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201 posts
Location: Southampton, England
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I'm getting so sick of coming across people who think that a dog is a Part time friend, fashion accessory, a weapon or a toy to be played with just when THEY feel like it...Or in this case a piece of sickening art https://www.hoax-slayer.com/starving-dog-art.shtml https://elperritovive.blogspot.com/ (Please note this was reported a hoax, although there is much evidence to suggest otherwise! I just find it unbelievable that not one person tried to free the dog, whether it was a hoax or not!!)
The amount of people who just get a dog and don't have the first clue about how to train them or how to look after them...so many don't even give a [censored]!!
I'm currently spending time with a Lurcher who's owner is out all hours of the day. This was brought to my attention when my friend complained her next door neighbours dog was whining and barking and that he was left alone for hours. On seeing the garden it became apparent that the dog is left pretty much to fend for himself. He'd chewed the garden gazebo to bits, he had no water (on a very hot day), No decent toys, there's [censored] everywhere and the fences are no match for a jack russell, let alone a growing lurcher. The back door is left open so he can come and go...and he does have food, which is good, although this food is left in its bag so he just helps himself. My friend said that the owner was out pretty much all the time, so I decided to have a word. I found out that the owner is currently having problems with life...split up with partner, has a child etc, so that's fair enough. Many ppl find themselves in situations which can't be helped, it's how we deal with them. Anyway, I offered to help out. I'm in most of the time so I have plenty of time to spend with a dog...and I offered to help by walking him, which his owner took me up on. His owner also said that they are trying to get another job so that more time can be spent with the dog which I thought was great...Efforts being made, there is concern there! That was nearly 2 weeks ago now and I've been spending everyday with the dog, taking him for walks, training him as best I can and making sure he's comfortable. I got him a few new toys and a proper collar for his breed and my friend says he's happier since I've been going round...he's a different dog. It's come to my attention tho that his owner doesn't seem to want to make the effort, I may be wrong. The garden got so messy with dog poo that I mentioned it to his owner and was told that 'the poo was all cleaned up the day before...but now it's all back again?' There is no way that one small dog can produce all that [censored] in one day...and in exactly the same spots?
Yeah right!! The owner must think I was born yesterday...
I've asked the owner what they're going to do with the dog and they did mention they would get rid of him, but there's a definate reluctance there. As far as I can make out, the only reason the dog is being kept is because his owner gets lonely at night time...But what about the dog getting lonely, what about his needs? It just makes me so sad. When the owner does get time off work, he's always going out...
I totally understand the owner is having problems, that's why I'm reluctant to involve anyone else. I want to give the owner a chance to sort it out. The dog is in no major danger at present, and with me seeing him, he's getting the attention he needs and I'm making him comfortable even if I have to pick the [censored] up myself!!
I've said that we will take on the dog, I'm more than happy to give him a good home, he's a lovely lil chap who's willing to please and he has a great temperament...if a lil boisterous (he's only 8months so that's to be expected!)
But how long do I stay involved? The last thing I want is for the owner to become reliant on me being there, I'm happy to do it for the dogs sake, but he's not my dog, and he's not my responsibilty But if I don't go around, he'll be left on his own again and I can hear him whining from my house. I think I'll leave it a couple of weeks and see how things develop...give the owner a chance. The dog now spends quite a bit of time in my house so the time he spends alone has been lowered greatly...although it breaks my heart when I take him back (I think part of that is that I've become very attached to him) Am I doing the right thing? Some advice would be appreciated...
I just get so upset when I see dogs neglected like that. It's probably a good thing there are not more of them round here, I'd have a house full
I'm getting so sick of coming across people who think that a dog is a Part time friend, fashion accessory, a weapon or a toy to be played with just when THEY feel like it...Or in this case a piece of sickening art https://www.hoax-slayer.com/starving-dog-art.shtml https://elperritovive.blogspot.com/ (Please note this was reported a hoax, although there is much evidence to suggest otherwise! I just find it unbelievable that not one person tried to free the dog, whether it was a hoax or not!!)
The amount of people who just get a dog and don't have the first clue about how to train them or how to look after them...so many don't even give a [censored]!!
I'm currently spending time with a Lurcher who's owner is out all hours of the day. This was brought to my attention when my friend complained her next door neighbours dog was whining and barking and that he was left alone for hours. On seeing the garden it became apparent that the dog is left pretty much to fend for himself. He'd chewed the garden gazebo to bits, he had no water (on a very hot day), No decent toys, there's [censored] everywhere and the fences are no match for a jack russell, let alone a growing lurcher. The back door is left open so he can come and go...and he does have food, which is good, although this food is left in its bag so he just helps himself. My friend said that the owner was out pretty much all the time, so I decided to have a word. I found out that the owner is currently having problems with life...split up with partner, has a child etc, so that's fair enough. Many ppl find themselves in situations which can't be helped, it's how we deal with them. Anyway, I offered to help out. I'm in most of the time so I have plenty of time to spend with a dog...and I offered to help by walking him, which his owner took me up on. His owner also said that they are trying to get another job so that more time can be spent with the dog which I thought was great...Efforts being made, there is concern there! That was nearly 2 weeks ago now and I've been spending everyday with the dog, taking him for walks, training him as best I can and making sure he's comfortable. I got him a few new toys and a proper collar for his breed and my friend says he's happier since I've been going round...he's a different dog. It's come to my attention tho that his owner doesn't seem to want to make the effort, I may be wrong. The garden got so messy with dog poo that I mentioned it to his owner and was told that 'the poo was all cleaned up the day before...but now it's all back again?' There is no way that one small dog can produce all that [censored] in one day...and in exactly the same spots?
Yeah right!! The owner must think I was born yesterday...I've asked the owner what they're going to do with the dog and they did mention they would get rid of him, but there's a definate reluctance there. As far as I can make out, the only reason the dog is being kept is because his owner gets lonely at night time...But what about the dog getting lonely, what about his needs? It just makes me so sad. When the owner does get time off work, he's always going out...
I totally understand the owner is having problems, that's why I'm reluctant to involve anyone else. I want to give the owner a chance to sort it out. The dog is in no major danger at present, and with me seeing him, he's getting the attention he needs and I'm making him comfortable even if I have to pick the [censored] up myself!!
I've said that we will take on the dog, I'm more than happy to give him a good home, he's a lovely lil chap who's willing to please and he has a great temperament...if a lil boisterous (he's only 8months so that's to be expected!)
But how long do I stay involved? The last thing I want is for the owner to become reliant on me being there, I'm happy to do it for the dogs sake, but he's not my dog, and he's not my responsibilty
But if I don't go around, he'll be left on his own again and I can hear him whining from my house. I think I'll leave it a couple of weeks and see how things develop...give the owner a chance. The dog now spends quite a bit of time in my house so the time he spends alone has been lowered greatly...although it breaks my heart when I take him back (I think part of that is that I've become very attached to him) Am I doing the right thing? Some advice would be appreciated...I just get so upset when I see dogs neglected like that. It's probably a good thing there are not more of them round here, I'd have a house full
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I was pretty sure that whole story was leading up to you asking to keep the dog and being shot down.. So.. Why haven't you asked to just adopt the dog outright?
I was pretty sure that whole story was leading up to you asking to keep the dog and being shot down.. So.. Why haven't you asked to just adopt the dog outright?
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*Green Spirit*
201 posts
Location: Southampton, England
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Location: Southampton, England
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It's been made clear how I feel, The owner knows I want the dog and that I can give him a good home as I've told him that. It's whether or not he's willing to hand him over and admit he can't look after him. He keeps saying he can't look after him but when faced with the possibility of letting him go...he keeps skirting around it and saying he'll sort it out. It'll be great if he does, He just doesn't appear to be making a big enough effort...I dunno, maybe I just expect too much. The fact remains that he is out of the house 12-15 hours a day, whether he's working or not, the Dog is alone all this time...unless I go round.
It's been made clear how I feel, The owner knows I want the dog and that I can give him a good home as I've told him that. It's whether or not he's willing to hand him over and admit he can't look after him. He keeps saying he can't look after him but when faced with the possibility of letting him go...he keeps skirting around it and saying he'll sort it out. It'll be great if he does, He just doesn't appear to be making a big enough effort...I dunno, maybe I just expect too much. The fact remains that he is out of the house 12-15 hours a day, whether he's working or not, the Dog is alone all this time...unless I go round.
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929 posts
Location: Oregon, USA
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Location: Oregon, USA
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Just ask him outright if you can keep it, and then if/when he gets things sorted out you can figure something out. It sounds like it's best for everyone involved..
Just ask him outright if you can keep it, and then if/when he gets things sorted out you can figure something out. It sounds like it's best for everyone involved..
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201 posts
Location: Southampton, England
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Location: Southampton, England
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But that's the point...I have. I suppose I'll just have to wait and see what happens. The dog is growing very attached to me and vice versa. If a week or so down the line I feel that he's really not serious about what's best for the dog then I'm gonna have to consider calling someone in, which I really don't wanna do but if it's necessary then I'll have to. At the minute I feel I'm being relied on by being there...and if that's keeping him from taking the responsibility himself, then I'll have to step away and let the authorities take charge if need be. I hope it doesn't come to that. The RSPCA (Do you have them in the states?) They're our Animal police and they won't take the animal unless they feel it's in serious danger or neglect, but what they will do is issue him a warning which should shake him up enough to sort it out. If not, then they'll take the dog and find it a good home
Thanx for your thoughts on this. Do you have any animals?
But that's the point...I have. I suppose I'll just have to wait and see what happens. The dog is growing very attached to me and vice versa. If a week or so down the line I feel that he's really not serious about what's best for the dog then I'm gonna have to consider calling someone in, which I really don't wanna do but if it's necessary then I'll have to. At the minute I feel I'm being relied on by being there...and if that's keeping him from taking the responsibility himself, then I'll have to step away and let the authorities take charge if need be. I hope it doesn't come to that. The RSPCA (Do you have them in the states?) They're our Animal police and they won't take the animal unless they feel it's in serious danger or neglect, but what they will do is issue him a warning which should shake him up enough to sort it out. If not, then they'll take the dog and find it a good home
Thanx for your thoughts on this. Do you have any animals?
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Location: In a test pit, Mackay, Australia
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Location: In a test pit, Mackay, Australia
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There's a huge problem with latchkey dogs around here; people get them then just let them wander around all day, not locked up, not looked over, it drives me insane especially as all of them seem intent on voiding their bowels in my front yard.
One of the major factors is pet shops; I believe buying puppies and kittens in shops was banned a few years ago in the UK, they haven't caught up here yet and the cute little puppy grows into a big dog which isn't what little Johnny wants, so it just wanders around all day.
I really want to buy an acreage somewhere to get away from the howling and barking at night of these poor animals.
There's a huge problem with latchkey dogs around here; people get them then just let them wander around all day, not locked up, not looked over, it drives me insane especially as all of them seem intent on voiding their bowels in my front yard.
One of the major factors is pet shops; I believe buying puppies and kittens in shops was banned a few years ago in the UK, they haven't caught up here yet and the cute little puppy grows into a big dog which isn't what little Johnny wants, so it just wanders around all day.
I really want to buy an acreage somewhere to get away from the howling and barking at night of these poor animals.
There is a slight possibility that I am not actually right all of the time.
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Location: Oregon, USA
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Location: Oregon, USA
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I'm an animal lover, but I don't have any at the moment.
You're kind of in an awkward position right now. and I don't mean to make your it worse but I think there are some things you need to think about before you report him to the police, you may need to tread lightly
Like you said, they're probably not going to *take* the dog, you've been taking care of it afterall, so it's getting the care it needs. Animal neglect is generally defined by "intentionally, knowingly, recklessly, or with criminal negligence failing to provide minimum care for an animal in such persons custody or control."
Not only that, but there is the chance that it won't act as a "wake up call" but will only make the guy angry. Since you're probably the only person to complain about the animal to him, it won't take long to figure out who reported him, even if they refuse to tell them. I don't know this guy at all, so you'll have to judge what his potential reaction to that will be.
My suggestion would be to just try and reason with him, maybe even offer to buy it so that you actually own the dog. He takes horrible care of his pet, but it doesn't really sound like he's doing anything criminal, so it'll be hard to get the police to take the dog
I'm an animal lover, but I don't have any at the moment.
You're kind of in an awkward position right now. and I don't mean to make your it worse but I think there are some things you need to think about before you report him to the police, you may need to tread lightly
Like you said, they're probably not going to *take* the dog, you've been taking care of it afterall, so it's getting the care it needs. Animal neglect is generally defined by "intentionally, knowingly, recklessly, or with criminal negligence failing to provide minimum care for an animal in such persons custody or control."
Not only that, but there is the chance that it won't act as a "wake up call" but will only make the guy angry. Since you're probably the only person to complain about the animal to him, it won't take long to figure out who reported him, even if they refuse to tell them. I don't know this guy at all, so you'll have to judge what his potential reaction to that will be.
My suggestion would be to just try and reason with him, maybe even offer to buy it so that you actually own the dog. He takes horrible care of his pet, but it doesn't really sound like he's doing anything criminal, so it'll be hard to get the police to take the dog
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Howling and barking at night is odd.. aren't their 'loving owners' back from work by then? There's a couple of particularly noisome dog prisoners near my place that I am in the process of reporting/complaining about. If they are out on the street though,I'm surprised the council isn't picking up on them/picking them up, Eera. Bris city council is pretty good on the barking/abandoned/roaming dogs issue. One side is the sad state of the doggies'emotional wellbeing but the other is the filth and nuisance they are, plus danger depending on the breed/pack size. It's a pain but could try catching/tying/calling council for any really in your face/yard ones. I've done it a few times, for the ones that didn;t seem to aggressive/dangerous. There's quite a few dingo/ crosses not far from here.
Howling and barking at night is odd.. aren't their 'loving owners' back from work by then? There's a couple of particularly noisome dog prisoners near my place that I am in the process of reporting/complaining about. If they are out on the street though,I'm surprised the council isn't picking up on them/picking them up, Eera. Bris city council is pretty good on the barking/abandoned/roaming dogs issue. One side is the sad state of the doggies'emotional wellbeing but the other is the filth and nuisance they are, plus danger depending on the breed/pack size. It's a pain but could try catching/tying/calling council for any really in your face/yard ones. I've done it a few times, for the ones that didn;t seem to aggressive/dangerous. There's quite a few dingo/ crosses not far from here.
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Location: Southampton, England
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Location: Southampton, England
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Eera - As far as I know, it's been banned in this country for a very long time, either that or I've just never seen one in a petshop. I know that it's definitely a no no now. We went to a pet shop the other day and my son asked me where the dogs were, so he thought they were sold in the shops...bless him. No, nowadays the top breeds are either sold by reputable breeders, puppy farms or irresponsible individuals who fancy making a pound or two. Obviously there are the accidents too, dogs who escape and fancy a bit of the other lol, or strays...which I have to say we don't have that much of down here. I recently went to Tenerife and was disgusted at the amount of stray dogs. Generally in the uk if a dog is seen out, it's not long before it's rescued.
Lurch - I did think about offering money...may be a good idea. Calling the RSPCA would be very much a last resort. He's a pretty nice guy, easy to talk to in that respect...but he is breaking the law as far as animal welfare goes. There was a new Animal welfare bill brought in last year in this country, and he's breaking all of the requirements for keeping a pet. I'm not one to just hand ppl over by any means, but if after I've tried again and again, then I will have no choice. He has neighbours who have complained about the dog so there would be no evidence to suggest it would be me, it could be any number of ppl...to be honest though, if it did come to me doing it...I'd probably be totally honest with him. I don't think it will come to it. He's made some improvement since I last posted and it looks like he's seriously thinking about Obedience classes which will help greatly and means they get some time together and he gets some much needed advice. My Fiance talks to him too and they get on well, needless to say that Daniel (My man) is about 4 times the size of the owner and by no means a pushover lol, so even if he did get nasty, which I really can't see happening...Dan won't take any [censored]!! Saying that, it is best to tread carefully in these situations, because you never know...Especially with knife and gun crime on a serious increase in this country at the minute!!
I will keep you updated as to how things go. I've not seen Scamp (that's the dog by the way) all weekend as I wanted to give the owner a chance to spend some time with him and he's off at weekends. But I'll be heading round there later...I've missed the lil rascal
Eera - As far as I know, it's been banned in this country for a very long time, either that or I've just never seen one in a petshop. I know that it's definitely a no no now. We went to a pet shop the other day and my son asked me where the dogs were, so he thought they were sold in the shops...bless him. No, nowadays the top breeds are either sold by reputable breeders, puppy farms or irresponsible individuals who fancy making a pound or two. Obviously there are the accidents too, dogs who escape and fancy a bit of the other lol, or strays...which I have to say we don't have that much of down here. I recently went to Tenerife and was disgusted at the amount of stray dogs. Generally in the uk if a dog is seen out, it's not long before it's rescued.
Lurch - I did think about offering money...may be a good idea. Calling the RSPCA would be very much a last resort. He's a pretty nice guy, easy to talk to in that respect...but he is breaking the law as far as animal welfare goes. There was a new Animal welfare bill brought in last year in this country, and he's breaking all of the requirements for keeping a pet. I'm not one to just hand ppl over by any means, but if after I've tried again and again, then I will have no choice. He has neighbours who have complained about the dog so there would be no evidence to suggest it would be me, it could be any number of ppl...to be honest though, if it did come to me doing it...I'd probably be totally honest with him. I don't think it will come to it. He's made some improvement since I last posted and it looks like he's seriously thinking about Obedience classes which will help greatly and means they get some time together and he gets some much needed advice. My Fiance talks to him too and they get on well, needless to say that Daniel (My man) is about 4 times the size of the owner and by no means a pushover lol, so even if he did get nasty, which I really can't see happening...Dan won't take any [censored]!! Saying that, it is best to tread carefully in these situations, because you never know...Especially with knife and gun crime on a serious increase in this country at the minute!!
I will keep you updated as to how things go. I've not seen Scamp (that's the dog by the way) all weekend as I wanted to give the owner a chance to spend some time with him and he's off at weekends. But I'll be heading round there later...I've missed the lil rascal
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201 posts
Location: Southampton, England
201 posts
Location: Southampton, England
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Just an update.
It seems that my efforts have paid off. The owner is taking Scamp out more and he's talking about training and making him more comfortable...so, sticking my nose in was a good thing (for once...lol).
I'm happy with this result. I would have loved to have kept Scamp but he's staying where he's used to, and he's happy so that's great. Things have worked out well, we have little money at the moment so taking on a dog would have been tough, not to mention a two week vacation coming up, so that would have meant leaving him with a friend, altho not a huge problem, I'd rather be taking him. Flying him to Greece would have been a problem tho. We would have coped because he would be one of the family. I hope that now things will be ok there, I'm keeping in touch but have spaced myself because I think that's for the best.
Well, I shall go back to waiting for the right time to get a puppy lol
Thanx guys
Just an update.
It seems that my efforts have paid off. The owner is taking Scamp out more and he's talking about training and making him more comfortable...so, sticking my nose in was a good thing (for once...lol).
I'm happy with this result. I would have loved to have kept Scamp but he's staying where he's used to, and he's happy so that's great. Things have worked out well, we have little money at the moment so taking on a dog would have been tough, not to mention a two week vacation coming up, so that would have meant leaving him with a friend, altho not a huge problem, I'd rather be taking him. Flying him to Greece would have been a problem tho.
We would have coped because he would be one of the family. I hope that now things will be ok there, I'm keeping in touch but have spaced myself because I think that's for the best. Well, I shall go back to waiting for the right time to get a puppy lol
Thanx guys
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