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LemonkeyStalking amidst the desert, carrying an oversized scalpel...
1,019 posts
Location: Huddersfield + Hull Uni... UK.


Posted:
Righto.

I'm living in a house with 3 other guys next year. I initially thought all were sensible, hard working people. I'm correct about two of the members, but the other one I can see him being a problem.

Was talking to him yesterday and he says to me -

"i'm going to have a White Widow in the house next year".

[censored] genius. He says it's not illegal to own and grow your own plant, due to the reclassification of cannabis to a Class C drug.

I'm not a stoner and have never even tried weed, but I condone it's use. I've no problem with people using it, but growing a plant just seems a step above smoking. The implications that it could be used to deal and whatnot. Now, I think what he is doing is stupidly selfish. Although I don't know the laws behind it, but I don't want to get a criminal record for drugs when this nob is being selfish enough to grow a plant in a house with non-weed smokers; especially when we designated me "Head of Household" on the contract! Hope that doesn't put all blame on me...

After I gave him some [censored] about it last night he has now decided to grow himself a hemp plant. Which (according to my research) has just a tiny amount of THC and is grown legally through Europe. I'm still not happy with this, but I seriously cannot see this guy backing down and not having his plant. He's an arrogant moron to be honest.

His reason - "wanting to be rebellious".

Wow, he's so cool. He's gone up twenty respect points in my book!

So that's my rant over, have just one question -

Is it legal to grow hemp on your own property?

Willy - is bad for your health...


misscorinthianSILVER Member
old hand
784 posts
Location: Bristol, United Kingdom


Posted:
I believe it is BUT only if you have a licence to do so, and it can only be legally used for making textiles.

Surely there are other ways he can be "rebellious". Suggest he moons at a policeman or something and see where that gets him... shrug

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TinklePantsGOLD Member
Clique Infiltrator, Cunning Linguist and Master Debator
4,219 posts
Location: Edinburgh burgh burrrrrr, United Kingdom


Posted:
I think its ok for medicinal use, but i'm not sure, it probably is still illegal no matter what. I think you need to do some googling my friend!

Or ask a stoner wink

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Loki_the_tricksterSILVER Member
Has sharp edges
1,266 posts
Location: Stuck in the mire, USA


Posted:
I'd say have a house vote and see if the rest of the housemates agree with you. If its a three to one vote against having the plant then he shouldn't be allowed to have it. If he has such a problem with it then well......ask him to move out and find a replacement for him so the rent doesn't have to be split three ways as opposed to four.
Good luck with it. I've had problems like this with housemates before and it can be rather difficult to work out but like I said it should be ok with everyone in the house because if there is a bust its all of you not just him that will be getting in trouble for it.
Hope it works out for you hug

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BirgitBRONZE Member
had her carpal tunnel surgery already thanks v much
4,145 posts
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland (UK)


Posted:
if nothing else works, find out what kills hemp plants before they get big and put a bit inside the flowerpot every day when he's lying stoned in the corner smile

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LemonkeyStalking amidst the desert, carrying an oversized scalpel...
1,019 posts
Location: Huddersfield + Hull Uni... UK.


Posted:
 Written by: TinklePants


Or ask a stoner wink



That's why I posted it on HoP. wink


Googling came up with several sites, but as we all know, not everything on the net can be trusted. I was hoping some law-studying HoPper would know of a website with the actual laws, a government website or something.

Willy - is bad for your health...


PyroWillGOLD Member
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4,437 posts
Location: Staines, United Kingdom


Posted:
Hey mate,

Where abouts are you living this year? his name isnt ricki is it?

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UCOFSILVER Member
15,417 posts
Location: South Wales


Posted:
What I reckon I know:



1) Cannabis is still totally illegal. That means it is still illegal to cultivate/ smoke/ sniff/ inject it. If he says he can grow weed due to it being reclassified, tell him he is talking rubbish.



2) If he wants to grow hemp, by all means let him. Hemp contains NO THC at all, so if he smokes it, he wont get stoned at all. ubblol



You could always tell him you are going to buy some spider killer biggrin

NOnactivist for HoPper liberation.
1,643 posts
Location: ffidrac


Posted:
There's some weird loophole in the classification that means a lot of high street shops can get away with selling cannibis seeds, and although it's illegal to grow, hold in your posession or deal anything from that plant, he might get off lighter if it's only enough for personal use. The only problem with it being a shared house is you could all be implicated, so def. try the weedkiller.

As for industrial hemp, even that's illegal in most countries despite the fact that it's fibres can be used in textiles, paper, there's even a company developing hemp based plastics and fibreglass. (they came to my uni smile) UK seems to produce quite a few hemp based products so i'm not sure where the hemp is sourced from, as i think this is an EU agricultural law, but possibly the UK has some special arrangement for only growers with a license... This doesn't have much to do with your problem, but i thought that was quite interesting that actually even industrail hemp was illegal even though as UCOF said there are no THCs and about a million different applications with ecological benefits...

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hamamelisBRONZE Member
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756 posts
Location: Bouncing off the walls., England (UK)


Posted:
Uhh.. You can't grow hemp in this county without a licence, there are a few places that do have one

(I remember reading in an old paper that Alnwick Gardens in Northumberland had got one and someone had just broke in and stolen all their plants),

which is possibly where the companies that deal in hemp products get them from.



As the 'head of the household' I'm pretty sure you'd be counted as 'equally responsible' in the same way nightclub owners are counted as responsible for drug taking on their premeses. Unless you could prove you knew nothing at all about it, possibly..



You can legally buy hemp seed, by the way, because it's a very good bird seed. Bird seed suppliers sterilize the stuff first, but it's not actually a legal requirement, which is where the legal packets of seed come from.



You could try switching his seed for birdie food.. that stuff never germinates.. smile



Whichever way you look at it though, the guy's acting like a jerk..
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UCOFSILVER Member
15,417 posts
Location: South Wales


Posted:
Whilst trying to find info on the laws in the UK, I found this. Shame its not up to date, it is interesting anyway.

LemonkeyStalking amidst the desert, carrying an oversized scalpel...
1,019 posts
Location: Huddersfield + Hull Uni... UK.


Posted:
 Written by: Loki_the_trickster


I'd say have a house vote and see if the rest of the housemates agree with you. If its a three to one vote against having the plant then he shouldn't be allowed to have it. If he has such a problem with it then well......ask him to move out and find a replacement for him so the rent doesn't have to be split three ways as opposed to four.
Good luck with it. I've had problems like this with housemates before and it can be rather difficult to work out but like I said it should be ok with everyone in the house because if there is a bust its all of you not just him that will be getting in trouble for it.
Hope it works out for you hug



Aye the vote is a good idea, but I don't see him willingly moving out if we ask him to leave. Hopefully he can be gently/violently persuaded against growing this plant...

 Written by: Birgit


if nothing else works, find out what kills hemp plants before they get big and put a bit inside the flowerpot every day when he's lying stoned in the corner smile



Now that's a brilliant idea! hug

 Written by: PyroWill


Hey mate,

Where abouts are you living this year? his name isnt ricki is it?



Cott Road. Nope, it's not Ricki. Although I have a feeling I know who you mean...

 Written by: triskaidekia

As the 'head of the household' I'm pretty sure you'd be counted as 'equally responsible' in the same way nightclub owners are counted as responsible for drug taking on their premeses.



frown Tis what I'm mainly worried about. If he goes to buy his own weed at least it'll be stored only in his room, showing he's the only user.


Thanks for the advice and sharing of weedlaw-knowledge guys. hug

Willy - is bad for your health...


EeraBRONZE Member
old hand
1,107 posts
Location: In a test pit, Mackay, Australia


Posted:
Anyone remember those hemp t-shirts that were in vogue in the early 90s? I had one with a warning label which read "if you attempt to smoke this product you will get nothing but a headache."

As far as I'm aware, one plant isn't going to get him far, as long as he takes the blame if it all goes pear-shaped, why not?

I can sympathised with your dilemma though; in my first year of university our house was raided by the police as it turned out one of the flatmates was producing Crack in the oven.

There is a slight possibility that I am not actually right all of the time.


DominoSILVER Member
UnNatural Scientist - Currently working on a Breville-legged monkey
757 posts
Location: Bath Uni or Shrewsbury, UK


Posted:
I've got a hemp tshirt with a label that politely asks you "Please do not smoke this shirt". If you (need to) opt for the weed killer, you seem to have two choices. Loads so it dies, or a tiny bit at a time so it gets really weak and slowly wastes away.

Anyway. If you do have to go for that then be prepared for a huuuge argument when he finds out.

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BirgitBRONZE Member
had her carpal tunnel surgery already thanks v much
4,145 posts
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland (UK)


Posted:
how would he find out? smile doesn't need to be proper weedkiller, I'm sure a lot of household substances would do smile

and I'm doubtful about the "if he takes the blame" part, from the way lemonkey says he's been acting wink

"vices are like genitals - most are ugly to behold, and yet we find that our own are dear to us."
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PsyriSILVER Member
artisan
1,576 posts
Location: Berkshire, UK


Posted:
ok hemp plant- I have been informed by a very good freind of mine who knows his smokes. Its illegal unless you have a license and the plant must be male. (btw I'm in the Hudds area just so you know its local)

SkulduggeryGOLD Member
Pirate Pixie Crew Captain
8,428 posts
Location: Wales


Posted:
I don't agree with all the underhand weed killer solutions. Get all the people living in the house together and have a frank open discussion about it. You might find this is just one issue you don't agree on and you have to take a vote. If you can't agree or the discussion turns up more problems that you hadn't known before, it might be time to find new house mates. If the vote goes against you, but you realise you do like these people and still want to go forward and rent with them, express your concerns about being the designated "Head of Household" and see if that can be changed to the guy insisting on growing illegal substances.

Good luck.

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DominoSILVER Member
UnNatural Scientist - Currently working on a Breville-legged monkey
757 posts
Location: Bath Uni or Shrewsbury, UK


Posted:
Ah, I have the answer!

Pet caterpillar! ubbrollsmile

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LemonkeyStalking amidst the desert, carrying an oversized scalpel...
1,019 posts
Location: Huddersfield + Hull Uni... UK.


Posted:
He said to me that if I find proof that it's illegal then he won't buy one. I found him the proof regarding how it's illegal without a license and he just told me that he's already bought it. Fantastic. Might attempt to do as Skully advised - attempting him to re-sign the contract as HoH.

I have a feeling I'll be going for the underhand plant-killing tactic. He won't find out - I'm sneaky, and he's not too bright. wink

Willy - is bad for your health...


colemanSILVER Member
big and good and broken
7,330 posts
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay, United Kingdom


Posted:
 Written by: Lemonkey


He said to me that if I find proof that it's illegal then he won't buy one. I found him the proof regarding how it's illegal without a license and he just told me that he's already bought it. Fantastic. Might attempt to do as Skully advised - attempting him to re-sign the contract as HoH.



i would tell him that you've made your opinion known about him growing in the house and that wwith that going on, you're not comfortable being HoH any more.

as you agreed to it before he bought the plant so that's a completely fair decision.

tell him that as the current HoH you either want the plant out or him to take over as HoH.

tell him that whatever happens, you'll be going to the landlord - either with him to transfer the HoH over to him, or to tell them what is going on on their premises and to let them know that you do not condone it.

to be honest though, he sounds like a cretin.


careful with the weedkiller plan - if you use that stuff and he smokes the plant and subsequently becomes ill (due to smoking seriously harmful chemicals), that would not be a nice situation to find yourself in...


cole. x

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BirgitBRONZE Member
had her carpal tunnel surgery already thanks v much
4,145 posts
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland (UK)


Posted:
there's safe ways of killing plants you plan to smoke. Though of course the plan was to kill it before it's big enough for a harvest wink But I did say "if all else fails", didn't I? (Just for those who think I'm an evil plant-killing madwoman)



But then he doesn't plan to smoke it, does he. And that there's not much THC in it.



But given how trustworthy he is, do we believe that?



Taking this a step further, given how trustworthy he's been so far, do you WANT him as your HoH, being responsible for bills being paid on time and split fairly? Not wanting to diss someone I've never met, but he doesn't sound like the most reliable of people shrug
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PyrolificBRONZE Member
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3,289 posts
Location: Adelaide, South Australia


Posted:
so loads of people on this thread are advocating underhanded/dishonest and potentially dangerous methods of solving this 'massive' problem.

Have you guys thought about how this guy might react?

How about we look at it from another perspective for a bit.

Im assuming that this guy is a smoker?

Is it better for him to be buying from a dealer than to grow his own? Obviously if he has to go to a dealer he will be more likely to have access to other more dodgy stuff and plus he's potentially supporting organised crime by buying from pro dealers. Is that a good thing? No. If you cared about this guy you'd let him take a minute risk so that he's not taking a bigger one. But I dont think you do care about him.

Whats the actual penalty? does anyone know of anyone who actually has been busted for one plant? what happened?

here in Oz its illegal too but the penalty is a slap on the wrist, because (I think) thankfully the powers that be prefer more people who are almost legal citizens and arent really harming anyone vs a blackmarket populated by dealers who are more likely to be related to organised crime.

Get this guy to be HoH (WTF does that actually mean anyhow? is there a legal implication?) and be done with it. I mean you are talking like he's setting up an amphetamine factory - do you think that perhaps you might be going a bit overboard?

Lemonkey, Its obvious you dont care about this guy - why dont you give him the boot? Why are you living with someone who you disrespect so much? There are a lot of beautiful people out there that deserve your respect, live with them instead.

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alien_oddityCarpal \'Tunnel
7,193 posts
Location: in the trees


Posted:
although illegal in the UK to grow weed, you can if you have a leaniant judge get away with up to 9 plants for personal use, they have to prove your intent to supply also.



it's takes 11 weeks from seed to harvest on most plants, mistakes not to make.............

if grown using hydroponics.

1) growing it in an attic or outdoor garage as the lights produce a lot of heat, and can be seen for miles and it only takes one pass by the copper chopper with it's thermal cameras for your roof to glow up like it's an xmass tree



2) not having a large enough growing area so the smell concentrates and you can smell it 3 streets away



3) BEWARE the meter readers they WILL shop you in to the police.



there's a hell of a lot more ways to get caught but if it's only one plant you may get away with a caution and a smalle fine (court costs)





if you want goot quality seeds try sagramatha seeds or one of mane of the seed banks online, 10 femminised seeds retail at about £50 for white widdow



your looking at £300 for a full hydro kit, your electricity bill will go up by about £15 per week.......... biggrin

FireTomStargazer
6,650 posts

Posted:
 Written by: Lemonkey


He said to me that if I find proof that it's illegal then he won't buy one. I found him the proof regarding how it's illegal without a license and he just told me that he's already bought it. Fantastic.



So what? 5 pound for a seedling?

After all it simply doesn't help you, whether or not this type of hemp holds more or less THC. These plants look all the same to the innocent bystander.

A neighbour sees it, a cops seizes it - the ENTIRE house will get searched and when all the little tiny crumbs of dope are found: Possession.

The plant will be taken to lab and it's THC content analyzed... however, all the cops in your area will have a closer look on your house and all of you people, if not you receive a record/ remark in the allmighty copcomputer, maybe even lead to a search , everytime your passport/ license is checked by cops/ customs.

Tell this dude that he's an irresponsible, adolescent MF and you may as well oppose him straightforward, no sneaky business - "you have the law on your side"... *gg* I mean the "law of common sense", not of the books... wink

If he wants to grow, he should grow hydroponic in his own room (not in the basement or any other shared public area of the house! - in his very own room!) Then it's exclusively his problem.

Good luck

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alien_oddityCarpal \'Tunnel
7,193 posts
Location: in the trees


Posted:
ubblol tom..............................do you realise how long the lights have to be on when growing a plant haha

i think it's 3 to 8 weeks it's on 18 hrs a day with the water on 4 times a day for 15 mins in a 24 hour cycle

8 weeks to harvest anything up to 12 hrs a day


this lad would have a wicked tan but would never get any sleep as the room would generally be about 25 degrees C

FireTomStargazer
6,650 posts

Posted:
ubblol I know... on top he needs to slowly increase the power consumption or install solar power on his roof.

In Germany police targets households with excessive jump in electricity bills, due to this reason. Besides he could use his closet...

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alien_oddityCarpal \'Tunnel
7,193 posts
Location: in the trees


Posted:
there's not enough space in a closet to grow a healthy plant, odds are if it's a built in closet all the plaster will get damp, there's not any air movement to strenghten the stem of the plant and i doubt there's the hight to have the lights up too high.


i think it' best to grow a plant at the end of winter begining of spring as it gets warmer and heating systems are turned off the power spike wouldn't be noticed wink

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DominoSILVER Member
UnNatural Scientist - Currently working on a Breville-legged monkey
757 posts
Location: Bath Uni or Shrewsbury, UK


Posted:
He's not growing it with real intention to smoke it, he's growing because he thinks it's cool. That's why he doesn't mind if it's hemp, it's about having a plant with those cool looking leaves.

It seems unlikely that he'd have it under lights or anything like that. More likely it'll be in a pot on his desk.

The risk seems pretty slim unless your landlord is fond of popping round unanounced (which he/she's not actually meant to)

Still, it's probably not a good idea to have it in the house.

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brittleGOLD Member
member
131 posts
Location: leicester, uk


Posted:
why not talk to frank?

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jeff(fake)Scientist of Fortune
1,189 posts
Location: Edinburgh


Posted:
Easy solution:

Salt the pots. Sprinkle a few grams on and water them in. Kills almost all plants dead.

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