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1,463 posts
Location: Florida
1,463 posts
Location: Florida
Posted:
I haven't been around the site too much recently due to personal issues in my life.
Lately I have signed on and I seriously wonder why so many unnessesary and superficial posts are online here.
I wonder...
Have we lost the point and got into some sort of routine where we use the site to vent bullshit?
I dont think that is the point! Every time I sign on I just dont feel the need to post as most of the threads are a waste of the precious time I can spend here; people arguing their personal vendetas to others in a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with what was posted in the first place, 'preference threads', etc...
I am sure some threads of nonsense are really cool for those at work to have a good time but why so many?
Now before anyone starts going off at me I would like to point out that this is not directed at any individual but at the site in general.
Have we all become superficial in our posts?
Is there a way to make HOP a more stimulating environment like the one I knew when I signed up or is it our policy to rant on about ramdom shit?
Much love, drome
I haven't been around the site too much recently due to personal issues in my life.
Lately I have signed on and I seriously wonder why so many unnessesary and superficial posts are online here.
I wonder...
Have we lost the point and got into some sort of routine where we use the site to vent bullshit?
I dont think that is the point! Every time I sign on I just dont feel the need to post as most of the threads are a waste of the precious time I can spend here; people arguing their personal vendetas to others in a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with what was posted in the first place, 'preference threads', etc...
I am sure some threads of nonsense are really cool for those at work to have a good time but why so many?
Now before anyone starts going off at me I would like to point out that this is not directed at any individual but at the site in general.
Have we all become superficial in our posts?
Is there a way to make HOP a more stimulating environment like the one I knew when I signed up or is it our policy to rant on about ramdom shit?
Much love, drome
JUGGLEwithyourmind!
NYC
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Posted:
Soundtrack NYX? Heck no, it's the whole dang story with songs included. Triangle toss to the pterodactyl egg hatching... and my fav, the Rock man... "You see what you wanna see, you hear what you wanna hear..."
It's even got a booklet in the record with the cartoon on it.
"Me and my arrow, straighter than narrow, wherever we go everyone knows... it's me and my arrow." VINLY baby, VINYL.
Soundtrack NYX? Heck no, it's the whole dang story with songs included. Triangle toss to the pterodactyl egg hatching... and my fav, the Rock man... "You see what you wanna see, you hear what you wanna hear..."
It's even got a booklet in the record with the cartoon on it.
"Me and my arrow, straighter than narrow, wherever we go everyone knows... it's me and my arrow." VINLY baby, VINYL.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
enthusiast
385 posts
Location: NorCal
385 posts
Location: NorCal
Posted:
WOW! Hmmm, now where to get a record player?!
I want everyone at HoP to watch that movie!
Now we have to get together!
But I remember it as "Me and my arrow...takin the high road...wherever we go, everyone knows it's, me and my arrow..." No?
I almost named my dog arrow!
WOW! Hmmm, now where to get a record player?!
I want everyone at HoP to watch that movie!
Now we have to get together!
But I remember it as "Me and my arrow...takin the high road...wherever we go, everyone knows it's, me and my arrow..." No?
I almost named my dog arrow!
"Dancing can reveal all the mystery that music conceals"
~Charles Baudelaire
NYC
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Posted:
That's the second verse, I was singin' the first. Then there's the bridge:
And in the morning when I wakeup
She may be gone... I don't know
And if we make up just to break up
I'll carry on, oh yes I will!
Then it does the first verse again... then it goes to the triangle toss... Damn Count's Kid. Messin' everything up for my boy Oblio
Yeah, I got's the goods, may even be able to get my hand on a record player... But not unless you email me back.
That's the second verse, I was singin' the first. Then there's the bridge:
And in the morning when I wakeup
She may be gone... I don't know
And if we make up just to break up
I'll carry on, oh yes I will!
Then it does the first verse again... then it goes to the triangle toss... Damn Count's Kid. Messin' everything up for my boy Oblio
Yeah, I got's the goods, may even be able to get my hand on a record player... But not unless you email me back.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
member
38 posts
Location: Laramie, Wyoming, USA
38 posts
Location: Laramie, Wyoming, USA
Posted:
Oh my gosh! So much to say. Finally.
I have been on HOP for a bit and have laughed at the antics of C@ntus and Bender. I have felt a true connection with dromepixie (being of the fae myself) and Cass (I hear you're coming to the states?!) The technique boards have helped me professionally, while the silly story posts have given me something to unwind with in the evening.
I almost never post, but this time I felt I had something to say...
I agree that debate is one thing and negativity something completly diffrent. These two have the power to enlighten and to destroy.
We are the ones who choose which it will be
And for those giving up. Have you lost so much faith in our community that you seek greener pastures?
Have we forgotten what the flame has bestowed upon us? That we will forever be changed by its presence in our life?
How!?
The flame drws us to it and to eachother. It teaches us love through respect. The fire is heat, warmpth and light, yet demands a sacrifice of maturity and respect.
We are all part of it's light.
Can we not extend the same love and respect to eachother.
So many souls find refuge here. Comfort can be found in the knowledge of so many coming together.
I love you all.
chelle
[ 01 October 2002, 15:33: Message edited by: jaidendawn ]
Oh my gosh! So much to say. Finally.
I have been on HOP for a bit and have laughed at the antics of C@ntus and Bender. I have felt a true connection with dromepixie (being of the fae myself) and Cass (I hear you're coming to the states?!) The technique boards have helped me professionally, while the silly story posts have given me something to unwind with in the evening.
I almost never post, but this time I felt I had something to say...
I agree that debate is one thing and negativity something completly diffrent. These two have the power to enlighten and to destroy.
We are the ones who choose which it will be
And for those giving up. Have you lost so much faith in our community that you seek greener pastures?
Have we forgotten what the flame has bestowed upon us? That we will forever be changed by its presence in our life?
How!?
The flame drws us to it and to eachother. It teaches us love through respect. The fire is heat, warmpth and light, yet demands a sacrifice of maturity and respect.
We are all part of it's light.
Can we not extend the same love and respect to eachother.
So many souls find refuge here. Comfort can be found in the knowledge of so many coming together.
I love you all.
chelle
[ 01 October 2002, 15:33: Message edited by: jaidendawn ]
~~Every Object, Every Being, Is A Jar Full Of Delight...~~
member
38 posts
Location: Laramie, Wyoming, USA
38 posts
Location: Laramie, Wyoming, USA
Posted:
And by the way...
I LOVED THE POINT! My son still loves it. one of his favorites! And with such a good lesson. Go out and rent it today...
And by the way...
I LOVED THE POINT! My son still loves it. one of his favorites! And with such a good lesson. Go out and rent it today...
~~Every Object, Every Being, Is A Jar Full Of Delight...~~
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Intrepid Penguin
5,635 posts
Location: Australia
Intrepid Penguin
5,635 posts
Location: Australia
Posted:
I thought long and hard, before posting here. I guess I could be classified as a newbie still, to HoP, but I can identify with what is happening here.
I belong to a chat site, on which I am a moderator. What is occuring on HoP at the moment, is something that I have seen several times, within my site. Basically, it comes down to this. There has been a new influx of people within HoP over the past few months. With these people, come new ideas, new ways of communicating. That may include flirting, or whatever. To some people this is a nuisance.
For those of you who have been on HoP for a while, do you find yourself uncomfortable because your social circle is widening, and you no longer have a niche?? HoP, like all other chat/board forums, has its Clicks. Groups of people that have known each other for quite a while, and who are very comfortable with each other. Yes, you have an incredible bond, but to what detriment?
Yes, there is a somewhat lessening of intelligence in the most recent posts. But there are also some very good things happening. Pele quite often has very insightful and wonderful things to post about. Her threads are amazing to read, as are all the replies. You may have to sift through a little of the junk, but there are still great things to read on this Forum.
So far as popularity contests go. I am of mixed feelings on this issue. For starters, i think it is obsurd, and should never have Become an issue. Secondly. If you yourself, are not secure enough to know that you are a wonderful person, who is complete, without the recommendation/compliments of others, then that is YOUR issue. Not one that you have to pull down the other lovely people on HoP, who are capable of expressing appreciation for each other. glass, you said there is too much false affection on this board?? consider that that may just be the way that others communicate.
In summary: Yes there are changes on HoP. Perhaps you may not like them all. But think back to what it is that you LOVE about this forum/site. What were the things you loved when you first came here? to help others? to learn new moves? to speak with the people you are close to?? NOTHING IS STOPPING YOU! i object that people think they should leave or stop posting, merely because they no longer like the content of the "social" threads. If so, post about the things you find important! people will still read, and reply if they think neccesary.
Mostly, just ride it out. When the newcomers have settled, and things calm down a little, you will still find yourself with an amazing site, with wonderful friends, and plenty of information to help you. Lets NOT allow the bitterness in posts like this, to tarnish the whole of HoP. Somethings are better left unsaid really.
I thought long and hard, before posting here. I guess I could be classified as a newbie still, to HoP, but I can identify with what is happening here.
I belong to a chat site, on which I am a moderator. What is occuring on HoP at the moment, is something that I have seen several times, within my site. Basically, it comes down to this. There has been a new influx of people within HoP over the past few months. With these people, come new ideas, new ways of communicating. That may include flirting, or whatever. To some people this is a nuisance.
For those of you who have been on HoP for a while, do you find yourself uncomfortable because your social circle is widening, and you no longer have a niche?? HoP, like all other chat/board forums, has its Clicks. Groups of people that have known each other for quite a while, and who are very comfortable with each other. Yes, you have an incredible bond, but to what detriment?
Yes, there is a somewhat lessening of intelligence in the most recent posts. But there are also some very good things happening. Pele quite often has very insightful and wonderful things to post about. Her threads are amazing to read, as are all the replies. You may have to sift through a little of the junk, but there are still great things to read on this Forum.
So far as popularity contests go. I am of mixed feelings on this issue. For starters, i think it is obsurd, and should never have Become an issue. Secondly. If you yourself, are not secure enough to know that you are a wonderful person, who is complete, without the recommendation/compliments of others, then that is YOUR issue. Not one that you have to pull down the other lovely people on HoP, who are capable of expressing appreciation for each other. glass, you said there is too much false affection on this board?? consider that that may just be the way that others communicate.
In summary: Yes there are changes on HoP. Perhaps you may not like them all. But think back to what it is that you LOVE about this forum/site. What were the things you loved when you first came here? to help others? to learn new moves? to speak with the people you are close to?? NOTHING IS STOPPING YOU! i object that people think they should leave or stop posting, merely because they no longer like the content of the "social" threads. If so, post about the things you find important! people will still read, and reply if they think neccesary.
Mostly, just ride it out. When the newcomers have settled, and things calm down a little, you will still find yourself with an amazing site, with wonderful friends, and plenty of information to help you. Lets NOT allow the bitterness in posts like this, to tarnish the whole of HoP. Somethings are better left unsaid really.
Currently on the right side up of the world.
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the henna lady
6,193 posts
Location: WNY, USA
the henna lady
6,193 posts
Location: WNY, USA
Posted:
I tried to post this once but then the connection went out in the middle. NYC, Diana still is here, she just remains respectfully silent. Many of the "old skoolers" do...and yes, I remember their lovely presences....Anyway, on with the show....
What the mods think was asked, and while Malcolm very beautifully and eloquently expressed how I feel in as far as, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem, I would also like to add to it as simply as I can.
First, as a mod, I can only do so much. I have a life and can not be here all the time. And as Josh said, I abide by if it doesn't hurt and it can be worked through, I leave it. This is the section for the non-sense. If you don't like it, don't read it. There is still much quality on this board, it just takes a little more work to find it.
I personally do not derive a great deal of pleasure or information from many of the threads on this board. I simply glance through to make certain they are acceptible and leave. Those I like, and more importantly *FEEL I PERSONALLY CAN CONTRIBUTE TO* I post in. There are what has come to be known as post whores on here, personal conversations conducted in threads, and all around silliness. Fine. I can ignore it.
What I can not ignore is this. Getting a pluthera of emails a day asking to stop someone from sending pm's because they are so nasty about protecting their own ego. There are people on this board who once appeared caring but now seem to be quite insensitive. This is hurtful. Be honest and then this no longer becomes a worry. Respect others opinions and present your own in a well thought out non-aggressive viewpoint and it makes the opportunity for miscommunication so much less. (This is for Ray, primarily) If you post something you regret, don't delete it, change it to create a better understanding of your position. That is the only way things get solved.
And there are ego's abound. With 3000 people, there is bound to be. However, if you are feeling insecure due to something said on this board, examine your life for your own insecurity. Things people say on here only effect you because you allow them to. Insecurity comes from within, how you deal with it is a personal choice and to take that out on others is irresponsible, to yourself and to others.
Also realise that with 3000 people comes differing opinions, viewpoints, and insecurities. These will never be solved. They *will* occur. There is a big difference between respect and walking on eggshells, respect is what is lacking on this board. If you are saying something sarcastically, make that known. If you are joking, think twice about who your joke is addressed to and whether or not it will be well received by him/her. I agree the smilies don't cut it and can come across as ingenuine after a snide comment.
Courtesy. It isn't alot to ask for.
I never got to see Smallboy's original thread as it was my weekend off , but I have heard much about it. Competition, concerning looks, spinning, whatever is really irrelevant here. There are too many people to judge without meeting them all and everyone on here is so lovely, there is just no competition.
This issue is not worth leaving the family for, because in leaving you do not improve things, only make it harder for those of us who remain to make it better. The more of us there are working together to lighten and enlighten, the easier the task will be.
Love, light and my deepest wishes for happy hearts
I tried to post this once but then the connection went out in the middle. NYC, Diana still is here, she just remains respectfully silent. Many of the "old skoolers" do...and yes, I remember their lovely presences....Anyway, on with the show....
What the mods think was asked, and while Malcolm very beautifully and eloquently expressed how I feel in as far as, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem, I would also like to add to it as simply as I can.
First, as a mod, I can only do so much. I have a life and can not be here all the time. And as Josh said, I abide by if it doesn't hurt and it can be worked through, I leave it. This is the section for the non-sense. If you don't like it, don't read it. There is still much quality on this board, it just takes a little more work to find it.
I personally do not derive a great deal of pleasure or information from many of the threads on this board. I simply glance through to make certain they are acceptible and leave. Those I like, and more importantly *FEEL I PERSONALLY CAN CONTRIBUTE TO* I post in. There are what has come to be known as post whores on here, personal conversations conducted in threads, and all around silliness. Fine. I can ignore it.
What I can not ignore is this. Getting a pluthera of emails a day asking to stop someone from sending pm's because they are so nasty about protecting their own ego. There are people on this board who once appeared caring but now seem to be quite insensitive. This is hurtful. Be honest and then this no longer becomes a worry. Respect others opinions and present your own in a well thought out non-aggressive viewpoint and it makes the opportunity for miscommunication so much less. (This is for Ray, primarily) If you post something you regret, don't delete it, change it to create a better understanding of your position. That is the only way things get solved.
And there are ego's abound. With 3000 people, there is bound to be. However, if you are feeling insecure due to something said on this board, examine your life for your own insecurity. Things people say on here only effect you because you allow them to. Insecurity comes from within, how you deal with it is a personal choice and to take that out on others is irresponsible, to yourself and to others.
Also realise that with 3000 people comes differing opinions, viewpoints, and insecurities. These will never be solved. They *will* occur. There is a big difference between respect and walking on eggshells, respect is what is lacking on this board. If you are saying something sarcastically, make that known. If you are joking, think twice about who your joke is addressed to and whether or not it will be well received by him/her. I agree the smilies don't cut it and can come across as ingenuine after a snide comment.
Courtesy. It isn't alot to ask for.
I never got to see Smallboy's original thread as it was my weekend off , but I have heard much about it. Competition, concerning looks, spinning, whatever is really irrelevant here. There are too many people to judge without meeting them all and everyone on here is so lovely, there is just no competition.
This issue is not worth leaving the family for, because in leaving you do not improve things, only make it harder for those of us who remain to make it better. The more of us there are working together to lighten and enlighten, the easier the task will be.
Love, light and my deepest wishes for happy hearts
Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK
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Sporadically Prodigal
2,758 posts
Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia
Sporadically Prodigal
2,758 posts
Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia
Posted:
hear hear Pele.... I have yet to post re: my opinion in this matter because much of it has aldready been said and now been reiterated by yourself.
Re: mods not being around.... We are here, but as Josh said, when people in the social forum decide to let a thread drift far far off topic, I'm not about to stop it. I used to be a bit of an on-topic nazi, but feel far too outnumbered these days and whatsmore, don't want to spoil your fun. As mods, I think we spend most of our time moving threads to appropriate forums and answering questions where we can.
I think people should have a read through Cass' online personality thread from way back because it illustrates much of what people hope to achieve within the online space.
BB's are places for community building, sharing of information and in many cases, an avenue for instant gratification. What often irks me is the latter.... I just find it mystifying that whilst there is an amazing world out there full of beautiful souls and wonderful experiences, that people crave such virtual attention.
I love HOP, and have had ever since I started lurking close to 2 years ago. When I had no computer access for several months this year I felt very disconnected and missed the motivation to better my fire skills that the wonderful spirit of HOP provided for me. However, since returning and with a new more objective perspective I feel less inclined to contribute and wash over a lot of the nonsense. It doesn't bother me to a huge extent, but like Pele, it would be nice to find something I can personally contribute to, and have the thread treated with respect and absent of personal convos and injokes.
Do you want the on-topic nazi back? Do you want actively moderated forums in which we determine what it appropriate? Or, do we all want to show each other the courtesy and respect we deserve, and utilise the BB for all it's worth, reserving personal communication and regional information for more appropriate mediums; PM's, email and chat rooms?
hear hear Pele.... I have yet to post re: my opinion in this matter because much of it has aldready been said and now been reiterated by yourself.
Re: mods not being around.... We are here, but as Josh said, when people in the social forum decide to let a thread drift far far off topic, I'm not about to stop it. I used to be a bit of an on-topic nazi, but feel far too outnumbered these days and whatsmore, don't want to spoil your fun. As mods, I think we spend most of our time moving threads to appropriate forums and answering questions where we can.
I think people should have a read through Cass' online personality thread from way back because it illustrates much of what people hope to achieve within the online space.
BB's are places for community building, sharing of information and in many cases, an avenue for instant gratification. What often irks me is the latter.... I just find it mystifying that whilst there is an amazing world out there full of beautiful souls and wonderful experiences, that people crave such virtual attention.
I love HOP, and have had ever since I started lurking close to 2 years ago. When I had no computer access for several months this year I felt very disconnected and missed the motivation to better my fire skills that the wonderful spirit of HOP provided for me. However, since returning and with a new more objective perspective I feel less inclined to contribute and wash over a lot of the nonsense. It doesn't bother me to a huge extent, but like Pele, it would be nice to find something I can personally contribute to, and have the thread treated with respect and absent of personal convos and injokes.
Do you want the on-topic nazi back? Do you want actively moderated forums in which we determine what it appropriate? Or, do we all want to show each other the courtesy and respect we deserve, and utilise the BB for all it's worth, reserving personal communication and regional information for more appropriate mediums; PM's, email and chat rooms?
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member
96 posts
Location: Australia
96 posts
Location: Australia
Posted:
I agree with Malcolm...
I wanted to say that this is a fire site and all discussions whould pertain to fire...and pioi, etc...( Fire arts, twirling arts) all the politics and late nite chat should go to another forum....
On the other hand, there is a thing known as Freedom Of Speech, personally I think it is overrated, but a lot of people support that principle...
I agree with Malcolm...
I wanted to say that this is a fire site and all discussions whould pertain to fire...and pioi, etc...( Fire arts, twirling arts) all the politics and late nite chat should go to another forum....
On the other hand, there is a thing known as Freedom Of Speech, personally I think it is overrated, but a lot of people support that principle...
Free your mind and your ass will follow!
member
53 posts
Location: auckland
53 posts
Location: auckland
Posted:
hi!
i am still lurking around, i still read the bulletin board fairly frequently but have nothing to contribute.
i don't even know who most of these people are anymore.
still looking forward to a massive collaboration of fire madness in nz sometime.
smile
hi!
i am still lurking around, i still read the bulletin board fairly frequently but have nothing to contribute.
i don't even know who most of these people are anymore.
still looking forward to a massive collaboration of fire madness in nz sometime.
smile
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old hand
887 posts
Location: san diego, USA
old hand
887 posts
Location: san diego, USA
Posted:
cantus, i thought you had forgotten...
cantus, i thought you had forgotten...
anyone got a light?
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HOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
HOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Posted:
Uh, the point? * frantically patting pockets *
Crap. I just had it! I swear. Oh shoot, where can I have put it?
Bad news, guys. I think I've lost the point...
Sorry 'bout that...
(sorry, but this thread is way too intense and I just wanted to lighten it up a bit... )
Uh, the point? * frantically patting pockets *
Crap. I just had it! I swear. Oh shoot, where can I have put it?
Bad news, guys. I think I've lost the point...
Sorry 'bout that...
(sorry, but this thread is way too intense and I just wanted to lighten it up a bit... )
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
Laguna dude
1,438 posts
Location: Laguna, California, US
1,438 posts
Location: Laguna, California, US
Posted:
anything which inspires such poetry as Malcolm has given us, blesses us.
personally, i take a rather long view, so i shall simply take in what y'all express about the state of things right now.
much fire to all, always, through all the twisting, off-shooting, flames and from our red-hot core!
~ Mike
anything which inspires such poetry as Malcolm has given us, blesses us.
personally, i take a rather long view, so i shall simply take in what y'all express about the state of things right now.
much fire to all, always, through all the twisting, off-shooting, flames and from our red-hot core!
~ Mike
molten cheers,
~ FireMike
FireMikeZ@yahoo.com (personal messages welcome, no promo spam, please!)
Laguna, California, US
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Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia
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2,996 posts
Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia
Posted:
Hi all,
Thanks for saying all the things I wanted to say (especially Nyx, who described exactly how I feel about posting in the technical threads ).
Please don't think that this board is going to "die away" or that you have to leave, because the atmosphere is changing. HoP is a malleable living breathing community. There is enough room for us all to sprawl and coexist happily.
Remember we went through a lovely stage for a while where the mods seemed to step back, and we all started policing ourselves. It had ugly moments, (anyone remember the points game? Invented not just to annoy people, but originally for the purpose of keeping threads on track, although it got out of hand), but it worked quite well.
We are getting a bit bigger, and we have got a little bit lax about it. But the fact that we can have this discussion, says we can still sort it out.
The biggest problems seem to be PM's, thread hijacking, and comments being mis-understood. The solutions? maybe just more of the same, use smilies, clarify our comments, try & stay on topic as much as poss & don't be afraid to take a thread back to the topic, be prepared to apologise. And as for the PMs, be careful sending a PM to continue a discussion privately that is a debate. It can be a bit like charging into someone's home to continue the discussion you had at a recent sporting event about how their team sucked.
Thank you to anyone who read this far. And any newbies who trawled through the lot, you are more than welcome to visit my intro thread. It seems to be stuck in a permanent state of breakfast, served out on my balcony with lorikeets. Or send me a PM if you fancy a slightly insane guide on the board.
[ 01 October 2002, 17:31: Message edited by: Rozi ]
Hi all,
Thanks for saying all the things I wanted to say (especially Nyx, who described exactly how I feel about posting in the technical threads ).
Please don't think that this board is going to "die away" or that you have to leave, because the atmosphere is changing. HoP is a malleable living breathing community. There is enough room for us all to sprawl and coexist happily.
Remember we went through a lovely stage for a while where the mods seemed to step back, and we all started policing ourselves. It had ugly moments, (anyone remember the points game? Invented not just to annoy people, but originally for the purpose of keeping threads on track, although it got out of hand), but it worked quite well.
We are getting a bit bigger, and we have got a little bit lax about it. But the fact that we can have this discussion, says we can still sort it out.
The biggest problems seem to be PM's, thread hijacking, and comments being mis-understood. The solutions? maybe just more of the same, use smilies, clarify our comments, try & stay on topic as much as poss & don't be afraid to take a thread back to the topic, be prepared to apologise. And as for the PMs, be careful sending a PM to continue a discussion privately that is a debate. It can be a bit like charging into someone's home to continue the discussion you had at a recent sporting event about how their team sucked.
Thank you to anyone who read this far. And any newbies who trawled through the lot, you are more than welcome to visit my intro thread. It seems to be stuck in a permanent state of breakfast, served out on my balcony with lorikeets. Or send me a PM if you fancy a slightly insane guide on the board.
[ 01 October 2002, 17:31: Message edited by: Rozi ]
It was a day for screaming at inanimate objects.
What this calls for is a special mix of psychology and extreme violence...
SILVER Member
15,417 posts
Location: South Wales
15,417 posts
Location: South Wales
Posted:
Fuck...this thread is very intense...
1) bullshit...as it is a social discussion board, i (i cant talk for you) bullshit with my mates all the time...you should hear some of the random crap that comes out of our heads....very worring indeed
2) the atmosphere...I agree it has turned a little zour but that is human nature...everyonce in a while people fall out and then a while later...become mates again...its just a way of life
3) an apology.....as im about the only person for the United Chains of Fire who posts here....i must give a formal apology for the totall bollocks i speak and utter randomness i come out with (looks very evily at smallboy for deleteing the post that i wrote in the most sincere frame of mind and also my confession...not going to do it again for some time...bastard. (joke))
4) now another confesson which i think deep down affects us all.....I love seeing or hearing my name (UCOF)on this website..as it means that people think about me...i love being popular as i hate being upset and fucked up...im sorry but its true. To be toatlly honest i started that official awards thread as i thought i would be in the running for some...just to see my name....i dont know how this has changed you opinion of me...
5) another apology..sorry for all the unfunny jokes i make...i see them as funny, others may see them as offensive/ unfunny....im sorry...its just the way i am.
Fuck...this thread is very intense...
1) bullshit...as it is a social discussion board, i (i cant talk for you) bullshit with my mates all the time...you should hear some of the random crap that comes out of our heads....very worring indeed
2) the atmosphere...I agree it has turned a little zour but that is human nature...everyonce in a while people fall out and then a while later...become mates again...its just a way of life
3) an apology.....as im about the only person for the United Chains of Fire who posts here....i must give a formal apology for the totall bollocks i speak and utter randomness i come out with (looks very evily at smallboy for deleteing the post that i wrote in the most sincere frame of mind and also my confession...not going to do it again for some time...bastard. (joke))
4) now another confesson which i think deep down affects us all.....I love seeing or hearing my name (UCOF)on this website..as it means that people think about me...i love being popular as i hate being upset and fucked up...im sorry but its true. To be toatlly honest i started that official awards thread as i thought i would be in the running for some...just to see my name....i dont know how this has changed you opinion of me...
5) another apology..sorry for all the unfunny jokes i make...i see them as funny, others may see them as offensive/ unfunny....im sorry...its just the way i am.
GOLD Member
still can't believe it's not butter
6,978 posts
Location: Melbourne, Australia
still can't believe it's not butter
6,978 posts
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posted:
surely the glass is half full, people?
I am too blinded by the affection from friends i have made here?
It humbles me to be in contact with such dinkum mates!
Yeah, you do get quarrels and spam, but that is more ado with human nature than of HoP. This wide variety of content in HoP just happens to reflect the wide variety of humanity we get here! and good for that, cus it's richer for it!
Are we forgetting all that is good here? although there's more sillyness inthe social section, the technical threads ain't exactly extinct! We're soooo lucky to have such a massive resource of fun + fire! You just have to pick'n'choose the bits you like! no-one's forcing you to read uncomfortable material.
I see HoP like a nice 24hr house party, where the words are typed, not spoken, and where all the conversations in the house are at your disposal, whether you throw up on the Heineken or not.
At a house party,
you don't have the opportunity to talk to everyone,
you don't know if everyone has heard of firetwirling yet,
you can't choose your conversations by the topic,
you can't lurk unseen when it suits you
but at HoP you can do alla that!
and it makes me explosively happy
I happen to love the technical section just as much as i love the social section, regardless of anyone's perception of either section, and i will continue doing so, until i go blind, then i'll get a wacky computer voice to read the threads and type with a braille keyboard, and maybe marry my nurse, like Stephen Hawking did...
(ps, Malcolm, man! awesome perspective on the poem! love it!)
Whether from a dodgy 'net cafe or in my smelly bedroom, I have never visited HoP without gaining from the experience. It's the nicest example of an electronic community i've ever encountered.
surely the glass is half full, people?
I am too blinded by the affection from friends i have made here?
It humbles me to be in contact with such dinkum mates!
Yeah, you do get quarrels and spam, but that is more ado with human nature than of HoP. This wide variety of content in HoP just happens to reflect the wide variety of humanity we get here! and good for that, cus it's richer for it!
Are we forgetting all that is good here? although there's more sillyness inthe social section, the technical threads ain't exactly extinct! We're soooo lucky to have such a massive resource of fun + fire! You just have to pick'n'choose the bits you like! no-one's forcing you to read uncomfortable material.
I see HoP like a nice 24hr house party, where the words are typed, not spoken, and where all the conversations in the house are at your disposal, whether you throw up on the Heineken or not.
At a house party,
you don't have the opportunity to talk to everyone,
you don't know if everyone has heard of firetwirling yet,
you can't choose your conversations by the topic,
you can't lurk unseen when it suits you
but at HoP you can do alla that!
and it makes me explosively happy
I happen to love the technical section just as much as i love the social section, regardless of anyone's perception of either section, and i will continue doing so, until i go blind, then i'll get a wacky computer voice to read the threads and type with a braille keyboard, and maybe marry my nurse, like Stephen Hawking did...
(ps, Malcolm, man! awesome perspective on the poem! love it!)
Whether from a dodgy 'net cafe or in my smelly bedroom, I have never visited HoP without gaining from the experience. It's the nicest example of an electronic community i've ever encountered.
Laugh Often, Smile Much, Post lolcats Always
Laguna dude
1,438 posts
Location: Laguna, California, US
1,438 posts
Location: Laguna, California, US
Posted:
the sofa's watching you as tv
(* & that ain't just random humor shit *)
(* it's frustrating, worthwhile, wonderful, crazy, & lovable *)
quote:yo, loco links dude,
This morning I sat on the tv and watched the sofa
the sofa's watching you as tv
(* & that ain't just random humor shit *)
(* it's frustrating, worthwhile, wonderful, crazy, & lovable *)
molten cheers,
~ FireMike
FireMikeZ@yahoo.com (personal messages welcome, no promo spam, please!)
Laguna, California, US
veteran
1,463 posts
Location: Florida
1,463 posts
Location: Florida
Posted:
Hello to all...
I am sitting here trying to figure out how to word all that I want to say and know I'll be here for a while...
I began this thread not because I dislike the site or anyone on it but because when I came here I found a place of sharing and also respect. To complete the lovely picture I have met many people who have inspired me to reach deeper inside myself to find the true shining light within.
I HAVE LOVED ALL MOMENTS SHARED!
In the last couple of months so many new people have joined so quickly I think some of the companionship and general posting etiquette had been lost. I understand that random posts do make the place quite lively and fun; I think thats grear. The worry was really due to several personal quables between members and increasingly seriously toned varieties of preference threads which have made this board kinda sour.
My thoughts in posting where to try and say something that was bothering me personally cause I suddenly found it hard to try and be myself somewhere where I used to feel so comfortable and happy. I also thought that many people where holding their tounges like myself because of the same or similar discomfort. Maybe its whats happened to me thats made me critical. I honestly believe this is something that needed discussion before it became a 'free for all' (no consideration) on these boards.
I dont think that HOP should be perfect or constantly happy I just ask for the same respect and consideration that every person on this board deserves for myself and mainly generaly for each and every member on this board.
This is a comunity and often in comunities its not about the self, its about the collective so when I am talking I am refering to us all including myself because I am aware that I have also played a part in whats happened; we all have.
In responce to posts since I saw the thread last...
Cassandra: Thank you for the warmth and hugs you share with all about this place and the genuine concern you express! You were one of the first to approach me here and made me feel very loved and welcome! You helped me understand the sence of comunity which has made me love this place.
Vaperloc: Great illustration... I agree totally.
Ray: Firstly thanks for all you contribute! Although our opinions usually differ you always manage to get me to see it your way and understand your point of view. Thank you for making me less hard headed by challenging me and my views thoroughly and most of the time in a friendly matter. Dont delete your posts/opinions!!! You are a big part of the site and I personally would like to know what you think!
Malcolm: You should write many books! I agree we all have to do our part! Thank you for being a great Mod + founder, I extend you hugs of gratitude for making home of poi a place of fun hugs and warmth. I also thank you for letting it go and letting it grow freely without any restrictions. I also thank you for your concern and for the time you spend making our board, web, and poi experience a great place to be around!
Glass: I understand your position, if you need a HOP holiday then go...! Enjoy! We will see you here again.
I would like to thank you for all you have inspired within me during the time I have known you. The thoughts they run freely now. Thanks for the first mail, thanks for the support, and finally thanks for sharing your experiences to help enlighten others. You are a star in the nights sky. Keep shining! I'm sure we will share many more moments to come.
NYC: People leave because things change. Not nesecarily because they don't like the situation they are in. I dont think it has always been like this... I think its kinda evolved in these forums! Thank you for all your moments of intelligent discussion. Like Ray you too have helped me gain perspective of varied opinions once again keeping me grounded allowing me to grow strength as an individual. Thank you!
jaidendawn: You made me have my first proper HOP cry! I am very happy that you felt the need to post this time Thanks for your beautiful considerate post! You are an angel, shine in your light! I am going to miami soon I wonder wether we can somehow meet if I get my ass going west!
flynt: I understand what you are saying, I made the original post thinking that something just had to be said before another influx of newbies arrives to liven up the site just a little bit more! I understand it will cool out I just thought it would be better talked about. Thank you for giving the moderator perspective, I really wondered what that job was like.
Pele: "What I can not ignore is this. Getting a pluthera of emails a day asking to stop someone from sending pm's because they are so nasty about protecting their own ego."
I am sorry you have had to go through an experience like this and I am impressed at your way of addressing it publicly in the forum. I never knew that this happened or that you had to sort through so much crap from people who are just complaining. Mod's should not have to go through this! Thank you Pele for all you have done for all those here. You have given us all strength and hope! I extend warm hugs to you.
flash fire: respect for backing away and letting people talk pretty much freely!
"BB's are places for community building, sharing of information and in many cases, an avenue for instant gratification. What often irks me is the latter.... I just find it mystifying that whilst there is an amazing world out there full of beautiful souls and wonderful experiences, that people crave such virtual attention. "
I am also mystified at the concept... Thank you for bringing it up! Once again a fellow HOP adds insight.
PAGE 2 wow this is going to be long...
Mike: your humor was excellent thank you for lightening an intense thread! Keep chasing your dream, if you want it enough you will have what your heart desires on day. Thanks you for being one of those lovely people who sits and thinks for us all!
Rozi:
"We are getting a bit bigger, and we have got a little bit lax about it. But the fact that we can have this discussion, says we can still sort it out"
I think you have hit the nail on the head! Once again dont worry about people leaving... We all have different needs at different times, it doesnt mean that they dont like it here or dont care.
THE UNITED CHAINS OF FIRE: although I understand what you have said in #4 I do not enjoy the same kind of gratification. I enjoy it subcontiously as all humans do yet I dont enjoy entering competitions where people just try to play with each others thoughts in order to gain attention on the board. Attention seeking is common in human nature the question could be whether we all sucumb to the temptation or not whether we can regulate and moderate ourselves to better understand each other. If you need others to help you feel better about yourself you should look inside and see how capable you REALLY are. Open up and let your light shine, I'm sure its bright!
Bender: your quotes made me feel happy and refreshed! Thank you for giving me lots of hope for a happy HOP future. You have added a different dimension to my thoughts on the topic! Thank you for all you have contributed to my thought!!!
"At a house party,
you don't have the opportunity to talk to everyone,
you don't know if everyone has heard of firetwirling yet,
you can't choose your conversations by the topic,
you can't lurk unseen when it suits you
but at HoP you can do alla that!
and it makes me explosively happy "
And finally last but by no means least C@ntus:
I felt like PMing you when I read your first post to the thread. I could not believe you thought that no one listens to you... I personally have never directly responded to your comments because I was afraid that you would make a witty remark which offended me. It is my personal issue that has nothing to do with you or anything about you... I think I was just paranoid! I do aprechiate your comments and love the utter ramblings that you post which often made my day a brighter day. For these laughs and moments I thank you. For all the attention you place on these boards and the people I thank you. I believe that your are one of the buckets of glue that helps to unite the varied nationalities, communities and finally opinions found on this site. And so I end my post and dedicate the time I have spent here to you, personaly, I hope you feel at home and I hope you realise that your opinion is valued and if you were to disapear I would not be the only one to be sad. Your light shines, it just so bright sometimes that we can get stunned!
Much love to all fellow HOP'ers reading I love you all and I love this site. I hope we can continue to be a comunity sharing love and light and helping through tough times.
Kisses + Hugs, Drome
Hello to all...
I am sitting here trying to figure out how to word all that I want to say and know I'll be here for a while...
I began this thread not because I dislike the site or anyone on it but because when I came here I found a place of sharing and also respect. To complete the lovely picture I have met many people who have inspired me to reach deeper inside myself to find the true shining light within.
I HAVE LOVED ALL MOMENTS SHARED!
In the last couple of months so many new people have joined so quickly I think some of the companionship and general posting etiquette had been lost. I understand that random posts do make the place quite lively and fun; I think thats grear. The worry was really due to several personal quables between members and increasingly seriously toned varieties of preference threads which have made this board kinda sour.
My thoughts in posting where to try and say something that was bothering me personally cause I suddenly found it hard to try and be myself somewhere where I used to feel so comfortable and happy. I also thought that many people where holding their tounges like myself because of the same or similar discomfort. Maybe its whats happened to me thats made me critical. I honestly believe this is something that needed discussion before it became a 'free for all' (no consideration) on these boards.
I dont think that HOP should be perfect or constantly happy I just ask for the same respect and consideration that every person on this board deserves for myself and mainly generaly for each and every member on this board.
This is a comunity and often in comunities its not about the self, its about the collective so when I am talking I am refering to us all including myself because I am aware that I have also played a part in whats happened; we all have.
In responce to posts since I saw the thread last...
Cassandra: Thank you for the warmth and hugs you share with all about this place and the genuine concern you express! You were one of the first to approach me here and made me feel very loved and welcome! You helped me understand the sence of comunity which has made me love this place.
Vaperloc: Great illustration... I agree totally.
Ray: Firstly thanks for all you contribute! Although our opinions usually differ you always manage to get me to see it your way and understand your point of view. Thank you for making me less hard headed by challenging me and my views thoroughly and most of the time in a friendly matter. Dont delete your posts/opinions!!! You are a big part of the site and I personally would like to know what you think!
Malcolm: You should write many books! I agree we all have to do our part! Thank you for being a great Mod + founder, I extend you hugs of gratitude for making home of poi a place of fun hugs and warmth. I also thank you for letting it go and letting it grow freely without any restrictions. I also thank you for your concern and for the time you spend making our board, web, and poi experience a great place to be around!
Glass: I understand your position, if you need a HOP holiday then go...! Enjoy! We will see you here again.
I would like to thank you for all you have inspired within me during the time I have known you. The thoughts they run freely now. Thanks for the first mail, thanks for the support, and finally thanks for sharing your experiences to help enlighten others. You are a star in the nights sky. Keep shining! I'm sure we will share many more moments to come.
NYC: People leave because things change. Not nesecarily because they don't like the situation they are in. I dont think it has always been like this... I think its kinda evolved in these forums! Thank you for all your moments of intelligent discussion. Like Ray you too have helped me gain perspective of varied opinions once again keeping me grounded allowing me to grow strength as an individual. Thank you!
jaidendawn: You made me have my first proper HOP cry! I am very happy that you felt the need to post this time Thanks for your beautiful considerate post! You are an angel, shine in your light! I am going to miami soon I wonder wether we can somehow meet if I get my ass going west!
flynt: I understand what you are saying, I made the original post thinking that something just had to be said before another influx of newbies arrives to liven up the site just a little bit more! I understand it will cool out I just thought it would be better talked about. Thank you for giving the moderator perspective, I really wondered what that job was like.
Pele: "What I can not ignore is this. Getting a pluthera of emails a day asking to stop someone from sending pm's because they are so nasty about protecting their own ego."
I am sorry you have had to go through an experience like this and I am impressed at your way of addressing it publicly in the forum. I never knew that this happened or that you had to sort through so much crap from people who are just complaining. Mod's should not have to go through this! Thank you Pele for all you have done for all those here. You have given us all strength and hope! I extend warm hugs to you.
flash fire: respect for backing away and letting people talk pretty much freely!
"BB's are places for community building, sharing of information and in many cases, an avenue for instant gratification. What often irks me is the latter.... I just find it mystifying that whilst there is an amazing world out there full of beautiful souls and wonderful experiences, that people crave such virtual attention. "
I am also mystified at the concept... Thank you for bringing it up! Once again a fellow HOP adds insight.
PAGE 2 wow this is going to be long...
Mike: your humor was excellent thank you for lightening an intense thread! Keep chasing your dream, if you want it enough you will have what your heart desires on day. Thanks you for being one of those lovely people who sits and thinks for us all!
Rozi:
"We are getting a bit bigger, and we have got a little bit lax about it. But the fact that we can have this discussion, says we can still sort it out"
I think you have hit the nail on the head! Once again dont worry about people leaving... We all have different needs at different times, it doesnt mean that they dont like it here or dont care.
THE UNITED CHAINS OF FIRE: although I understand what you have said in #4 I do not enjoy the same kind of gratification. I enjoy it subcontiously as all humans do yet I dont enjoy entering competitions where people just try to play with each others thoughts in order to gain attention on the board. Attention seeking is common in human nature the question could be whether we all sucumb to the temptation or not whether we can regulate and moderate ourselves to better understand each other. If you need others to help you feel better about yourself you should look inside and see how capable you REALLY are. Open up and let your light shine, I'm sure its bright!
Bender: your quotes made me feel happy and refreshed! Thank you for giving me lots of hope for a happy HOP future. You have added a different dimension to my thoughts on the topic! Thank you for all you have contributed to my thought!!!
"At a house party,
you don't have the opportunity to talk to everyone,
you don't know if everyone has heard of firetwirling yet,
you can't choose your conversations by the topic,
you can't lurk unseen when it suits you
but at HoP you can do alla that!
and it makes me explosively happy "
And finally last but by no means least C@ntus:
I felt like PMing you when I read your first post to the thread. I could not believe you thought that no one listens to you... I personally have never directly responded to your comments because I was afraid that you would make a witty remark which offended me. It is my personal issue that has nothing to do with you or anything about you... I think I was just paranoid! I do aprechiate your comments and love the utter ramblings that you post which often made my day a brighter day. For these laughs and moments I thank you. For all the attention you place on these boards and the people I thank you. I believe that your are one of the buckets of glue that helps to unite the varied nationalities, communities and finally opinions found on this site. And so I end my post and dedicate the time I have spent here to you, personaly, I hope you feel at home and I hope you realise that your opinion is valued and if you were to disapear I would not be the only one to be sad. Your light shines, it just so bright sometimes that we can get stunned!
Much love to all fellow HOP'ers reading I love you all and I love this site. I hope we can continue to be a comunity sharing love and light and helping through tough times.
Kisses + Hugs, Drome
JUGGLEwithyourmind!
addict
642 posts
Location: UK, London
642 posts
Location: UK, London
Posted:
I have been on HOP for quite awhile now and have seen it evolve from 200 members to 3000 members.
I have also had the pleasure of meeting and making loads of new friends due to this bulletin board. I will always be a part of this community no matter where it evolves to as it is the only self moderating bulletin board I have seen.
However I have noticed that every few months we have a clear out! As mentioned earlier we used to have a problem with too many ravers vs fire spinners. We also had problems with people reiterating old subjects over and over again. This aalways ends up in very good discussion and generally a couple of weeks later the mods and the users come up with ideas to fix it and the place grows and is improved with it.
Last time we had the introduction of a better search facility with easier to find links, an increase to the articles section to minimise posts on the same topic. Even a new warning screen (which has disappeared now) in bright yellow which warned people before they post to make sure they are not duplicating themselves.
Finally my point is:
Lets continue this discussion offer up some solutions and hopefully we can take HOP to the next step again.
For example:
Many people use this discussion board as a close to real time chat room. While people are bored at work or home they like to chat with people who they feel are friends. Hence the amount of random posts and silly threads. So although I know it has been tried before and was unsuccessful perhaps it would be good to have a java based chat facility on HOP. This would take out most of the chatting out of the bulletin board and it can be used for debates, technical knowledge and event planning.
Remember there will be parts to this bulletin board which is not everyones cup of tea. I personally do not take part in political debate as although I read and find interest in the opinions of others. I also find that they can be dangerous ground to tread on as people can take opinions too personally. I do howver fid myself posting in the more inane topics as it allows me to vent some steam whilst working. But personally the place I check most frequently is the events as I like to keep an active social life.
Everyone uses this BB for different reasons so be careful about slating parts of this BB off as many people come here specifically to use them and who are we to say these are wrong when all you have to do is ignore them.
Anyway this post is now the longest post I have ever made on HOP and it show how passionately I feel about it. So I will stop my rant now and I hope we can make HOP a place for everyone!
I have been on HOP for quite awhile now and have seen it evolve from 200 members to 3000 members.
I have also had the pleasure of meeting and making loads of new friends due to this bulletin board. I will always be a part of this community no matter where it evolves to as it is the only self moderating bulletin board I have seen.
However I have noticed that every few months we have a clear out! As mentioned earlier we used to have a problem with too many ravers vs fire spinners. We also had problems with people reiterating old subjects over and over again. This aalways ends up in very good discussion and generally a couple of weeks later the mods and the users come up with ideas to fix it and the place grows and is improved with it.
Last time we had the introduction of a better search facility with easier to find links, an increase to the articles section to minimise posts on the same topic. Even a new warning screen (which has disappeared now) in bright yellow which warned people before they post to make sure they are not duplicating themselves.
Finally my point is:
Lets continue this discussion offer up some solutions and hopefully we can take HOP to the next step again.
For example:
Many people use this discussion board as a close to real time chat room. While people are bored at work or home they like to chat with people who they feel are friends. Hence the amount of random posts and silly threads. So although I know it has been tried before and was unsuccessful perhaps it would be good to have a java based chat facility on HOP. This would take out most of the chatting out of the bulletin board and it can be used for debates, technical knowledge and event planning.
Remember there will be parts to this bulletin board which is not everyones cup of tea. I personally do not take part in political debate as although I read and find interest in the opinions of others. I also find that they can be dangerous ground to tread on as people can take opinions too personally. I do howver fid myself posting in the more inane topics as it allows me to vent some steam whilst working. But personally the place I check most frequently is the events as I like to keep an active social life.
Everyone uses this BB for different reasons so be careful about slating parts of this BB off as many people come here specifically to use them and who are we to say these are wrong when all you have to do is ignore them.
Anyway this post is now the longest post I have ever made on HOP and it show how passionately I feel about it. So I will stop my rant now and I hope we can make HOP a place for everyone!
'Happiness is liking peeing on yourself. Everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth.'
'If *I* had a hammer, there'd be no more folk singers.'
GOLD Member
HOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
HOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Posted:
But Drome, we've forgot someone important: Drome!
The same wonderful Drome who went to the trouble of going through this entire list of posts and responding to each and every poster individually. The same fantastic Drome who always finds something nice to say about EVERYONE?
One of the things that makes you a wonderful person is that you try so hard. You're always thinking of how others feel and you work to make others feel good in whatever way you can. I really admire that, but what's more...I appreciate it. You made me smile today.
Look, with 3,000 people aboard HOP, and with the vast range of personalities that are fire performers, we're going to have our rough spots, our spats, and our days when we think it's all falling apart.
But then we can all pull together to raise money for Pele when she got hurt, to start professional performance organizations, to meet people from the other side of the world, to bring entire communities of twirlers from all over the world together...it's amazing what we little, insiginficant individuals have managed to do by working together, isn't it?
I don't know very much about most things, but I think I know a thing or two about health, and this online community is one of the healthiest I've ever seen.
So I have to say that HOP has brought a bunch of really amazing people into my life, even if just on a computer screen. No matter what goes wrong, nothing can ever take the positive experiences I've had on this site away from me.
quote:Awww...
Originally posted by dromepixie:
Mike: your humor was excellent thank you for lightening an intense thread! Keep chasing your dream, if you want it enough you will have what your heart desires on day. Thanks you for being one of those lovely people who sits and thinks for us all!
But Drome, we've forgot someone important: Drome!
The same wonderful Drome who went to the trouble of going through this entire list of posts and responding to each and every poster individually. The same fantastic Drome who always finds something nice to say about EVERYONE?
One of the things that makes you a wonderful person is that you try so hard. You're always thinking of how others feel and you work to make others feel good in whatever way you can. I really admire that, but what's more...I appreciate it. You made me smile today.
Look, with 3,000 people aboard HOP, and with the vast range of personalities that are fire performers, we're going to have our rough spots, our spats, and our days when we think it's all falling apart.
But then we can all pull together to raise money for Pele when she got hurt, to start professional performance organizations, to meet people from the other side of the world, to bring entire communities of twirlers from all over the world together...it's amazing what we little, insiginficant individuals have managed to do by working together, isn't it?
I don't know very much about most things, but I think I know a thing or two about health, and this online community is one of the healthiest I've ever seen.
So I have to say that HOP has brought a bunch of really amazing people into my life, even if just on a computer screen. No matter what goes wrong, nothing can ever take the positive experiences I've had on this site away from me.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
addict
642 posts
Location: UK, London
642 posts
Location: UK, London
Posted:
Damn it I made some really good points me thinks which could quite happily sit in this thread which I posted in 'Censored?'
just one sec and I will add them here.
.....
a bit longer....
there found it!
Damn it I made some really good points me thinks which could quite happily sit in this thread which I posted in 'Censored?'
just one sec and I will add them here.
.....
a bit longer....
there found it!
quote:I hope noone minds the double post but I hope these comments help here as well.
I do agree that it would be good to vent some things that are on our minds, however to a newbie who has just entered HOP may have been frightened off by such replies. Imagine you were a newbie and you saw that kind of reaction to posts, would you be so keen to post yourself or join in such a community.
I know this is on another thread but think before you type and try to remember your audience. This is a PUBLIC forum and if we want to create a nice environment for everyone to join we may have to bite our tongues occasionally.
Please read the "what is the point?" thread. That is a good place to vent some things but for all those who do, try to keep your arguments well thought out because in such an environment it is too easy to put too much emotion into a post.
To the point as I am going off topic. This should not be a topic about censorship but one of respect to others. I am not asking people to censor there views but try to keep their emotions in check occasionally as it is easy to regret what you say in anger and although we have the power to edit our posts someone may have already read it before you make your changes. This is not just in reference to the thread we are talking about but often in political debate which occasionally gets personal, and also in social threads where one-up manship is starting to take hold.
A piece of advice for everyone in HOP world and in real life. If you feel yourself getting emotional (angry or otherwise) take a deep breath count to three and decide if what you were about to say is actually what you mean. I personally catch myself many times when I am about to say something in the heat of the moment and I take a brief second to stop and think and gather my thoughts.
HOP is getting steamy someone open a window!!!
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Pozee, how could I forget? That thread marked the point where i truly felt I belong and was accepted here.
I can't remember what topic it started off as. But I can remember the troll who started it
Mistress Dromepixie, check your PMs.
Pozee, how could I forget? That thread marked the point where i truly felt I belong and was accepted here.
I can't remember what topic it started off as. But I can remember the troll who started it
Mistress Dromepixie, check your PMs.
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I dont want to change anyone but if someone has learned how to see things from a diffictult perspective then I will be happy in that.
I dont want to change anyone but if someone has learned how to see things from a diffictult perspective then I will be happy in that.
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(* grin *) C@ntus, my fire-bro across a mere ocean & dialect, I for one very care much for everything you say, and so have especially sought your word on things we both find very important, important beyond, dare i say, Home of Poi!
when i say "you" from here on, i mean C@ntus especially right NOW, and at all times, EVERYONE ELSE at Home of Poi. . .and beyond.
i've tried as hard as i can to make it explicit that i, for one, don't give a damn where & how you're educated, or how your mind works, either to rate you or to better you or suck up to you.
i NEVER debate any more, as in dueling ideas or opinions.
i'm only & always interested in mutually welcoming conversations where we jump into something together & EXPLORE it together in the overall spirits of ADVENTURE, CURIOSITY, FUN, FRIENDSHIP, LEARNING (not teaching for its own sake!), HUMOR, BUILDING, BEAUTY, & GROWTH.
ALL AT ONCE.
i'm not interested in changing your mind by replacing one idea with another.
i'm interested in ADDING to your perceptions, experiences, & what turns you on, your ADDING to mine, & both adding to both.
& while we're about it, since for me all life is about expression, expansion, & fulfillment, don't ever fetter yourself for me. don't hold back on what you know, feel, wonder, what you can do (that's like intentionally doing bad butteflies!), except where you might be restraining something that. . . and this is HARD to judge for all of us always. . .hurts someone more than it helps. hard because some things may, frankly, help more in long runs than short, and i'm not talking about rudeness, which i don't condone.
if you can transform rivalry into cooperative exploration, EVERYONE ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE TABLE in the project, you're a teacher from whom i must study.
and someone said (sorry not to check whom) regional gangs or something? i hope i am doing my part to reach out to groups who don't usually communicate with mine, extend constant welcome, and receive theirs when its returned. props to all who do so. many of us seem to. might we all ask when we last extended ourselves to those with whom we are not in good communion in the hearth, and those of us who regularly venture wide, would a special effort be to reach even further?
it's more & more common for people to say (sorry, don't remember last guru quoted to me on this), "hey, i'm not a role-model." you may not intentionally be, others may not have a right to assume it's your role. however, it's like other ordinary facts. we are all examples & influences to all. thank goodness, it's our big chance this lifetime, at least, to be who we are.
do it beautifully, in all the shades which are her colors.
with respect, gratitude, & affection to all,
~ Mike
[ 02 October 2002, 21:18: Message edited by: FireMike ]
quote:on careful re-reading of C@ntus' post, and with my own paranoia in the tension, as UCOF & others have noted, here, i decided to ask something because it may be a public good.
Originally posted by C@ntus:
[. . .]I'm sick of all the back biting and big headed I'm better than you cos I'm more educated crap that's on these boards these days and shan't be visiting very much after this week.
I shall be sad to see it go but, it seems, it's inevitable as no one actually seems to care on jot for anything I say anymore.
(* grin *) C@ntus, my fire-bro across a mere ocean & dialect, I for one very care much for everything you say, and so have especially sought your word on things we both find very important, important beyond, dare i say, Home of Poi!
when i say "you" from here on, i mean C@ntus especially right NOW, and at all times, EVERYONE ELSE at Home of Poi. . .and beyond.
i've tried as hard as i can to make it explicit that i, for one, don't give a damn where & how you're educated, or how your mind works, either to rate you or to better you or suck up to you.
i NEVER debate any more, as in dueling ideas or opinions.
i'm only & always interested in mutually welcoming conversations where we jump into something together & EXPLORE it together in the overall spirits of ADVENTURE, CURIOSITY, FUN, FRIENDSHIP, LEARNING (not teaching for its own sake!), HUMOR, BUILDING, BEAUTY, & GROWTH.
ALL AT ONCE.
i'm not interested in changing your mind by replacing one idea with another.
i'm interested in ADDING to your perceptions, experiences, & what turns you on, your ADDING to mine, & both adding to both.
& while we're about it, since for me all life is about expression, expansion, & fulfillment, don't ever fetter yourself for me. don't hold back on what you know, feel, wonder, what you can do (that's like intentionally doing bad butteflies!), except where you might be restraining something that. . . and this is HARD to judge for all of us always. . .hurts someone more than it helps. hard because some things may, frankly, help more in long runs than short, and i'm not talking about rudeness, which i don't condone.
if you can transform rivalry into cooperative exploration, EVERYONE ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE TABLE in the project, you're a teacher from whom i must study.
and someone said (sorry not to check whom) regional gangs or something? i hope i am doing my part to reach out to groups who don't usually communicate with mine, extend constant welcome, and receive theirs when its returned. props to all who do so. many of us seem to. might we all ask when we last extended ourselves to those with whom we are not in good communion in the hearth, and those of us who regularly venture wide, would a special effort be to reach even further?
it's more & more common for people to say (sorry, don't remember last guru quoted to me on this), "hey, i'm not a role-model." you may not intentionally be, others may not have a right to assume it's your role. however, it's like other ordinary facts. we are all examples & influences to all. thank goodness, it's our big chance this lifetime, at least, to be who we are.
do it beautifully, in all the shades which are her colors.
with respect, gratitude, & affection to all,
~ Mike
[ 02 October 2002, 21:18: Message edited by: FireMike ]
molten cheers,
~ FireMike
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quote:Was this meant as rude as it sounded? I am sorry I didnt see this sooner, but man that just sounds friggin bad!
Thank you for giving the moderator perspective, I really wondered what that job was like.
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Please insert a humourous and witty retort of your own devising here.
Please insert a humourous and witty retort of your own devising here.
Meh
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ooh four thousand, three hundred and ten.
ooh four thousand, three hundred and ten.
Meh
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Bah! big deal page me when you get 4321 posts, then I might just might be impressed
Bah! big deal page me when you get 4321 posts, then I might just might be impressed
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and your pager number would be . . . ?
and your pager number would be . . . ?
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312.555.6661
why do you ask?
312.555.6661
why do you ask?
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