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Posted:
https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4363075.stm
What are your opinions on what has been done?
https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4363075.stm
What are your opinions on what has been done?
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Of course they haven't; I don't think anyone ever thought they would (stop minors getting alcohol).
No law is going to stop 100% of misuse, in the same way, the fact that murder is illegal doesn't stop murders happening, but I think it's fair to say it cuts sown the number of murders considerably
Some minors will always get their hands on alcohol, but, if the stuff was openly sellable to them, we'd be seeing a lot more alcohol abuse amongst the young.
So, yes, I'd say that it has helped.
Can you substantiate that claim?
Obviously, many of the people saved in major impacts will have ended up crippled; but I can't help feeling that there's surely got to have also been lots of people who, had they not worn a belt would have been crippled, but, because they were wearing belts, escaped serious injury.
(I'm not denying your point that some who, without belts, would have just plain died, ened up crippled because they did have belts; I'm just pointing out that ultimately the numbers cancell out)
Written by: Stone
Have these laws helped?
I don’t think they have stopped minors getting alcohol,
Of course they haven't; I don't think anyone ever thought they would (stop minors getting alcohol).
No law is going to stop 100% of misuse, in the same way, the fact that murder is illegal doesn't stop murders happening, but I think it's fair to say it cuts sown the number of murders considerably
Some minors will always get their hands on alcohol, but, if the stuff was openly sellable to them, we'd be seeing a lot more alcohol abuse amongst the young.
So, yes, I'd say that it has helped.
Written by: Stone
Seat belts may have reduced deaths, but a consequence has been an increase in the number of paraplegics and quadriplegics from car accidents.
Can you substantiate that claim?
Obviously, many of the people saved in major impacts will have ended up crippled; but I can't help feeling that there's surely got to have also been lots of people who, had they not worn a belt would have been crippled, but, because they were wearing belts, escaped serious injury.
(I'm not denying your point that some who, without belts, would have just plain died, ened up crippled because they did have belts; I'm just pointing out that ultimately the numbers cancell out)
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If ultimately the numbers just cancel out, doesnt that make any solution pointless since it is just solving one problem at the expense of creating another?
I don't like being told how to live my life, so I think any legislation of this type is wrong.
If ultimately the numbers just cancel out, doesnt that make any solution pointless since it is just solving one problem at the expense of creating another?
I don't like being told how to live my life, so I think any legislation of this type is wrong.
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Newton's Third Law of Motion: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
(I saw it on the telly a few years ago)
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Can you substantiate that claim?
Newton's Third Law of Motion: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
(I saw it on the telly a few years ago)
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*Side note there have been more extensive studies into the long term effects of cannabis use than research into long term effects of taking antidepressants which worries me but at the same time does not suprise me. *Goes off to look at some more
*Side note there have been more extensive studies into the long term effects of cannabis use than research into long term effects of taking antidepressants which worries me but at the same time does not suprise me. *Goes off to look at some more
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Posted:
When I say cancel out, I mean that the number of extra paraplegics and quadriplegics arising from the fact that people who would have been killed (had they not been wearing seatbelts) survived; would be balanced by the number's who didn't become paraplegics and quadriplegics because they were wearing belts.
ie belts save lives, we all know that; Stone was pointing out that they increase paraplegics and quadriplegics; I'm arguing that they don't.
Any rise in paraplegics and quadriplegics is balanced out, and, overall, many lives are also saved.
Does that make sense? I'm finding it tricky to state the point consisley.
When I say cancel out, I mean that the number of extra paraplegics and quadriplegics arising from the fact that people who would have been killed (had they not been wearing seatbelts) survived; would be balanced by the number's who didn't become paraplegics and quadriplegics because they were wearing belts.
ie belts save lives, we all know that; Stone was pointing out that they increase paraplegics and quadriplegics; I'm arguing that they don't.
Any rise in paraplegics and quadriplegics is balanced out, and, overall, many lives are also saved.
Does that make sense? I'm finding it tricky to state the point consisley.
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Dave I agree that seat belts have saved lives, but they have also increased the incidence of paraplegics and quadriplegics. This bit is morbid, but they have also reduced the number of organs available for donation.
I don’t see how one balances another. Seat belts are not the magic silver bullet you imply. They also have adverse effects, that people tend to ignore, as is often the case with legislative solutions.
Dave I agree that seat belts have saved lives, but they have also increased the incidence of paraplegics and quadriplegics. This bit is morbid, but they have also reduced the number of organs available for donation.
I don’t see how one balances another. Seat belts are not the magic silver bullet you imply. They also have adverse effects, that people tend to ignore, as is often the case with legislative solutions.
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Posted:
It is difficult to explain; let me try again: -
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at a time prior to seat belt laws; 4 people have an accident (not wearing seat belts).
A is in a releatively mild one- their face hits the windscreen and sustains minor damage.
B is in a harder impact, their face shatters the windscreen and they sustain serious facial and head injuries.
C goes through the window and is thrown from the car, they become paraplegic.
D is also thrown through the windscreen, they die.
Now repeat this after seat belt laws- the four people below are wearing belts
A2 in the low impact accident is completely unhurt, the belt prevents their face getting mild injuries
B2 also escapes the serious facial injuries sustained by B; admittedly, maybe they, say, get a collar bone injury from the belt; but, as in the majority of impacts, the injuries from the belt are far milder than they would be without it.
C2 is pretty roughed up, but, they do not go through the windscreen, and they do not end up as paraplegic
D2, in the most serious impact, survives (unlke D); sadly, they are seriously injured and end up as paraplegic.
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So, in this example, D2 is the class you are talking about, they have their lives saved, but, there is one more paraplegic in the world, as a direct result of wearing the belt.
However, look at C2- without a belt they would have been paraplegic, but, as a result of wearing one, they aren't- there is thus one less paraplegic in the world.
The people in class C2 may cancel out the rise in paraplegics in class D2 (I can't say for sure as I don't know the statistics).
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In this example, without belts we get
a minor injury
a serious injury
a paraplegic
a fatality
with belts-
a non-injury
a minor injury
a serious injury
a paraplegic
Overall, a life is saved, the incidence of paraplegia remains the same: the scale of injury is basically shifted down one notch.
If still in doubt, ask yourself this-
If someone you love is invoved in a serious car accident, would you rather he/she is wearing a seat belt, or that he/she isn't?
It is difficult to explain; let me try again: -
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at a time prior to seat belt laws; 4 people have an accident (not wearing seat belts).
A is in a releatively mild one- their face hits the windscreen and sustains minor damage.
B is in a harder impact, their face shatters the windscreen and they sustain serious facial and head injuries.
C goes through the window and is thrown from the car, they become paraplegic.
D is also thrown through the windscreen, they die.
Now repeat this after seat belt laws- the four people below are wearing belts
A2 in the low impact accident is completely unhurt, the belt prevents their face getting mild injuries
B2 also escapes the serious facial injuries sustained by B; admittedly, maybe they, say, get a collar bone injury from the belt; but, as in the majority of impacts, the injuries from the belt are far milder than they would be without it.
C2 is pretty roughed up, but, they do not go through the windscreen, and they do not end up as paraplegic
D2, in the most serious impact, survives (unlke D); sadly, they are seriously injured and end up as paraplegic.
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So, in this example, D2 is the class you are talking about, they have their lives saved, but, there is one more paraplegic in the world, as a direct result of wearing the belt.
However, look at C2- without a belt they would have been paraplegic, but, as a result of wearing one, they aren't- there is thus one less paraplegic in the world.
The people in class C2 may cancel out the rise in paraplegics in class D2 (I can't say for sure as I don't know the statistics).
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In this example, without belts we get
a minor injury
a serious injury
a paraplegic
a fatality
with belts-
a non-injury
a minor injury
a serious injury
a paraplegic
Overall, a life is saved, the incidence of paraplegia remains the same: the scale of injury is basically shifted down one notch.
If still in doubt, ask yourself this-
If someone you love is invoved in a serious car accident, would you rather he/she is wearing a seat belt, or that he/she isn't?
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Posted:
I comletely agree, Onewheeldave. As somebody who's job is it to sort out the pain and dysfunction of all those whiplash injuries 'caused' by wearing seatbelt, I can say with absolute certainty that after my care, the sufferers are in far far better shape than those who have had hospitalisation and rehabilitation after the spinal injury they may have sustained if they were not wearing a belt.
An interesting sidepoint - those who fracture their spines following car accidents where seatbelts are worn (D2) frequently do so because the head rest was either removed or in the wrong place for the person's head. The fracture and spinal cord injury results from the head moving backwards (the rebound after the sudden stop), not forwards.
Seatbelt AND headrest, please. Try to put me out of a job.
I comletely agree, Onewheeldave. As somebody who's job is it to sort out the pain and dysfunction of all those whiplash injuries 'caused' by wearing seatbelt, I can say with absolute certainty that after my care, the sufferers are in far far better shape than those who have had hospitalisation and rehabilitation after the spinal injury they may have sustained if they were not wearing a belt.
An interesting sidepoint - those who fracture their spines following car accidents where seatbelts are worn (D2) frequently do so because the head rest was either removed or in the wrong place for the person's head. The fracture and spinal cord injury results from the head moving backwards (the rebound after the sudden stop), not forwards.
Seatbelt AND headrest, please. Try to put me out of a job.
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Sorry - not read all of thread - i today's metro there is an article that says writing e-mails and text messages is about twice as bad as smoking dope.
And whilst looking for a link i discovered an article about a high profile father of an (ex) friend of mine is getting divorced after 30years of marriage
Sorry - not read all of thread - i today's metro there is an article that says writing e-mails and text messages is about twice as bad as smoking dope.
And whilst looking for a link i discovered an article about a high profile father of an (ex) friend of mine is getting divorced after 30years of marriage
ah wah wah wah a wah wah
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A question:
If marijuana was allowed for medicinal purposes, would it be smoked, or in pill form?
A question:
If marijuana was allowed for medicinal purposes, would it be smoked, or in pill form?
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Posted:
well there are some strains of cannabis that cause psychosis ( Blockhead from Spice of Life being one) they are generally on the whole not very common, and with the recent study finding the psychosis bit, people who grow cannabis, may be finding that some of the seeds they order come with a warning label on them about the psychosis bit. But this all comes down to the strain, and also the fact that one strain that may cause psychosis in one person could 'cure' it for another. Its all about the chemistry of the persons body and what state of mind they are in.
well there are some strains of cannabis that cause psychosis ( Blockhead from Spice of Life being one) they are generally on the whole not very common, and with the recent study finding the psychosis bit, people who grow cannabis, may be finding that some of the seeds they order come with a warning label on them about the psychosis bit. But this all comes down to the strain, and also the fact that one strain that may cause psychosis in one person could 'cure' it for another. Its all about the chemistry of the persons body and what state of mind they are in.
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onewheeldave, the majority of the medical users I know soke it because it kicks in faster then eating it, though about 40% ingest instead of smoking. Of the ones who smoke, half have a vaporiser of some sort to reduce damage caused by smoke, and the rest who dont have vaporisers still have friends who do have them, so they still use them on a regular basis.
onewheeldave, the majority of the medical users I know soke it because it kicks in faster then eating it, though about 40% ingest instead of smoking. Of the ones who smoke, half have a vaporiser of some sort to reduce damage caused by smoke, and the rest who dont have vaporisers still have friends who do have them, so they still use them on a regular basis.
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Presumably though, if it was given on prescription, it would be in pill form?
Presumably though, if it was given on prescription, it would be in pill form?
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heheh, bram...our avatars are arch nemesis' lol
heheh, bram...our avatars are arch nemesis' lol
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I heard - nasal spray
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If marijuana was allowed for medicinal purposes, would it be smoked, or in pill form?
I heard - nasal spray
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Your thinking of Sativex which is an orally administered spray, but if you talk to most med-pot users, nuttin stacks up to the real thing when grown outdoors, and 100% organically. and by the way, they still have not proven the harm done by tars released by 100% organic marijuana. As for the whole health issue around smoking pot, I believe there is one and its called quality control. NOw although I am picky enough to learn to tell the diff between organic weed and chemical [censored], most people dont and purchase inferior product from someone who only cares about $ and so feeds their plants with Miracle gro, and sparys Sulfur all over them when they get mold, or when they get mites/thrips/whiteflys the rush out and buy some toxic insecticide to kill off their pest, not thinking about the health effeect the insecticide will have on the consumers.
Your thinking of Sativex which is an orally administered spray, but if you talk to most med-pot users, nuttin stacks up to the real thing when grown outdoors, and 100% organically. and by the way, they still have not proven the harm done by tars released by 100% organic marijuana. As for the whole health issue around smoking pot, I believe there is one and its called quality control. NOw although I am picky enough to learn to tell the diff between organic weed and chemical [censored], most people dont and purchase inferior product from someone who only cares about $ and so feeds their plants with Miracle gro, and sparys Sulfur all over them when they get mold, or when they get mites/thrips/whiteflys the rush out and buy some toxic insecticide to kill off their pest, not thinking about the health effeect the insecticide will have on the consumers.
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on a side note, MoonDance did you get a chance to go to the 4:20 Cup? Gypsy and crew did a bang up job, put the CAnnabis Cup to shame. And the Godbud bubble, [censored] man, tough choice between that and the Kings Kross. From your location, am I right to guess you work in one of NIcks shops, or someone elses? Is ECSD gonna be availble over there anytime soon?
Lindin, where do you get this coma bit from, I smoked a 1/4 ounce a day for over a year, and still smoke at least an 1/8th a day now. I still have not gotten a coma, nor have I heard of anyone ever gettin gone from smoking pot from a friend of mine who sits on the committee of a local compassion club; you can however hallucinate if you ingest an oz or more of extremely high grade bud or hash, and the trip is way better then shrooms, more vivid.
on a side note, MoonDance did you get a chance to go to the 4:20 Cup? Gypsy and crew did a bang up job, put the CAnnabis Cup to shame. And the Godbud bubble, [censored] man, tough choice between that and the Kings Kross. From your location, am I right to guess you work in one of NIcks shops, or someone elses? Is ECSD gonna be availble over there anytime soon?
Lindin, where do you get this coma bit from, I smoked a 1/4 ounce a day for over a year, and still smoke at least an 1/8th a day now. I still have not gotten a coma, nor have I heard of anyone ever gettin gone from smoking pot from a friend of mine who sits on the committee of a local compassion club; you can however hallucinate if you ingest an oz or more of extremely high grade bud or hash, and the trip is way better then shrooms, more vivid.
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Funny that you would say that about the organic pot Spanner, cause last time I was at the Compassion Club, about 75% of the inventoery was organic, and that which was not underwent a 2-3 week flush. Sativex has gotten the go-ahead from the Canadian gov't, so I will know more about it within the next 3 or so months as well as most likely having the chance to try some. Maybe you should start to associate with legal medical users and volunteer at a local compassion club, then maybe you will have a better understanding of the medical marijuana scene. And by the way, I am not just talking out of my ass here, I am waiting for a Designated Growers licence right now, though it will most likely take abit for the paperwork to go through; and part of the deal with me getting my licence was that I had to grow 100% organically.
Funny that you would say that about the organic pot Spanner, cause last time I was at the Compassion Club, about 75% of the inventoery was organic, and that which was not underwent a 2-3 week flush. Sativex has gotten the go-ahead from the Canadian gov't, so I will know more about it within the next 3 or so months as well as most likely having the chance to try some. Maybe you should start to associate with legal medical users and volunteer at a local compassion club, then maybe you will have a better understanding of the medical marijuana scene. And by the way, I am not just talking out of my ass here, I am waiting for a Designated Growers licence right now, though it will most likely take abit for the paperwork to go through; and part of the deal with me getting my licence was that I had to grow 100% organically.
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Bram, do you homework. And stop wetting our boots and telling us it’s raining. Ingest an oz, lol. Are you serious ??? Don’t you know its insoluble? The medical marijuana scene, I’ve seen on telly, is based on preparing the herb by cooking.
I would expect like poppy or hemp, the raw material for the nasal spray would be grown by professionals. And It would have no recerational value. Certainly the laws in Austrralia for hemp production are very strict.
Do they perform drugs tests on registered growers?
Bram, do you homework. And stop wetting our boots and telling us it’s raining. Ingest an oz, lol. Are you serious ??? Don’t you know its insoluble? The medical marijuana scene, I’ve seen on telly, is based on preparing the herb by cooking.
I would expect like poppy or hemp, the raw material for the nasal spray would be grown by professionals. And It would have no recerational value. Certainly the laws in Austrralia for hemp production are very strict.
Do they perform drugs tests on registered growers?
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Stone, I have done my homework, at least in regards to the Canadian medical scene. No, they do not do drug tests on the registered growers, cause we have to do quality control ya know
Make sure its safe for the patients to smoke. As for ingesting an oz of pot, I always cook it before hand as the delta9-thc has to be converted to delta11-thc in order to be active. But I have met the odd med user who claims to get a buzz from eating fresh buds, usually around an 1/8th. And after Biz Ivol's case last year, I would expect to be seeing reforms in the medical marijuana scene at least to be happening very much so with in the next while. I know that so far, the marijuana chocolates company that Biz started before her passing, R.I.P. Biz, has not been bothered by local authorities and they also only use organic, or extremely well flushed cannabis for their products.
Stone, I have done my homework, at least in regards to the Canadian medical scene. No, they do not do drug tests on the registered growers, cause we have to do quality control ya know
Make sure its safe for the patients to smoke. As for ingesting an oz of pot, I always cook it before hand as the delta9-thc has to be converted to delta11-thc in order to be active. But I have met the odd med user who claims to get a buzz from eating fresh buds, usually around an 1/8th. And after Biz Ivol's case last year, I would expect to be seeing reforms in the medical marijuana scene at least to be happening very much so with in the next while. I know that so far, the marijuana chocolates company that Biz started before her passing, R.I.P. Biz, has not been bothered by local authorities and they also only use organic, or extremely well flushed cannabis for their products. Its 4:19, do you know where your lighter is?
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Bram, think they must be growing hemp (rope) in your part of the world. If it was prepared correctly, and you ingested an oz or more, you would od and wind up in hospital or the mortuary.
Bram, think they must be growing hemp (rope) in your part of the world. If it was prepared correctly, and you ingested an oz or more, you would od and wind up in hospital or the mortuary.
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hahahahahahahahahaha, thats the funniest thing I have heard all week stone, one that someone could die from eating an oz of bud, two that we are growing feral hemp in the grow rooms of BC, cause the winners of best indica and best sativa at last years cannabis cup were BC strains buddy. How about actually being a bit of a hardcore stoner for abit and then talk to me; cause if what you say is true, I should have died at least 40 times over the last 3 years.
hahahahahahahahahaha, thats the funniest thing I have heard all week stone, one that someone could die from eating an oz of bud, two that we are growing feral hemp in the grow rooms of BC, cause the winners of best indica and best sativa at last years cannabis cup were BC strains buddy. How about actually being a bit of a hardcore stoner for abit and then talk to me; cause if what you say is true, I should have died at least 40 times over the last 3 years.
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rope
Bram,
"When cannabis is eaten, the onset of effects is delayed until the active ingredients can be absorbed through the digestive system, but can then be very intense. There have been cases where people have died from excited delirium, potentially brought on by eating cannabis." (Cannabis eating and psychosis)
"With eating marijuana it’s easy to get too much of THC in your blood which can give you a very good trip or a very bad trip. You wouldn't be the first one ending up in the hospital" (drug plaza).
rope Bram,
"When cannabis is eaten, the onset of effects is delayed until the active ingredients can be absorbed through the digestive system, but can then be very intense. There have been cases where people have died from excited delirium, potentially brought on by eating cannabis." (Cannabis eating and psychosis)
"With eating marijuana it’s easy to get too much of THC in your blood which can give you a very good trip or a very bad trip. You wouldn't be the first one ending up in the hospital" (drug plaza).
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Um, I think that research may be dodgy Stone. You know, people set out to prove certain things true? I'm sure people can go loopy from eating that much, but an overdose?!?! Sounds dodgy to me.
Overdoses are a result of too many toxins in the bloodstream for the body to be able to flush out, causing the body to shut down as it can't cope. With ganja, the 'toxins' that are harmful are in the smoke. The plant itself, when not set alight and inhaled, I would imagine to be no more toxic than, say, a leaf of cabbage. THC is not really toxic in itself, as far as i'm aware it's all the other chemicals in the smoke.
Bram, can I come and work for you growing plants in 'dam? I would love to grow plants, but in London I would be arrested.
Um, I think that research may be dodgy Stone. You know, people set out to prove certain things true? I'm sure people can go loopy from eating that much, but an overdose?!?! Sounds dodgy to me.
Overdoses are a result of too many toxins in the bloodstream for the body to be able to flush out, causing the body to shut down as it can't cope. With ganja, the 'toxins' that are harmful are in the smoke. The plant itself, when not set alight and inhaled, I would imagine to be no more toxic than, say, a leaf of cabbage. THC is not really toxic in itself, as far as i'm aware it's all the other chemicals in the smoke.
Bram, can I come and work for you growing plants in 'dam? I would love to grow plants, but in London I would be arrested.
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when prescribed, it can come in many forms. including the standard buds (which here in california are vaporized rather than smoked). the vaporizer, for those of you who may not know about these devices, consists of a heating element (ceramic, covered with glass) plus another glass "bowl" connected to a tube. it looks kind of like a hookah-tube. the plant matter goes into the bowl, which is held up to the heating element. the element heats the plant matter enough to vaporize the thc without burning anything. what is inhaled then, is thc vapor, and it is not as harmful as smoking it would be since nothing is actually being burned. it feels more like it feels when it's been ingested.
a friend of mine who has a prescription (to combat wasting syndrome due to HIV/AIDS) also has gotten lozenges and a pill form called "marinol".
frankly, i think if someone has a psychotic break, they were heading down that road anyway. the marijuana may have exacerbated a condition already there, but to say it "caused" the psychosis is really, based on personal experience, a load of anti-drug propaganda. my partner is a psychoanalyst who specializes in working with psychotic adults (and some teenagers) and scoffs at the idea that smoking pot causes psychosis. hallucinogens or amphetamines are another story, but marijuana, no. he can be much more articulate about his reasoning than i can, however.
when prescribed, it can come in many forms. including the standard buds (which here in california are vaporized rather than smoked). the vaporizer, for those of you who may not know about these devices, consists of a heating element (ceramic, covered with glass) plus another glass "bowl" connected to a tube. it looks kind of like a hookah-tube. the plant matter goes into the bowl, which is held up to the heating element. the element heats the plant matter enough to vaporize the thc without burning anything. what is inhaled then, is thc vapor, and it is not as harmful as smoking it would be since nothing is actually being burned. it feels more like it feels when it's been ingested.
a friend of mine who has a prescription (to combat wasting syndrome due to HIV/AIDS) also has gotten lozenges and a pill form called "marinol".
frankly, i think if someone has a psychotic break, they were heading down that road anyway. the marijuana may have exacerbated a condition already there, but to say it "caused" the psychosis is really, based on personal experience, a load of anti-drug propaganda. my partner is a psychoanalyst who specializes in working with psychotic adults (and some teenagers) and scoffs at the idea that smoking pot causes psychosis. hallucinogens or amphetamines are another story, but marijuana, no. he can be much more articulate about his reasoning than i can, however.
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Posted:
cause vs. exacerbation.
Does it necessarily matter? If someones got an underlying tendency that, without a weed habit, wouldn't mainfest, but, with a weed habit, will- isn't it fair to say that they're far better off not smoking it?
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frankly, i think if someone has a psychotic break, they were heading down that road anyway. the marijuana may have exacerbated a condition already there, but to say it "caused" the psychosis is really, based on personal experience, a load of anti-drug propaganda. my partner is a psychoanalyst who specializes in working with psychotic adults (and some teenagers) and scoffs at the idea that smoking pot causes psychosis. hallucinogens or amphetamines are another story, but marijuana, no. he can be much more articulate about his reasoning than i can, however.
cause vs. exacerbation.
Does it necessarily matter? If someones got an underlying tendency that, without a weed habit, wouldn't mainfest, but, with a weed habit, will- isn't it fair to say that they're far better off not smoking it?
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yeh, i ate a big red candle
yeh, i ate a big red candle
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Posted:
No, perhaps it doesn't necessarily matter. As for being better off not smoking it -- perhaps, but that doesn't mean that the break wouldn't have happened even without the weed as many psychotic episodes are associated with extended periods of stress or a traumatic event. And when drugs are involved, it tends to be in the LSD or methamphetamine realm. And, so much of it depends on other factors in an individual's life.
I'm not claiming to know I'm right, given my layman's knowledge, but the understanding I've gleaned from conversations with mental health professionals and my own personal experience leads me to believe that smoking weed would hardly be the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back in the case of a psychotic event.
No, perhaps it doesn't necessarily matter. As for being better off not smoking it -- perhaps, but that doesn't mean that the break wouldn't have happened even without the weed as many psychotic episodes are associated with extended periods of stress or a traumatic event. And when drugs are involved, it tends to be in the LSD or methamphetamine realm. And, so much of it depends on other factors in an individual's life.
I'm not claiming to know I'm right, given my layman's knowledge, but the understanding I've gleaned from conversations with mental health professionals and my own personal experience leads me to believe that smoking weed would hardly be the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back in the case of a psychotic event.
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Posted:
Well Tea Fairy, at least I've done some research
I dunno about toxins, but too much of anything can be poisonous, even water. And you can get a lot more thc into your system if you ingest, as in cookies. And people have certainly OD’d on cookies.
First there were some rather naive Mormons who ate too many cookies while doing the rounds. They ended up “off their tree” and were hospitalised. The culprits were severely punished. Then there are my experiences from an alternative lifestyle festival in Aust, where people were hospitalised because they ignored advice and ate two many cookies. I’ve also read about similar incidents occurring at British festivals. And there was the teacher who baked a cake… Wot don’t you believe?
blueboy, too much pot can cause hallucinogens
Well Tea Fairy, at least I've done some research
I dunno about toxins, but too much of anything can be poisonous, even water. And you can get a lot more thc into your system if you ingest, as in cookies. And people have certainly OD’d on cookies.
First there were some rather naive Mormons who ate too many cookies while doing the rounds. They ended up “off their tree” and were hospitalised. The culprits were severely punished. Then there are my experiences from an alternative lifestyle festival in Aust, where people were hospitalised because they ignored advice and ate two many cookies. I’ve also read about similar incidents occurring at British festivals. And there was the teacher who baked a cake… Wot don’t you believe?
blueboy, too much pot can cause hallucinogens
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
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I talked with a buddy of mine who is quite the expert in this field and he told me that an "overdose" brought on by eating too much cooked weed isn't fatal,,but it will leave you maybe wishing you were dead.
He's saying that the toxic dose of cannabis, in humans , has yet to be determined but it's not unconceivable that someone stupid enough to cook up and eat something like an ounce of weed may find themselves seeking medical attention Call it a case of too much of a good thing
I talked with a buddy of mine who is quite the expert in this field and he told me that an "overdose" brought on by eating too much cooked weed isn't fatal,,but it will leave you maybe wishing you were dead.
He's saying that the toxic dose of cannabis, in humans , has yet to be determined but it's not unconceivable that someone stupid enough to cook up and eat something like an ounce of weed may find themselves seeking medical attention Call it a case of too much of a good thing
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