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They have taken on Jerry Springer: The Opera, the BBC and are now are planning to tackle abortion clinics. So who are Christian Voice?
Plenty of people have things to say about Christian Voice. John Cryer, MP, called them "fundamentalist thugs". The moderator of the United Reformed church calls them "a disgrace".
Their controversial protests against the "blasphemy" of Jerry Springer: The Opera involved publishing the home phone numbers of BBC executives. They also persuaded cancer charity Maggie's Centres to turn down a £3,000 donation from the show, threatening demonstrations.
Now they are planning to take on abortion clinics. So who is behind this group?
They are a small protest network, led by Stephen Green who describes himself as ex-Anglican and ex-building trade.
The heart of his mission is to return Britain to the 1950s. Back then, he says, it was a Christian country. Ever since, it has been turning away from God and sinking into immorality. Mr Green says he can cite 57 laws that have corrupted Britain in that time.
The "blasphemy and profanity" exemplified by Jerry Springer: The Opera are only two of his concerns. Others include familiar evangelical targets such as divorce and homosexuality; he has a particular concern over gay police. Less obvious enemies include globalisation, GM crops and the EU ("an antichrist totalitarian regime").
This kind of treatment is exactly what our Lord Jesus Christ said that those who follow him should expect
Stephen Green
He is currently angered by the royal wedding, which he condemns, whether in church or registry office.
"Colonel and Mrs Parker Bowles should have been divorced for adultery, but they weren't because that would have been too embarrassing," he says. "So in the eyes of God they are still married."
He likens Christian Voice to John the Baptist who preached against the incestuous marriage of King Herod.
"We're saying to the Prince of Wales: 'You cannot have your brother's wife.' This woman is still married to someone else."
Mr Green has been leading Christian Voice for more than a decade, without causing much of a stir, and became its first full-time employee only 15 months ago.
He is cagey about membership figures, but indicates that they are more than 600. By way of comparison, the Evangelical Alliance lobby group represents about a million Christians.
Notoriety
The new prominence of Christian Voice seems to be largely a matter of good luck and good timing, although depending on your position it may be the influence of the good Lord.
It had previously led anti-blasphemy campaigns targeting the BBC, the Sunday Mirror, Peter Tatchell, and the play Corpus Christi.
But in complaining about Jerry Springer, it had an enemy that caught the imaginations and consciences of a large number of Christians, so it was able - by a viral e-mail and letter campaign - to mobilise the phones of many people not usually connected with Christian Voice.
Mr Green has then multiplied the impact of that campaign through the offence caused by his choice of soft targets. First Christian Voice gained major media coverage when it was reported that BBC executives received death threats after he published their home numbers.
Now the cancer charity Maggie's Centres has turned down a donation from the opera, and Christian Voice is heard loud and clear again.
The publicity that came to Christian Voice over the reported death threats was obviously unintended, but Mr Green is clearly eager to capitalise on his notoriety, using it to get his anti-abortion protest on the front pages.
Yet, when I suggest to him that Springer has been good for Christian Voice, he is ambivalent. He does not seem to have been inundated with money and new members, but has had plenty of threats and abuse over the phone. (Mr Green's website is, to be fair, as free with his own phone number as he was with others'.)
"This kind of treatment is exactly what our Lord Jesus Christ said that those who follow him should expect," he says.
On the other hand, when I tell him of John Cryer's statement that Christian Voice are "fundamentalist thugs", he seems rather to relish this kind of persecution.
'Disrepute'
"He ought to wash his mouth out with soap and water," he declares. "He should withdraw those comments or resign. He brings politics into disrepute."
But he talks neither in anger or sadness - he laughs heartily and seems to be enjoying himself.
Mr Green disapproves of teaching about other religions in school and especially the celebration of Diwali.
Nevertheless, he has some admiration for Sikh protests in Birmingham against the play Behzti, but says Christian Voice "don't throw stones through theatre windows".
Would he draw the line at breaking the law? Green answers thoughtfully: "Yes... unless the law contravenes the law of God."
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Written by: Joe
Oh come off it, the only graphic word I used in that post was expell, and I posted it in a thread about anal sex, whats the point in dancing around the houses at that point so late in too an allready adult thread.
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Written by: Skulduggery
So let me get this straight Joe, you think that people kissing passionatly and partners touching each other in public is offensive but discussing anal sex on an public internet forum is fine?
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Oh come off it, the only graphic word I used in that post was expell, and I posted it in a thread about anal sex, whats the point in dancing around the houses at that point so late in too an allready adult thread.
So as long as someone else has already done something that others might find offensive it's ok to drop your morals and join in?
If you can't see how hypocritical that sounds then I'm with MCP
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God CAN pick and choose who he condemns. He's GOD, he can do what he likes!He's already done it, it's in the bible. He hates gays, doesn't mind gang rape, and you shouldn't do any work on a sunday. And you should love your neighbour. Shame prince charles isn't your neighbour.
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Unless of course you can see the joys of throwing your feces around a zoo on a weekend.
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So let me get this straight Joe, you think that people kissing passionatly and partners touching each other in public is offensive but discussing anal sex on an public internet forum is fine?
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Oh come off it, the only graphic word I used in that post was expell, and I posted it in a thread about anal sex, whats the point in dancing around the houses at that point so late in too an allready adult thread.
So as long as someone else has already done something that others might find offensive it's ok to drop your morals and join in?
If you can't see how hypocritical that sounds then I'm with MCP
I didnt force anyone to scroll down to the Xth page of posts and read the one that I wrote, and I'll also add (this goes for you as well mcp) that actions speak louder than words, comparing the two is utterly rediculouse. That and I noticed you where in that thread aswell skully, where is your comdemnation to everyone else who posted about sexual activitys? Oh thats right you wont bother writting any up because you like to stick your claws in one person at a time, witch.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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Love is the law.
the best smiles are the ones you lead to
Love is the law.
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any which way, I can see a difference between posting about sexual pratices and performing them - don't you?
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"the still legendary" - Kaskade
I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.
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any which way, I can see a difference between posting about sexual pratices and performing them - don't you?
Not when you're talking about the public visibility of them. Which is what we're talking about. There is a small technological barrier in the different between a public forum and a public space. I don't see why we should treat them differently.
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have you ever posted or did you ever say something that offended others? well I did and ppl started to pick on me from all sides, deliberately not wanting to understand what I was pointing at and taring me to pieces... I tell you: it feels![]()
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just because Joe is gay, doesn't mean that he has to be tolerant,
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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any which way, I can see a difference between posting about sexual pratices and performing them - don't you?
Not when you're talking about the public visibility of them. Which is what we're talking about. There is a small technological barrier in the different between a public forum and a public space. I don't see why we should treat them differently.
Writing about "rear end intercourse" in public and actually doing it on Leicester Square (wherever that is) in your lunchbreak appears to be different.... at least to me![]()
"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade
I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.
the best smiles are the ones you lead to
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@MCP: If you think a post is inapropriate, you may report it to the mods, they will check and delete it. Period. You are just as much the ambassador of moral consciousness on this board as anyone else - yet the final executive... got my point?
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But if you dare to predicate that I'd HATE Muslims and Chinese, etc. I have the right to set the record straight and I may point on evidence to back this up, no?
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Sure we do not have to tolerate mistakes that are likely to inflict on childrens rights, "just because they are human" but what does any of this has to do with Brit_Joe disliking ppl kissing in public?
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It sounds awfully conservative to me: Just because s/o posted something in the past, he's forfeited his right to word his opinion - on another subject - that might appear contradictory. At least if he does so, he's got to accept that everyone starts yelling at him and everybody else has to stand aside and watch... sorry dude, this is not how MY world works
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"the still legendary" - Kaskade
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...I neither respect them, nor their point of view. Their idoelogy goes completely against anything that I consider OK and therefore I personally find it totally OK to rant and dump on people who are:
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h) Muslims
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n) people who believe in different faiths, scientific theories or lifestyle, or ideologies in general than my own
q) Chinese...
The list goes on...
Let's pick... Muslims: If their view of the world prevails and conquers the planet, I will loose a lot of freedom and be engaged in numerous religious duties and such...
Let's pick... Chinese: If they continue to work for no money, I will loose any reasonable way of income, if they continue to demand more resources as they currently are, there will be none left soon and if they continue to exploit the planet as they are, it will get destroyed...
Therefore I think they all should be put into madhouses and cured from their mental illness. There is no justification for being (part of) any of the above...
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade
I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.