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Take me disappearing through the smoke rings of my mind....
Bob Dylan
Written by: The Tea Fairy
Hey Jeff, I'm not implying that the technique works but the experiment is serious! It might even give us some scientific proof that the technique is indeed BS, then we can all stop arguing. The guy who is conducting the research is
Paul Dobson BSc PhD AFBPsS C.Psychol
Senior Lecturer in Organisational Behaviour
He worked hard to get all those letters after his name, I don't think he'd waste his time if he didn't think it was significant, even if it does just prove the technique is false. I'm not mocking the science until I've seen the full report, maybe you should wait to see the methodology and analysis before you proclaim it as invalid?
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
Idolized by Aurinoko
Take me disappearing through the smoke rings of my mind....
Bob Dylan
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
Give me a lever long enough and a place to stand and I can beat the world into submission.
those that know, dont say. those that say, dont know.
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Written by: shen shui
just because a larger percentage dont have access to these other states of being (call them frequencies of vibration, if you like.. (ie, everything is energy vibrating at a certain frequency...)) does not mean they are not there amd are unable to be experienced.
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
Idolized by Aurinoko
Take me disappearing through the smoke rings of my mind....
Bob Dylan
those that know, dont say. those that say, dont know.
*no moves there are no moves there are no moves there are no moves there are no moves there are no*
"Oooh, what a shiny new move!"
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Written by: shen shui
..something that i've noticed is that people tend to find what they are looking for. ie, if you think that 2,3,5 is symbolic and powerful then your subconscious will look for instances of this sequence appearing in your every-day life, and you will consciously notice it.
Written by: shen shui
as in, quantum chaos or particle theory or whatever its called where the viewer observing the experiment cant help but influence it.
Written by: shen shui
but what i am getting at, is that people who do not believe until they have overwhelming evidence sometimes will not find the evidence they are looking for, because they start off by doubting.
another way of saying it is, have an open mind.
Written by: shen shui
to me, the fact that many people experience these states, and are able to objectively describe these states, is a very strong indicator of their validity.
Written by: shen shui
(check the work of barbara brennan if you are really very keen on western explanations, because this lovely lady has been on the cutting edge of the western frontiers push into research of the HEF (or human energetic field) for the past 20 years thats right, they have been doing research for 20 years already. so much so that there is an internationally recognized course in energetic healing working from three separate countries. check this out)
Written by: shen shui
its my personal opinion that everybody is capable of everything, and we are predominantly restricted by our belief that we can or cannot do something. so im going to believe i can do everything, which potentially opens me up to far many more exciting experiences than people who doubt that something can occur, and doubt that they could do it IF it was real.
Written by: shen shuiThis is really a seperate point from the others, but I'll address it anyway. The correct definition of "Atheism" (taking the word to it's latin roots, and modern meaning by atheist groups) is generally not the belief in the absence of god/s (mankind has invented thousands over the aeons), it is the absence of belief any god/s. Thus, many would argue that all humans are born atheists.
its like the old adage about the athiest: how can you have a belief that something is not?
Written by: shen shuiSomething does not have to exist to not believe in it. I do not believe in the invisable pink unicorn, that does not mean the invisable pink unicron must exist.
to disbelieve in something, it must first be in existenceif its not in existence, the thought would never come to mind to doubt its validity.
Written by: shens shui
also, something does not have to fit into the predominant western science thought-paradigm for it to work, or be valid. i guess its a bit unfortunate that so many people have been unconsciously swayed by their society into needing so much tangible, physical evidence before believing something. but then, thats not my loss, and i dont mind too much. all im saying here is that there ARE other ways of understanding these things, and the best way that i can think of is this: if you really are that keen on seeing the validitiy of these states of being, then you should conduct your own research, upon yourself...
Written by: shen shui
and to whoever said that they tried for years but couldnt get anything, perhaps you were being shown the wrong methods. perhaps you were shown the right methods but didnt do them right. perhaps you DID do them right, but didnt do them for long enough.
Written by: shen shui
there is never a 100% absolute hard-n-fast explanation for Anything. EVERYTHING is subjective and relative. (even this statement)
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
Written by: jeff
However Barbara is very much to on the extreme end of the spectrum, being driven by religious and financial reasons to disregard proper scientific methodology.
Written by: jeff
Written by: shen
its my personal opinion that everybody is capable of everything, and we are predominantly restricted by our belief that we can or cannot do something. so im going to believe i can do everything, which potentially opens me up to far many more exciting experiences than people who doubt that something can occur, and doubt that they could do it IF it was real.
That's a popular sentiment in modern culture, but it isn't correct,
Written by: jeff
Firstly, you cannot ever truely "know" (or know that you know, if you believe ou can "know") what anyone experiences.
Written by: jeff
Something does not have to exist to not believe in it. I do not believe in the invisable pink unicorn, that does not mean the invisable pink unicron must exist.
Written by: jeff
You must also accept the possible that it simply does not work, if you are being open minded.
Written by: jeff
If everything being subjective is subjective then logically it is possible for the existance of objectivity.
those that know, dont say. those that say, dont know.
Written by: shen shuiWritten by: jeff
However Barbara is very much to on the extreme end of the spectrum, being driven by religious and financial reasons to disregard proper scientific methodology.
i honestly dont see how you can come to such a conclusion so rapidly, jeff. i am left presuming that you did not research into the site or her past enough to actually see that this has been, and continues to be, at the leading edge of scientific research of the Human Energy Field in the US and Europe. Please do a bit more reading before presenting your opinions in such a strong manner. perhaps you just got carried away, and i can understand that... i find it a lot of fun to have a good rant... but its good to know when you are ranting, too.. haha.
Written by: shenWritten by: shen
its my personal opinion that everybody is capable of everything, and we are predominantly restricted by our belief that we can or cannot do something. so im going to believe i can do everything, which potentially opens me up to far many more exciting experiences than people who doubt that something can occur, and doubt that they could do it IF it was real.Written by: jeff
That's a popular sentiment in modern culture, but it isn't correct,
is that your opinion, jeff, or scientific fact?
Written by: shenWritten by: jeff
Firstly, you cannot ever truely "know" (or know that you know, if you believe ou can "know") what anyone experiences.
if this is so, then how can you know that i dont know what anyone experiences? if you cannot know my mind you cannot know what i know, therefore, there is the potential that one thing can be known by more than one person? have you read about mirror neurons? i presume so, i have always thought you have been well-read and are intelligent and articulate (i have enjoyed observing your posts over time )
im not trying to persuade you of anything, by the way, just putting my thoughts up, i dont think im right all the time, and if i say something that you think is wrong, im fine with that, you know? just thought people might like to hear from someone who doesnt only postulate about these states of being, but rather, experiences and interacts with them on a daily basis...
Written by: shenWritten by: jeff
Something does not have to exist to not believe in it. I do not believe in the invisable pink unicorn, that does not mean the invisable pink unicron must exist.
but it exists as a thought-form in the minds of everyone who read that statement. just because it does not exist in the Physical realm does not mean it does not exist. do your thoughts exist less than your physical body because your mental/emotional bodies vibrate at higher frequencies? hmmm....! i dont think they do. i think, feel, see and experience that they exist Just As Much as our physical body, and interpenetrates it as a unified whole.
Written by: shenWritten by: jeff
You must also accept the possible that it simply does not work, if you are being open minded.
i do. and perhaps it doesnt. but i know that it IS working for me, or rather, i am working with IT (perhaps there is no separation :P), and at the end of the day i am happy that you have been stimulated by this discussion and that you said what felt right to you, because thats what i've been doing... haha..
Written by: shen
i maintain and honour my experience of the duality of the subjective and objective realms. :P i thought it was obvious that subjectivity and objectivity go hand in hand.
and to cast some scientific validation on this situation, In the 1950's:
a Japanese researcher, Yoshio Nakatani, proved that acupuncture points had a lower electrical resistance compared to non acupuncture points. He later came up with Ryodaraku as a way to measure the electrical properties in the different meridians.
In the 1960's, a French researcher, Pierre de Vernejoul, established the existance of acupuncture meridians. He injected radioactive isotopes into acupuncture points and tracked their movement with a special gamma imaging camera. The isotopes traveled 30 centimeters within 4 minutes. Vernejoul also inected the radioactive isotopes into blood and lymph vessels and these isotopes did not travel anywhere. This reserach seemed to suggest that acupuncture meridians are seperate pathways in the body.
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
Written by: faithinfire
just observing jeff, cause i have seen it more than a few times now, but it seems like if you don't like a fact, even if it is from a journal, you make up some reason why it isn't a fact. for example, some journals really aren't journals and therefore, the fact is immediately discounted
why not just say you disagree with that statement, you scientists-as you put it-disagree all the time, it fuels experimentation and research
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"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
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"Last of The Lancers"
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Written by: onewheeldaveWritten by: faithinfire
just observing jeff, cause i have seen it more than a few times now, but it seems like if you don't like a fact, even if it is from a journal, you make up some reason why it isn't a fact. for example, some journals really aren't journals and therefore, the fact is immediately discounted
why not just say you disagree with that statement, you scientists-as you put it-disagree all the time, it fuels experimentation and research
I'm afraid it's just a simple fact that some journals are nowhere near the standard required for the scientific community.
No scientist will take those journals seriously because they are not up to the standard required- the research they report is not up to the high standards required by scientific method...
Those who disagree with scientific standards are free to dismiss them and pursue their beliefs regardless of those standards.
Written by: robnunchucks
if people realy are phycic why do we not see any of them makeing use of it
why arn't all profesinal poker players phycic
why do we never see the headline phycic wins lottery
why do we never see the headline phycics averts terrorist attack
why arn't the worlds greatist and most respected doctors spirtiual healers
why dont the police simply use a phycic to ask the murder victim who killed them
and why do phycics only ever use there powers to perform feats that can be replicated by magicains i dont know about you lot but that sets off alot of alarm bells for me
and finaly a project that demonstrated very clearly why we must be very very carfull about the types of scientific recearch we accept as good science
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Alpha
It was a day for screaming at inanimate objects.
What this calls for is a special mix of psychology and extreme violence...
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
those that know, dont say. those that say, dont know.
Written by: onewheeldave
incidently, Jeff- much as I'm backing you up in the post above, I do feel the need to point out (and I hope this doesn't cause offence) that some aspects of the way you post are pretty sure to put some peoples backs up.
A certain arrogance seeps through and I'm pretty sure that's part of the reason you attract some fairly hostile replies.
Of course, it may be that you're OK with that, but, at the end of the day, these discussions are supposed to be about communication and, when it comes to trying to pass on insight to those who have opposed views, the last thing you need to do is cause unnecessary annoyance, cos that just blocks communication completely.
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed