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Written by: Lurch
the "right to bear arms"
Empty your mind. Be formless, Shapeless, like Water.
Put Water into a cup, it becomes the cup, put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, put water into a teapot, it becomes the teapot.
Water can flow, or it can Crash.
Be Water My Friend.
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Faith
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Written by: Stout
OWD. I for one am glad you live in a gun control society. After reading your post I couldn't help but wonder whether yours might be a rather unique situation in that you weren't sure you wanted to "do the deed" so to speak, maybe 90 something percent, but not 100 and were using the lack of an appropriate method as a sort of "excuse" to mitigate your actions. I was also thinking that shotguns are available in the UK so, technically, that method was available.
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A boy dies, and a gun debate is reignited.
Holdup victim had concealed-carry permit
Tuesday, April 24, 2007
Damian G. Guevara and Patrick O'Donnell
Plain Dealer Reporters
Damon Wells is the man gun supporters were imagining when they fought for the right to carry concealed weapons.
He had a permit to carry his gun, and he had the gun on him when a pair of teenage thieves approached him Saturday night on his front porch in Cleveland.
When one of the youths pulled a gun, Wells drew his and shot one of the boys several times in the chest, police said. Arthur Buford, 15, died after stumbling away and collapsing on a sidewalk near East 134th Street and Kinsman Road.
City prosecutors decided Monday that Wells, 25, was justified and would not be charged for what appears to be the first time a concealed-carry permit holder has shot and killed an attacker.
Nonetheless, the shooting reignited the debate that flared three years ago when Ohio's concealed-carry law took effect.
Gun supporters said the weapon saved Wells' life. Opponents said it took Buford's - that the 15-year-old might be alive if a citizen had not been armed.
An angry throng of about 30 youths gathered Monday and set up a memorial at the intersection where Buford, a freshman at John F. Kennedy High School, died.
His cousin, Tameka Foster, 21, questioned why police did not punish Buford's shooter.
"They let that man run out freely," Foster said. "My cousin is dead."
Buford's accomplice disappeared after the shooting and had not been caught as of Monday night. Police found a .38-caliber handgun in the mail chute of a nearby house. They believe it belonged to Buford or the other suspect, Lt. Thomas Stacho said.
Police took a .40-caliber Smith and Wesson firearm from Wells as evidence, the police report shows.
Both sides of the gun debate said it was sad that a teenager died.
"It's tragic," said Jim Irvine, chairman of the Buckeye Firearms Association. "Anytime somebody dies, it's tragic, but it's hard to have any sympathy when he chose to have a gun and go threaten somebody's life."
Irvine said it was "great that a potential victim is able to continue his life instead of having a criminal take it."
Toby Hoover, of the Ohio Coalition Against Gun Violence, said she had not heard of any other fatal shooting involving a concealed-carry permit holder.
"This is one of the few where they actually used it to stop a crime," Hoover said.
But, she said, "there's still a dead kid here."
A man who answered a phone number for Wells refused to comment and hung up. No one answered the door at Wells' home.
Plain Dealer reporters Jesse Tinsley and Brie Zeltner and researcher Cheryl Diamond contributed to this story.
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Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
Written by: Lurch
It's a sad story OWD. But your hypothetical 'victim' did make the choice ultimatly. As harsh as it sounds, passing blame on the gun is wrong. Depressed people need help, thats obvious, but is it up to them to get it, or up to big brother to figure out they're depressed, and give them the help they need/protect them from themself? Make your choice, but personally I'd fall more on the side of personal responsibility.
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Written by: Lurch
As to why semi automatic. We've already given up fully automatic weapons. But they ARE still legal, you just need to jump through flaming hoops of doom to get the permits to have one. Biological and chemical weapons can't be used for personal defense. Neither can grenades. I haven't heard of any crimes in the US involving live grenades.. I have heard of a few in the UK though...
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Written by: Lurch
I don't deny them access. I restrict their access. I don't see why a responsible person shouldn't be able to own whatever they want. NBC weapons are different because they fall under international laws and rules that individuals can't really manage, it would be pretty hard to justify using a nuclear weapon in self defense on a personal basis. As for grenades, guns, and armored cars. If you're legal, and want it bad enough to spend the money and go through the steps, go for it. What do I care? As I've said before no legal class 3 guns have been used in a crime in the US. Those laws are working well.
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the "right to bear arms"
I'd love to have Bear arms.
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Written by: Stone
How much is a life worth in the States? “Wells drew his gun and shot one of the boys several times in the chest.” What a hero? Shooting a kid! I think I could live with giving up a few bucks, compared with having to live for the rest of my life knowing I’d shot a 15 year old kid several times in the chest.
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Faith, you keep telling me the majority of Americans live normal lives with little to no violence, and don’t need guns. Yet the discussion always comes back to individuals saying they need a gun. So, to me that says there must be a lack of trust somewhere. By trust, I mean trust outside your close circle of family and friends.
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Written by: Lurch
I was trying to say that there are *far* more serious problems and causes of accidental deaths than guns. That goes back to my point that if there were no crime, and we lived in a utopia state, why would you care if I owned a gun or not? I'm obviously not going to commit a crime with it
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