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www.poigeek.com
Quite surprised this hasn't been mentioned on here before - it's a fairly significant development in the world of poi spinning...
Quick summary, it's a pay-per-view instructional video website which aims to teach poi spinning on a move-by-move basis.
Currently only has a couple of moves up, but the basic premise is obvious.
I think it's a good idea in theory, I even had a similar idea at one stage. The key thing obviously is ensuring the content is substantially better than the huge amounts of free lessons scattered around the interweb to give value for money.
Would anyone here consider using it?
Is anyone massively against the idea?
My only mild gripe with the whole site is the naming of moves, which aren't anywhere near "HoP standard", nor "general spinning community standard". Which is fine on it's own - but can (and will) lead to confusion when a PoiGeek'er meets a regular spinner, but also could hinder progress e.g. "Archer Weave" is just a long-arm/short-arm weave, yet without this qualifier, there's no obvious indicator that LA/SA can be applied to 90% of all poi moves...
This is probably hypocritical, but names for moves should be logical
www.poigeek.com
Quite surprised this hasn't been mentioned on here before - it's a fairly significant development in the world of poi spinning...
Quick summary, it's a pay-per-view instructional video website which aims to teach poi spinning on a move-by-move basis.
Currently only has a couple of moves up, but the basic premise is obvious.
I think it's a good idea in theory, I even had a similar idea at one stage. The key thing obviously is ensuring the content is substantially better than the huge amounts of free lessons scattered around the interweb to give value for money.
Would anyone here consider using it?
Is anyone massively against the idea?
My only mild gripe with the whole site is the naming of moves, which aren't anywhere near "HoP standard", nor "general spinning community standard". Which is fine on it's own - but can (and will) lead to confusion when a PoiGeek'er meets a regular spinner, but also could hinder progress e.g. "Archer Weave" is just a long-arm/short-arm weave, yet without this qualifier, there's no obvious indicator that LA/SA can be applied to 90% of all poi moves...
This is probably hypocritical, but names for moves should be logical
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I wouldn't consider using it, why should I pay for it when I can go to a meet and get taught 1-1 with people who are AWESOME at poi!
I wouldn't consider using it, why should I pay for it when I can go to a meet and get taught 1-1 with people who are AWESOME at poi!
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Jo's right.
And it seems that if quality is an issue, you wouldn't know until *after* you've paid.
I also had the thought that the different names could be a gimmick to get those who are hungry to learn more thinking "Oh, I don't know that one yet!" and when they pay and click it's something they already know. Just a thought.
I wouldn't spend money there.
Jo's right.
And it seems that if quality is an issue, you wouldn't know until *after* you've paid.
I also had the thought that the different names could be a gimmick to get those who are hungry to learn more thinking "Oh, I don't know that one yet!" and when they pay and click it's something they already know. Just a thought.
I wouldn't spend money there.
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Yeah, my thoughts too... Though I'm sure there was/will be a sample lesson somewhere along the line.
I personally don't think the move list (which I can't find anymore...) justifies the "Geek" part of the name, though it's hard to tell as you don't know what move they're talking about... I think GlitteGirl uses the same moves on her Temple of Arse, I mean Poi courses...
Major irritant was calling a 3-bt weave a polyrhythm
Icon aside, the inspirational videos were a long way from geeky too.
Yeah, my thoughts too... Though I'm sure there was/will be a sample lesson somewhere along the line.
I personally don't think the move list (which I can't find anymore...) justifies the "Geek" part of the name, though it's hard to tell as you don't know what move they're talking about... I think GlitteGirl uses the same moves on her Temple of Arse, I mean Poi courses...
Major irritant was calling a 3-bt weave a polyrhythm
Icon aside, the inspirational videos were a long way from geeky too.
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I don't like the fact you obviously have to pay for things, though at the top of firefox, the page is describes as "free poi video lessons"
I don't like the fact you obviously have to pay for things, though at the top of firefox, the page is describes as "free poi video lessons"
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A parallel could be drawn with howtodotherobot.com
They had their entire course up on YouTube for free viewing, but if you liked it or wanted a DVD or hi-res ad-free downloaded vids you paid (either for the course or individual lessons).
I'm not against the idea at all - I think it's a useful medium for people not able to get to a meet/workshop, or some people are just happier learning on their own - but the content makes me squirm a bit.
A parallel could be drawn with howtodotherobot.com
They had their entire course up on YouTube for free viewing, but if you liked it or wanted a DVD or hi-res ad-free downloaded vids you paid (either for the course or individual lessons).
I'm not against the idea at all - I think it's a useful medium for people not able to get to a meet/workshop, or some people are just happier learning on their own - but the content makes me squirm a bit.
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A newbie's impression: I came across that site a couple weeks ago during a general internet hunt for poi, and I passed right by it. Like Jo and Pele said, there's no real quality assurance there. I looked at some of the trailers for lessons that they have available just now, and there's nothing really dazzling there. As already said, learning in person trumps learning by video, and if you *do* need video to get your feet of the ground, between HOP, Playpoi, Spherculism, &c. there's enough free information out there to bring you to the point where learning any harder moves is a matter of practicing, not seeing more videos. Personally, I've learned more from people's home-made spinning videos than from actual lessons, because they show you how a move should feel and flow with everything else, not just what it looks like by itself.
Then again, it might appeal to some people, and I can see how their break-it-down approach could be effective, so I'm not prepared to say it's not a good idea. There are some times when seeing a move in one video just *doesn't* show you clearly enough what you're supposed to be doing, so you hit yourself on the head a hundred times before you accidentally find your hands doing the right thing (the natural learning process)! Still, I think a better setup than pay-per-view would be subscription-based.
I slso agree with Durbs though, that naming could be problematic. Then again, when my brother and I first picked up flower sticks we never even thought to look things up online so we wound up naming the tricks we "invented" after Eddie Izzard routines and jazz singers... Perhaps someone might suggest to them an "alternate names" list? Even if they want to use their names, they could supply names other people would be familiar with to help limit confusion. But to expand on Durbs' other comment about the Archer Weave, with an approach like that, they could potentially charge you for a lesson in every variation of every move, rather than teaching you [Set of Base Moves] and [Set of Variations Applicable to These Moves], which is how I've been learning. I.e. instead of [Weaves, Buzzsaws, Butterflies] along with [LA/SA, Isolation, Antispin], they might give you nine separate lessons.... I could see a student's progress being hindered in this regard...
Bottom line, I find there are better places to learn both the basics and more advanced techniques; I'd rather spend my poi money on equipment/fuel/&c. and let the learning come on its own.
EDIT:
Their move list is under "Catalog" on their main page, and only includes the Archer Weave, along with a couple more "on the way." The Sample Lesson is the Archer Weave one under "Trailers".... They may include more as more moves are posted. At least that's what it looks like... Work in progress I guess!
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A newbie's impression: I came across that site a couple weeks ago during a general internet hunt for poi, and I passed right by it. Like Jo and Pele said, there's no real quality assurance there. I looked at some of the trailers for lessons that they have available just now, and there's nothing really dazzling there. As already said, learning in person trumps learning by video, and if you *do* need video to get your feet of the ground, between HOP, Playpoi, Spherculism, &c. there's enough free information out there to bring you to the point where learning any harder moves is a matter of practicing, not seeing more videos. Personally, I've learned more from people's home-made spinning videos than from actual lessons, because they show you how a move should feel and flow with everything else, not just what it looks like by itself.
Then again, it might appeal to some people, and I can see how their break-it-down approach could be effective, so I'm not prepared to say it's not a good idea. There are some times when seeing a move in one video just *doesn't* show you clearly enough what you're supposed to be doing, so you hit yourself on the head a hundred times before you accidentally find your hands doing the right thing (the natural learning process)! Still, I think a better setup than pay-per-view would be subscription-based.
I slso agree with Durbs though, that naming could be problematic. Then again, when my brother and I first picked up flower sticks we never even thought to look things up online so we wound up naming the tricks we "invented" after Eddie Izzard routines and jazz singers... Perhaps someone might suggest to them an "alternate names" list? Even if they want to use their names, they could supply names other people would be familiar with to help limit confusion. But to expand on Durbs' other comment about the Archer Weave, with an approach like that, they could potentially charge you for a lesson in every variation of every move, rather than teaching you [Set of Base Moves] and [Set of Variations Applicable to These Moves], which is how I've been learning. I.e. instead of [Weaves, Buzzsaws, Butterflies] along with [LA/SA, Isolation, Antispin], they might give you nine separate lessons.... I could see a student's progress being hindered in this regard...
Bottom line, I find there are better places to learn both the basics and more advanced techniques; I'd rather spend my poi money on equipment/fuel/&c. and let the learning come on its own.
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Yeah, my thoughts too... Though I'm sure there was/will be a sample lesson somewhere along the line.
I personally don't think the move list (which I can't find anymore...) justifies the "Geek" part of the name, though it's hard to tell as you don't know what move they're talking about... I think GlitteGirl uses the same moves on her Temple of Arse, I mean Poi courses...
Major irritant was calling a 3-bt weave a polyrhythm
Icon aside, the inspirational videos were a long way from geeky too.
Their move list is under "Catalog" on their main page, and only includes the Archer Weave, along with a couple more "on the way." The Sample Lesson is the Archer Weave one under "Trailers".... They may include more as more moves are posted. At least that's what it looks like... Work in progress I guess!
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Nah, they've updated the site , they had the whole list laid out, along with lots of info on becoming an instructor.
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Their move list is under "Catalog" on their main page, and only includes the Archer Weave, along with a couple more "on the way." The Sample Lesson is the Archer Weave one under "Trailers".... They may include more as more moves are posted. At least that's what it looks like... Work in progress I guess!
Nah, they've updated the site , they had the whole list laid out, along with lots of info on becoming an instructor.
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It does seem an odd thing to try and sell
It does seem an odd thing to try and sell
A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.
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Not at all - I think it's a natural "progression" - there have been paid-for workshops/courses for several years and there have been online tutorials for a fair while now too, it's a natural blending of the 2.
As i've mentioned above, i don't think it's a "bad" idea - i just question the content...
Not at all - I think it's a natural "progression" - there have been paid-for workshops/courses for several years and there have been online tutorials for a fair while now too, it's a natural blending of the 2.
As i've mentioned above, i don't think it's a "bad" idea - i just question the content...
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I don't see a problem....GG's been offering online tutorials for purchase for years now and it's obviously been successful with the poigeek site being an opportunity to share the wealth.
Sure, depending on where you live, it's possible to get together with more experienced spinners and have them show you some stuff, but what's an isolated spinner to do ?
Is it a problem with people making a living off of teaching poi ? I've paid for workshops, and bought instructional DVDs from career poi teachers. Why should this be any different ?
Is it GG's rates ? Obviously, ToP is still in business, she she's getting what she's asking.
Is it the naming of patterns? Out of the hundreds of spinners I've met, only a handful are familiar with HoP terminology and I've pretty much given up on using the "proper" terminology because, even when I do, I find most spinners are more comfortable using their own made up names. It's a loosing battle IMO , at least on this side of the Atlantic.
I've never met GG, but I've exchanged posts with her and talked to several people who've been to event's she's sponsored, so based on those experiences, I find if very difficult to fault her.
I don't see a problem....GG's been offering online tutorials for purchase for years now and it's obviously been successful with the poigeek site being an opportunity to share the wealth.
Sure, depending on where you live, it's possible to get together with more experienced spinners and have them show you some stuff, but what's an isolated spinner to do ?
Is it a problem with people making a living off of teaching poi ? I've paid for workshops, and bought instructional DVDs from career poi teachers. Why should this be any different ?
Is it GG's rates ? Obviously, ToP is still in business, she she's getting what she's asking.
Is it the naming of patterns? Out of the hundreds of spinners I've met, only a handful are familiar with HoP terminology and I've pretty much given up on using the "proper" terminology because, even when I do, I find most spinners are more comfortable using their own made up names. It's a loosing battle IMO , at least on this side of the Atlantic.
I've never met GG, but I've exchanged posts with her and talked to several people who've been to event's she's sponsored, so based on those experiences, I find if very difficult to fault her.
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Ummm...the, what?, maybe 10 she was actively involved in for all of a month before she went and badmouthed HoP on Tribe?
Durbs, did you say "teacher training"??
I have a very strong opinion on that more than anything, because it is rampant here in the US and it is rarely backed by anything substantial other than personal hype.
Sorry.
People charge for DVD's and Workshops all the time, so it's not about the charging, for me it's about pay-per-view for things that already exsist AND if they are touting HoP on there, then the "common" vernacular would be known so I see it more as deception on the names to potentially make more money, and that is something I can't get behind personally.
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Ummm...the, what?, maybe 10 she was actively involved in for all of a month before she went and badmouthed HoP on Tribe?
Durbs, did you say "teacher training"??
I have a very strong opinion on that more than anything, because it is rampant here in the US and it is rarely backed by anything substantial other than personal hype.
Sorry.
People charge for DVD's and Workshops all the time, so it's not about the charging, for me it's about pay-per-view for things that already exsist AND if they are touting HoP on there, then the "common" vernacular would be known so I see it more as deception on the names to potentially make more money, and that is something I can't get behind personally.
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She badmouthed HoP on Tribe ?...OK That explains alot. I had no idea she'd done that.
Not only to teaches come down to reputation, but they also come down to availability. When i first started spinning, there was an active poi studio in town, with a teacher who could actually teach. That was it though, there were no other options.
Problem was that there was no support after the four month series of lessons were done ( one lesson/week, $10/lesson ) once the course was done, it was "see ya !
This "renaming" of moves could just be a ploy to attract the unwary, but I doubt it. How many lessons would you actually pay for once you'd realised that a "move" you already knew was being re marketed under a different name ? If I bought a tutorial for a move called "the blender" only to find out it was the three beat weave spun really. really fast, it would be the last tutorial I bought and I'd be mighty pissed that I'd been had.
Mad enough to badmouth GG on Tribe.
If she's offering previews of the tutorials, then an experienced spinner should be able to determine just what they're about to buy. You figure ?
She badmouthed HoP on Tribe ?...OK That explains alot. I had no idea she'd done that.
Not only to teaches come down to reputation, but they also come down to availability. When i first started spinning, there was an active poi studio in town, with a teacher who could actually teach. That was it though, there were no other options.
Problem was that there was no support after the four month series of lessons were done ( one lesson/week, $10/lesson ) once the course was done, it was "see ya !
This "renaming" of moves could just be a ploy to attract the unwary, but I doubt it. How many lessons would you actually pay for once you'd realised that a "move" you already knew was being re marketed under a different name ? If I bought a tutorial for a move called "the blender" only to find out it was the three beat weave spun really. really fast, it would be the last tutorial I bought and I'd be mighty pissed that I'd been had.
Mad enough to badmouth GG on Tribe.
If she's offering previews of the tutorials, then an experienced spinner should be able to determine just what they're about to buy. You figure ?
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The problem is that if you're not experienced you'll buy the lessons for a move you can find a dozen different free tutorials for, that's been discussed in every poi forum online, or, to use the "Archer weave" again, you'll pay for every variation because they aren't teaching you how to apply the variations. Instead of just learning a 3-beat weave, which can be used in X number of ways, and the long/short arm variations, which can be used in X number of ways, you learn only the specific variations. That is, you learn what they teach, as opposed to learning the methods to discover your own techniques. *Shrug* That's how I looked at it when I first came across the site.
Even for people who don't have access to regular meets or workshops I can't personally see the draw. There isn't really a poi scene around here, or much of any kind of "circus" scene... Down near Philly a little more, but not my area, but I'd rather just wait to meet somebody and work on my own than pay for what I'm certain I'll figure out eventually.
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If she's offering previews of the tutorials, then an experienced spinner should be able to determine just what they're about to buy. You figure ?
The problem is that if you're not experienced you'll buy the lessons for a move you can find a dozen different free tutorials for, that's been discussed in every poi forum online, or, to use the "Archer weave" again, you'll pay for every variation because they aren't teaching you how to apply the variations. Instead of just learning a 3-beat weave, which can be used in X number of ways, and the long/short arm variations, which can be used in X number of ways, you learn only the specific variations. That is, you learn what they teach, as opposed to learning the methods to discover your own techniques. *Shrug* That's how I looked at it when I first came across the site.
Even for people who don't have access to regular meets or workshops I can't personally see the draw. There isn't really a poi scene around here, or much of any kind of "circus" scene... Down near Philly a little more, but not my area, but I'd rather just wait to meet somebody and work on my own than pay for what I'm certain I'll figure out eventually.
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Mucky..I agree, there's plenty of free reference material out there that, wee someone learning poi form the internet, they need not pay anything. The archer weave ( IMO ) isn't the best of lessons, as you say it's just a variation on the three beat and should probably be included as a variation in the basic three beat tutorial.
The draw is in her style and presentation. Ever learn a move, by either watching a tutorial or video, run outside and try it, figure something's not quite right, run back inside, look at the move again, think you've figured it out, run back outside only to get stuck...again ? I sure have.
GGs tutorials five several different views, including hand motions and although I've never used one her tutorials for their intended purpose ( I'm too cheap, and the free stuff, I already knew ) I can see that format being somewhat more helpful than "the usual" ...Excepting Nick's ( and Durbs ) narrated tutorials...why weren't those around when I was learning ?
Mucky..I agree, there's plenty of free reference material out there that, wee someone learning poi form the internet, they need not pay anything. The archer weave ( IMO ) isn't the best of lessons, as you say it's just a variation on the three beat and should probably be included as a variation in the basic three beat tutorial.
The draw is in her style and presentation. Ever learn a move, by either watching a tutorial or video, run outside and try it, figure something's not quite right, run back inside, look at the move again, think you've figured it out, run back outside only to get stuck...again ? I sure have.
GGs tutorials five several different views, including hand motions and although I've never used one her tutorials for their intended purpose ( I'm too cheap, and the free stuff, I already knew ) I can see that format being somewhat more helpful than "the usual" ...Excepting Nick's ( and Durbs ) narrated tutorials...why weren't those around when I was learning ?
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Oh I'm not saying they're bad, and I do like the break-it-down approach; I'm just giving my personal reasons for not having interest in them, as someone who's still pretty new to poi and working through the basics and thus within what I reckon is the "target" audience.
Oh I'm not saying they're bad, and I do like the break-it-down approach; I'm just giving my personal reasons for not having interest in them, as someone who's still pretty new to poi and working through the basics and thus within what I reckon is the "target" audience.
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I wonder, whether the names are chosen because of the amount of free ones out there...
Someone looks at the course/moves list, sees "Hyperloop" (for example) than flips over to YouTube and types "hyperloop turorial" in...
Conversely, type in "Archer weave tutorial", not much is going to come up - "Hey, new stuff!" thinks punter.
Though I could be being over cynical.
I wonder, whether the names are chosen because of the amount of free ones out there...
Someone looks at the course/moves list, sees "Hyperloop" (for example) than flips over to YouTube and types "hyperloop turorial" in...
Conversely, type in "Archer weave tutorial", not much is going to come up - "Hey, new stuff!" thinks punter.
Though I could be being over cynical.
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I don't think that's cynical at all durbs, it's quite a common marketing tactic when final goods quality/ real content is effectively hidden from the purchaser.
I don't think that's cynical at all durbs, it's quite a common marketing tactic when final goods quality/ real content is effectively hidden from the purchaser.
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Before this turns into another GG-bashing session, could I re-direct it back into more of a general discussion about on-line lessons pros & cons?
Before this turns into another GG-bashing session, could I re-direct it back into more of a general discussion about on-line lessons pros & cons?
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Online lessons are fine IMHO, if done right. In terms of pay-per-view lessons, If the lessons were done really well (multiple angles, slow mo, closeups, industry leading text descriptions, with a personalised Q&A forum for each lesson all tied together with an advanced UI for easy organisation and navigation of content) then I think the business model would have merit. I dont appreciate people taking things they've learned, rebadging them and then offerring them as an original concept - its just dodgy and unethical.
I think the 'new' nomeclature is an attempt to attract newbies who dont know better, and then get them 'hooked' on a proprietary methodology before they get the opportunity to see that what they are doing is the same as all these other sites are offering for free.
Online lessons are fine IMHO, if done right. In terms of pay-per-view lessons, If the lessons were done really well (multiple angles, slow mo, closeups, industry leading text descriptions, with a personalised Q&A forum for each lesson all tied together with an advanced UI for easy organisation and navigation of content) then I think the business model would have merit. I dont appreciate people taking things they've learned, rebadging them and then offerring them as an original concept - its just dodgy and unethical.
I think the 'new' nomeclature is an attempt to attract newbies who dont know better, and then get them 'hooked' on a proprietary methodology before they get the opportunity to see that what they are doing is the same as all these other sites are offering for free.
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I think the worst part about it is that it says "free" but then you have to pay.
That's just 100% dodgy. But it's on individual people's shoulders if they want to spend money on something they could get for free on other sites.
I also think that giving them her own names is dodgy, for all the reasons stated above. A backhand is a backhand in tennis; calling it a reverse forehand is just stupid.
Oh, then there's her use of language...but this isn't supposed to be a bashing session...
In conclusion:
Dodgy, dodgy, dodgy.
I think the worst part about it is that it says "free" but then you have to pay.
That's just 100% dodgy. But it's on individual people's shoulders if they want to spend money on something they could get for free on other sites.
I also think that giving them her own names is dodgy, for all the reasons stated above. A backhand is a backhand in tennis; calling it a reverse forehand is just stupid.
Oh, then there's her use of language...but this isn't supposed to be a bashing session...
In conclusion:
Dodgy, dodgy, dodgy.
i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey
Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...
GOLD Member
HoP's Barman. Trapped aged 6 months
4,437 posts
Location: Staines, United Kingdom
HoP's Barman. Trapped aged 6 months
4,437 posts
Location: Staines, United Kingdom
Posted:
Is it IcON as in HoP Icon?? If so I wonder when he'll comment on this, I disagree on the saying free when its not and changing the names, although they do have free previews so I guess you'd be an idiot not to check the move first.
If people want to pay let them, personally I wouldnt part with my money without looking for free stuff on other sites, hop, youtube etc.
Does anyone know how much the videos are?
I wonder how many have been 'purchased'
Is it IcON as in HoP Icon?? If so I wonder when he'll comment on this, I disagree on the saying free when its not and changing the names, although they do have free previews so I guess you'd be an idiot not to check the move first.
If people want to pay let them, personally I wouldnt part with my money without looking for free stuff on other sites, hop, youtube etc.
Does anyone know how much the videos are?
I wonder how many have been 'purchased'
An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind
Give a man a fish and he'll eat 4 a day hit a man with a brick and you can have all his fish and his wife
"Will's to pretty for prison" - Simian
SILVER Member
Tosser
1,712 posts
Location: Bristol,UK
Tosser
1,712 posts
Location: Bristol,UK
Posted:
I guess it depends on the relative quality of the videos; many poi 'tutorials' are simply videos of a move, occasionally from different angles. If free videos were created with a good commentary (see durb's 1.5 tutorial for example) I don't see the market for such a site.
Naming: I recall discussion back in the day of the poidia on Spherculism when despite general consensus, some members of the discussions refused to go with the most commonly held term and persisted with their own. I think that an individual's choice is fine if they are aware that they are breaking convention (to know this implies a knowledge of convention so meaning can be retained in discussions) but to teach under a completely different naming structure is counter-intuitive. Whether this a purposeful marketing ploy I can't comment.
I don't have a problem with someone trying to make money from their talent, I just don't see a site such as this as being a particularly good way of doing it.
I guess it depends on the relative quality of the videos; many poi 'tutorials' are simply videos of a move, occasionally from different angles. If free videos were created with a good commentary (see durb's 1.5 tutorial for example) I don't see the market for such a site.
Naming: I recall discussion back in the day of the poidia on Spherculism when despite general consensus, some members of the discussions refused to go with the most commonly held term and persisted with their own. I think that an individual's choice is fine if they are aware that they are breaking convention (to know this implies a knowledge of convention so meaning can be retained in discussions) but to teach under a completely different naming structure is counter-intuitive. Whether this a purposeful marketing ploy I can't comment.
I don't have a problem with someone trying to make money from their talent, I just don't see a site such as this as being a particularly good way of doing it.
BRONZE Member
Classically British
5,689 posts
Location: Epsom, Surrey, England
Classically British
5,689 posts
Location: Epsom, Surrey, England
Posted:
Er - i'd say my "1.5 tutorial" is a bad example of this as A) it's the wrong name (Now called "Not 1.5s") and B) I'm not doing a commentry
Carry on
Er - i'd say my "1.5 tutorial" is a bad example of this as A) it's the wrong name (Now called "Not 1.5s") and B) I'm not doing a commentry
Carry on
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SILVER Member
Tosser
1,712 posts
Location: Bristol,UK
Tosser
1,712 posts
Location: Bristol,UK
Posted:
I'm confusing it with the swishy swishy one then
Sorry
I'm confusing it with the swishy swishy one then
Sorry BRONZE Member
Macaque of all trades
8,738 posts
Location: wombling free..., United Kingdom
Macaque of all trades
8,738 posts
Location: wombling free..., United Kingdom
Posted:
I see it as basically a DVD for poi without the costs of producing the actual DVD but if GG is famed on HoP the leading online community why not use it's terminology for moves?
I see it as basically a DVD for poi without the costs of producing the actual DVD but if GG is famed on HoP the leading online community why not use it's terminology for moves?
A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.
SILVER Member
veteran
1,237 posts
Location: Oxfordshire, United Kingdom
veteran
1,237 posts
Location: Oxfordshire, United Kingdom
Posted:
I was thinking well over a year ago, when considering how to get any income, that this was one of the only ways to make money teaching poi, but I didn't do it for several reasons :
I don't have the skill or recognition of other artists such as meenik
I figured it would ostracise me from the community as a sell out
I just didn't have the boobies
I was thinking well over a year ago, when considering how to get any income, that this was one of the only ways to make money teaching poi, but I didn't do it for several reasons :
I don't have the skill or recognition of other artists such as meenik
I figured it would ostracise me from the community as a sell out
I just didn't have the boobies
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GOLD Member
HoP's Barman. Trapped aged 6 months
4,437 posts
Location: Staines, United Kingdom
HoP's Barman. Trapped aged 6 months
4,437 posts
Location: Staines, United Kingdom
Posted:
Boobies do sell
Boobies do sell
An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind
Give a man a fish and he'll eat 4 a day hit a man with a brick and you can have all his fish and his wife
"Will's to pretty for prison" - Simian
GOLD Member
Carpal \'Tunnel
2,895 posts
Location: Cambridge UK
Carpal \'Tunnel
2,895 posts
Location: Cambridge UK
Posted:
and there was me thinking that this would be a revamp of spherculism... *sigh*
and there was me thinking that this would be a revamp of spherculism... *sigh*
Because ActiveAngel sounds like a feminine deodorant
Like sex, I'm much more interesting in real life than online.
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compfuzzled
1,182 posts
Location: hastings, England (UK)
compfuzzled
1,182 posts
Location: hastings, England (UK)
Posted:
i think nick is a great example here, his tutorial vids are very in depth, diff angles, diff ways of thinking bout the move etc... they are of a quality far superior to PoiGeek.com
so when comparing the two is there any justification for PoiGeek charging?
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I don't have the skill or recognition of other artists such as meenik
i think nick is a great example here, his tutorial vids are very in depth, diff angles, diff ways of thinking bout the move etc... they are of a quality far superior to PoiGeek.com
so when comparing the two is there any justification for PoiGeek charging?
"the geeks have got you" - Gayle
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