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Posted: 11th Nov 2003


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Posted: 11th Nov 2003
(NOTE: this is my own version, with arms always held side-by-side)

conceptual description only.

begin with a buzzsaw butterfly.

now make the chains hit eachother (form a nexus)

after the chains cross, turn your body 90 degrees so the butterfly and "nexus" are on the outside.

depending on the number of beats you allowed the nexus to form, it will now either come undone (one beat)...

or you will need to turn your body a further 90 degrees (a total of 180 degrees from start) and bring the nexus inside (buzzsaw possition) to release the nexus (two or three beat).

your arms should remain apart with slight tension on the poi during the nexus, (pull arms apart very gentle, but not so the chains slide against eachother)

[ 13. November 2003, 03:40: Message edited by: DJ Dantana ]

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Posted: 11th Nov 2003
i don't yet understand this trick properly yet and cannot spin it consistantly with aerotechs (my qualifier for poi) so in the true hop tradition i shall dive in and try and explain it to ya.
that was a joke - please now, don't anyone get all uppity

position 1: spin a reverse butterfly in front of you.
position two: turn at your waist 90deg to your left and spin the butterfly between your outstretched arms (buzzsaw butterfly) - you should have right poi spinning inside right arm with the poi spinning towards you on top half of circle and left poi spinning inside left arm, poi spinning away from you on top half of circle.
go from there back to position one.
position three: this is the same as position two but on your right (again just turn at your waist 90deg to your right and spin the butterfly between your arms).

practice going between these three (121312131...) with only one full circle (one beat) in each position.

get this transition feeling really solid, and by solid i mean specifically two things; ensure that your arms stay at a constant height from the ground and that as far as possible the distance between your hands remains the same.
these are the basic movements you will need.

now you need to learn how to tangle.
start in position two (buzzsaw butterfly on your left hand side) and skew the plane of your right poi so that it crosses the plane of the left poi on the top half of their circles (if it makes sense, this equates to rotating the right poi plane anticlockwise around your right hand).
[with this last instruction you may find it easier to skew the left poi plane only instead, or as id o, both poi planes but it makes it easier to understand with just one plane skewed]
as the tangled poi enter the bottom half of their swings, bring the poi back out to position one where they will spin a circle whilst tangled.
as they pass the horizontal on their way up again, move to poisition three and let them untangle.

it should look similar to the move you learnt without the tangle except with a tangle!

that's essentially true but basically it will look the same as the first move except the circle in position one will be a smaller, faster moving, tangled circle.

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good luck.


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Posted: 13th Nov 2003
cheers people i now have something to occupy myself for a good 5 years trying to get that.

i'll have it one day though.....

Many thanks

tennis

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Posted: 13th Nov 2003
and just to sentence you to 5yrs to life in poi prison, that trick can be done in both directions (i.e. to left/right) and with the poi inside the arms going in either direction. once you get the feeling for one way-which is quite easy when you get the knack of it, the other ways come straight away.

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Posted: 13th Nov 2003
thanks colm.

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Posted: 5th Mar 2004
It could be new topic, but since there are not many people differentiating between hyperloops and airwraps I post it here.

The move as described above (Hyperloop Butterfly) involves the tangling between the arms in a buzzsaw position.
But you dont have to tangle it between the arms and there are different levels of Butterfly Airwraps that involve the good old TTN

Level 1: The classical mess up. Cross the planes of a butterfly. Just teach the TTN to a beginner and you know what I mean ( again). The Chains touch, (they dont really tangle) on the bottom and "untouch" (if you are not a beginner) at the top - or vice versa. The chains touch each other 50% of the time. Pointless move imho but poi is poi and it is always good to know.

Level 2: You have to be capable OF DOING a 4 beat TTN in order to do this one. Classical position Right arm on top but left hand Poi on top (Crossed arms so to say). Now when doing this just pull your hands into normal (not crossed) position. The chains tangle but the Point of tangle moves up and down the chain with the movement of the butterfly. The chains are tangled 100% of the time. You can exit the same way into a 4 beat TTN.

Level 3: You have to be capable TO ENTER into a 6 beat TTN in order to do this one. Same as above with the difference that the chains tangle one more time. This way you end up in the same Butterfly Hyperloop which has been described before by Dantana and co - with the difference that you dont have to enter via a buzzsaw. This is important when you use very long Poi or you want to have the tangle close to the handles. Getting out of it using TTN movement . . . . im still working on this one :

Poi change Planes and are limited in length (due to buzzsaw origin) -> Buzzsaw Hyperloop
Poi doesnt change Plane, and can be done with infinitely long Poi -> Buzzsaw Airwrap

(I am sure Rev understands. btw did I mention that you can do this one in 4 different ways? )


All those are in my oppinion best practiced horizontally. Just play with a horizontal butterfly and sooner or later they will tangle. Split time is more difficult !

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Posted: 5th Mar 2004
i learnt something the other day with a butterfly and a tangle in it.

its pretty easy so im not sure what it is. dosnt seem to fit any of the descriptions above....

i do it on my right hand side, i move my right poi into buzzsaw butterfly position, left poi stays outside my arms.

then i attempt to cross the poi over so the left is coming inside and the right outside (towards my front).

as this happens the poi tangle for a bit, and the right poi prevents the left poi from coming inside, and both stay in front of my arms, and come untangled...

hmmm, that discription dsont make much sense, im sorry.

but id like to know what move im doing

hmm, it looks quite cool to.

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Posted: 5th Mar 2004
Sounds like the First one of the versions I described above. It stays on one side, untangles immediately and only tangles for a bit . . .

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Posted: 5th Mar 2004
maybe...

but theres no ttn involved

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Posted: 11th Mar 2004
Hi Tennis,

T&B (Tim) can do them,

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Posted: 11th Mar 2004
poibox, thanks so much for thoes ideas about butterfly airwraps. been playing with them a bit, some intresting phenomona...

from a forwards wall plane bottom entry airwrap. cross your right hand on top into the 4 bt ttn position, it goes into the continious wrap you described, however, cross the other way the the hyp comes undone compleatly.

I wonder how this will apply if you turn it....

T

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Posted: 11th Mar 2004
and again. after a good nights workshop (and a horrible trip home ) i havnt turned it, but ive put it over my head.

same entry as above, take it over your head but with your arms crossed (I have right on top of left for a beat then pull to the front to unwrap. Its similar to the move described above but its a full on tangle, and the other is a double catch.

Its comming out totally atomised at the moment, but thats cool too.

T

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Posted: 17th Apr 2004
Someone just told me that a butterfly/buzzsaw hyperloop is the same thing as a pinwheel hyperloop. Is that true? I thought that with the buzzsaw hyperloops, the poi continue to move in opposite directions. I'd really like to learn the one where they move in the same direction (i.e. like a pinwheel). I haven't been able to find any instructions on that one. Any suggestions?

Thanks!

Joy

Posted: 17th Apr 2004
im not sure what a pinwheel hyperloop is. if im a geussing person, and i am, id say it was a buzzsaw hyperloop, which is the poi spinning in the same diretion, tangled up in between your arms.


butterfly one is the one you get into from a butterfly and the poi spin towards/away from each other.

i think you want to learn the buzzsaw one, so i reckon youll find instructions on how to do that, by doing a search, or checking out the tangles thread.

hope i have helped

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Posted: 26th Apr 2004
is there like some sort of site where i can go and find out the moves u r talkin bout... like the butterfly hyperloop and the buzzsaw thing. do u knoe of any other sites tat have different moves to the ones on here coz i can do them all and im gettin realy bored of just repeating them all the time.

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Posted: 26th Apr 2004
are you trying to tell us you can do every move on this site?

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Posted: 27th Apr 2004
I have a feeling this young one just isn't quite getting it , these aren't just your basic butterflies, buzzsaw, weaves, or any other move you can think of...

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Posted: 27th Apr 2004
chappas - The poi lessons on HoP are only the tip of the iceberg. Look through this forum and you'll find literally hundreds of ideas and in the video forum you'll find some amazingly inspirational videos.
Happy hunting!

Posted: 22nd Feb 2006
*Bump!* Because this thread's awesome. I've been playing with the airwrap and hyperloop over the past couple of days and they're ace. I found that when you come out of the airwrap the planes are slightly skewed. Initially I just pulled them straight, but today I found that If you just let them do their own thing they wrap up again at the bottom of the spin and you can carry them back around the other side, so you've turned 360 degrees and you're back where you started lovely lovely lovely.

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Posted: 27th Feb 2006
yeah thats what i've found too, tom.
way to go!

a bit more ungangley looking than weave hyp's, tho... imo.

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Posted: 19th Apr 2006
re-bump! just so i dont lose it again and have to go through the tedious effort of durbsing for it again.

i seem to be able to enter these butterfloops from most directions - but still struggling to master the exits... methinks i have to play with incorporating some 4bt TTN at the end or something.

E.

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Posted: 20th Apr 2006
Yeah, the exits are a bugger, it's very easy to lose momentum as you bring them across to exit. I found that, for me, its all about timing and keeping track of where the poi heads are supposed to be going, if I mess up I end up spinning backwards >,<

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Posted: 25th Apr 2006
You either need to start powering them straight away on exit or "bounce" the tangle to keep momentum - the latter is sloppier, but easier. The angle on exit needs to be a lot tighter with bfloops than normal hloops as well...

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Posted: 25th Apr 2006

 Written by: spiralx


You either need to start powering them straight away on exit or "bounce" the tangle to keep momentum - the latter is sloppier, but easier. The angle on exit needs to be a lot tighter with bfloops than normal hloops as well...

i don't know if i'd call it "sloppier". there's a lot you can do with that bounce. i'm still working on all the physics for chain sliding these back and forth, but just because something CAN be made to look like a clean line or a clean circle doesn't always mean it SHOULD.

kill the notion of planes. every point is a sphere. timing is infinitly divisible. break the mind of logic.

Posted: 25th Apr 2006

 Written by: spiralx


You either need to start powering them straight away on exit or "bounce" the tangle to keep momentum - the latter is sloppier, but easier. The angle on exit needs to be a lot tighter with bfloops than normal hloops as well...

sorry Sprial but I have to say no, no and no. Bounce is beautiful, you just need to bounce better
It's not easier, both require te exact same technique for plane control to make them work. They're equally skilled.
Angles in/out (or planes in/out) and hand positions are all as important as each other. They both contribute to a nice tight butterfloop.

Dut....but logic is purdy I hear ya tho

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Posted: 25th Apr 2006
hooray got the exits working happily now! i do need to work on the plane control during the actually butterfloop though - sometimes they collide (especially on the beat between unlooping the butterfly and finishing off the with the TTN). - it seems a bit like the one handed butterfly in that there's a certain wrist flick to time with the bounce that keeps them on non-intersecting planes.

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Posted: 30th Apr 2006
i been doing the airwrap butterfly, the middle part of this move (the bit infront of you) well on the down beat i move the poi to under my arms and thread them through as if it was an inside butterlfy wrap. I will put a video up of this as soon as my sister gets back from holiday with my camera but just wondering if anyone elce knows what i mean or does this as it feels and looks very coool.