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the henna lady
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the henna lady
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Location: WNY, USA
Posted:
So this morning I heard a report on the BBC radio that there was this DNA study/test/whatever with men labelled as "deadbeat dads" who were paying child support. In the end a large percentage of the DNA tests came back that the dads who were paying child support were *not* actually the fathers of the kids they were paying on.
The British gov't decided that these "dads" needed to be reimbursed for all of the money they spent on kids that were not theirs...but here comes the catches....
1. They are not holding the mothers liable for the refund because they usually do not have the money and it would be detracting from the quality of life for the children and
2. It has been deemed nearly impossible to track down the legitimate fathers of these children and make them reimburse the guys so instead
The gov't is going to payback these "not-the-daddies", which means your tax dollars are going to pay these guys back for supporting kids that are not theirs, thus making the kids the taxpayers responsibility.
This has bad and backward written all over it.
Yet, I'm not sure how it should be settled. It's kindof confuzzling
What do you think of it?
So this morning I heard a report on the BBC radio that there was this DNA study/test/whatever with men labelled as "deadbeat dads" who were paying child support. In the end a large percentage of the DNA tests came back that the dads who were paying child support were *not* actually the fathers of the kids they were paying on.
The British gov't decided that these "dads" needed to be reimbursed for all of the money they spent on kids that were not theirs...but here comes the catches....
1. They are not holding the mothers liable for the refund because they usually do not have the money and it would be detracting from the quality of life for the children and
2. It has been deemed nearly impossible to track down the legitimate fathers of these children and make them reimburse the guys so instead
The gov't is going to payback these "not-the-daddies", which means your tax dollars are going to pay these guys back for supporting kids that are not theirs, thus making the kids the taxpayers responsibility.
This has bad and backward written all over it.
Yet, I'm not sure how it should be settled. It's kindof confuzzling
What do you think of it?
Pele
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Posted:
I think the mother's should be made to pay them back. Even if it is slowly.
The 'deadbeat Dad' had to pay child support, and if he didn't, then he was liable to court action. If the men weren't allowed to get away with it, Why should the Mothers get away with it?
In some cases, it could even be seen as fraud. Women getting pregnant, and needing a father figure to help support the baby, so they sleep with someone else quick, and tell them: you got me pregnant. *I know this isn't often the case, but it still happens.*
AH! What I want to say isn't coming out properly, so I'll leave it there, but I agree with you, Pele, Bad and backward whatever way you look at it.
I think the mother's should be made to pay them back. Even if it is slowly.
The 'deadbeat Dad' had to pay child support, and if he didn't, then he was liable to court action. If the men weren't allowed to get away with it, Why should the Mothers get away with it?
In some cases, it could even be seen as fraud. Women getting pregnant, and needing a father figure to help support the baby, so they sleep with someone else quick, and tell them: you got me pregnant. *I know this isn't often the case, but it still happens.*
AH! What I want to say isn't coming out properly, so I'll leave it there, but I agree with you, Pele, Bad and backward whatever way you look at it.
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Posted:
Taxpayers are already paying for those kids whose dads/moms have
- died
- left without trace
- had unprotected sex without knowing each other's names, addresses etc
- can't or don't work
I think I'd rather help supporting those children than making the poor dads who've been tricked into paying child support pay for them. I don't like the thought of paying taxes for obviously two irresponsible, or 1 irresponsible and 1 not-even-knowing-he's-the-dad parents. But I like the thought less that someone has to pay for years and years, even being accused of being a deadbeat dad, for a kid not his own. Happened in a case I knew, where the poor guy had already spent most of his money on the cheating girlfriend(and her buying drugs and outfits) in the first place, and after they split up she wanted the rest of his money for somebody else's baby...
EDIT: If possible, I agree with long time coming, the mum should pay back, if necessary after the kids are old enough so she can work. In reality it won't work though, I am being a bit prejudiced here, but I think lots of mothers who act this irresponsible in the first place will possibly save money at the wrong end (= the children). And if the mother reimburses the dad, without the dad being reimbursed by the government first, chances are he'll be dead before he sees his money again. It's only fair that, after being cheated by someone, he has the chance to start a new life, possibly with someone else, without having to worry about that money.
Taxpayers are already paying for those kids whose dads/moms have
- died
- left without trace
- had unprotected sex without knowing each other's names, addresses etc
- can't or don't work
I think I'd rather help supporting those children than making the poor dads who've been tricked into paying child support pay for them. I don't like the thought of paying taxes for obviously two irresponsible, or 1 irresponsible and 1 not-even-knowing-he's-the-dad parents. But I like the thought less that someone has to pay for years and years, even being accused of being a deadbeat dad, for a kid not his own. Happened in a case I knew, where the poor guy had already spent most of his money on the cheating girlfriend(and her buying drugs and outfits) in the first place, and after they split up she wanted the rest of his money for somebody else's baby...
EDIT: If possible, I agree with long time coming, the mum should pay back, if necessary after the kids are old enough so she can work. In reality it won't work though, I am being a bit prejudiced here, but I think lots of mothers who act this irresponsible in the first place will possibly save money at the wrong end (= the children). And if the mother reimburses the dad, without the dad being reimbursed by the government first, chances are he'll be dead before he sees his money again. It's only fair that, after being cheated by someone, he has the chance to start a new life, possibly with someone else, without having to worry about that money.
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NYC
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Posted:
I'm a bit confused as to how they were 'labeled' deadbeat dads and forced to pay without any proof.
That seems to be where the discrepency lies.
Wouldn't the guy just demand a paternety test in the first place.
In fact, I've never heard of a case when the paternity test WASN'T done first.
Isn't that kind of "Guilty until proven innocent"?
I'm glad I live in a country with a perfect justice system.
I'm a bit confused as to how they were 'labeled' deadbeat dads and forced to pay without any proof.
That seems to be where the discrepency lies.
Wouldn't the guy just demand a paternety test in the first place.
In fact, I've never heard of a case when the paternity test WASN'T done first.
Isn't that kind of "Guilty until proven innocent"?
I'm glad I live in a country with a perfect justice system.
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Location: South Wales
Posted:
Sorry, which country is this happening in?
Im guessing England if its the British government...but why put it on radio in America?
Sorry, which country is this happening in?
Im guessing England if its the British government...but why put it on radio in America?
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Posted:
^ BBC on satellite radio/internet radio. Only radio worth listening to nowadays.
Yup, men are sometimes guilty until being proven innocent in matters of sexual finger pointing. But I'm not saying it SHOULDN'T be like that.
^ BBC on satellite radio/internet radio. Only radio worth listening to nowadays.
Yup, men are sometimes guilty until being proven innocent in matters of sexual finger pointing. But I'm not saying it SHOULDN'T be like that.
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NYC
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Location: NYC, NY, USA
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Location: NYC, NY, USA
Posted:
Yeah... because the UK never mentions the US in IT'S news.
I got better US news while I was in the UK than when I'm here.
Written by: UnbeatenChampionOfFighting
but why put it on radio in America?
Yeah... because the UK never mentions the US in IT'S news.
I got better US news while I was in the UK than when I'm here.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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Posted:
thats right NYC we know nothing of your...am-er-i-ca?!?! im better than most though
i know that hot dawgs come from their
thats right NYC we know nothing of your...am-er-i-ca?!?! im better than most though
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old hand
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Posted:
Let the mother pay back. I think that when a woman get's pregnant, it's her decision to let the guy responsible for it know (although it's my opinion he's got the right to know) but I just think it's absolutely shocking that a woman would make another man believe that the child is his. That's just low.
Let the mother pay back. I think that when a woman get's pregnant, it's her decision to let the guy responsible for it know (although it's my opinion he's got the right to know) but I just think it's absolutely shocking that a woman would make another man believe that the child is his. That's just low.
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old hand
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Posted:
Kind of makes me wonder whether the father is seen as only the person who donated a bit of DNA, not the person who accepts the child as his own.
Did the broadcast say if these guys requested the information as a way of getting out of payment? I can only imagine what these people must feel if a child they have considered their own for years turns out not to be genetically theirs. If my dad turned out not to be my genetic father (unlikely as we look very much the same), he's still my dad.
On the flipside did anyone else find that situation with Pearl Lowe and Gavin Rossdale a bit wierd? After 15 years of denying that Lowe's child was Rossdale's, DNA tests reveal she was, so apparerently Lowe then demanded 15 years worth of child support. Hmmm.
Kind of makes me wonder whether the father is seen as only the person who donated a bit of DNA, not the person who accepts the child as his own.
Did the broadcast say if these guys requested the information as a way of getting out of payment? I can only imagine what these people must feel if a child they have considered their own for years turns out not to be genetically theirs. If my dad turned out not to be my genetic father (unlikely as we look very much the same), he's still my dad.
On the flipside did anyone else find that situation with Pearl Lowe and Gavin Rossdale a bit wierd? After 15 years of denying that Lowe's child was Rossdale's, DNA tests reveal she was, so apparerently Lowe then demanded 15 years worth of child support. Hmmm.
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the henna lady
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Location: WNY, USA
Posted:
No, it was part of some gov't study apparently. They agreed to participate.
To answer NYC, Noah's spermdonor gets his paycheck garnished for child support every month (though I don't see a penny), and there has never been a paternity test, and Noah has never met him...nor will he. We like it that way. He was labelled a deadbeat dad because the hospital insisted on putting his name on the birth certificate and he never once paid child support of his own volition through the support enforcement agency (so that he had no contact with us). He's only been garnished in the past year, Noah is 10. In NYS a deadbeat dad can have his license revoked, his wages garnished, his income taxes garnished until he's paid up. And yet, like I said, no paternity test has ever been done because he is on the birth certificate (though I am fighting to get him off it).
And the BBC is broadcast on our public broadcast radio station every morning and there is a BBC television station that comes in from Canada. No satellite or internet needed here.
Oh, and NYC..I agree with the US news abroad. I knew more of what was going on when I was in NZ...and for some odd reason, Everybody Loves Raymond was on more often there too. Bleh!
Written by: Eera
Kind of makes me wonder whether the father is seen as only the person who donated a bit of DNA, not the person who accepts the child as his own.
Did the broadcast say if these guys requested the information as a way of getting out of payment? I can only imagine what these people must feel if a child they have considered their own for years turns out not to be genetically theirs. If my dad turned out not to be my genetic father (unlikely as we look very much the same), he's still my dad.
No, it was part of some gov't study apparently. They agreed to participate.
To answer NYC, Noah's spermdonor gets his paycheck garnished for child support every month (though I don't see a penny), and there has never been a paternity test, and Noah has never met him...nor will he. We like it that way. He was labelled a deadbeat dad because the hospital insisted on putting his name on the birth certificate and he never once paid child support of his own volition through the support enforcement agency (so that he had no contact with us). He's only been garnished in the past year, Noah is 10. In NYS a deadbeat dad can have his license revoked, his wages garnished, his income taxes garnished until he's paid up. And yet, like I said, no paternity test has ever been done because he is on the birth certificate (though I am fighting to get him off it).
And the BBC is broadcast on our public broadcast radio station every morning and there is a BBC television station that comes in from Canada. No satellite or internet needed here.
Oh, and NYC..I agree with the US news abroad. I knew more of what was going on when I was in NZ...and for some odd reason, Everybody Loves Raymond was on more often there too. Bleh!
Pele
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NYC
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Posted:
What if the mother actually did the right thing and spent the money on the child's clothes/food?
I don't often think of single mothers as hoarding child support money in a mattress somewhere.
Written by: Firetramp
Let the mother pay back.
What if the mother actually did the right thing and spent the money on the child's clothes/food?
I don't often think of single mothers as hoarding child support money in a mattress somewhere.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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Posted:
Not many people I know listen to American broadcasts from an American news site, about American news events.
Hacktually
Written by: Enn Why See
Yeah... because the UK never mentions the US in IT'S news.
Not many people I know listen to American broadcasts from an American news site, about American news events.
Hacktually
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Posted:
It's still (unless, for some reason, she missed the fact that she'd slept with someone else) stolen money. If you steal money, even for a valid cause, you have to pay it back or get punished. The difficulty of how a single mother can pay it back has been mentioned a couple of times.
Written by: NYC
What if the mother actually did the right thing and spent the money on the child's clothes/food?
I don't often think of single mothers as hoarding child support money in a mattress somewhere.
It's still (unless, for some reason, she missed the fact that she'd slept with someone else) stolen money. If you steal money, even for a valid cause, you have to pay it back or get punished. The difficulty of how a single mother can pay it back has been mentioned a couple of times.
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NYC
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Location: NYC, NY, USA
Posted:
I find that odd... with all the time you spend in America and all.
Most of the Americans I know listen to American broadcasts from American news sites about American news events while in America... as most of the American news sites in America are American and contain American news that more Americans would find more relevant being that they live in America.
Molly and I watched the weather report just this morning. I found it much more relevant that they discussed the weather in a location that I was planning on being. In this case, America.
Written by: UnbeatenChampionOfFighting
Not many people I know listen to American broadcasts from an American news site, about American news events.
Hacktually
I find that odd... with all the time you spend in America and all.
Most of the Americans I know listen to American broadcasts from American news sites about American news events while in America... as most of the American news sites in America are American and contain American news that more Americans would find more relevant being that they live in America.
Molly and I watched the weather report just this morning. I found it much more relevant that they discussed the weather in a location that I was planning on being. In this case, America.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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Posted:
Well, seeing as how the government mandates child support...
If the government stuffs up, then the government should be responsible for it.
Well, seeing as how the government mandates child support...
If the government stuffs up, then the government should be responsible for it.
-Mike
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Posted:
I know I'm the rarity. But I often watch/read BBC for a different perspective especially on American politics. I've heard CNN (often said to have liberal bias) described as Commie News Network and FOX News (definate conservative bias) as Fundamentalists On X.
Written by: NYC
Most of the Americans I know listen to American broadcasts from American news sites about American news events while in America... as most of the American news sites in America are American and contain American news that more Americans would find more relevant being that they live in America.
I know I'm the rarity. But I often watch/read BBC for a different perspective especially on American politics. I've heard CNN (often said to have liberal bias) described as Commie News Network and FOX News (definate conservative bias) as Fundamentalists On X.
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Pooh-Bah
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Posted:
The downside being the distinct lack of coverage of international events that have global ramifications in other countries.
And actually on topic, it always depends on the individual situation. Some people make honest mistakes, others do it maliciously. There really is very little way you can prove one or another.
Written by: NYC
as most of the American news sites in America are American and contain American news that more Americans would find more relevant being that they live in America.
The downside being the distinct lack of coverage of international events that have global ramifications in other countries.
And actually on topic, it always depends on the individual situation. Some people make honest mistakes, others do it maliciously. There really is very little way you can prove one or another.
After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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NYC
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Posted:
"OTHER" countries?
That sounds Unamerican.
Written by: SethisWritten by: NYC
as most of the American news sites in America are American and contain American news that more Americans would find more relevant being that they live in America.
The downside being the distinct lack of coverage of international events that have global ramifications in other countries.
"OTHER" countries?
That sounds Unamerican.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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the henna lady
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the henna lady
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Posted:
Hey NYC et al.
Could you please stick to topic? If you want to talk about who listens to what where I think it would be amusing in chat.
You're right Sethis, it is hard to prove who picked the person at random and who honestly thought it was the guy.
However, Doc, how do you figure the gov't screwed up? It isn't their responsibility to know who the daddy is...that would be the responsibility of the mother methinks.
And on that note, NYC is right, these mothers don't have the money generally speaking to pay it back. Now I agree that when the children are old enough they could have their wages garnished to pay back the gov't but wouldn't that propigate the continuing trend towards poverty?
It's such a sucky thing...
The kids don't get their child support.
The daddies lost their kids.
The taxpayers get one more thing to pay on.....
Who wins here?
Hey NYC et al.
Could you please stick to topic? If you want to talk about who listens to what where I think it would be amusing in chat.
You're right Sethis, it is hard to prove who picked the person at random and who honestly thought it was the guy.
However, Doc, how do you figure the gov't screwed up? It isn't their responsibility to know who the daddy is...that would be the responsibility of the mother methinks.
And on that note, NYC is right, these mothers don't have the money generally speaking to pay it back. Now I agree that when the children are old enough they could have their wages garnished to pay back the gov't but wouldn't that propigate the continuing trend towards poverty?
It's such a sucky thing...
The kids don't get their child support.
The daddies lost their kids.
The taxpayers get one more thing to pay on.....
Who wins here?
Pele
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NYC
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Posted:
"The Media Is The Message"
I think the Fox News coverage of the same topic would have been very different.
Wanders back to the topic of Baby's Momma's Deadbeat Boyfriends...
Written by: Pele
Hey NYC et al.
Could you please stick to topic?
"The Media Is The Message"
I think the Fox News coverage of the same topic would have been very different.
Wanders back to the topic of Baby's Momma's Deadbeat Boyfriends...
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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Posted:
The government screwed up by ordering the wrong man to pay support. There should have been some basic paternity testing rules in effect looong ago. Even before DNA typing there was blood typing and other serologic markers that could at least rule out paternity.
I mean, it's not as if some random woman can accuse me of being her baby's father and have me paying child support. There has to be something to back up the claim.
So if the government wasn't thorough in its policies and made the wrong men pay for the wrong children, then the government should shell out.
Written by: Pele
However, Doc, how do you figure the gov't screwed up? It isn't their responsibility to know who the daddy is...that would be the responsibility of the mother methinks.
The government screwed up by ordering the wrong man to pay support. There should have been some basic paternity testing rules in effect looong ago. Even before DNA typing there was blood typing and other serologic markers that could at least rule out paternity.
I mean, it's not as if some random woman can accuse me of being her baby's father and have me paying child support. There has to be something to back up the claim.
So if the government wasn't thorough in its policies and made the wrong men pay for the wrong children, then the government should shell out.
-Mike
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Posted:
Lightning, the only problem with that is that the government wouldn't pay it out of their own personal pockets, they'd just institute a tax increase to pay for it, which would drain other people of their hard earned money instead, with the only reprecussions being a small foot note on some campaign in the next election -.-
Only thing I have to say is "Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to the shady areas of the law" -.- I'm facing a few of them my self right now -.-
Lightning, the only problem with that is that the government wouldn't pay it out of their own personal pockets, they'd just institute a tax increase to pay for it, which would drain other people of their hard earned money instead, with the only reprecussions being a small foot note on some campaign in the next election -.-
Only thing I have to say is "Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to the shady areas of the law" -.- I'm facing a few of them my self right now -.-
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Posted:
Well, all government expenditures come from taxpayer's pockets, eventually.
It's better than stiffing the single moms or the mis-accused dads, isn't it?
Well, all government expenditures come from taxpayer's pockets, eventually.
It's better than stiffing the single moms or the mis-accused dads, isn't it?
-Mike
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Posted:
link to main story in the guardian
its a difficult situation.
i think that if during the case it emerges that the mother knowingly deceived the csa, the would-be-father or the court in order to get money, she should be prosecuted for fraud by the csa.
the law is a funny thing - check out this poor guy from north carolina who despite taking a dna test and proving that a child he has been supporting is not his, has been ordered to continue paying support
cole. x
link to main story in the guardian
its a difficult situation.
i think that if during the case it emerges that the mother knowingly deceived the csa, the would-be-father or the court in order to get money, she should be prosecuted for fraud by the csa.
the law is a funny thing - check out this poor guy from north carolina who despite taking a dna test and proving that a child he has been supporting is not his, has been ordered to continue paying support
cole. x
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NYC
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Posted:
Oh please... it's only 3000 guys getting what? A couple of grand? That's a drop in the bucket. The entire budget for this is probably less than what it costs to send ONE soldier to Iraq.
And this has got to be the least helpful quote in the history of quotes...
"The situation in the CSA is getting so absurd that even Lewis Carroll would have rejected it as a script for Alice in Wonderland."
If this is a hiccough in the system and 3000 guys need to be adjusted while tens of thousands are made to pay everybody wins.
Essentially you're letting 3000 single mothers get child support from tax dollars. I think there are a few larger evils in the government than that.
Oh please... it's only 3000 guys getting what? A couple of grand? That's a drop in the bucket. The entire budget for this is probably less than what it costs to send ONE soldier to Iraq.
And this has got to be the least helpful quote in the history of quotes...
"The situation in the CSA is getting so absurd that even Lewis Carroll would have rejected it as a script for Alice in Wonderland."
If this is a hiccough in the system and 3000 guys need to be adjusted while tens of thousands are made to pay everybody wins.
Essentially you're letting 3000 single mothers get child support from tax dollars. I think there are a few larger evils in the government than that.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
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big and good and broken
7,330 posts
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay, United Kingdom
Posted:
tax pounds don't you mean sir...?
cole. x
tax pounds don't you mean sir...?
cole. x
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Location: Binstead, Isle of Wight
Posted:
? A mother knows who the father is! Come on! If she says she's not, then she's lying or really just very stupid!
And no one can just dissappear of the face of the earth. "They" can find anyone anywhere nowadays so the real father can be found to pay his support.
Written by: Pele
You're right Sethis, it is hard to prove who picked the person at random and who honestly thought it was the guy.
? A mother knows who the father is! Come on! If she says she's not, then she's lying or really just very stupid!
And no one can just dissappear of the face of the earth. "They" can find anyone anywhere nowadays so the real father can be found to pay his support.
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4,145 posts
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland (UK)
had her carpal tunnel surgery already thanks v much
4,145 posts
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland (UK)
Posted:
Some people are stupid... my friend used to work in a chemist shop, and one day they had pregnancy tests on offer. So a girl came in, asked for one, my friend said "we recommend (blabla), they're on offer at the moment."
girl: "I'll take two, I'm going to a party tonight."
Now, if SHE didn't know who her kid's dad was, would you be surprised?
Some people are stupid... my friend used to work in a chemist shop, and one day they had pregnancy tests on offer. So a girl came in, asked for one, my friend said "we recommend (blabla), they're on offer at the moment."
girl: "I'll take two, I'm going to a party tonight."
Now, if SHE didn't know who her kid's dad was, would you be surprised?
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Location: York University, United Kingdom
Pooh-Bah
1,762 posts
Location: York University, United Kingdom
Posted:
And of course, no-one EVER has sex when they were so hammered that they couldn't remember a thing the next morning... Of course no-one is that stupid...
Written by: Firetramp
? A mother knows who the father is! Come on! If she says she's not, then she's lying or really just very stupid!
And of course, no-one EVER has sex when they were so hammered that they couldn't remember a thing the next morning... Of course no-one is that stupid...
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151 posts
Location: south wales
151 posts
Location: south wales
Posted:
what idealistic world do you live in???
you'd think that after 8years "they" would be able to find a teacher (therefore someone kind of working for the government) for whom they have the address, phone number, work place, national insurance details, etc etc.....and still can not make him pay child support!!!!!
ok a bit personal but it gets to me sometimes when single mothers are made out to be the bad guys coning everyone out of money.
As for the men paying child support when they may not be the dad..... surely the men shouldn't go around having unprotected sex anyway then they wouldn't get themselves into the am I the daddy situation!
If they hadn't taken the risk they could be more sure they aren't the dad and do a paternity test before they pay up.... in the uk it is very easy not to pay child support if you don't want to... trust me I know.
ok rant over, and as usual I wasn't going to post on this thread but what the hell.
Written by: Firetramp
And no one can just dissappear of the face of the earth. "They" can find anyone anywhere nowadays so the real father can be found to pay his support.
what idealistic world do you live in???
you'd think that after 8years "they" would be able to find a teacher (therefore someone kind of working for the government) for whom they have the address, phone number, work place, national insurance details, etc etc.....and still can not make him pay child support!!!!!
ok a bit personal but it gets to me sometimes when single mothers are made out to be the bad guys coning everyone out of money.
As for the men paying child support when they may not be the dad..... surely the men shouldn't go around having unprotected sex anyway then they wouldn't get themselves into the am I the daddy situation!
If they hadn't taken the risk they could be more sure they aren't the dad and do a paternity test before they pay up.... in the uk it is very easy not to pay child support if you don't want to... trust me I know.
ok rant over, and as usual I wasn't going to post on this thread but what the hell.
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