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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Ok following today's talk by some nurse at school today I think this subject deserved a thread.
The amount of sex ed at my school (or rather the lack of it) really does worry me. I started a thread a while back concerning the numerous amount of pregnant girls at my school and I can't stop thinking that perhaps the proper sex education, these situations could have been avoided.
Today all the year 11 girls were hushed into the hall and this woman with a slideshow presentation began to tell us all about the wonder that is - periods. Sorry to be frank but, 2 years too late love.
I mean this was *really* basic stuff, the kind of info you get when you first join year 7, and yes its important to know but what, we're all 15 comming up 16 now. Surely its basic knowledge by now.
Surely this time would have been better spent talking about contreception? or STD's? or what emotional and/or physical ties come along with sex?
The talk only slightly broke the surface on the symptons of STD's and then quickly moved back onto telling us what tampons were. And we even got our own little 'goodie bag' at the end of the talk *rolls eyes*
We've had one lesson where we got to put a condom on a test tube, but no talk involved. The embarresed teacher buried her head in a book for most of the lesson.
And surely we're old enough to have mixed sex ,sex ed. classes now? nor have we even has a male teacher for one of these classes. and might I add that we havn't even touched on homosexuality or gay sex.
I think that most of britain (most not all) has a problem with sex education, and that most of these horrid situations that people wished they'd never gotten themself's into (pregnacy, STD's) could've been avoided with the right education.
Feel free to comment, state opinions and/or hurl rotten tomatoes at me
Aimz xx
Ok following today's talk by some nurse at school today I think this subject deserved a thread.
The amount of sex ed at my school (or rather the lack of it) really does worry me. I started a thread a while back concerning the numerous amount of pregnant girls at my school and I can't stop thinking that perhaps the proper sex education, these situations could have been avoided.
Today all the year 11 girls were hushed into the hall and this woman with a slideshow presentation began to tell us all about the wonder that is - periods. Sorry to be frank but, 2 years too late love.
I mean this was *really* basic stuff, the kind of info you get when you first join year 7, and yes its important to know but what, we're all 15 comming up 16 now. Surely its basic knowledge by now.
Surely this time would have been better spent talking about contreception? or STD's? or what emotional and/or physical ties come along with sex?
The talk only slightly broke the surface on the symptons of STD's and then quickly moved back onto telling us what tampons were. And we even got our own little 'goodie bag' at the end of the talk *rolls eyes*
We've had one lesson where we got to put a condom on a test tube, but no talk involved. The embarresed teacher buried her head in a book for most of the lesson.
And surely we're old enough to have mixed sex ,sex ed. classes now? nor have we even has a male teacher for one of these classes. and might I add that we havn't even touched on homosexuality or gay sex.
I think that most of britain (most not all) has a problem with sex education, and that most of these horrid situations that people wished they'd never gotten themself's into (pregnacy, STD's) could've been avoided with the right education.
Feel free to comment, state opinions and/or hurl rotten tomatoes at me
Aimz xx
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I couldn't agree more (dammit I'll have to save those tomatoes for another day).
I don't actually remember having any Sex education at school at all!!
I couldn't agree more (dammit I'll have to save those tomatoes for another day).
I don't actually remember having any Sex education at school at all!!
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my school was actually pretty good about this, and in grade 9 or 10 you had to take a 'health' class, which was at least 50% sex ed and maybe 25% about drugs (both legal and illegal), and no dividing the sexes for it either, everyone got the same lectures in the same room. Not that I didn't pretty much know all the material already by then, but at least they gave it an honest try and caught me when I was still a virgin.
my school was actually pretty good about this, and in grade 9 or 10 you had to take a 'health' class, which was at least 50% sex ed and maybe 25% about drugs (both legal and illegal), and no dividing the sexes for it either, everyone got the same lectures in the same room. Not that I didn't pretty much know all the material already by then, but at least they gave it an honest try and caught me when I was still a virgin.
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i agree with you as well but the only way to change stuff like that is to speak to someone senior ie your head teach may be he thinks the teachers are covering more than they are, i can remember being 15 and being told by an RE teacher in a RE lession that comdons dont work,
if you do feel strongly speak up or get your parents to write to the school board that they generally are the ones who can make big changes.
or even the person/orginasation they might not of realised their negligence.
do make a diffrence you could help stop mestakes and help improve peoples lives.
if you find the nurse unhelpful get back incontact with me and i will give you details how to take the matter further.
hope this helps sorry about being militant but i feel reall strongly about this one
take care hugs mike
i agree with you as well but the only way to change stuff like that is to speak to someone senior ie your head teach may be he thinks the teachers are covering more than they are, i can remember being 15 and being told by an RE teacher in a RE lession that comdons dont work,
if you do feel strongly speak up or get your parents to write to the school board that they generally are the ones who can make big changes.
or even the person/orginasation they might not of realised their negligence.
do make a diffrence you could help stop mestakes and help improve peoples lives.
if you find the nurse unhelpful get back incontact with me and i will give you details how to take the matter further.
hope this helps sorry about being militant but i feel reall strongly about this one
take care hugs mike
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Posted:
Nice one Aimee.
I think too many schools do shy away from this issue.
In my school it varied from year to year as to how good it was. My brother's year (5yrs above me) only got taught the biological side, in science.
My year was quite a bit better, where in year 10 and 11 we also had PSE lessons (Personal and Social Education). It was here where we got told about the risks of std's, pregnancy, emotial ties, drugs, etc.
Yeah, a lot of it we knew already, but I think different bits were useful for different people.
It did seem ironic though, that in the middle of learning about the emotional effects of sex, and std's, that we STILL had that tampax woman come in.
All the girls got sat down in a room, and told what it would be like when we started our periods! We were 15!
Nice one Aimee.
I think too many schools do shy away from this issue.
In my school it varied from year to year as to how good it was. My brother's year (5yrs above me) only got taught the biological side, in science.
My year was quite a bit better, where in year 10 and 11 we also had PSE lessons (Personal and Social Education). It was here where we got told about the risks of std's, pregnancy, emotial ties, drugs, etc.
Yeah, a lot of it we knew already, but I think different bits were useful for different people.
It did seem ironic though, that in the middle of learning about the emotional effects of sex, and std's, that we STILL had that tampax woman come in.
All the girls got sat down in a room, and told what it would be like when we started our periods! We were 15!
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damn. and all this time i've been hearing about how bad it is in the US. i got the "period" talk when i was in 4th grade....about 9-10 years old.
at least though, aimee, you were shown how to put on a condom. even the talk of *having* condoms present in schools, much less showing you how to use one, causes a flurry of freaking out. what little sex ed you guys have over there still trumps us....your pregnancy rates are much lower than the US.
https://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/archives/nr_euroteens.html
damn. and all this time i've been hearing about how bad it is in the US. i got the "period" talk when i was in 4th grade....about 9-10 years old.
at least though, aimee, you were shown how to put on a condom. even the talk of *having* condoms present in schools, much less showing you how to use one, causes a flurry of freaking out. what little sex ed you guys have over there still trumps us....your pregnancy rates are much lower than the US.
https://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/archives/nr_euroteens.html
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wow...sounds like I had it pretty good. In 5th grade was when all the girls got taken to a separate room and got the period talk/video. In 6th garde, we all got the sex video/talk. They divided the boys and the girls for this, but they told us about where babies came from (like most of us didn't know this already) and about STD's. They included some really disgusting pics to go along with those (female only of course for the girls - no clue what the boys got). They had the nurse in there as well who was available for questions, and as I recall got quite a few, but more along the lines of "does it hurt". I don't recall condoms or protection really being discussed though.
My school district also had a health requirement for graduation. You needed to take a one semester health class sometime before you graduated. If I took it in 9th grade, I would have had a six week session about marriage and family as well as the sex ed/drugs part that vanize mentioned in his. Instead, I took it in 12th grade and lost the marriage/family chunk. We focused much more on drugs and sex. In fact, I remember making a giant pot leaf out of green construction paper for a presentation- a model for it was shown to me and the other person giving the pot presentation during class one day - probably not a very smart idea on his part. That class was not segregated and the boys/girls all heard the same stuff from the same teacher (a guy). Again, I don't really recall a discussion of protection methods though...
and we wonder why there are so many teen pregnancies?
wow...sounds like I had it pretty good. In 5th grade was when all the girls got taken to a separate room and got the period talk/video. In 6th garde, we all got the sex video/talk. They divided the boys and the girls for this, but they told us about where babies came from (like most of us didn't know this already) and about STD's. They included some really disgusting pics to go along with those (female only of course for the girls - no clue what the boys got). They had the nurse in there as well who was available for questions, and as I recall got quite a few, but more along the lines of "does it hurt". I don't recall condoms or protection really being discussed though.
My school district also had a health requirement for graduation. You needed to take a one semester health class sometime before you graduated. If I took it in 9th grade, I would have had a six week session about marriage and family as well as the sex ed/drugs part that vanize mentioned in his. Instead, I took it in 12th grade and lost the marriage/family chunk. We focused much more on drugs and sex. In fact, I remember making a giant pot leaf out of green construction paper for a presentation- a model for it was shown to me and the other person giving the pot presentation during class one day - probably not a very smart idea on his part. That class was not segregated and the boys/girls all heard the same stuff from the same teacher (a guy). Again, I don't really recall a discussion of protection methods though...
and we wonder why there are so many teen pregnancies?
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Hmm, I had the period talk in grade 5, with all the girls taken out. And there was also a personal hygene video (showering, brushing teeh, combing and brushing hair, deodurant, etc.) I remember, it was stick people dancing, and the guy trying to get his mac on, and something about his hygene would go amiss, and it'd get fixed. I can't remember the end (this was five years ago ^^;) but they probably got to finally dance together. Or make sweet sweet love. Probably the former
THen... in grade 9, we had a health nurse come in, and show us a movie on birth. Like.. was 3 women give birth. And then a little pamphlet on STIs (Sexually Transmitted Infections) and then shoved on our way.
Now, in highschool (it starts in grade 10 in NS, very lame IMO) we never dealt with sex, or STIs, but we have a VERY good teen health service available. The teen health nurse is actually a VERY good friend of mine in school! She's amazing, and so open to talking about everything student or teacher, public or private. She gives out handfulls of condoms (male, and sometime these little sheets used to put over female genitals for oral sex), has "her dildo" to show people how to put them on, offers pregnancy tests, etc. etc.
Some lunchtimes, in the teen health center (equipped with comfy couches, "mood" lighitng (rope lights and white christmas lights in fake trees), there are educational videos shown.
So, although we don't necessairly get the education through classes, word got around that there were free condoms, and by the end of the year, the THC was regularly packed
I think it's the best service I've seen in schools. Angie (the nurse) is SO much better than the guidance councillors to talk to. Also, our THC is a model for the rest of the province, so maybe one day each school in NS will have one like ours.
~ Bobo
Hmm, I had the period talk in grade 5, with all the girls taken out. And there was also a personal hygene video (showering, brushing teeh, combing and brushing hair, deodurant, etc.) I remember, it was stick people dancing, and the guy trying to get his mac on, and something about his hygene would go amiss, and it'd get fixed. I can't remember the end (this was five years ago ^^;) but they probably got to finally dance together. Or make sweet sweet love. Probably the former
THen... in grade 9, we had a health nurse come in, and show us a movie on birth. Like.. was 3 women give birth. And then a little pamphlet on STIs (Sexually Transmitted Infections) and then shoved on our way.
Now, in highschool (it starts in grade 10 in NS, very lame IMO) we never dealt with sex, or STIs, but we have a VERY good teen health service available. The teen health nurse is actually a VERY good friend of mine in school! She's amazing, and so open to talking about everything student or teacher, public or private. She gives out handfulls of condoms (male, and sometime these little sheets used to put over female genitals for oral sex), has "her dildo" to show people how to put them on, offers pregnancy tests, etc. etc.
Some lunchtimes, in the teen health center (equipped with comfy couches, "mood" lighitng (rope lights and white christmas lights in fake trees), there are educational videos shown.
So, although we don't necessairly get the education through classes, word got around that there were free condoms, and by the end of the year, the THC was regularly packed
I think it's the best service I've seen in schools. Angie (the nurse) is SO much better than the guidance councillors to talk to. Also, our THC is a model for the rest of the province, so maybe one day each school in NS will have one like ours.
~ Bobo
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How can you "promote" homosexuality? Can you "promote" being Black, or Asian, or red-haired?
In this country, people seem to be under the misconception that "Abstinence is 100% effective."
Of course it is. If compliance is 100%. But if you hold it up the same standards that condoms and contraceptives are held to (which take into account noncompliance), it's very ineffective.
I should know. I've personally delivered two "immaculate conceptions."
How can you "promote" homosexuality? Can you "promote" being Black, or Asian, or red-haired?
In this country, people seem to be under the misconception that "Abstinence is 100% effective."
Of course it is. If compliance is 100%. But if you hold it up the same standards that condoms and contraceptives are held to (which take into account noncompliance), it's very ineffective.
I should know. I've personally delivered two "immaculate conceptions."
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I dont know if it was just my school, but, even with tonnes of sex ed we still had a lot of pregnancy's in my year.
From yr 7 we had an hour a week about either sex, STDs, Drugs or bullying. We called it CCS (cross curricular studies). The amount of work sheets and talks we had! We even did about gay sex and the laws about it and such. Dont think there was an issue we didn't do about.
Yet we still had 5 pregnancys in my year during years 9 & 10. (supprisingly none in year 11!)
I dont know if it was just my school, but, even with tonnes of sex ed we still had a lot of pregnancy's in my year.
From yr 7 we had an hour a week about either sex, STDs, Drugs or bullying. We called it CCS (cross curricular studies). The amount of work sheets and talks we had! We even did about gay sex and the laws about it and such. Dont think there was an issue we didn't do about.
Yet we still had 5 pregnancys in my year during years 9 & 10. (supprisingly none in year 11!)
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teaching about homosexualality illegal? that really is absurd. firstly it's SEX education, gay sex is still sex. surely we should have lessons on it?
At our school we have 2 periods a week devoted to P.S.H.R.E which then plits into either Citizenship (thats the biggest load of bollucks ive ever been taught) sex education, and drugs. Never had a drugs lesson and had perhaps 4 or 5 lessons of sex ed. And the mojoraty(sp?) of these was spent watching videos about 12 year olds moaning about how they havnt got a boy friend
Brodieman - about condoms not working, i saw something about that in a programme about abstinance. This bloke said that as latex material it had holes in it, its the same concept as why a balloon goes down after time. so unless your gonna stay in that post-coital(sp?) position for 5 days then...well yeh.
Also i cannot change ANYTHING. without going into details my school is $HIT to be honest I can't wait to get out of the place. Students have no role in the way lessons are taught. There is a school council (who do jack $hit ) but maybe I need to chat to a couple of its members as its something I feel so strongly about.
Bobo i think thats great. It really is good. Our school nurse is scary! shes really short and has her trousers up round her armpits. I'm scared to talk to her about a headache let alone sex!
Thanks for your support guys
Aimz xx
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EDITED_BY: x_aimee_x (1089882078)
teaching about homosexualality illegal? that really is absurd. firstly it's SEX education, gay sex is still sex. surely we should have lessons on it?
At our school we have 2 periods a week devoted to P.S.H.R.E which then plits into either Citizenship (thats the biggest load of bollucks ive ever been taught) sex education, and drugs. Never had a drugs lesson and had perhaps 4 or 5 lessons of sex ed. And the mojoraty(sp?) of these was spent watching videos about 12 year olds moaning about how they havnt got a boy friend
Brodieman - about condoms not working, i saw something about that in a programme about abstinance. This bloke said that as latex material it had holes in it, its the same concept as why a balloon goes down after time. so unless your gonna stay in that post-coital(sp?) position for 5 days then...well yeh.
Also i cannot change ANYTHING. without going into details my school is $HIT to be honest I can't wait to get out of the place. Students have no role in the way lessons are taught. There is a school council (who do jack $hit ) but maybe I need to chat to a couple of its members as its something I feel so strongly about.
Bobo i think thats great. It really is good. Our school nurse is scary! shes really short and has her trousers up round her armpits. I'm scared to talk to her about a headache let alone sex!
Thanks for your support guys
Aimz xx
sure you don't wanna hurl tomatoes? i have melons too if you want?
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well i am known to quite like melons can i not just eat them instead its a terrible waste..........
tomatoes on the other hand... dont want to throw at you mabie we should throw at your school nurse for being crap??? who is with me??
well i am known to quite like melons can i not just eat them instead its a terrible waste..........
tomatoes on the other hand... dont want to throw at you mabie we should throw at your school nurse for being crap??? who is with me??
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wiiie... glad im a swede then... i reckon tthat the sex ed get taught over here in sweden, actually is pretty good ...
and please, its not because every1 girl over here is blonde, got huge titts and wants 2 have sex all the time... did i mention that we keep polarbears as pets?
its not like we are really open 2 sex..:S we still got problem talkin 2 our parents about it.. I just think that ever1 wants 2 be aware of what can happen if you dont think one step ahead...
when i was over in australia (did one year as an exchange student) i found the same thing as you aime, are talkin about...
wiiie... glad im a swede then... i reckon tthat the sex ed get taught over here in sweden, actually is pretty good ...
and please, its not because every1 girl over here is blonde, got huge titts and wants 2 have sex all the time... did i mention that we keep polarbears as pets?
its not like we are really open 2 sex..:S we still got problem talkin 2 our parents about it.. I just think that ever1 wants 2 be aware of what can happen if you dont think one step ahead...
when i was over in australia (did one year as an exchange student) i found the same thing as you aime, are talkin about...
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my school's were pretty good, we got the goody bag when we were about 11/12 and a whole bunch of std talk and contraception and we even went through the stages of the development of a foetus which really shook up my head on my opinions of abortion...
Here's an interesting fact which I've bought up before but i think should be restated:
With the rise in the amount of education on contraception the amount of teenage pregnancies goes up on a parrallel climb.
That's a bit freaky,
my school's were pretty good, we got the goody bag when we were about 11/12 and a whole bunch of std talk and contraception and we even went through the stages of the development of a foetus which really shook up my head on my opinions of abortion...
Here's an interesting fact which I've bought up before but i think should be restated:
With the rise in the amount of education on contraception the amount of teenage pregnancies goes up on a parrallel climb.
That's a bit freaky,
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i can't remember having sex ed in years 8-10. but i know in year 11 there were 2 girls & about 13 guys in my sex ed - sorry, human relationships education - class!! and we had a male science teacher. this was the same man who spent the entire last week of my year 9 science class teaching us all to play poker!
from what i remember, the lesson about contraception involved condoms flying around the room & many many puzzled faces when the teacher pulled out an i.u.d. all i can say is - that put me off i.u.d's forever!! it looked a bit scary & odd. the guys laughed at it all! especially the diaphram (sp?). such silly boys! i just wish female condoms had been around then, (oh!! and implanon!) just to see their faces!
i can't remember having sex ed in years 8-10. but i know in year 11 there were 2 girls & about 13 guys in my sex ed - sorry, human relationships education - class!! and we had a male science teacher. this was the same man who spent the entire last week of my year 9 science class teaching us all to play poker!
from what i remember, the lesson about contraception involved condoms flying around the room & many many puzzled faces when the teacher pulled out an i.u.d. all i can say is - that put me off i.u.d's forever!! it looked a bit scary & odd. the guys laughed at it all! especially the diaphram (sp?). such silly boys! i just wish female condoms had been around then, (oh!! and implanon!) just to see their faces!
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that's not entirely true. check out the link i posted. that study was done only 3 years ago (i didn't do a thorough search for newer studies so i apologize, but it's still fairly recent). the biggest problem it seems is the acceptance of teenage sexual relationships. all other countires in that study acknowledged and accepted that teens are going to have sex whether we like them to or not. so they prepare them for it by teaching them responsible sexual behavior. the US doesn't do that. we have that whole "if i keep my eyes shut, it won't happen" policy, and as a result, teens are getting no information or misinformation from their friends, which then leads to pregnancy and STDs. yes, like with any sort of "taboo" subject, teaching about it raises some curiousity for some. but far worse is the idea that if we don't talk to them about it, they won't be curious and try it. that's idiocy and completely untrue.
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With the rise in the amount of education on contraception the amount of teenage pregnancies goes up on a parrallel climb.
that's not entirely true. check out the link i posted. that study was done only 3 years ago (i didn't do a thorough search for newer studies so i apologize, but it's still fairly recent). the biggest problem it seems is the acceptance of teenage sexual relationships. all other countires in that study acknowledged and accepted that teens are going to have sex whether we like them to or not. so they prepare them for it by teaching them responsible sexual behavior. the US doesn't do that. we have that whole "if i keep my eyes shut, it won't happen" policy, and as a result, teens are getting no information or misinformation from their friends, which then leads to pregnancy and STDs. yes, like with any sort of "taboo" subject, teaching about it raises some curiousity for some. but far worse is the idea that if we don't talk to them about it, they won't be curious and try it. that's idiocy and completely untrue.
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Year 11 OMG that's far too late... didn't you have one at primary school forget two years too late think more like 6!
Sex education in this country is bizzarely differing there should be a better stratagy and to be honest it's not about sex it's about growing up perfectly normal girla and boys should be told the same things and then seperated for question asking my fiance has no sisters and was soooo weird about girl things when we first met!
Year 11 OMG that's far too late... didn't you have one at primary school forget two years too late think more like 6!
Sex education in this country is bizzarely differing there should be a better stratagy and to be honest it's not about sex it's about growing up perfectly normal girla and boys should be told the same things and then seperated for question asking my fiance has no sisters and was soooo weird about girl things when we first met!
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Lightning, I just know we'd be friends for life if we ever met. I just wrote to Morning Edition an hour ago, commenting on "abstinence-only" pregnancy prevention (and sex-ed) curricula. Abstinence has a VERY high failure rate among American teenagers, as anyone who's ever talked to one knows.
About "promoting" homosexuality: The Thatcherites in the UK got this thing passed saying that homosexuality cannot be discussed in a positive (which to them includes neutral) light in any publicly-owned venue. Since virtually all theatres (for example) are state-owned there, this had quite a stifling effect. Not sure if that's still on the books.
But remember that the so-called "Christian Right" (not very Christian, and dead wrong) assumes that if kids find out about homosexuality, they'll all instantly embrace it, and each other, and have Crisco parties in every locker room. Society would collapse. Earthquakes and rains of frogs would inevitably follow.
I think the idea that teenagers are unaware of homosexuality is absurd. (Hey, people under 20: you know ANYONE your age who's never heard of it?) The problem is getting CORRECT information to them. The reason the "Christian Right" can't stand that is that (quoting my letter to Morning Edition) "ideas like fairness, objectivity, and truthfulness are abhorrent" to them.
Written by: There is no "e" in "Lightning"
How can you "promote" homosexuality? Can you "promote" being Black, or Asian, or red-haired?
In this country, people seem to be under the misconception that "Abstinence is 100% effective."
Of course it is. If compliance is 100%. But if you hold it up the same standards that condoms and contraceptives are held to (which take into account noncompliance), it's very ineffective.
Lightning, I just know we'd be friends for life if we ever met. I just wrote to Morning Edition an hour ago, commenting on "abstinence-only" pregnancy prevention (and sex-ed) curricula. Abstinence has a VERY high failure rate among American teenagers, as anyone who's ever talked to one knows.
About "promoting" homosexuality: The Thatcherites in the UK got this thing passed saying that homosexuality cannot be discussed in a positive (which to them includes neutral) light in any publicly-owned venue. Since virtually all theatres (for example) are state-owned there, this had quite a stifling effect. Not sure if that's still on the books.
But remember that the so-called "Christian Right" (not very Christian, and dead wrong) assumes that if kids find out about homosexuality, they'll all instantly embrace it, and each other, and have Crisco parties in every locker room. Society would collapse. Earthquakes and rains of frogs would inevitably follow.
I think the idea that teenagers are unaware of homosexuality is absurd. (Hey, people under 20: you know ANYONE your age who's never heard of it?) The problem is getting CORRECT information to them. The reason the "Christian Right" can't stand that is that (quoting my letter to Morning Edition) "ideas like fairness, objectivity, and truthfulness are abhorrent" to them.
"If you didn't like something the first time, the cud won't be any good either." --Elsie the Cow, Ruminations
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yeh we had the whoel wrap in primary school 'this is a penis, this is what is does' ect but that was more like how it happpens. not all the other things that tie in with it.
When i was writing my last post on here, my friend sally read the thread and totally agreed me. Her sister is a few years older and went to our school, and she has a gay friend. She and that friend tried to get the school to have better sex ed classes, including about homosexuality, but she failed. They said to her that the lessons were planned out by the gcernment and that there was nothing she could do to change them :rolleyes:
yeh we had the whoel wrap in primary school 'this is a penis, this is what is does' ect but that was more like how it happpens. not all the other things that tie in with it.
When i was writing my last post on here, my friend sally read the thread and totally agreed me. Her sister is a few years older and went to our school, and she has a gay friend. She and that friend tried to get the school to have better sex ed classes, including about homosexuality, but she failed. They said to her that the lessons were planned out by the gcernment and that there was nothing she could do to change them :rolleyes:
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think about it....the right-wing doesn't want to discuss homosexuality and safe sex practices with homosexuals because they think it'll promote gay sex, first off. and secondly, if they don't talk about it, then no information or misinformation will occur, allowing the homosexual population to spread STDs and just kill themselves off. weaksauce. i didn't even know dental dams existed, much less what they were and how to use them, until i was well into college. hell, even the heterosexual population needs to know that info.
think about it....the right-wing doesn't want to discuss homosexuality and safe sex practices with homosexuals because they think it'll promote gay sex, first off. and secondly, if they don't talk about it, then no information or misinformation will occur, allowing the homosexual population to spread STDs and just kill themselves off. weaksauce. i didn't even know dental dams existed, much less what they were and how to use them, until i was well into college. hell, even the heterosexual population needs to know that info.
I was always scared with my mother's obsession with the good scissors. It made me wonder if there were evil scissors lurking in the house somewhere.
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And that's not even a terribly intelligent strategy from their POV, pounce. What do they think, they're going to eliminate the homosexual gene from the population? (If there is one, it's recessive - not going anywhere anytime soon.)
And that's not even a terribly intelligent strategy from their POV, pounce. What do they think, they're going to eliminate the homosexual gene from the population? (If there is one, it's recessive - not going anywhere anytime soon.)
"If you didn't like something the first time, the cud won't be any good either." --Elsie the Cow, Ruminations
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well of course....it's the right wing. they've got Bush representing them. that alone tells you they aren't terribly bright
well of course....it's the right wing. they've got Bush representing them. that alone tells you they aren't terribly bright
I was always scared with my mother's obsession with the good scissors. It made me wonder if there were evil scissors lurking in the house somewhere.
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.
**giggles**
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Actually, the Right as a whole has some VERY bright people...and Bush is only Cheney's sock puppet. He's their charismatic figurehead. I'm waiting for Cheney to actually say "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"
But the "Christian" Right is pretty stupid. They've only been as effective as they have because the Karl Roves of the world know how to mobilize them, and what bones to throw them to get them to do what they want. The trouble is, when you refuse to teach your children to think, a generation later you have a bunch of adults who can't recognize the most obvious bullshit.
Actually, the Right as a whole has some VERY bright people...and Bush is only Cheney's sock puppet. He's their charismatic figurehead. I'm waiting for Cheney to actually say "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"
But the "Christian" Right is pretty stupid. They've only been as effective as they have because the Karl Roves of the world know how to mobilize them, and what bones to throw them to get them to do what they want. The trouble is, when you refuse to teach your children to think, a generation later you have a bunch of adults who can't recognize the most obvious bullshit.
"If you didn't like something the first time, the cud won't be any good either." --Elsie the Cow, Ruminations
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oh so THAT'S what's wrong with Bush
(sorry, on a cynical poking fun mode)
Written by: Xopher
The trouble is, when you refuse to teach your children to think, a generation later you have a bunch of adults who can't recognize the most obvious bullshit.
oh so THAT'S what's wrong with Bush
(sorry, on a cynical poking fun mode)
I was always scared with my mother's obsession with the good scissors. It made me wonder if there were evil scissors lurking in the house somewhere.
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.
**giggles**
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If I remember rightly it was the infamous Clause 28 that was the promotion of homosexuality thing, basically if you said anything along the lines of "gay people can have a loving relationship" it was illegal. There was a big protest and a bunch of semi-famous people came out over it, whether it's been repealed I don't know, you don't hear anything about it anymore.
For the record I was given sex ed by a nun (who later left the order and became a lesbien, but I digress), it was possibly the only class I have ever had where the was complete and utter silence throughout. There was far more emphasis on biology than emotional attachment, and the most outstanding thing I remember was how yellow Sister Marie's teeth were.
If I remember rightly it was the infamous Clause 28 that was the promotion of homosexuality thing, basically if you said anything along the lines of "gay people can have a loving relationship" it was illegal. There was a big protest and a bunch of semi-famous people came out over it, whether it's been repealed I don't know, you don't hear anything about it anymore.
For the record I was given sex ed by a nun (who later left the order and became a lesbien, but I digress), it was possibly the only class I have ever had where the was complete and utter silence throughout. There was far more emphasis on biology than emotional attachment, and the most outstanding thing I remember was how yellow Sister Marie's teeth were.
There is a slight possibility that I am not actually right all of the time.
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Posted:
i find the christian / victorian approach to sex education quite depressing.
great. relying on a celibate bloke from virgin parents who died 2 millenia ago for sex education guidelines. brilliant.
my thoughts now drift to that wonderful sex education class run by john cleese in monty pythons 'the meaning of life'.... which actually told the students what they needed to know
i find the christian / victorian approach to sex education quite depressing.
great. relying on a celibate bloke from virgin parents who died 2 millenia ago for sex education guidelines. brilliant.
my thoughts now drift to that wonderful sex education class run by john cleese in monty pythons 'the meaning of life'.... which actually told the students what they needed to know
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Posted:
Now, Dentrassi. There is nothing in the NT to indicate that Jesus was celibate.
I mean, here we have a young guy with no reported wife or kids running all over the place with 13 other guys.
Hmmmmm....
Now, Dentrassi. There is nothing in the NT to indicate that Jesus was celibate.
I mean, here we have a young guy with no reported wife or kids running all over the place with 13 other guys.
Hmmmmm....
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yeah, i know. but stating it the way i did makes the entire thing sound more absurd.
i wonder how sex education differs in different societies- such as islamic culture?
yeah, i know. but stating it the way i did makes the entire thing sound more absurd.
i wonder how sex education differs in different societies- such as islamic culture?
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Probably in as many varied ways as it is in Western Culture Dentrassi! Though while loathed to comment on it (due to lack of accurate information) I would say it's either as constricted as current US policies (Abstinence and the like) or the like, due to high-religious values of the people, but I'll admit that high religious affliliations do not mean ignorance as some of the christian right show.
Now as for me over here in Canada, we got the original STD and talks like that back when we were 10/11. Mixed classes so the girls had to sit through the guys getting told what puberty was like and the guys heard about what it was like for girls (I think that convinced every guy in my class that we got the better end of the bargain. . .). STD pictures, some symptoms. Talks about drugs and alcohol and the like as well.
However *that* never cropped back up again until Gr. 11 where one of the required courses in CAPP in the province--of which a section is about 2-3 weeks of STD information, sex education (more indepth about contraceptive methods, use of condoms, use of contraceptives like IUD's, looooots of info on STD's--their symptoms, cures, where to get tested etc) and more info on drugs and the like. A bit late by then for those classes IMO--probably better around 14/15, not 16/17.
However having said that, the only teen pregnancy I know of in my school occured *after* graduation and occured to a couple that had been dating for 3+ years. In otherwords it was a unplanned event that shows they slipped up somewhere. . . but I digress.
Fairly liberal here then. . but I'm in a socialist paradise. . .minus the gov't so Left-wing policies control our social agenda 
Probably in as many varied ways as it is in Western Culture Dentrassi! Though while loathed to comment on it (due to lack of accurate information) I would say it's either as constricted as current US policies (Abstinence and the like) or the like, due to high-religious values of the people, but I'll admit that high religious affliliations do not mean ignorance as some of the christian right show.
Now as for me over here in Canada, we got the original STD and talks like that back when we were 10/11. Mixed classes so the girls had to sit through the guys getting told what puberty was like and the guys heard about what it was like for girls (I think that convinced every guy in my class that we got the better end of the bargain. . .). STD pictures, some symptoms. Talks about drugs and alcohol and the like as well.
However *that* never cropped back up again until Gr. 11 where one of the required courses in CAPP in the province--of which a section is about 2-3 weeks of STD information, sex education (more indepth about contraceptive methods, use of condoms, use of contraceptives like IUD's, looooots of info on STD's--their symptoms, cures, where to get tested etc) and more info on drugs and the like. A bit late by then for those classes IMO--probably better around 14/15, not 16/17.
However having said that, the only teen pregnancy I know of in my school occured *after* graduation and occured to a couple that had been dating for 3+ years. In otherwords it was a unplanned event that shows they slipped up somewhere. . . but I digress.
Fairly liberal here then. . but I'm in a socialist paradise. . .minus the gov't so
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I think it is pretty sad when a topic like sex ed is reverted to an "It's all Bush's fault!!" propaganda BS, when teen pregnancy, and STD trasmitions have been steadily growing since Roe vs. Wade.
Lightning I am highly offended by you statment, so I'll just have to tell a mod.
I think we should get rid of sex ed all together, in the format that it is generally tought in.
Teach young people how to have a positive relationship with one another. Teach young guys how to properly respect a woman and teach women how to avoid getting into the trap of an abusive relationship and visa versa as there are abusive women out there and what not.
Human physicality like a girls period and what not should be coverd in a health class like a year before the average person starts in on puberty.
Sure teach about contraceptives and STDs, but I bet that if you have people who are educated in responsible relationships you will find less pregnancies and a decrease in the spread of STDs.
Not to mention less annoying 15 year old pop singers singing about the concept of love that they havnt even truly experianced yet.
I think it is pretty sad when a topic like sex ed is reverted to an "It's all Bush's fault!!" propaganda BS, when teen pregnancy, and STD trasmitions have been steadily growing since Roe vs. Wade.
Lightning I am highly offended by you statment, so I'll just have to tell a mod.
I think we should get rid of sex ed all together, in the format that it is generally tought in.
Teach young people how to have a positive relationship with one another. Teach young guys how to properly respect a woman and teach women how to avoid getting into the trap of an abusive relationship and visa versa as there are abusive women out there and what not.
Human physicality like a girls period and what not should be coverd in a health class like a year before the average person starts in on puberty.
Sure teach about contraceptives and STDs, but I bet that if you have people who are educated in responsible relationships you will find less pregnancies and a decrease in the spread of STDs.
Not to mention less annoying 15 year old pop singers singing about the concept of love that they havnt even truly experianced yet.
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no one said it was all Bush's fault. he certainly has made things worse in the US with his no sex ed policy whatsoever, and those of us who are annoyed at that certainly have the right to voice our opinion. you make it sound like the Roe vs. Wade decision is to blame for the increase in teen pregnancy and STDs. guess what? they were there before but society was so conservative that it was never discussed. the major increase in pregnancies and STDs came at first because of lack of information. and now that we have (somewhat) better information given to teens, teen pregnancy rates are going down. and the number one target at the moment for HIV and other STD infections? married women.
and what about lightning's comment offended you? that he hinted that perhaps jesus was gay? even if it was a joke? or that we should be teaching our youth about homosexual sex as well? there's nothing offensive about that. hey, i think he actually has a valid point, on both cases really.
no one said it was all Bush's fault. he certainly has made things worse in the US with his no sex ed policy whatsoever, and those of us who are annoyed at that certainly have the right to voice our opinion. you make it sound like the Roe vs. Wade decision is to blame for the increase in teen pregnancy and STDs. guess what? they were there before but society was so conservative that it was never discussed. the major increase in pregnancies and STDs came at first because of lack of information. and now that we have (somewhat) better information given to teens, teen pregnancy rates are going down. and the number one target at the moment for HIV and other STD infections? married women.
and what about lightning's comment offended you? that he hinted that perhaps jesus was gay? even if it was a joke? or that we should be teaching our youth about homosexual sex as well? there's nothing offensive about that. hey, i think he actually has a valid point, on both cases really.
I was always scared with my mother's obsession with the good scissors. It made me wonder if there were evil scissors lurking in the house somewhere.
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.
**giggles**
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