"but have you considered there is more to life than your eyelids?"
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"but have you considered there is more to life than your eyelids?"
jointly owned by Fire_Spinning_Angel and Blu_Valley
Written by: violentlytame
Soldier’s Creed—Warrior Ethos
I am an American Soldier.
I am a Warrior and a member of a team. I serve the people of the United States and live the Army Values.
I will always place the mission first.
I will never accept defeat.
I will never quit.
I will never leave a fallen comrade.
I am disciplined, physically and mentally tough, trained, and proficient in my warrior tasks and drills.
I always maintain my arms, my equipment, and myself.
I am an expert and I am a professional.
I stand ready to deploy, engage, and destroy the enemies of the United States of America in close combat.
I am a guardian of freedom and the American way of life.
I am an American Soldier.
"but have you considered there is more to life than your eyelids?"
jointly owned by Fire_Spinning_Angel and Blu_Valley
i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey
Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...
Written by: Patriarch917
Nah. If there were no teams it would change from "US vs. Them" to "Me vs Everyone." Teams serve to unite us.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
Written by: Patriarch917
There seem to be three possibilities:
1. Allegiance to yourself, to the exclusion of all others (me vs everyone).
2. Allegiance to some, to the exclusion of others (team vs team)
3. Allegiance to all, to the exclusion of none (all).
I think its fair to guess that the elimination of teams (from the family all the way up to the U.N.) is as likely to lead to individualism as it is to collectivism. Knowing humanity, we don’t seem likely to simply form a united humanity once teams are abolished.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
Written by: Patriarch
There seem to be three possibilities:
1. Allegiance to yourself, to the exclusion of all others (me vs everyone).
2. Allegiance to some, to the exclusion of others (team vs team)
3. Allegiance to all, to the exclusion of none (all).
Written by: Patriarch
At best, you could hope for a totalitarian utopia of like minded people forming one colossal team...
After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
Written by: SethisWritten by: Patriarch
At best, you could hope for a totalitarian utopia of like minded people forming one colossal team...
No, at best you could have a utopia of individuals who joined other groups of individuals to explore a mutual interest, and who then left that group after they had explored it to their satisfaction and then moved onto another group to explore another of their interests.
Written by: Patriarch917
You seem to prefer something like “Loyalty to X” or “Serving X,” but both of these concepts are contained in the word "allegiance."
Written by: Patriarch917
I can understand having differences over the word “capitalism” but this seems almost absurd.
Written by: Patriarch917
Are you seriously suggesting that the phrase “Allegiance to yourself” conveys nothing meaningful to your mind?
Written by: Patriarch917
You say there are other possibilities, but you have merely listed my three possibilities using the word “serving” instead of “allegiance.”
Written by: Patriarch917Written by: Sethis
No, at best you could have a utopia of individuals who joined other groups of individuals to explore a mutual interest, and who then left that group after they had explored it to their satisfaction and then moved onto another group to explore another of their interests.
It was my understanding that a good word to describe “individuals who joined other groups of individuals to explore a mutual interest” Would be the word “team.”
Written by: Patriarch917
Your response seems to be “we could have a bunch of teams, and people shift back and forth between them.”
Written by: Patriarch917
If you want inferential evidence, I would point first to the fact that humans are willing to disagree over such things as the meaning of the word “allegiance” and thus seem unlikely to be able to align their interests to form a likeminded collective (“make humanity one” as Mr Majestik put it).
If the point is to make people cease to identify with any “team” smaller than “everyone,” it would seem that you could accomplish this in several ways. We could either:
1. Get everyone to disagree with everyone... Thus, we could have a humanity united in their mutual disagreement with everyone.
After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
Written by: SethisWritten by: Patriarch917
You seem to prefer something like “Loyalty to X” or “Serving X,” but both of these concepts are contained in the word "allegiance."
I know. That's what I said. Allegiance implies an external authority who you swear an oath to serve. Have you sworn an oath to serve yourself? I prefer the use of the word "serve" because it is a temporary thing, as I believe all "teams" should be.
Written by: SethisWritten by: Patriarch917Who mentioned capitalism? What has it got to do with anything?
I can understand having differences over the word “capitalism” but this seems almost absurd.
Written by: SethisWritten by: Patriarch917
Are you seriously suggesting that the phrase “Allegiance to yourself” conveys nothing meaningful to your mind?
It conveys a bad choice of words... That's why I picked up on it...
Written by: SethisWritten by: Patriarch917
You say there are other possibilities, but you have merely listed my three possibilities using the word “serving” instead of “allegiance.”
No, I haven't. Read it again. I use the word SOMETIMES which was missing in your original statement.
Written by: SethisWritten by: Patriarch917Written by: Sethis
No, at best you could have a utopia of individuals who joined other groups of individuals to explore a mutual interest, and who then left that group after they had explored it to their satisfaction and then moved onto another group to explore another of their interests.
It was my understanding that a good word to describe “individuals who joined other groups of individuals to explore a mutual interest” would be the word “team.”
I know. I didn't say that these groups of people wouldn't be called teams, I avoided the use of the word so as not to confuse two issues.
Written by: SethisWritten by: Patriarch917
Your response seems to be “we could have a bunch of teams, and people shift back and forth between them.”
Yes. Exactly.
Written by: Sethis
There is no inherent problem with teams provided that you remember the team is temporary, and that there is more to the worl and more people. It is when you join a team permenantly (i.e. swearing allegiance) and accept the team as being right in all things then teams become bad.
Written by: SethisWritten by: Patriarch917
If you want inferential evidence, I would point first to the fact that humans are willing to disagree over such things as the meaning of the word “allegiance” and thus seem unlikely to be able to align their interests to form a likeminded collective (“make humanity one” as Mr Majestik put it).
If the point is to make people cease to identify with any “team” smaller than “everyone,” it would seem that you could accomplish this in several ways. We could either:
1. Get everyone to disagree with everyone... Thus, we could have a humanity united in their mutual disagreement with everyone.
You manage to miss the point with amazing accuracy. Just because you disagree with someone does not mean that you cannot form a team with them.
Written by: Patriarch917
You seem to be asking me for evidence that the elimination of “teams” would lead some people to choose individualism rather than to join humanity as one massive team. If you want true experimental evidence, we would have to actually do it. If you want inferential evidence, I would point first to the fact that humans are willing to disagree over such things as the meaning of the word “allegiance” and thus seem unlikely to be able to align their interests to form a likeminded collective ....
Written by: Patriarch917
Nah. If there were no teams it would change from "US vs. Them" to "Me vs Everyone." Teams serve to unite us.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
Written by: Patriarch917
Nah. If there were no teams it would change from "US vs. Them" to "Me vs Everyone." Teams serve to unite us.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
Written by: Patriarch
At best, you could hope for a totalitarian utopia of like minded people forming one colossal team, and hope that all the people who disagree with the collective also disagree with each other so as not to form their own team. Thus, the collective would only have to deal with individual
dissenters that were not cooperating.
After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
Written by: Sethis
My point was that allegiance was a bad choice of word because it implied a permanent oath of service to a socially superior external authority.
Written by: Sethis
Explain to me the difference (in casual conversation) of these two statements:
"There are 3 possibilities."
"There are only 3 possibilities."
Both indicate to me the same thing, that the person speaking thinks that there are 3 possibilities, no more, no less. The addition of "Only" is superfluous. If you in fact acknowledged that there were more possibilities in your original post, then please try harder in future to make that clear e.g. "I can think of three possibilities" or "I suggest that there are three possibilities".
Written by: Sethis
Furthermore, you continue to use wildly unrealistic examples to support your points.
Written by: Sethis
If what you want to demonstrate is that people can work together despite disagreeing over things then:
1. Why did you suggest otherwise earlier?Written by: Patriarch
At best, you could hope for a totalitarian utopia of like minded people forming one colossal team, and hope that all the people who disagree with the collective also disagree with each other so as not to form their own team. Thus, the collective would only have to deal with individual dissenters that were not cooperating.
I've looked through this post again and again and can find nothing to suggest that you think co-operation with non-team members is viable. (Which is what you're saying now)
Written by: Sethis
2. Instead of "If the world was about to be destroyed..." then why not just say something like: "If someone didn't like another person but they worked together temporarily because it was a two-person job that needed doing". That, I think, is somewhat more useful for demonstrating the point you were trying to make.