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Is anyone else disturbed by this trend that has emerged for dressing small children in clothes bearing suggestive messages? A tour around the kid's section in any store will turn up t-shirts reading "So many boys, so little time..." or "I'm wild, tame me." I have even seen ones with "4 Play" and the ilk, coming in sizes designed for five year olds.
The implications are probably beyond all but the most precocious child, but really, do the parents think it's cute to have this kind of stuff on their child?
Some shoe shops sell platform and heeled shoes for tiny feet, I've seen butt floss/g-strings/thongs (not the foot sort, Australians note) for ages 7-10. Make-up now comes endorsed by pre-teen idols to sell it to children.
Whether it's by what they see on TV and their pester-power, or sadly misguided adults, it seems that the age when a child becomes something else is becoming younger and younger.
Is anyone else disturbed by this trend that has emerged for dressing small children in clothes bearing suggestive messages? A tour around the kid's section in any store will turn up t-shirts reading "So many boys, so little time..." or "I'm wild, tame me." I have even seen ones with "4 Play" and the ilk, coming in sizes designed for five year olds.
The implications are probably beyond all but the most precocious child, but really, do the parents think it's cute to have this kind of stuff on their child?
Some shoe shops sell platform and heeled shoes for tiny feet, I've seen butt floss/g-strings/thongs (not the foot sort, Australians note) for ages 7-10. Make-up now comes endorsed by pre-teen idols to sell it to children.
Whether it's by what they see on TV and their pester-power, or sadly misguided adults, it seems that the age when a child becomes something else is becoming younger and younger.
There is a slight possibility that I am not actually right all of the time.
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This reminds me of a talk I had with a 13-year-old boy the other day in clinic.
He said that he was still a virgin but was thinking about having sex. Now, I must emphasize that it's *NOT* my job to tell him that it's a bad idea to have sex. It's my job to educate him about the risks and benefits of this decision and to counsel him about how to reduce the risks.
So he seemed unusually resistant to the condom talk and I finally did some probing:
"But if I don't get her pregnant, how can I prove I had sex with her?"
*THUD*
Oh my lord...
And *THIS* is why I see so many 16-year-old pregnant girls.
This reminds me of a talk I had with a 13-year-old boy the other day in clinic.
He said that he was still a virgin but was thinking about having sex. Now, I must emphasize that it's *NOT* my job to tell him that it's a bad idea to have sex. It's my job to educate him about the risks and benefits of this decision and to counsel him about how to reduce the risks.
So he seemed unusually resistant to the condom talk and I finally did some probing:
"But if I don't get her pregnant, how can I prove I had sex with her?"
*THUD*
Oh my lord...
And *THIS* is why I see so many 16-year-old pregnant girls.
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Been away for a while but I thought I would add my two bit in:
There is a HUGE difference between discipline and beating the living crap out of someone so don't bullshit about the whole "don't hit the child thing".
I was brought up in the old fashioned rules (and I am not that old myself) of if I did wrong and got caught I took the punishment.
You can not reason with a six year old child....please...if the chid is doing the wrong thing a quick smack on the bottom is not abuse!
I am not saying beat the living hell out of the child and the smack should never be above the waist.
Trust me when I say my dad used to give me just one smack on the bum and that was enough to set me straight if I was being a little brat.
In fact he was so good at it by the time I was seven all he had to do was threaten me and I would run to my room.
It did no harm to me so I say bring it back.
I also agree that people should have to get a licence before being parents...some people in this world just have no idea how to bring up a child (not that I am saying I would be any better).
The woman that pierced her daughters ears while the girl was screaming she didn't want to should have been reported for abuse...or the person who was doing the piercing should have refused to do it.
Been away for a while but I thought I would add my two bit in:
There is a HUGE difference between discipline and beating the living crap out of someone so don't bullshit about the whole "don't hit the child thing".
I was brought up in the old fashioned rules (and I am not that old myself) of if I did wrong and got caught I took the punishment.
You can not reason with a six year old child....please...if the chid is doing the wrong thing a quick smack on the bottom is not abuse!
I am not saying beat the living hell out of the child and the smack should never be above the waist.
Trust me when I say my dad used to give me just one smack on the bum and that was enough to set me straight if I was being a little brat.
In fact he was so good at it by the time I was seven all he had to do was threaten me and I would run to my room.
It did no harm to me so I say bring it back.
I also agree that people should have to get a licence before being parents...some people in this world just have no idea how to bring up a child (not that I am saying I would be any better).
The woman that pierced her daughters ears while the girl was screaming she didn't want to should have been reported for abuse...or the person who was doing the piercing should have refused to do it.
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Hey Kyrian, I'm not suggesting that my attitude is by any means universal, but I can't help thinking that maybe we'd see less 12 yr olds having sex if it was...
I think that it should be something intimate. IMO if it's not with someone you deeply respect or love, then you shouldn't be doing it in the first place. Sex for any reason other than love/commitment is simply manipulation, and IMO, completely wrong.
Well considering that most one night stands are drunken occasions, then I can't really see how they would be better than ones in a relationship where you're both sober. If you have bad sex inside a serious relationship then the problem is usually a lack of communication, which is why I emphasised that you had to be comfortable with each other.
Doc: I read your post and cringed. I hope the *thud* was you hitting him with a plank, in an effort to knock some sense into him...
FenixFyre: Agreed.
Hey Kyrian, I'm not suggesting that my attitude is by any means universal, but I can't help thinking that maybe we'd see less 12 yr olds having sex if it was...
I think that it should be something intimate. IMO if it's not with someone you deeply respect or love, then you shouldn't be doing it in the first place. Sex for any reason other than love/commitment is simply manipulation, and IMO, completely wrong.
Well considering that most one night stands are drunken occasions, then I can't really see how they would be better than ones in a relationship where you're both sober. If you have bad sex inside a serious relationship then the problem is usually a lack of communication, which is why I emphasised that you had to be comfortable with each other.
Doc: I read your post and cringed. I hope the *thud* was you hitting him with a plank, in an effort to knock some sense into him...
FenixFyre: Agreed.
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In the UK we have a show on TV called 'Super Nanny' (it's been mentioned previously), which seems to very effectivly dispell the muth that you can't reason with children.
The keys are-
physically getting down to their eye level when communicating with them
speaking very consisely and setting absolute boundaries ('if you do that, then this will follow...every time, without fail')
never using physical violence, or shouting, or otherwise losing control in front of them
setting up an area in the house which is where they will go if they misbehave (for a set and consistent amount of time (several minutes))
insisting on an apology from them (and therefore understanding on their part) for the misbehaviour, after they've done their 'time' in the area
These methods work with children who are totally out of control, and have been so for several years.
In all cases, the main difficulty she has during the shows is not the children, but educating the parents into properly setting, and being consistent with, the methods.
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You can not reason with a six year old child....
In the UK we have a show on TV called 'Super Nanny' (it's been mentioned previously), which seems to very effectivly dispell the muth that you can't reason with children.
The keys are-
physically getting down to their eye level when communicating with them
speaking very consisely and setting absolute boundaries ('if you do that, then this will follow...every time, without fail')
never using physical violence, or shouting, or otherwise losing control in front of them
setting up an area in the house which is where they will go if they misbehave (for a set and consistent amount of time (several minutes))
insisting on an apology from them (and therefore understanding on their part) for the misbehaviour, after they've done their 'time' in the area
These methods work with children who are totally out of control, and have been so for several years.
In all cases, the main difficulty she has during the shows is not the children, but educating the parents into properly setting, and being consistent with, the methods.
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I've seen tat show here in Australia....and it still goes with what I say.....if the child didn't respond she disciplined them by putting them in time out (into a boring room or onto some sort of mat) and making them stay there.
Again goes to my main point of discipline....
I have an auntie who thinks that saying "No timmy you can't have that" and then letting him scream his lungs out is fine and he understands, or he keeps screaming till she caves in....
If she said no timmy you can't have that, stood by what she said and if he starts screaming, a paddle on the bum or "the time out" thing would be disciplining him....
Reasoning with a child is if you misbehave you will get in trouble....that is what they understand.
I've seen tat show here in Australia....and it still goes with what I say.....if the child didn't respond she disciplined them by putting them in time out (into a boring room or onto some sort of mat) and making them stay there.
Again goes to my main point of discipline....
I have an auntie who thinks that saying "No timmy you can't have that" and then letting him scream his lungs out is fine and he understands, or he keeps screaming till she caves in....
If she said no timmy you can't have that, stood by what she said and if he starts screaming, a paddle on the bum or "the time out" thing would be disciplining him....
Reasoning with a child is if you misbehave you will get in trouble....that is what they understand.
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Yeah, doc lightning,.... thats just... yeah.
I think we have a cultural difference here sethis, well, maybe most one night stands are drunken? but most only means over 50%. I know loads and loads of one-night stands no drugs involved....
communications hardly the only problem you can run into, but regardless i think my relationships have just, um, had some weird luck! I won't go there particuarly. But one night stands can in fact be a reasonably good close thing. And even when not close they can be built on respect and pleasure... i'm just saying that it isn't always the negative you see it as. And for people who are between relationships, it can be a good thing. Often isn't,.... but can be.
Or for people who are younger and don't want to deal with other younger peoples ideas of relationships....
Yeah, doc lightning,.... thats just... yeah.
I think we have a cultural difference here sethis, well, maybe most one night stands are drunken? but most only means over 50%. I know loads and loads of one-night stands no drugs involved....
communications hardly the only problem you can run into, but regardless i think my relationships have just, um, had some weird luck! I won't go there particuarly. But one night stands can in fact be a reasonably good close thing. And even when not close they can be built on respect and pleasure... i'm just saying that it isn't always the negative you see it as. And for people who are between relationships, it can be a good thing. Often isn't,.... but can be.
Or for people who are younger and don't want to deal with other younger peoples ideas of relationships....
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Posted:
I have to agree 100% here with Mike.
It's not just kids that are doing this, our world wide culture is simply advancing.
Teens have always been about exploration of the world around them and testing the limits.
The teens of yesteryear did it with the bra burning and women's rights movements, and the teens before that with long hair and short skirts etc...
Society progress a bit more, it's only logical that the proportions stay the same. We can't expect kids to be raised with the same things our great grandparents were raised with, simple because society as we know it doesn't function the same way it did back then.
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When I grew up, I had a lot of respect for my parents. I knew that if I misbehaved, I would get a slap. This is what kept me in check. Kids nowadays know that if they got a slap, they could also get social services involved... This deters parents from providing any discipline. But, this is an entirely different debate, and one that could go on for ever, and has the possibility of getting nasty...
Bull honkey. When you grew up things were exactly as they are now. Parents were just as inept 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 300, and 2,342 years ago as they are now. And kids were equally disrespectful of their elders, too.
Don't believe me? Talk to any old person with their head set on straight. "There is nothing new under the sun."
3,000 years ago Aristotle (or some such member of "that crowd") said that with the way kids are these days the world won't last another decade.
"The kids these days..." Yeah...like our generation or the generation before ours was any better. My generation is made of a bunch of worthless slackers with a few golden exceptions.
I have to agree 100% here with Mike.
It's not just kids that are doing this, our world wide culture is simply advancing.
Teens have always been about exploration of the world around them and testing the limits.
The teens of yesteryear did it with the bra burning and women's rights movements, and the teens before that with long hair and short skirts etc...
Society progress a bit more, it's only logical that the proportions stay the same. We can't expect kids to be raised with the same things our great grandparents were raised with, simple because society as we know it doesn't function the same way it did back then.
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Shuttup, ImmortalAngel, you punk teen kid!
Shuttup, ImmortalAngel, you punk teen kid!
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Posted:
Well, our experiences form our opinions, so I stand by mine that I've never had any experience (first hand or from talking) of a good one night stand. Of course, you might know people who have, and then I'd say good for them. Have fun.
But I'll stop debating it here, because it's wandering slowly but surely off topic...
Well, our experiences form our opinions, so I stand by mine that I've never had any experience (first hand or from talking) of a good one night stand. Of course, you might know people who have, and then I'd say good for them. Have fun.
But I'll stop debating it here, because it's wandering slowly but surely off topic...
After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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Im part of that generation and your right i go to school and 2 out of every 3 girls have juicy on the butt. awthough my first years of life werent as pleasant as they should of been i cant imagin what they will be like as adults
Im part of that generation and your right i go to school and 2 out of every 3 girls have juicy on the butt. awthough my first years of life werent as pleasant as they should of been i cant imagin what they will be like as adults
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wolfclub, and I thought of getting conservative, shaking my head while all them girls (!) walk by, tagged with ridiculous and sometimes offensive slogans on their shirts and pants. 
I understand that some knowingly do this and it has a sarcastic meaning, but still...
I'd extend that to little children (!) wearing makeup and nailpolish, hotpants and tanktops... they're turned into looking like mum's and dad's little who*es/ toys, anything but what they really are: little human beings, still far away from sexuality...
just my 2ct
anyone double that?
wolfclub, and I thought of getting conservative, shaking my head while all them girls (!) walk by, tagged with ridiculous and sometimes offensive slogans on their shirts and pants. I understand that some knowingly do this and it has a sarcastic meaning, but still...
I'd extend that to little children (!) wearing makeup and nailpolish, hotpants and tanktops... they're turned into looking like mum's and dad's little who*es/ toys, anything but what they really are: little human beings, still far away from sexuality...
just my 2ct
anyone double that?
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Posted:
On the abuse/hitting/disciplining thing:
I've been working in a daycare center, and it is very true that most children will respond very quicky to the Super Nanny stuff of getting down to their eye level, speaking concisely, setting definite boundaries, and especially removing whatever element they're getting out of behaving badly. I'm the "bad guy" when it comes to the people I work it, not letting the kids get away with bad behavior, so I have seen this work. Things like time-outs or taking away toys for some kids, can really work, but you've got to be on your toes about immediately catching children doing something wrong and consistent about what happens as a result.
However, on the same token, admittedly, there are just some kids this doesn't work for. We have a few autistic children that come in, and a few children who have just been so engrained in bad behavior that our weekly visits isn't going to change anything. I feel bad in that case, because, then we have to call their moms/dads and send the children in question home.
On the children dressing too sexxy for their age:
What gets me is all the expensive clothing, and this would be because I was raised by a fairly frugal mother.
Think about it. These children come into the daycare center with $200 Fubu jackets, Ugz boots, and all sorts of high label stuff. When I was young, what I wore one year didn't fit me the next, especially winter stuff. These children are between 2-8 years old, and, with growth spurts, they're just going to outgrow all that expensive junk. It's all just going to end up getting thrown out. What a waste.
My poor kids, should I ever have any. Age appropriate and econimical clothes from KMart, Target, WalMart, and Kohl's clothes, just like my childhood.... only with more options (we only had KMart when I was young).
On the abuse/hitting/disciplining thing:
I've been working in a daycare center, and it is very true that most children will respond very quicky to the Super Nanny stuff of getting down to their eye level, speaking concisely, setting definite boundaries, and especially removing whatever element they're getting out of behaving badly. I'm the "bad guy" when it comes to the people I work it, not letting the kids get away with bad behavior, so I have seen this work. Things like time-outs or taking away toys for some kids, can really work, but you've got to be on your toes about immediately catching children doing something wrong and consistent about what happens as a result.
However, on the same token, admittedly, there are just some kids this doesn't work for. We have a few autistic children that come in, and a few children who have just been so engrained in bad behavior that our weekly visits isn't going to change anything. I feel bad in that case, because, then we have to call their moms/dads and send the children in question home.
On the children dressing too sexxy for their age:
What gets me is all the expensive clothing, and this would be because I was raised by a fairly frugal mother.
Think about it. These children come into the daycare center with $200 Fubu jackets, Ugz boots, and all sorts of high label stuff. When I was young, what I wore one year didn't fit me the next, especially winter stuff. These children are between 2-8 years old, and, with growth spurts, they're just going to outgrow all that expensive junk. It's all just going to end up getting thrown out. What a waste.
My poor kids, should I ever have any. Age appropriate and econimical clothes from KMart, Target, WalMart, and Kohl's clothes, just like my childhood.... only with more options (we only had KMart when I was young).
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Damn idiocy! (on my part) It's not all due to bad parenting. My father was bloody awful as a parent. My brother and I were treated as possessions and more or less locked away from the world until first me and then him decided to get ourselves the hell out of their. Now I'm in college, I help run a youth group and my younger brother is an officer of the same group.
Bad parenting can cause it, but it's not the only cause. Sometimes it can be the way the child thinks, sometimes society is just that way. Over thousands of years of evolution we're still tribal, warring creatures. Ready to fight over the slightest difference, everyone forgets that people are animals too.
Perhaps bad parenting and a bad society just fails to tell kids when they really shouldn't fight.
As for nearing adulthood earlier, apparently puberty is supposed to come a bit earlier with each generation.
But that still doesn't explain the seven unders.
Damn idiocy! (on my part) It's not all due to bad parenting. My father was bloody awful as a parent. My brother and I were treated as possessions and more or less locked away from the world until first me and then him decided to get ourselves the hell out of their. Now I'm in college, I help run a youth group and my younger brother is an officer of the same group.
Bad parenting can cause it, but it's not the only cause. Sometimes it can be the way the child thinks, sometimes society is just that way. Over thousands of years of evolution we're still tribal, warring creatures. Ready to fight over the slightest difference, everyone forgets that people are animals too.
Perhaps bad parenting and a bad society just fails to tell kids when they really shouldn't fight.
As for nearing adulthood earlier, apparently puberty is supposed to come a bit earlier with each generation.
But that still doesn't explain the seven unders.
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this subject is highly disturbing, i knew there where seedy lines of kiddies underware being made but having suggestive slogans on clothe made for a child as young a 5 is horrific!!!!
why no make kids cloathing by a company called "peado-coture" with slogans like.......
"like what you see?............i'm only three"
"my mother started early, i'm willing to learn"
" will f*U*k for cash"
sorry if this has offended anyone but WHY would anybody even conemplate buying such lewd, possibly offencive stuff for a child that has no idea what the implications of the message are???
this stinks of "chav" culture to me, "must have the most nang stuff for my kiddie"
ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR i coiuld sooooooooooooo rant off in martian about this subject but i'll keep i short...........
IT IS PLAIN WRONG!!!!!!
this subject is highly disturbing, i knew there where seedy lines of kiddies underware being made but having suggestive slogans on clothe made for a child as young a 5 is horrific!!!!
why no make kids cloathing by a company called "peado-coture" with slogans like.......
"like what you see?............i'm only three"
"my mother started early, i'm willing to learn"
" will f*U*k for cash"
sorry if this has offended anyone but WHY would anybody even conemplate buying such lewd, possibly offencive stuff for a child that has no idea what the implications of the message are???
this stinks of "chav" culture to me, "must have the most nang stuff for my kiddie"
ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR i coiuld sooooooooooooo rant off in martian about this subject but i'll keep i short...........
IT IS PLAIN WRONG!!!!!!
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Actually, the "will f*U*k for cash" t-shirt already exists. In kid's sizes.
Actually, the "will f*U*k for cash" t-shirt already exists. In kid's sizes.
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shows how far behing the times i am
man i MUST be OLD
shows how far behing the times i am
man i MUST be OLD
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I think I'm going to have a long shower.
I think I'm going to have a long shower.
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Posted:
bad parenting might be not the right phrase...unaware, absent, or that sort of thing would be appropriate in many cases. obviously, not all.
i was raised frugal, still am, thus me not having fire poi...sometimes have the money but know i should spend it else where.
even if we don't buy the products, they don't get taken off the shelves because other stupid people buy them
maybe we should hold protests?
bad parenting might be not the right phrase...unaware, absent, or that sort of thing would be appropriate in many cases. obviously, not all.
i was raised frugal, still am, thus me not having fire poi...sometimes have the money but know i should spend it else where.
even if we don't buy the products, they don't get taken off the shelves because other stupid people buy them
maybe we should hold protests?
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Faith- you raise a valid point on "bad parenting" not necessarily being the best phrase.
We've noticed that, generally, the worst behaved children, or the children that are very much too-grown up for their years (*like the 8 year old who insisted we get Grand Theft Auto so he could run down hookers.... how do you explain to an 8 year old that hookers are inappropriate?) come with either the sweetest of parents (*possibly too nice) or the absolute rudest. In the middle ground, is where we find the best children, it seems. At least, that's been the running trend in our area.
Faith- you raise a valid point on "bad parenting" not necessarily being the best phrase.
We've noticed that, generally, the worst behaved children, or the children that are very much too-grown up for their years (*like the 8 year old who insisted we get Grand Theft Auto so he could run down hookers.... how do you explain to an 8 year old that hookers are inappropriate?) come with either the sweetest of parents (*possibly too nice) or the absolute rudest. In the middle ground, is where we find the best children, it seems. At least, that's been the running trend in our area.
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i have something to say one is that most kids are extremely ungrateful like i saw a little girl screaming "i told you, you idiot i wanted the 500 dollar playstation not 300 dollar DS what is wrong with you, you imbecile" i watched this thinking that if i was to say that to my dad (which i wouldn't) he would punch me in the face. i really think that little if any at all will be able to really survive in the world when older. Also my dad was a heroin addict and abused me and my brother yet i feel that i turned out better than 1/3 of other kids today
i have something to say one is that most kids are extremely ungrateful like i saw a little girl screaming "i told you, you idiot i wanted the 500 dollar playstation not 300 dollar DS what is wrong with you, you imbecile" i watched this thinking that if i was to say that to my dad (which i wouldn't) he would punch me in the face. i really think that little if any at all will be able to really survive in the world when older. Also my dad was a heroin addict and abused me and my brother yet i feel that i turned out better than 1/3 of other kids today
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wandering thru the woods of WI
3,556 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
wandering thru the woods of WI
3,556 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
Posted:
i don't thinkit is fair to say most kids are ungrateful
i think those are just the most vocal and thereby the ones who get noticed
i don't thinkit is fair to say most kids are ungrateful
i think those are just the most vocal and thereby the ones who get noticed
Faith
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grumpy poorly froggy
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Location: Nuneaton, United Kingdom
grumpy poorly froggy
3,999 posts
Location: Nuneaton, United Kingdom
Posted:
As a mum to a teenager (boy) its scary as hell. he has a moblie which to be honest i didn't want to give him, but he goes out with his friends and its a nice way of him being able to get in touch with me if thre is an emergancy or if he's going to be late. Hell any parent will tell you that the minute your child is late you automaticly think the worse.
The girls that go to his school. OMG its horrible, i don't wear skirts that are that shor and they just look like miniture versions of their mum's. Its not just the high schools either. i help out at the local primay school at times with disco's etc. seeing 4+ year old girls in short skirts, makeup,high boots and backless tops almost brings me to either tears or rage. usualy both.
there was a thing on the news this morning about child models, they just look like mini versions of the cat walk models. nothing like preparing the next generation for media crazed eating disorders and bullying. i have seen 6 year olds argue over the fact that one young girls clothes were not real labels while she was wearing a nice little D&G outfit with matching boots, a vaschi(? on spelling) coat the whole lot!!
At the same time we are sitting here saying how much they are too old for thier ages, the school system are making it worse. my 6 year old is now learning things i didn't cover until i was about 10/11. they are constantly being told that they need to take responsablity for their education at 5! sure thats a whole different rant but for goodness sake the poor kids can not win.
in one hand they are expected to stay children and taking responsability for their future all in one. i know from talking to my kids they get so confused and so many conflicting ideas of what they are supposed to be doing i find it hard to give them answers.
its not the generation thats to balme its the adults who are around them, whether it be parents, careers, teachers or just society as a whole. no wander so many kids are messed up. and its going to get worse with future generations unless some thing is done.
As a mum to a teenager (boy) its scary as hell. he has a moblie which to be honest i didn't want to give him, but he goes out with his friends and its a nice way of him being able to get in touch with me if thre is an emergancy or if he's going to be late. Hell any parent will tell you that the minute your child is late you automaticly think the worse.
The girls that go to his school. OMG its horrible, i don't wear skirts that are that shor and they just look like miniture versions of their mum's. Its not just the high schools either. i help out at the local primay school at times with disco's etc. seeing 4+ year old girls in short skirts, makeup,high boots and backless tops almost brings me to either tears or rage. usualy both.
there was a thing on the news this morning about child models, they just look like mini versions of the cat walk models. nothing like preparing the next generation for media crazed eating disorders and bullying. i have seen 6 year olds argue over the fact that one young girls clothes were not real labels while she was wearing a nice little D&G outfit with matching boots, a vaschi(? on spelling) coat the whole lot!!
At the same time we are sitting here saying how much they are too old for thier ages, the school system are making it worse. my 6 year old is now learning things i didn't cover until i was about 10/11. they are constantly being told that they need to take responsablity for their education at 5! sure thats a whole different rant but for goodness sake the poor kids can not win.
in one hand they are expected to stay children and taking responsability for their future all in one. i know from talking to my kids they get so confused and so many conflicting ideas of what they are supposed to be doing i find it hard to give them answers.
its not the generation thats to balme its the adults who are around them, whether it be parents, careers, teachers or just society as a whole. no wander so many kids are messed up. and its going to get worse with future generations unless some thing is done.
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wandering thru the woods of WI
3,556 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
wandering thru the woods of WI
3,556 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
Posted:
we see much more skin than in the victorian times
we see much more skin than in the victorian times
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Location: Denver, Colorado, USA
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Location: Denver, Colorado, USA
Posted:
I'm a parent to a 3 year old little girl and I am appalled by what some parents let their children wear. My daughter will never, under any circumstances, wear clothing that makes her look like a prostitute... no matter how old she is.
There is a huge difference between a little girl looking classy and cute... than trashy and slutty. I saw a shirt in the kids department the other day that was nothing more than a little bra and a see through netted shirt. I think it was supposed to fit little 6 year olds. WTF is that? And makeup... hell no should little kids be wearing it. A little pink lipgloss is different than mascara on a kiddo.
I really think parents need to look at their child and what they are doing to them. There is nothing wrong with a kid wearing a cute disney character shirt, but so many kids are growing up so fast that it now seems stupid or childish that a small child would dare wear anything "cute."
I will have strict rules in my house when it comes to dressing. My daughter can always look pretty... but not trashy.
I'm a parent to a 3 year old little girl and I am appalled by what some parents let their children wear. My daughter will never, under any circumstances, wear clothing that makes her look like a prostitute... no matter how old she is.
There is a huge difference between a little girl looking classy and cute... than trashy and slutty. I saw a shirt in the kids department the other day that was nothing more than a little bra and a see through netted shirt. I think it was supposed to fit little 6 year olds. WTF is that? And makeup... hell no should little kids be wearing it. A little pink lipgloss is different than mascara on a kiddo.
I really think parents need to look at their child and what they are doing to them. There is nothing wrong with a kid wearing a cute disney character shirt, but so many kids are growing up so fast that it now seems stupid or childish that a small child would dare wear anything "cute."
I will have strict rules in my house when it comes to dressing. My daughter can always look pretty... but not trashy.
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128 posts
Location: USA
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Location: USA
Posted:
This might be off topic but still its important... https://www.home-ed.vic.edu.au/2004/10/25/bullying-the-daily-grind/
PLEASE LOOK AT THIS https://www.bullyonline.org/schoolbully/cases.htm This Too
This might be off topic but still its important... https://www.home-ed.vic.edu.au/2004/10/25/bullying-the-daily-grind/
PLEASE LOOK AT THIS https://www.bullyonline.org/schoolbully/cases.htm This Too
Ich brauche Zeit
Kein Heroin kein Alkohol kein Nikotin
Brauch keine Hilfe
Kein Koffein
Doch Dynamit und Terpentin
Ich brauche Öl für Gasolin
Explosiv wie Kerosin
Mit viel Oktan und frei von Blei
Einen Kraftstoff wie Benzin
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wandering thru the woods of WI
3,556 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
wandering thru the woods of WI
3,556 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
Posted:
so...
this discussion (imo) has focused more on clothes and behaviors...
while it may have to do with the sexualization...i think we have been focusing on what parents buy and let their kids wear clothes like this and make up as well
victorian times extended childhood, we are eliminating childhood in our fashions and attitudes
these kids aren't wearing adult clothes, they are wearing clothes that most adults would never be caught in because they are so trampy...they are wearing *adult* clothes...and the discussion is why parents are allowing this
Written by: SpannerWritten by: faithinfire
we see much more skin than in the victorian times
Publically, but privately child pornography and prostitution was not only common but more socially acceptable
That's obviously not the reason some of today's parents dress their children like "mini-mes": they probably think that they're only following this long trend and not making the connection between that and some of the original, darker reasons for dressing children like little adults
so...
this discussion (imo) has focused more on clothes and behaviors...
while it may have to do with the sexualization...i think we have been focusing on what parents buy and let their kids wear clothes like this and make up as well
victorian times extended childhood, we are eliminating childhood in our fashions and attitudes
these kids aren't wearing adult clothes, they are wearing clothes that most adults would never be caught in because they are so trampy...they are wearing *adult* clothes...and the discussion is why parents are allowing this
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
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wandering thru the woods of WI
3,556 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
wandering thru the woods of WI
3,556 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
Posted:
i do not necessarily disagree but imo the discussion was focusing on the result, the clothing and attitudes of said sexualization and what we can do about it...like in the flying discussion...flying is bad..now what...
these, i think, we agree are not the best idea for our children, now what
and of course it's my opinion, yes there are adults that dress like trash out there...it seems like there are more trashily dressed kids out there and that it is hard to find what we would have considered kid clothing, not mini adult clothing
that was my point and if you disagree with it
i do not necessarily disagree but imo the discussion was focusing on the result, the clothing and attitudes of said sexualization and what we can do about it...like in the flying discussion...flying is bad..now what...
these, i think, we agree are not the best idea for our children, now what
and of course it's my opinion, yes there are adults that dress like trash out there...it seems like there are more trashily dressed kids out there and that it is hard to find what we would have considered kid clothing, not mini adult clothing
that was my point and if you disagree with it
Faith
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compfuzzled
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Location: hastings, England (UK)
compfuzzled
1,182 posts
Location: hastings, England (UK)
Posted:
my dissertation at uni was the contradictory approach of the media towards paedophilia
on the one hand u have tabloids going mental about paedophiles, it got so mental that in wales a paediatrcians house was attacked cos they thought she was a paedophile, luckily her and her family were out that night
then u look at the magazine that are aimed at young girls, there are magazine for girls 10/11/12 that talks about sex, and makeup and the rest of it, its pretty disturbing. u have the beauty pageant things for really young girls, where in america there has even been cases of some of these girls gettin plastic surgery.
i saw the adverts for the kids ballroom dancing on tv, and the way the girls looked really scared me.
tbh i really dont know how i wud deal with these issues if it was my daughter, luckily im not a parent yet and havent had to deal with this
my dissertation at uni was the contradictory approach of the media towards paedophilia
on the one hand u have tabloids going mental about paedophiles, it got so mental that in wales a paediatrcians house was attacked cos they thought she was a paedophile, luckily her and her family were out that night
then u look at the magazine that are aimed at young girls, there are magazine for girls 10/11/12 that talks about sex, and makeup and the rest of it, its pretty disturbing. u have the beauty pageant things for really young girls, where in america there has even been cases of some of these girls gettin plastic surgery.
i saw the adverts for the kids ballroom dancing on tv, and the way the girls looked really scared me.
tbh i really dont know how i wud deal with these issues if it was my daughter, luckily im not a parent yet and havent had to deal with this
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