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AnonymousPLATINUM Member

Posted: 10th Jan 2001
Next time just put metal spikes around the cord and I'm sure they won't do it twice, or is that considered mean and nasty?

AnonymousPLATINUM Member

Posted: 10th Jan 2001
it's that whole invincable thing... people think they are superman or something... add a little drugs/alcohol into the mentality, and there you go...super dumb people who walk into your shit.-flavio :-)

Posted: 10th Jan 2001
just swing harder and think of natural selection.

Posted: 10th Jan 2001
My friend. I laughed when I saw you say that because it happens to me every time I go out . I work in the drome sometimes and it get really infuriating. Not only that but people have also walked in front of me doing fire. Some guy also let a huge flash from a camera off right in my face (how stupid can you get) I accidently hit him. That'll teach them a leasson. Don't worry, we all know how you feel. peace out garbo

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Posted: 10th Jan 2001
mmm..sorry to be the voice of reason here, but another way to look at this is that YOU are the one doing the twirling, YOU are the performer and it is your actions, even if the dumb fuckers walk into you, that cause injury. I had this argument with a long-time fire performer a while ago and he argued this case and now I agree with him. People can be trippin or just pissed and they might not know whats goin on. We know that fire poi can hurt from experience, but if you've never done it you might not realise this, you might not even realise its 'real' fire - you know the hot stuff!In the end I see it as MY responsibility. If my actions hurt someone else, even if they walked into me, its my fault for not being aware enough of them coming near me. But, yeah, some people...ooo here's fire travelling real fast on chains, lets walk into it! Doh!diskoinferno------------------*burn-baby-burn-disko-inferno*

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Posted: 10th Jan 2001
haha i posted exactly the same message on the older board Jeff (i think it was called 'skull-crasher' or something - have a look, it's funny that we all have the same problem)...disko i know what you are saying is right and i do stop spinning when people move close to me (even if i don't understand the reason) but...why are people dumb??? happy swinging,Simos

Posted: 11th Jan 2001
a few funnys.a granny tried to walk right across the area i was performing in(poi) and i almost twatted her and then she noticed this fire thing about an inch from her face (i was scared too) and moved faster than i bet shes moved in a long time.whilst fire juggling some youths (for want of a better word) walked past and i heard one say to another "oh, its not real fire!"by the way the title "why are people dumb" made me click immediatley

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Posted: 10th Jan 2001
i think Disko is wrong.... people a dumb and its their fault!im in a designated spot, its their fault!!!i like the spiky chain idea purple dragon.

AnonymousPLATINUM Member

Posted: 10th Jan 2001
First, I totally respect Disko's sense of responsibility. Thanks for voicing it. People will be idiots. And some assholes will be diliberately endanger themselves because you're playing with fire and they feel threatened. As a spinner, you're not always in the best position to do something about it. Noone has eyes in the back of their heads. I'll spare you all the ugly details. Suffices to say that part of the responsiblity to ensure noone gets hurt by what you're doing, including the idiots and assholes, is having fire safety people around to getting them safely out of the way without breaking your stride or ruining the show. IMHO,Diana

Posted: 10th Jan 2001
My two cents...and that really is about all it is worth...is that no one here is off the mark. There is a professional responsibiity that should be taken by the performer to ensure the safety of even the dumbest audience member, which is by having safeties or drawiing definable no cross zones (at Ren Faire I block off the stage by standing on the foremost benches and not allowing anyone on them and that is how I start the show). As an audience member they have a responsibility to respect your position as a performer but I think it goes back to what we were talking about in another discussion chain, where people either think they can do it too and so feel it is nothing special and that they themselves are gods, or they are threatened by the spectacle and want attention,which the sudden trip to the emergency room when I don't stop swinging, will give them. Either way..jealousy, curiousity or just ingrained stupidity...people are going to be how they are no matter how much we vent. It's better to cover your own ass and protect them, even when you want to beat them, than to face a lawsuit.At least those are my insignificant humble feelings on the matter.Happy bonking!------------------Pele Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir...

Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK

Posted: 11th Jan 2001
We should be able to declare people stupid and shoot them to put them out of their misery

Posted: 11th Jan 2001
hey Pele, face a 'lawsuit'? what's that? hmmm lawsuit sounds like a word of the future! i bet that if you did put metal spikes on your Poi and hit someone, you would 'magically' end up not facing a lawsuit in Cyprus happy swinging,Simos

Posted: 11th Jan 2001
Law suits...God thats a scary idea, litigation is getting more common in the UK and I guess its a thing I should think about...mmm maybe not!But I guess the rule of thumb is common sense rules OK!Has anyone ever been sued for assult with a deadly poi? ------------------*burn-baby-burn-disko-inferno*

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Posted: 11th Jan 2001
purple dragon - shouldnt that be shooting them to put us out of our misery? Id often go for the the just dont know whats going on call - Ive been spinning outside at parties right in front of the big windows at a friends place ... go inside and people are like, 'so, what was going on outside then?' people seem to be remarkably unobservent

I wish I could jump like that, he thought. Some can and some can't. That's how it is.
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Posted: 11th Jan 2001
lol - yeah as long as we get to shoot someone, and as for the lawsuit issue - I live in New Zealand they just don't happen.

Posted: 12th Jan 2001
Heh...the USA is finally starting to get over thier litigation happy ways cause judges got so sick of petty crap coming through the courtrooms. Instead people take it to the tv now...."And on the next Judge Judy....This man had his balls singed by a rogue fire swinger when we walked into her poi at a club.Will he be compensated for his toasty nuts or will she slip away in the smoke?...." ------------------Pele Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir...

Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK

Posted: 13th Jan 2001
:02get this: accidents happen.they happen because of ignorance, not stupidity.subtle difference.who on this board can say they didn't ever have an accident of some sort?so, these people at clubs, shows etc are not stupid. they are like us: ignorant.as people in a position of lesser ignorance with respect to fire performance, we should do what we can to avoid accidents.However, if an ignorant person gets hurt despite our best efforts, let us hope it hurts a lot so they will remember next time.knowledge = powero-o

Posted: 13th Jan 2001
We were doing a show for a fetish ball, our gig was to spin in fron of the place to get peoples attention. We had an area marked off with traffic cones and several safeties. A limo pulls up past our area but the poeple insisted on going right through the middle of the performance area that had two people spinning fire. Our safeties are yelling at these people the area wasn't safe and not to walk through the performers, they just looked at them like "we don't have to listen to you we're rich" and came within inches of finding out how bad pvc and feathered wings burn. Luckily our safeties got the performers attention in time to save these morons.

How is it ever possible to feel safe and secure in a world in which everyone dies?

Posted: 14th Jan 2001
I always spin with a spotter when playing with fire, no exceptions. One of the jobs that they understand belongs to them is crowd control. This includes getting my attention if anyone is daft enough to walk behind me where I can't see them. It lets me concentrate on the performance, as it should be.While it would be nice to whack a couple of moles per show, it interrupts the spinning, and if there's a crowd watching, it breaks their trance as well. Better to let your spotter take care of it. Also, as far as them learning from the experience, there will always be new idiots out there to get in the middle of your shit, so they get a lesson and you get virtually nothing in the long run.That being said, I don't spin glowsticks nearly as often. The danger element is much lower, so the consequences are more forgiving than with fire. Maybe a couple of snorts upside the head with a plastic tubie would straighten people out, if it's a space you've claimed as your own. I recommend peeing in a circle to definitively mark your territory. It depends on whether you're entertaining a crowd, or just dancing for yourself, I suppose.

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AnonymousPLATINUM Member

Posted: 15th Jan 2001
Crispy, I know that feeling. People getting into your mix because of their egos. I'd like to suggest, and this is for everyone to consider, that safety's job isn't just to tell people to get out of the way, it's to escort people out of the way if need be. I've done shows where people try to get everywhere. It's our job as safeties, when we do safety, to secure the performance area. This means noone besides performers and safety get past your perimeter. If folks start to walk through the performance space, I get in front of them and kindly point out the safe way to proceed. I do not move out of the way, until they are on their way. If they try to move around me, I move again and tell them again the importance of walking around not through the performance space. I think it's important in terms of their safety, performer safety, and keeping the flow of the show so that everyone has the most safe and enjoyable time. Diana

Posted: 14th Jan 2001
Again I agree with Diana. We train our safeties in the "safe" way to manhandle people out of the area. We do the three strike theory. We tell the person once, stepping in front of them, tell them again and the third time, using gentle pressure escort them out of the area the way they came. It's how the bouncers in teh bar I worked at were trained and it worked for them, so far it has worked for us. Also at nightclubs you can usually talk to the crowd control staff hired by the club itself. They will also help to keep on eye on any problematic areas while performing. It's a nice rapport to have, and amazing back up (after all, they have the right to escort people out of the club if it comes to that extreme).------------------Pele Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir...

Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK

AnonymousPLATINUM Member

Posted: 16th Jan 2001
I can't believe someone suggested metal spikes on the end of firetoys.. I hope you attempt such a thing, and get a nice big serrated bit of metal in your flesh for your karmic backlash and utter stupidity.I agree that the performer has to watch what they are doing. They aren't the only person on the floor at a rave/club. However since a few of them have such overly inflated opinions of themselves they seem to think this gives them the right to be careless with their equipment.Granted, some people think they are somehow supernatural and don't need to give people the room they need... but I know that this can ring true for the fire/UV performer as well. We're almost all just as bad as eachother.

Posted: 17th Jan 2001
Arialtetsuo-Um...It was like a joke - I was kidding (can you say over-reaction!)

AnonymousPLATINUM Member

Posted: 19th Jan 2001
purple dragon,joke.... I'm sorry - I was used to listening to people with real senses of humour ... I forgot it was probably different in this section of this web site.

Posted: 22nd Jan 2001
purple dragon...did you ever think of chain saws? ------------------*burn-baby-burn-disko-inferno*

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Posted: 24th Jan 2001
one time this guy kept on trying to run through my poi as i was swinging. i kept on stoping cause i really didnt want to hurt anyone there. but as it turned out it was more or a feat for him to overcome. kinda like jump rope he said... i didnt hear what he said though after i clobbered him in the back of the head with a glowstick as he ran through

Its all in good, clean, light producing fun.

Posted: 25th Jan 2001
i get what your saying i swining a couple of days ago and some stoned fuck wittrun in to me TWENTY MINS LATER a druck runs into me is there something with pott heads drunks and fir? the just walk into it >f@@##$@@$%^%^%&&&&&&*********** &*^&^s^&^*&^&*^&^&*^%bye

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Posted: 25th Jan 2001
I totally agree with the "ignorant" people statement!! All of the people that have almost run into me, were either on drugs or drunk, and didn't have the best concept of "safe distance of watching". I teach scuba diving as well...it's the same thing, people are seeing something that is almost magical, and they become children!! I guess it's my maternal insticts, but when people start getting dangerously close, swing your pois behind you and aggressively advise the "children" to "get away from me sweetie, I am going to set you on fire, so be a darlyn, and sit over there and watch!"--they usually listen!If they don't see you and it's an accident, then it's your fault for not somehow making it your spot by a rope on the ground, or keeping watch properly with a spotter.Don't hurt the kids...they don't know any better!!Happy Twirling.Sacha

Posted: 27th Jan 2001
after a party last night and reading about the other side of the story in another BB (i think it was about raves and there was a whole discussion about glowsticks on strings - not a positive one either) i am inclined to revise some of my thoughs on this...1) out of experience i am convinced that a lot of people cannot genuinly estimate the safety distance they should keep or predict the direction the poi will fly next - for many of them it's just that they haven't seen poi before so i guess it's unfair to expect them to 'guess' that out of the blue the next move will be a corkscrew (while the poier turns around) so what they think is a safety distance all of a sudden is well within the 'dangerous zone' - in my opinion it's mostly our responsibility to look out for these people and take care not to smack them (there were some horrible stories about people getting injured from glowsticks on the other BB)...2) the second category of people are the drunk/stoned etc ones - a lot of these people are out of touch with the real world and not only don't care about keeping a safe distance , they are even inclined to run towards the bright lights depending on what they've had!!! i take care not to hit them but if i am in an empty corner swinging my glowsticks and some comes running (believe me even this happens!!!) into them i think it's mostly his /her responsibility...3) show offs/people wanting to pick up a fight/people wanting to see if they'll make it to the other side (!!!) (99% of the time they will be males) - well i try again not to smack them but i...don't try so hard !!!side note - if they are bigger than you just stop swinging and change place...4) In general glowsticks on strings might not be the most appropriate thing for really busy places - i agree with the 'other side's' argument that if the room is busy you should at least have quite short strings or just not swing depending on how busy it is...5) The above of course holds for glowstick dancing in parties rather than performing - for performing i would definitely recommend a podium if you are confident enough!!! well i am sorry for 'changing' sides a bit!!! i guess i am just scared from last night (sooo many people walking into my glowsticks - fortunately i managed not to hurt anyone - i ended up believing it was my fault for being there ),happy swinging,Simos

Posted: 9th May 2005
had to restart a random thread from long ago...
soo... simply swap the glowsticks for fire, and it will serve the dumb right!

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