need to shorten it a bit, how about the has-pab-m-luror-sasb weave, or then we could call the weave and turn the has-pab-m-luror-sasb-luror-m-pab-shah because its a triplex duo-inversion of the movement, except behind your arms and perpendicular to the earths magnetic field (very pretty if you get the tolerance just right and the aurora borealis reflects of the mesopores, although with glowsticks that wouldn't work quite as well... but then fire would result in your losing your eyes... although the audience would see it). Like all complicated moves though, it wouldn't look as good as the butterfly.And you could do that behind your back too, although I think I'll need a bit of practice for that... it would look a little bit better though. How about behind my back on a unicycle blindfolded with my hands cuffed and my feet in lead boots and my hair on fire, not wearing red UV paint but wearing blue UV paint. While underwater. On Jupiter.------------------"O! for a muse of fire, that would ascend the brightest heaven of invention." - William ShakespeareCheck out my Online Gallery!ß £ Å Ĉ К ß î я Ð
Posted: Oh I got it, it's not actually that hard. Gonna try it with fire when it gets dark...
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SupermanBRONZE Member member 829 posts Location: Houston, Texas, USA
Posted: hee hee you think youre good huh...now try it in a 27 beat reverse while on your back same-time while bonging a beer while a pantiless supermodel stands over you in a mini skirt."S"oh yeah...and with one eye closed------------------"When a Man Lies He Murders Some Part of the World These Are the PaleDeaths Which Men Miscall Their Lives All this I Cannot Bear to Witness Any Longer Cannot the Kingdom of Salvation Take Me Home"
Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear--not absence of fear.
Posted: Dang, I don't have any supermodels who wear miniskirts, and of course a naked one would be too easy.Ok, well, try doing it with three eyes closed, bet you can't do that.
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Mystaddict 439 posts Location: Oceanside, California, USA
Posted: You dumb ass blackbird. I did that move when I first started. It's called a "Wasic Beave". It's easy once you get it down. You better come up with a better move then that to win the compitition.Eric
Its about talent, not make up or costumes.
AnonymousPLATINUM Member
Posted: Hi People...The Dizzi one here, right this is the last word I am going to say on this subject.Bassman take a look at Fireprincesses post and please take to heart. The girl has obviously got a knack for this kind of thing and I obviously havent. Thats it...The weekend was FANTASTIC, was busting all kinds of moves but the best stuff was happening outside when I went to cool down and do some nice personal meditative type stuff, I get a little uptight and stiff when Im doing it in front of so many people (christ, when all those faces turn towards you and seem to say "right then...go on...impress me..." and I tend to stick to tried and tested moves so I dont cock them up. Its a shame that dont you think ? Coz when you are just floating around swinging willy nilly (English slang for freely) that seems to me to be the best quality poi. Ah well C'est la vie 'n' all that. The music was perfect though...mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.Right then im gonna stop boring you all and shoot for now. Im starting on the btb moves this week so Im gonna have to put some hours in. Wish me luck etc. By the way I am a He just in case anyone wondered.Peace, love and happy thoughts...very nice FPDizzi...