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MikeGinnyGOLD Member
HOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA


Posted:
Today, I attended an autopsy on an 18-year-old man. Due to medical confidentiality reasons and also due to the fact that it's possible that someone who knew him might read this post, I will not provide any more information about him (cause of death, family history, hometown, and I especially won't give his name). And, incidentally, if you do happen to know of an 18-year-old man who died at University Hospital in Ann Arbor recently, don't assume that he was this same patient. Sadly, there are days when two or more 18-year-old men die at our hospital of completely different causes (for example, one cancer and one accident).

Anyways, all I can say is..."wow." When I walked out of the hospital today, the leaves on the trees were greener, the sky bluer, the sun brighther, the air sweeter, and life in general so much more beautiful than I have ever seen before.

I have no problems. I have no complaints. My life is so blessed and I am so lucky to be alive. There, but for the grace of G-d, go I.

Hug someone you love today.

[ 06 October 2002, 10:30: Message edited by: MikeGinny ]

-Mike

Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella



A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura


RoziSILVER Member
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2,996 posts
Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia


Posted:
Timely reminder that life takes directions we don't expect, and that the people around you can't be there forever.

Am now going to go out, smile at strangers & hug friends... Starting with you Mike

It was a day for screaming at inanimate objects.

What this calls for is a special mix of psychology and extreme violence...


LuNcHbOx...(Aka. Nathan)-un-singlemember
536 posts
Location: beneath a cloak of self-torture


Posted:
this made me very upset with the net!!!!!

But it is insiteful.....

-LuNcHbOx, Aka. Nathan...Give a man to fish, and that man knows where to come for more fish...Teach a man to fish and you have just destroyed your market base...


LuNcHbOx...(Aka. Nathan)-un-singlemember
536 posts
Location: beneath a cloak of self-torture


Posted:
yo mike chek yo pm's.....

-LuNcHbOx, Aka. Nathan...Give a man to fish, and that man knows where to come for more fish...Teach a man to fish and you have just destroyed your market base...


SpArKiE*shiny shiny*
218 posts
Location: Townsville, QLD, Aust.


Posted:
wtf.... LOL... weird... why would some one seriously bother making a site like that? ok- in one way its funny... in the other... nu-uh...

i feel as thought- ppl dont want to knwo when they are goin to die.. they want to live life to what they seem the fullest. cos like hell- if i knew i was goin to die... i would be a wreck... i would probly lay in bed all day... not gettin out and living... i would be to scared.
but not knowin when that day is goin to come- you can live life normally, healthy, and whatever else.

take each day as it comes.

and it is sad that ppl die while still bein a teenagers.... mikeginny- i dont know how you can do what you do- but keep it up, bcos in the sad news that u may give- it brings closure, and thats better then not knowin at all

And wherever you've gone and wherever we might go. It don't seem fair. Today just disappeared.


LuNcHbOx...(Aka. Nathan)-un-singlemember
536 posts
Location: beneath a cloak of self-torture


Posted:
sooooo......*smiles devilishly*
....
did you chek it out?
or were you to busy talkin aboot it...?

-LuNcHbOx, Aka. Nathan...Give a man to fish, and that man knows where to come for more fish...Teach a man to fish and you have just destroyed your market base...


RoziSILVER Member
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2,996 posts
Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia


Posted:
How do you usually respond when this sort of thing comes inyo your life? Really badly put question, I guess what I am asking is, if you here a tale like this, do you change the way you behave? And is it a permanent change?

It was a day for screaming at inanimate objects.

What this calls for is a special mix of psychology and extreme violence...


MikeGinnyGOLD Member
HOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA


Posted:
Lunchbox, check your PM's, I got it. But can I ask that people generally not post messages all over telling others to check their PM's? It just spams the board.

[ 06 October 2002, 17:37: Message edited by: MikeGinny ]

-Mike

Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella



A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura


Raymund Phule (Fireproof)Enter a "Title" here:
2,905 posts
Location: San Diego California


Posted:
Sorry to change the subject but this is really getting on my nerves.

I fail to understand the significance of not putting an "o" in God. Sorry but to say,
quote:
There, but for the grace of G-d, go I.
is rather disrespectfull. Are you attempting to censor the word or is there some other reason that I am not seeing?

Some Jarhead last night: "this dumb a$$ thinks hes fireproof"


MikeGinnyGOLD Member
HOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA


Posted:
quote:
Originally posted by Raymund Phule:

I fail to understand the significance of not putting an "o" in God. Sorry but to say,
quote:
There, but for the grace of G-d, go I.
is rather disrespectfull. Are you attempting to censor the word or is there some other reason that I am not seeing?

Jewish tradition. In Judaism, it is considered idolatry to try to form a likeness of the Lord. Jews, being the paranoid, obsessive-compulsive people that we are, similarly refuse to write the name of the Lord out so as to avoid any such idolatry. For me, it's more habit than anything else, but I was raised to never write out the word when capitalized. If I'm talking about the Greek gods that's one thing, but G-d is a different story. Some people write it as G'd.

It's not disrespect, it's deference.

-Mike

Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella



A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura


MikeGinnyGOLD Member
HOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA


Posted:
quote:
Originally posted by Rozi:
How do you usually respond when this sort of thing comes inyo your life? Really badly put question, I guess what I am asking is, if you here a tale like this, do you change the way you behave? And is it a permanent change?
Permanent? I dunno. I'm going to get more than my share of death and dying, I can tell you that. I guess my job will be to try to keep it from happening...

-Mike

Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella



A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura


RoziSILVER Member
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2,996 posts
Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia


Posted:
I knew it was a really badly put question.

Its like, if you were witness to a really bad car accident, would you drive more carefully afterward?

I guess applying it to what you do, Mike, if someone came in with injuries due to an activity that you yourself do, would it make you re-assess partaking in that activity?

And how long would the change do on for? With the car accident example, I see plenty of people who see the accident, drive really carefully for about 5 minutes, and then they are back to pedal to the metal.

It was a day for screaming at inanimate objects.

What this calls for is a special mix of psychology and extreme violence...


CharlesBRONZE Member
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3,989 posts
Location: Auckland, New Zealand


Posted:
It depends how much that accident affected you within the scale of your life.

If, for example, your dad died in that accident, it would definitely make you think twice about excessive speed, and think twice about it for most of your life.

Just speaking from experience...

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Raymund Phule (Fireproof)Enter a "Title" here:
2,905 posts
Location: San Diego California


Posted:
Mike, we could go round and round with Christianity and Judaism so lets not and call it a draw.

Thank you for clarifing why you do it.

Some Jarhead last night: "this dumb a$$ thinks hes fireproof"


Bender_the_OffenderGOLD Member
still can't believe it's not butter
6,978 posts
Location: Melbourne, Australia


Posted:
quote:
Originally posted by Rozi:
do you change the way you behave? And is it a permanent change?
isn't it funny that the more important aspects of life like mortality are generally overlooked when we consider just how much of our time is spent fretting over the petty?

quote:
Fret for your figure and
Fret for your latte and
Fret for you hairpiece and
Fret for your lawsuit and
Fret for your prozac and
Fret for your pilot and
Fret for your contract and
Fret for your car
-James Maynard Keenan

Whatever your religion(or not! ) Buddhist teachings can enrich your lives by freeing you of the fear of it's end! the fundamental truth that all life is always moving, flowing and changing is the Buddhist call the 'Dharma.' If you honestly accept the dharma, you will realise that all things are impermanant, and that your sadness at loss is only due to the false perception of it's permanence. Accept the truth that all things large and small must come to an end of it's current form, and your sadness will be supplanted by the joy of what is before you. A difficult paradigm to accept, with a reward of lasting happiness (the goal of living) with this truth comes the ability to shrink the petty problems of urban life to their proper size, an ability to percieve any beauty. even american beauty.

quote:

"I guess I could be pretty pissed off about what happened to me…but it’s hard to stay mad, when there’s so much beauty in the world. Sometimes I feel like I’m seeing it all at once, and it’s too much, my heart fills up like a balloon that’s about to burst. And then I remember to relax, and stop trying to hold onto it, and then it flows through me like rain and I can’t feel anything but gratitude for every single moment of my stupid little life. You have no idea what I’m talking about, I’m sure…But don’t worry…you will someday."
-Lester Burham, American Beauty

Laugh Often, Smile Much, Post lolcats Always


MikeGinnyGOLD Member
HOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA


Posted:
I kept humming a song called "Forever Young" by Alphaville during the autopsy.

quote:

Let's dance in style, let's dance for a while.
Heaven can wait, we're only watching the skies,
Hoping for the best, but expecting the worst,
Are you going to drop the bomb or not?
Let us die young or let us live forever.
We don't have the power, but we never say never.
Sitting in a sandpit life is a short trip,
the music's for the sad man.
Can you imagine when the race is won,
Turn out all the faces into the sun,
Praising our leaders and getting in tune.
The music's played by the madman.

Forever young, I want to be forever young.
Do you really want to live forever, forever and ever?
Forever young, I want to be forever young.
Do you really want to live forever, forever young?

Some are like water, some are like heat,
Some are a melody and some are the beat.
Sooner or later we all will be gone.
Why don't we stay young?
It's so hard to get onto another course.
I don't want to perish like a fleeing horse.
Youth is like diamonds in the sun,
And diamonds are forever.
So many adventures couldn't happen today,
So many songs we forgot to play,
So many dreams swinging out of the blue,
Oh let them come true!

I generally dismiss commercial pop music as just cheesy ballads marked by some corporation selling "feel good " emotions. Every now and then, there's an exception. With this song, when I started examining these lyrics and really thinking about what they might mean, chills started running up and down my spine...

Yesterday morning, this young man's family woke up to a world without their son for the first time. This morning was the start of the first day of the rest of their lives. But this young man will always be 18.

[ 07 October 2002, 06:19: Message edited by: MikeGinny ]

-Mike

Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella



A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura


FireMikeZLaguna dude
1,438 posts
Location: Laguna, California, US


Posted:
quote:
Originally posted by SpArKiE:
i feel as thought- ppl dont want to knwo when they are goin to die.. they want to live life to what they seem the fullest. cos like hell- if i knew i was goin to die... i would be a wreck... [. . .]i would be to scared.
i would love to know when i'll (probably, as i don't believe in fate alone) die. i aim to live life to my fullest anyway, and hope to be awake, not to miss that experience, too. just get one chance, most of us, huh?

Mike,

in a sappy happy unapologetic mood, i like the song-prayer "Forever Young". . . a different one, which goes something like. . .

may your heart be always [. . .]
may your wishes all come true
may you [. . .]
the light surrounding you

. . . forever young


~ Mikie

molten cheers,

~ FireMike

FireMikeZ@yahoo.com (personal messages welcome, no promo spam, please!)
Laguna, California, US


MikeGinnyGOLD Member
HOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA


Posted:
So in response to Rozi,

I'm studying for a final today. Normally, in a fit of frustration with information overload and slow progress, I'll loudly scream that life sucks.

Today was different. I thought over the fact that I'm pretty healthy, I'm following my wildest dreams of being a doctor, my friends and family are, for the most part, healthy, and I don't need to worry about addressing my basic needs (food, shelter, health care, etc.).

Given all this, in no way could my life possibly suck. So when that fit of frustration hit me today, I simply reaffirmed to myself that life is a precious gift, went to spin poi for 10 minutes, and got back to work.

I don't feel obligated to enjoy studying for this exam, and, in fact, I sure don't enjoy it. It would be lovely if the whole exam would just up and disappear, but that's not going to happen. So how would I not be taking this exam on Tuesday? Well, I might be excused if there was a death in my family, or if I got ill or injured. So as long as I have to live and work in reality, having to take this exam on Tuesday is the best of all possible worlds.

I hope this new frame of mind lasts.

-Mike

Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella



A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura


DomBRONZE Member
Carpal \'Tunnel
3,009 posts
Location: Bristol, UK


Posted:
How do things like this affect us? Personally I think that major life events and experiences like this have large short term impacts and lesser long term effects. Over time the impact is diluted by the fact that life goes on and has good and bad aspects. However we are the sum of our experiences so they last within us always.

KyrianDreamer
4,308 posts
Location: York, England


Posted:
I'm always amazed lately by the amount of times i just look around and go "wow....."

cause life is beautiful.

it's also crazy and insane and people are doing stupid things and stuff..... but life is an amazing time, and somehow worries just seem less and less relavent lately.... and mikeg, very touvhing story, thx.

Keep your dream alive
Dreamin is still how the strong survive

Shalom VeAhavah

New Hampshire has a point....


Kurobeimember
786 posts
Location: The Phire Kru


Posted:
MikeGinny - Jesus man how do you cope with that type of thing?

whats up with all the limitations?


MikeGinnyGOLD Member
HOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA


Posted:
quote:
Originally posted by Kurobei:
MikeGinny - Jesus man how do you cope with that type of thing?
I dunno. When I saw the body, I said "woah, he looks kinda young." And the resident said "Yup, this is an 18-year-old male."

I think I said something like "Wow. That's really sad." The resident said "Yup. Too bad, huh?" And we got to work.

Well, what else are you gonna do? Gotta do your job, right? *shrug*

Lest anyone think I'm emotionally superhuman or any such silliness, there are hundreds of thousands of health care workers, emergency workers, funeral directors, etc. all over the world who also learn to deal. I am certain that most any of you could do it, too, if you had to.

-Mike

Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella



A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura


trintekmember
107 posts
Location: San Antonio, TX


Posted:
hey mike, good way to look at it man, i know that after my motorcycle wreck, in which i (like a dumbass) was not wearing a helmet, i got to walk outside after 4-5 days of being locked in bed and bored off my ass...

Tell ya straight out, after discussing with zeke everything that happened, life looked damn good to me, even with the downsides... i'm one of the damned lucky ones, hit the ground at 50+ mph and only got a bad case of roadrash. guess somebody has plans for me still, most people i know of that hit the ground at that speed are maimed majorly at the least, dead at the most.

All i can say is, my deepest regrets you have to deal with that shizt on an almost daily basis, it took me 4 days before i could bring myself to even look in the mirror, mainly due to the comparisons nurses and friends were making of my face to hamburger meat.

amazingly enough it looks like i will only end up with a very small scar on my nose, a scar near my left eye (which took a load of damage) and maybe two small scars on each hand.. as i said, i was one of the damned lucky ones.

We bleed the same blood, We cry the same tears, We have the same fears, We pass the same years, We see the same stars, Under the same skies, We pass the same time, We all live and die


MikeGinnyGOLD Member
HOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA


Posted:
quote:
Originally posted by trintek:

All i can say is, my deepest regrets you have to deal with that shizt on an almost daily basis, it took me 4 days before i could bring myself to even look in the mirror, mainly due to the comparisons nurses and friends were making of my face to hamburger meat.

amazingly enough it looks like i will only end up with a very small scar on my nose, a scar near my left eye (which took a load of damage) and maybe two small scars on each hand.. as i said, i was one of the damned lucky ones.

And people like YOU is why we keep doing it. Because there are happy endings.

-Mike

Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella



A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura


trintekmember
107 posts
Location: San Antonio, TX


Posted:
heh the sad thing is, if we had more doctors like you, i wouldnt mind going to the hospital The last two times i went to the hospital, i've been overdosed on drugs i was allergic to, then overdosed on anti-something or other drugs so i could actually keep the ice chips down during the allergic reaction phase.. to top it off, i learned from an army doc that when my arm shattered, the docs at the uni hospital put the wrong type of plates in my arm, and left them in long enough that it will cause extensive damage to remove them..

man, i wouldve killed for a cordless screwdriver that day, wouldve fixed my own damned arm

the cool news is, heres how it turned out... i have a before pic (from the day i left the hospital) and a pic taken today...

Trin all betta

We bleed the same blood, We cry the same tears, We have the same fears, We pass the same years, We see the same stars, Under the same skies, We pass the same time, We all live and die


iluminaryfaeriemember
89 posts
Location: Guelph, Ontario, Camerica


Posted:
why is it a shame he died?
sorry i don't understand; just cuz he's young it's sad?

people die. that's what we do. why shed a tear over something so inevidible? people are too clingy...to everything. i know that it's implanted in our brains and all, but christ, it's death!

and sparkie, why would you live your life in fear. yer going to die. i'm pretty sure you can count on that. you might die tomorow. you think that would make you more carefree and live life fuller.

i'm personally against doctors. i don't believe in the extent people will go to, to keep someone alive, even if it's obviously their time to go. especially keeping them on life support or soemthing equally as unholy.

live a full, short life and die, or get kept alive artificially (and by this i mean anything relevant to extending someone's life that without it they would have died ((drugs, chemo, a plastic bubble, etc.))) and live a half-life for a long drawn-out exsistence.

fear is stupid. fear of death is stupid and pointless.

orangu-funking-tan


MikeGinnyGOLD Member
HOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA


Posted:
Trin,

Wow! You heal quickly! I mean, REALLY quickly. You came that far in just over a month! Wowza! Yes, that would scare the hell out of me, too.

Faerie, it's a shame that he died because he was so young, yes. He was seven years younger than I am. I thought back to when I was 18 and all the wonderful things I've seen and done since then. He'll never get the chance.

As for the life support, it depends on the laws and the state, but often it's the family who wants the patient on life support. My advice to you is to put together an advance directive that says exactly when you want them to pull the plug on you.

-Mike

Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella



A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura


trintekmember
107 posts
Location: San Antonio, TX


Posted:
heh thanx man... I decided to disregaurd the docs advice and look at it like i view any other burn (road rash, similar enough)

Recommended amount of ensure(tm) per day is 3, so, i was downing an 8 pack per day for the first 2 weeks... emptied a large tube of triple antibiotic ointment into a babyfood jar (we use them around here for spikes, rivets, etc), mixed that with a tablespoon of honey, around 20 crushed aspirin, and a handful of pills from ye olde jar full of ephedrine and caffeine pills.

smeared that on, and didnt bother covering it... only prob i ran into was... i like sleeping on my left side,s o, sleeping on the right in order to not ruin the bedspreads and such was a pain, slept on it a few times, but, had to forcefully remove the towel i slept on from my face, and, ended up with it more swollen in the morning...

I'm lucky though, my family has a history of healing quick.. i give the scar a year or so at most until it is barely noticeable... which sux because i'd really like to keep it... reminder of what happens when i forget to take necessary precations (1) no helmet, and (2) following someone that had no brake lights...

We bleed the same blood, We cry the same tears, We have the same fears, We pass the same years, We see the same stars, Under the same skies, We pass the same time, We all live and die


MikeGinnyGOLD Member
HOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA


Posted:
quote:
Originally posted by trintek:
heh thanx man... I decided to disregaurd the docs advice and look at it like i view any other burn (road rash, similar enough)

Recommended amount of ensure(tm) per day is 3, so, i was downing an 8 pack per day for the first 2 weeks... emptied a large tube of triple antibiotic ointment into a babyfood jar (we use them around here for spikes, rivets, etc), mixed that with a tablespoon of honey, around 20 crushed aspirin, and a handful of pills from ye olde jar full of ephedrine and caffeine pills.

smeared that on, and didnt bother covering it... only prob i ran into was... i like sleeping on my left side,s o, sleeping on the right in order to not ruin the bedspreads and such was a pain, slept on it a few times, but, had to forcefully remove the towel i slept on from my face, and, ended up with it more swollen in the morning...

Goes to show you that medicine is the art of entertaining the patient while the patient heals himself.

And BTW, patients like you will make my life hell. Remind me not to take you as a patient!

-Mike

Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella



A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura


trintekmember
107 posts
Location: San Antonio, TX


Posted:
hey mike, whatever you do, don't take me as a patient there, can't say i never warned you seriously though, i had some fun at the hospital.. everything from yelling out that i looked like john candy after decomposition, to me and the trauma doc going back and forth about what was holding my nipple ring in or them telling me they had to cut off my clothing, me yelling wait! then saying "be gentle, i'm not wearing undies" ... or better yet "hey doc! i think i'm going into shock.... oh wait... nevermind, this place is friggin cold, could i get some blankets?"

We bleed the same blood, We cry the same tears, We have the same fears, We pass the same years, We see the same stars, Under the same skies, We pass the same time, We all live and die


MikeGinnyGOLD Member
HOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA


Posted:
Patients with a sense of humor are always a pleasure. I take back what I said, Trin.

-Mike

Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella



A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura


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