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Posted: 30th Sep 2002
although i am guilty of some of the utter nonsense i must say here, here...

anyone got a light?

Posted: 30th Sep 2002
I am at a point where I must say i agree...
Am very saddened by the armosphere on HOP.

Am guilty of the lack of post in technical and moves (I am WAy too insecure about the language still) though I read them all still.

Am guilty like many of us for the rest and feeling quite bad about it.

Not many words left to say what i feel.

I think we had more respect, depth, listening to eachother and love a while ago. but that makes me sound like a bitchy bitter old timer I guess..
I don't think it is the people that are more superficial, just a general atmosphere...

And the worst side for me is the sudden competitive feeling and urge for popularity contests. this breaks my heart...

hmmm.. what's the point of my post again ???

Will be back when I can make more sense and be less emotional.

cass

[ 30 September 2002, 22:59: Message edited by: Cassandra ]

"I want brown bread... no, that is diesel oil..."
"So I was raised in Europe, where History comes from ..."
"NON !!! La Plume de mon oncle n est pas Bingibangibungi !!!"

Posted: 30th Sep 2002
Sorry, i must say that I've been guilty of creating some seriously bad vibes since I started.

It does seem a good way of people venting grief and if that makes peoples lives a bit clearer or happier then I'm happy for them.

I go offline next week and I will miss this place

Sorry again for all the shit I seem to have stirred up here. - my bad.......

Cam

Small Lardy Person In Disguise

Posted: 30th Sep 2002
Cam, Cass, Pozzee I love you! You guys are darlings! This thread is not about apologising for the problems or lack of but for educational purposes to (hopefully) get people thinking of what is good / not good to post to have 2000+ other people see and discuss.

Most people I have met here I love and I dont think that everyone should just say 'oh, I'm sorry' because that wont get us anywhere except close to being depressed...

So love of my life fellow HOP'ers is there a way to find a solution? Did that thread on responsibility (can't be bothered to make a link)only affect a certain few HOP'ers concerned with the content of our beloved Home?

Just trying to find solutions not further issues...

Much love, Drome

JUGGLEwithyourmind!

Posted: 30th Sep 2002
I was talking to someone online last night that said that they thought that some of the rivalry etc was indeed started by Mr Small Boy. But that it also happened weeks ago. Just one person said that by the way. And she's wrong quite a lot of the time so don't take it personally.

If it's any consolation, to any and all concerned., I'm sick of all the back biting and big headed I'm better than you cos I'm more educated crap that's on these boards these days and shan't be visiting very much after this week.

I shall be sad to see it go but, it seems, it's inevitable as no one actually seems to care on jot for anything I say anymore.

Meh

Posted: 30th Sep 2002
This is what it has come to then I guess...

Beloved outspoken madmen who bring smiles to my face with their posts like C@ntus leaving the site due to the lack of intelectual stimulation present in these here boards.

This is not the same site I once loved and unless we somehow change I will also have to say goodbye to the frequency of visits I try to make to these boards...

I would also love to here the MOD's opinion and... hey Malcom! I would love to know what your take on this issue is seeing as you were so involved in our last similar discussion about the content of the boards.

Is this what the founders of the site intended?

Much love, Drome

JUGGLEwithyourmind!

Posted: 30th Sep 2002
ahh what happened to days gone past when all we had to worry about was Myst's BS...

yes times have changed...

anyone got a light?

Posted: 30th Sep 2002
A lot of threads have been done to death though Kell.....hence a lot of crap filling up the gaps.

Oh it's all good for something I'm sure, even if it's just people like me needing something to waste time with

Gonna miss u guys heaps
Cam - x

Small Lardy Person In Disguise

Posted: 30th Sep 2002
Whilst I'm sure most hoppers are guilty of starting some contreversial debate about something you have to ask: Why did they start that topic?

I quite agree with Dromepixie and have to say that the human race as a whole have a morbid fascination with tragedy and mishaps, why do we bring the troubles of the outside world with us, is it because we are afraid of loosing touch with a vague reality that's all to clouded in it's own political agendas? Why would anyone in their right mind want to keep hold of that? And yet we do......

It amazes me how stupid we all are, that's not a dig at anyone in particular - the very fact that I feel I have to say that is proof in itself that we're all paranoid - but people in general, we are far to obsessed with what's on the outside and spend far to little time looking in on ourselves.

Obsession and the never ending quest for knowledge can be a dangerous path to follow.

whats up with all the limitations?

Posted: 30th Sep 2002
Cam, (aka small)

I understand that most threads have been done to death but have we lost the ability to come up with new ideas...?!

I just dont like seeing a place where I used to find such intelectual and helping thoughts to guide me being overrun by masses and masses of useless posts which usually dont involve thought or which make other peoples quables between each other everyones business.

I would just like to see the love and light on these boards again! I'm with Cass!

and Cam where are you going?

Much love, drome

JUGGLEwithyourmind!

Posted: 30th Sep 2002

quote:

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Originally posted by Raymund Phule:
Dont leave us becuase you dont like all the posts. Heck I dont like them but I dont care about the posts its the people.

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I never said I would leave... I said I would reduce the frequency of visits as I do not come here to talk about random shit all the time.

The people, yes I love them to and my PM section is quite active when I have something to say to someone... I am not leaving this site as I still have many friends here and love it to death.

Much love, drome

JUGGLEwithyourmind!

Posted: 30th Sep 2002
Personally I don't contribute to a lot of the babbling that goes on, but I don't mind it as I can easily ignore threads or posts that I know are going to be inconsequential. There's an amazing amount of new people on this board. It's huge now! And the new people are always going to discuss the same things and ask the same questions without thinking of searching old threads. As with any group of acquaintances there's a lot of 'lowest common denominator chat going on, stuff that a lot of people can easily relate to and contribute to.

The personal threads are testaments to the personal nature of this site and the friendship and emotional contacts formed through it. Sometimes it's good to discuss issues in your life that ring true with other people on here. However sometimes I think some threads like these, and many other threads, are popularity contests.

And the Mods aren't about much. Other boards have mods that enforce the topic and kill a lot of spurious threads, but not so here. Plus point of this is that it is freer and more formal, but negative is that there's a lot of crap to sift through.

Live and let live, but be aware that the random post you post will take up 100 people's time so is it really worth it?

Posted: 30th Sep 2002
have just posted that in a thread and found it should probably be in this one to keep it all in one. seems like kuro deleted the thread anyway, thank beautiful

posted 01 October 2002 00:23
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I do think it is necessary and healthy for all of us to discuss it, talk it over and move on.

one of the thigns I've always loved about HOP is that we can debate things and also that it felt like a warm home.

What we are going through now is a "teenage crisis" of some sorts : the board has grown drastically within a year time and so everyone is trying to adapt.

We just need to try and say things gently but honestly. No personnal attacks... constructive analysis and critisism only...

it is important for everyone to have a chance to pour their heart out and say what hurts them AND what makes them happy...

I am so attached to this board. I love it, love the moderators and Malcolm and can never thank them enough.

I love also so many people on HOP and I am ready to love more people and welcome the newbies...

And so if something hurts, let's try and see what it is .

yes, competition is a problem. the introduction threads have been created to welcome people and are somewhat turning into a sad popularity contest.

what can we do about that ? simply realize that the amount of post in a thread does not sum up the qualities of someone and how loveale this person is. let it be what it was meant to be in the first place : the opportunity to welcome new comers and give them a hug and a welcome smile to make them feel comfortable.

the connections and regional "gangs" .... hmmm... we are all guilty and non guilty at teh same time. Wonderfull to meet a whole lot of people. AMAZing to have a connection ... why deny it ? So why don't we try and keep this treasure while still keeping in mind the fact that it can be intimidating for newbies, and stay OPEN. And besides... that intimidated newbie in this dark corner might be your next best friend ... don't miss an opportunity to meet him / her ...

Flirting is good, flirting is lovely ... joking is too, everything is ... it is when it gets "extreme" and exclusive that it starts to be annoying. same with everything.
ray is right these flirts have always been on HOP, and yet probably they were a bit "lighter" while the real courtcship was done on email and PM... not too much PDA is a necessary rule to keep things nice and fluffy and at the same time : open tenderness and warmth are always welcome ..; we are all tree hugging hippies deep down (well .. some of us at least ) and so let's keep that warmth and continue to shine ...

Political debates have always been heated, an I do not think they are the problem. they are clearly identified by their titles and so anyone wishing to not debate can just avoid it, no ?

Maybe we need a bit of a HOP etiquette ... like try and keep subjects on topic more or less ... or at least always be aware that you need to check with the one who started the thread if he is Ok with you changing the subject partly ?

will think of more and try to post

Shine on
Cassandra

"I want brown bread... no, that is diesel oil..."
"So I was raised in Europe, where History comes from ..."
"NON !!! La Plume de mon oncle n est pas Bingibangibungi !!!"

Posted: 30th Sep 2002
And one thing I would like to add . I can see how many people find some posts not interesting , and to a certain extent I agree. As long as a thread is not aggressive or unfair or mean, just not "my cup of tea" (or glass of wine actually ) i have no real problem with it.

I must even say that I am so happy to have found people who share the same sense of nonsense as i do (some master it so well ) . this is part of the happiness and silliness tath IMO is good on HOP.

the more I am thinking of teh situation, the less depressed i am because i see it as a unique opportunity to talk, discuss, solve and move on instead of having so much pent up inside frustration and all ... I like communication...

one thing about the thing that triggered this discussion. I don't think anyone should ever feel bad for saying outloud that they love HOPers. It is not by telling someone that you love them that you make others feel unloved as long as you are being carefull in the way you word it. it occured to me that it'd be sad for people to not say nice things anymore by fear of sounding too "exclusive" .

Shine on
Cassandra

"I want brown bread... no, that is diesel oil..."
"So I was raised in Europe, where History comes from ..."
"NON !!! La Plume de mon oncle n est pas Bingibangibungi !!!"

Posted: 30th Sep 2002
and also ... (boy this is getting so long, i am sorry)...

i don't think we have covered all possible subjects and there is nothing left to discuss.

I am certain that there are hundreds of unexplored discussions (poi-related or not). and also i am very sure that all the new comers will bring a new light on "old topics" as well... this is why it is so important for everyone to feel free to talk.

I am sorry because I realize how I am typing my heart out here. i am just very very very much in love with this website.

Malcolm, i do not know how you see this discussion. clever as you are , I know that you are taking things with philosophy. i just hope you don't feel bad about it and never forget how this place is unique and you are one of the maine reasons for that if things get heated up, it means we care...

we do care ... we just need to step back and chill out a bit...

thank you again

and again

and again

shine on
Cassandra

"I want brown bread... no, that is diesel oil..."
"So I was raised in Europe, where History comes from ..."
"NON !!! La Plume de mon oncle n est pas Bingibangibungi !!!"

Posted: 30th Sep 2002
Q: Have we lost the point?

A: Quite possibly and if we haven't, we are in danger of doing so.

Listen to people like Cassandré and Dromepixie.

whats up with all the limitations?

Posted: 30th Sep 2002
Ray, please try to keep it non personnal.

I think NYC and drome have done nothing but one thing : say outloud what many people think in silence.

i have been saddened and hurt more and more by the attitudes on Hop in the past few months and can only say that I think it is good for things to be said and maybe we can finally move on.

the situation is not as bad as it may sound when I say how hurt I am (that's just me being ridiculously emotional), yet I think there have been enough going on to justify the questions.

again .. if we react it means we care
If we care it means we love
if we love, we just need to sort our things out and then be all bouncy again

shine on
Cassandra

"I want brown bread... no, that is diesel oil..."
"So I was raised in Europe, where History comes from ..."
"NON !!! La Plume de mon oncle n est pas Bingibangibungi !!!"

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Posted: 30th Sep 2002
The point of the social discussion area was to house the threads that were not breaking the house rules, but didnt have anything to do with actually DOING twirly stuff.

You cant really complain about it all being crap.

and about the mods not being around much...WHO was it that complained SO bitterly when Mods did try to steer the course of the board a little? YOU GUYS. You get what you ask for.

I'm just glad the technical threads havent been infected. In fact they are better off only having 10 posts a week, cuz all of those posts are decent good well thought out posts. etc.

ok ok I'm going off the deep end, but I've seen this board flux backwards and forwards, from a user perspective and from that of a Mod.

EVERYONE is responsible for how it is, you dont like it? fix it.

There are a lot of quality people on this board, it aint that bad

Josh

Posted: 30th Sep 2002
hey josh!! no actually it is not wink it is pozee but i am too excited to see your name and too lazy to log back off. man, things sure have gotten crazy around here huh? im jsut in if for the fire. i hope all is well on your end. ill drop you an e-mail tonight. take care...

Posted: 30th Sep 2002
Please don't leave us C@ntus, who else will there be to take your place other than mayhap Bender wif all the crazy mumble jumble and the stuff that makes us laugh. You may not notice it, but all of you guys have a special place in here. You are the crotchety funny oldtimers that have been here since the board pretty much started.

You. Its whats for dinner!

As time passes, you realise all the mistakes you amde and the ones you wish you never did make.

The wave crashing on the beach

Posted: 30th Sep 2002
Ummmm.... Sorry Ray for bitching didn't mean to depress you

You. Its whats for dinner!

As time passes, you realise all the mistakes you amde and the ones you wish you never did make.

The wave crashing on the beach

Posted: 30th Sep 2002
I have to agree with drome,although I enjoy the rantings on aboot nutella and marmite,sometimes yal tend to post it where it doesnt belong,I am sure I do as well but I try not to.some of yall totally nonsensed up ebony flames intro.as well as a few others.any ways I am not one to rant too much so I bid you all good day.
~Jonny~

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Posted: 30th Sep 2002
It is obvius that I am just to stressed and deprived of sleep. I am sorry to offend people. So I just deleated everything I wrote. Sorry if you posts dont make sence now.

Some Jarhead last night: "this dumb a$$ thinks hes fireproof"

Posted: 30th Sep 2002
Okay,
I mostly lurk in the technical threads because I don't feel I have as yet anything "new" to offer, and I have a reeeeaaalllly hard time learning stuff from a description.

Admitedly, there have been some very superfluous, silly threads lately, but after all, it is "social" discussion, right? As for me, I am a part of a very large tribe spread out across the country and made up of a lot of alternative thinkers, people who think "out of the box", if you will. We have a discussion group that I am a very active part of, and the types of things we discuss are usually thought-provoking and serious. I love it. BUT I love this board precisely because of the sillyness! It's fun to be silly and extreme! I do, however see the problem with those threads when some people start to feel like there are cliques and so forth that they aren't a part of, that sucks. Unfortunately that's also human nature for the most part.

And I don't mean to imply in any way that the people on this board aren't capable of having in-depth, serious discussions! Quite the contrary! I'm saying that I have my outlets for that already, on-line and in the "real" world.

And frankly, I don't know if I would contribute much to threads like that on this site. Reason? I have seen those types of serious threads turn into shouting matches here (ie, whose country is better) and then feelings get hurt a lot more than when someone isn't voted a sexy spinner! For me, to feel comfortable adding my deepest thoughts to a forum where you routinely have thought-provoking discussion on serious issues (religion, politics, etc) there has to be faith in the knowlege that I won't get flamed for something I say which someone else may not agree with...and I have seen how many on this board take things personally and then make it a matter of war, instead of debate. There is no need to attempt to tell someone that the way they choose to live or an opinion they have is "wrong". That's what makes us all different and that's why opinions are, well, opinions. I know without a doubt that I would never get that kind of judgement passed onto me by any of the people that are part of my "other" discussion forum. Besides that, it's a closed forum and you only get in by invitation, with approval from the whole community. There are no random lurking types who you don't know.

I absolutely believe that the answer to the quandry everyone seems to be in is NOT censorship! Censorship bad. Free speech good.
Just my .02 ....going back to some sillyness now

In Love, Light, Respect and Honor: Perfect Love and Perfect Trust

Nyx

"Dancing can reveal all the mystery that music conceals"

~Charles Baudelaire

Posted: 30th Sep 2002
BTW, has anyone ever seen the cartoon movie, "The Point"? Some very good lessons on, "what exactly is the point?" (of anything, of something, you fill in the blank area!)

"Dancing can reveal all the mystery that music conceals"

~Charles Baudelaire

Posted: 30th Sep 2002
Holy crap Nyx, I've got that on VINYL. It was my first childhood record... I didn't think ANYONE else knew that. You got a record player up there in NH?

"A point in every direction is the same as no point at all" -The Pointed Man

Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]

Posted: 30th Sep 2002
drome, cassandra, pozee, dom and cantus
here here.

god damn drome, good point. I don't so much mind the bullshit, i think its called social bonding or something. but i often feel that the lovelyness often seems to over done, too false,
that there are just too many insincere hugs and smilies.
False jestures of friendship and goodwill, ring hollow.

Kelly, dom, Danae. You've reminded my why I always take time to read you posts. Incredibly insightful. thanks.

Cantus, quit fishing for sympathy, you're alright. You've made some very very funnist posts on hop and for about 3 months you really lifted the whole character of the place more than anyone else. enjoy re-entering real life. respect.

Its weird that this came up, (Nice one drome) the last time I sat in from of a computer, on saturday night and drafted an entire HOP outroduction for glass.
I decided not to post it.
If I ever make it bak I will do.
But yep, I'm kinda checking out too.
I'm happy, and im going to lurk around for a bit more, cos I've got a few more things to do before I go.
and i think they might be appreciated round here as a leaving present.

and it made me realise to number of people who have drifted away quitely. but I don't feel sad, that they have gone.
Time on HOP is not time spent spinning.
Time on HOP is time spent in front of a computer typing, not time spent in the company of friends.

So I'm not leaving HOP, I'm just going e-travelling for a while. I'll be back one day (I left HOP completely for 1.5 years last time I took a break), but till then, I'll check up for new moves and ideas occasionally, especially from that kid Nix?
Still contactable by PM, PH, E-mail or even in real life.

Thanks for everything ya'll, too much to list here, yes, i think HOP has had an effect on me, for the betterer.

Goodbye for now

Glass
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Happy beginner:)
Fragile
Bulletproof
in case of emergency, break.....

and finally my favorite from pele:
life is beautiful,
(if your worried that HOP doesn't have indept discussion, go check out that thread of peles again, its still my favorite post ever and just for today:

Real life is beautiful

[ 01 October 2002, 09:58: Message edited by: glass ]

Posted: 30th Sep 2002
NYC, are you saying there's a soundtrack to it? Are we talking about the same thing? Oblio and his dog Arrow go on an amazing voyage of discovery?

"Dancing can reveal all the mystery that music conceals"

~Charles Baudelaire

Posted: 30th Sep 2002
I've been sitting here for a bit trying to figure out exactly what happened and I've failed.

I honestly have no clue why people are leaving but I wish them luck and happiness and hope to see them when the kero fumes blow me there...

Though my name's been dropped I'm not sure why. Don't get me wrong, I understand I was offended by somethings that were done and said and voiced my frustration. But I did have a clear consise point. Of course it got deleted, but it was clear. It was even in CAPS.

I actually think that many different people here are talking about many different things that are unrelated and some are even missing the point of the point.

Some are complaining about the superficiality, some are complaining about the exclusiveness, some were complaining about the flirting. I, personally, never had an issue with any of these things.

If someone's got a gripe, say it. Perhaps that's what got us into this mess. I respect someone who would voice an opinion or disagreement like I did on Smallboy's thread.

And finally, I'm not upset by what HoP's become because it's ALWAYS BEEN THAT. As Cass suggested, it just hadn't been said.

Should we go back to the good old days when it was Ravers vs. Firespinners? Or before that when the TRUE old skoolers (who's old enough to remember Diana the Huntress and the rest of the original posse) got pissed off by what us new kids had done to the place and left? Or perhaps we should get some old fashioned testosterone "I'm a better spinner than you" thread.

People talk, people disagree, they talk about it, it gets heated, somebody posts the "what the heck is going on here" post, everyone cools off/leaves, the cycle repeats...

It's the cycle of life. Sparkly poi.

Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]

Posted: 30th Sep 2002
I think I'll just go back to making jokes. When i try seriousness I seem to end up getting upset/hurt.

Pozee, do you know where I parked my submarine?

I looked near Flash's horse and "jousting stick" but it wasn't there.

Ah halcyon days.

Chickens, piano wire and cured colds to all those concerned
C@ntus

Meh