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Posted:
For those of you who are quite confident with isolations -
A characteristic of isolations that many people play with but dont do conciously:
When playing an isolated Figure 8 most people play with the hand (not the Poi-Head) leading to the other side.This is easier and bears better control of the isolation. But you can also play with the Poi-Head leading the isolation - and the hand following !
They may not look very different from each other, but the underlying motion is quite different.
When you understand to differenciate, 5 beat isolation become loads easier (but still are veryvery difficult)
For those of you who are quite confident with isolations -
A characteristic of isolations that many people play with but dont do conciously:
When playing an isolated Figure 8 most people play with the hand (not the Poi-Head) leading to the other side.This is easier and bears better control of the isolation. But you can also play with the Poi-Head leading the isolation - and the hand following !
They may not look very different from each other, but the underlying motion is quite different.
When you understand to differenciate, 5 beat isolation become loads easier (but still are veryvery difficult)
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Posted:
whats isolation?
so many terms i dont understand
whats isolation?
so many terms i dont understand
it must be green
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Posted:
basically an isolation is when your hand spins around the poi head.
also called illusions by me, and the person who showed them to me for first time, and possibly a few other people.
basically an isolation is when your hand spins around the poi head.
also called illusions by me, and the person who showed them to me for first time, and possibly a few other people.
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They shouldn't do that no no no
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Posted:
But the center of isolation is still the middle of poi ,so where is the difference?
The difference is if I create the isolation by the head or bythe hand? I dont understand it...
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But the center of isolation is still the middle of poi ,so where is the difference?
The difference is if I create the isolation by the head or bythe hand? I dont understand it...
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Posted:
its all isolations, i think.
i think the difference poi box was talking about was weather you lead across to your other side with the poi head or your hand.
its all isolations, i think.
i think the difference poi box was talking about was weather you lead across to your other side with the poi head or your hand.
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They push+pull tactics are driving me loco
They shouldn't do that no no no
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Posted:
poibox, i totally understand, this is how you do shoulder snakes with poi.
T
poibox, i totally understand, this is how you do shoulder snakes with poi.
T
This is a post by tom, all spelling is deleberate
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Posted:
yer i'm with ya too.
makes for some lovely illusion movements(poihead led isolation exits from uglies as coleman will attest...)(isolated btl stuff too...)
mmmm sorted some tasty snakes after months of polishung them with clubs they trnsfer sooooo gorgeously...
R
yer i'm with ya too.
makes for some lovely illusion movements(poihead led isolation exits from uglies as coleman will attest...)(isolated btl stuff too...)
mmmm sorted some tasty snakes after months of polishung them with clubs they trnsfer sooooo gorgeously...
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Posted:
Horizontal Isolations - I'm up to about 4 beats then it just falls apart and looks crap.
Damn hard, and have a horrible feeling they're a bit pointless *sigh*
Horizontal Isolations - I'm up to about 4 beats then it just falls apart and looks crap.
Damn hard, and have a horrible feeling they're a bit pointless *sigh*
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Posted:
they aren't pointles.. I really dig the effect of and isolated buzzsaw corkscrew going up and down..
they aren't pointles.. I really dig the effect of and isolated buzzsaw corkscrew going up and down..
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the thing i don't like about horizontal isolations is that if i do them as slow as vertical ones i get an egg timer kind of shape with each of the poi and they hit my bottom hand.
gravity bad for flat isolations
the thing i don't like about horizontal isolations is that if i do them as slow as vertical ones i get an egg timer kind of shape with each of the poi and they hit my bottom hand.
gravity bad for flat isolations
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i would have called that a gilligan exit rather than isolated exit but seeing as i don't want to make a liar out of a cat, i will attest just this once.
now, how *do* i 'attest'...?
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makes for some lovely illusion movements (poihead led isolation exits from uglies as coleman will attest.)
i would have called that a gilligan exit rather than isolated exit but seeing as i don't want to make a liar out of a cat, i will attest just this once.
now, how *do* i 'attest'...?
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Posted:
for my part, I'm better at horizonal buzzsaw isolations than vertical ones. I love doing them... they feel sooo good!
for my part, I'm better at horizonal buzzsaw isolations than vertical ones. I love doing them... they feel sooo good!
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yes, i think I'm better at horizontal isolations as well. that's how I learnt them.
I'm still working at the bycicle wheel, that is so hard but damn beautiful!
they all look and feel beautiful. remember when I saw them for the first time at Clapham..
*We're all mad here*
yes, i think I'm better at horizontal isolations as well. that's how I learnt them.
I'm still working at the bycicle wheel, that is so hard but damn beautiful!
they all look and feel beautiful. remember when I saw them for the first time at Clapham..
*We're all mad here*
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Posted:
picked up a poi last night, waggled my hand in a circle for a bit and this is what i figure:
horizontal plane isolations require a constant force by your hand to keep them going.
once you have enough speed, they will stay pretty flat.
vertical isolations are trickier for a very good reason - gravity is fukkinwit'choo.
with the example of a forwards (vertical) isolation, more force is required when your hand is on the top front part of the circle.
this is because the poi will be on its way up (on the other side of the circle) and working against gravity.
hence vertical isolations are a bit trickier.
but it does give you the choice of giving your isolations a 'clunky' quality.
a friend mumbled something about 'isolations with a beat' to me a while back and this optional 'clunk' (the bit where you start applying force to the motion again) is what i would say he was on about.
back to the balls...
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picked up a poi last night, waggled my hand in a circle for a bit and this is what i figure:
horizontal plane isolations require a constant force by your hand to keep them going.
once you have enough speed, they will stay pretty flat.
vertical isolations are trickier for a very good reason - gravity is fukkinwit'choo.
with the example of a forwards (vertical) isolation, more force is required when your hand is on the top front part of the circle.
this is because the poi will be on its way up (on the other side of the circle) and working against gravity.
hence vertical isolations are a bit trickier.
but it does give you the choice of giving your isolations a 'clunky' quality.
a friend mumbled something about 'isolations with a beat' to me a while back and this optional 'clunk' (the bit where you start applying force to the motion again) is what i would say he was on about.
back to the balls...
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Posted:
There should have been another post where I said I got it wrong... where has it gone?
Anyways, I mistook horizontal isolations with a humble isolated weave..
Feeling a bit embarrassed.. all those names are a bit confusing to a non-english-mother tongue
Thanx, scoiattolo, for making me realize. and thanx coleman for trying to explain.
My buzzsaw is getting a bit better, still working at that.
So do horizontal isolations look like a kind of corscrew?
"We are all mad here" L.Carroll
There should have been another post where I said I got it wrong... where has it gone?
Anyways, I mistook horizontal isolations with a humble isolated weave..
Feeling a bit embarrassed.. all those names are a bit confusing to a non-english-mother tongue
Thanx, scoiattolo, for making me realize. and thanx coleman for trying to explain.
My buzzsaw is getting a bit better, still working at that.
So do horizontal isolations look like a kind of corscrew?
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god i love lewis carroll...
i just read alice again and followed it up with the third alice book (by mr. dodgson's literary heir, jeff noon).
it's called 'automated alice' if you're interested.
i really want a copy of this:
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heard a little bit about you from that scoiattolo rosso - you sound lovely
and never, ever say 'humble isolated weave' again - i can't do them no matter how hard i try and they are anything but humble.
seriuosly gorgeous move and in my opinion, much harder to learn than straight isolated buzzsaws ('bicycle wheel').
and yeah, if you can do an isolated 2bt weave, you can do horizontal isolations in the form of an isolated corkscrew.
i've only ever tried turning a buzzsaw on its side and play around with isolating that...
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"We are all mad here" L.Carroll
god i love lewis carroll...i just read alice again and followed it up with the third alice book (by mr. dodgson's literary heir, jeff noon).
it's called 'automated alice' if you're interested.
i really want a copy of this:
Non-Https Image Link
heard a little bit about you from that scoiattolo rosso - you sound lovely
and never, ever say 'humble isolated weave' again - i can't do them no matter how hard i try and they are anything but humble.
seriuosly gorgeous move and in my opinion, much harder to learn than straight isolated buzzsaws ('bicycle wheel').
and yeah, if you can do an isolated 2bt weave, you can do horizontal isolations in the form of an isolated corkscrew.
i've only ever tried turning a buzzsaw on its side and play around with isolating that...
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they do porridge."
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I bought Alice in wonderland for me lady last month. She loved it.
Bread and butterflies
I bought Alice in wonderland for me lady last month. She loved it.
Bread and butterflies
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Posted:
hey, thanx a lot!
*stregAi blushes*
and the lovely scoiattolo told me something about you, too
hope we'll all meet soon.
Carroll is really great. Bought a nice copy of Alice's Adventures in Wonderland last summer in London, and it included Alice's Adventures Underground, apart from an interesting biography and nice pictures. weird to know how he was obsessed by Alice and children in general.
Cool photos link, thank you.
ok, I'll never call any trick humble again.. i'll just go playing
what I still find very hard tho, is to move isolations, without having them wilting.
guess it's just a matter of practicing.
S
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hey, thanx a lot!
*stregAi blushes*
and the lovely scoiattolo told me something about you, too
hope we'll all meet soon.
Carroll is really great. Bought a nice copy of Alice's Adventures in Wonderland last summer in London, and it included Alice's Adventures Underground, apart from an interesting biography and nice pictures. weird to know how he was obsessed by Alice and children in general.
Cool photos link, thank you.
ok, I'll never call any trick humble again.. i'll just go playing
what I still find very hard tho, is to move isolations, without having them wilting.
guess it's just a matter of practicing.
S
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completely off topic but i thought one extra lewis carroll link wouldn't go amiss (especially this story)
Sylvie & Bruno
completely off topic but i thought one extra lewis carroll link wouldn't go amiss (especially this story)
Sylvie & Bruno
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Posted:
i can no make a isolated transition all the way round in a circle.
backwards iso weave into sideways then buzzsaw, then round again then back into iso weave
tis confuzuncing tho
hugonomad
i can no make a isolated transition all the way round in a circle.
backwards iso weave into sideways then buzzsaw, then round again then back into iso weave
tis confuzuncing tho
hugonomad
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Posted:
we could start a thread on Lewis Carroll, instead of posting off topic among isolation problems..
thanx! that's just next book by Carroll i wanted to read
I could print all the chapters plus illustrations from here (at college) and make them deplete of paper.. *mischievious grin*
roscia.
"The adventures first".."explanations take such a dreadful time!"
we could start a thread on Lewis Carroll, instead of posting off topic among isolation problems..
thanx! that's just next book by Carroll i wanted to read
I could print all the chapters plus illustrations from here (at college) and make them deplete of paper.. *mischievious grin*
roscia.
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Posted:
I have finally gotten the isolated 5beat weave... forwards and reverse... I have a few vids but do host. Can anyone help me??
-Kepki2003
I have finally gotten the isolated 5beat weave... forwards and reverse... I have a few vids but do host. Can anyone help me??
-Kepki2003
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I've been thinking about something to do with isolations and stalls that would look great, but i can't get it so i would be VERY happy if someone who is better at horizontal isolations than me could please get it and then post a video so I can see if it looks as awesome as I think it might.
Ok, so one poi is stalling in front of you, just hanging straight down and the other one is doing a horizontal isolation with the centre point at the centre point of the stalling poi. so its going around it. might look a bit like a ufo.
Then after that you could mess round with an upwards stall with just a few beats of isolation around it.
I dunno, It might not work but i think it'd look pretty good, so someone get it and show me! I'll be practicing in the mean time...
I've been thinking about something to do with isolations and stalls that would look great, but i can't get it so i would be VERY happy if someone who is better at horizontal isolations than me could please get it and then post a video so I can see if it looks as awesome as I think it might.
Ok, so one poi is stalling in front of you, just hanging straight down and the other one is doing a horizontal isolation with the centre point at the centre point of the stalling poi. so its going around it. might look a bit like a ufo.
Then after that you could mess round with an upwards stall with just a few beats of isolation around it.
I dunno, It might not work but i think it'd look pretty good, so someone get it and show me! I'll be practicing in the mean time...
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Posted:
already had a bash at that. I actually like to 'drop' the stalled poi in and out of the circles made by the horizontal poi. I like it a lot! Also nice when you isolate with a horizontal circular pendulum but move your hands so that the top poi head is always by your hand (if that makes sense)
I horizontal isos
I'll drop you a vid when I get some time... unless someone else wants to do it?
already had a bash at that. I actually like to 'drop' the stalled poi in and out of the circles made by the horizontal poi. I like it a lot! Also nice when you isolate with a horizontal circular pendulum but move your hands so that the top poi head is always by your hand (if that makes sense)
I
horizontal isosI'll drop you a vid when I get some time... unless someone else wants to do it?
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Posted:
That's awesome, I will be trying the dropping. The pendulum thing sounds cool, I think I know what you mean. I guess I just gotta work on my horizontal isolations. I's just wierd cuz I'm so used to doing them vertical...
When, you're doing the h isolation is your hand above or below the poi? I'm guessin its easier with it above yeah?
Thanks for replying so quickly, tis much appreciated!
That's awesome, I will be trying the dropping. The pendulum thing sounds cool, I think I know what you mean. I guess I just gotta work on my horizontal isolations. I's just wierd cuz I'm so used to doing them vertical...
When, you're doing the h isolation is your hand above or below the poi? I'm guessin its easier with it above yeah?
Thanks for replying so quickly, tis much appreciated!
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above=much easier
below= very difficult!
I do hand above generally as it feels nicer and is easier to hold in front of you
above=much easier
below= very difficult!
I do hand above generally as it feels nicer and is easier to hold in front of you
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doing horizontal isolations with your hand constantly below the poi head severely pisses off god - he spent ages making grtavity work and when you do stuff that breaks it, he gets very upset.
just saying, i wouldn't try it if i were you
cole. x
doing horizontal isolations with your hand constantly below the poi head severely pisses off god - he spent ages making grtavity work and when you do stuff that breaks it, he gets very upset.
just saying, i wouldn't try it if i were you
cole. x
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Posted:
I like buttefly buzzsaw from normal to splittime to isolated and back to regular, i encourage all of you to learn this. and the reverse buzzsaw isolation is much harder for me to learn. The weave isolated is so very hard!!! I can do 1 bt of isolation on my revewrse weave on either side but ti doesnt cross over isolated.
those three beat isolated at the sides moves fond on mots place https://www.motsplace.com/poi/iso1.html
is outrageous and I intend to learn it.!!!
I like buttefly buzzsaw from normal to splittime to isolated and back to regular, i encourage all of you to learn this. and the reverse buzzsaw isolation is much harder for me to learn. The weave isolated is so very hard!!! I can do 1 bt of isolation on my revewrse weave on either side but ti doesnt cross over isolated.
those three beat isolated at the sides moves fond on mots place https://www.motsplace.com/poi/iso1.html
is outrageous and I intend to learn it.!!!
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Posted:
wow,
thanks for resurecting this thread
isolation has been kinda eclipsed by inversions recently, anyone come up with some funky new applications?
saw some nice isolated wallplne crossers from a tall skinny italian guy...
T
wow,
thanks for resurecting this thread
isolation has been kinda eclipsed by inversions recently, anyone come up with some funky new applications?
saw some nice isolated wallplne crossers from a tall skinny italian guy...
T
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OMG. Isolated crossers are like... SOO pre-butterfly inversion. I mean, like, you dont even need to be tall and skinny to do them anymore. Gawd.
Isolated insides is where its at
OMG. Isolated crossers are like... SOO pre-butterfly inversion. I mean, like, you dont even need to be tall and skinny to do them anymore. Gawd.
Isolated insides is where its at
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Posted:
man inversions and insides are sooo two years ago, you people need to catch up..
man inversions and insides are sooo two years ago, you people need to catch up..
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