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what is perfection"? i mean really, i was thinking a bit about this today and i realised that how can you say nothing is perfect? some small things maybe but then i thought how earth has been supporting life for millions of years, it seems to do a pretty damn good job of it. i dont know, maybe i'm crazee but it made sense at the time. maybe its perfection when you percieve it that way, but if you never believe something can be perfect then there never will be!
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what is perfection"? i mean really, i was thinking a bit about this today and i realised that how can you say nothing is perfect? some small things maybe but then i thought how earth has been supporting life for millions of years, it seems to do a pretty damn good job of it. i dont know, maybe i'm crazee but it made sense at the time. maybe its perfection when you percieve it that way, but if you never believe something can be perfect then there never will be!
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Posted:
Well well....
Perfection is perception. What one person may find perfect, another may find flawed. In what way is the Earth perfect,it is perfect to support life now, but will it be in 20 years time? Is it perfect that we die? Is it perfect that we still suffer?
Objectively, it cant be defined, subjectively it can
on a microcosmic scale, Communism works, on a macrocosmic scale, it dont (Russia vs. Kibbutz)
Look at small things, they are perfection. A diamond? An Amoeba? The red blood cell?
I think that perfection for purpose can be attained, for example a Playstation 2 is perfect for playing GTA, but imperfect for playing Halo2, or bashing in nails,or ruling the world.
My 2p worth
Well well....
Perfection is perception. What one person may find perfect, another may find flawed. In what way is the Earth perfect,it is perfect to support life now, but will it be in 20 years time? Is it perfect that we die? Is it perfect that we still suffer?
Objectively, it cant be defined, subjectively it can
on a microcosmic scale, Communism works, on a macrocosmic scale, it dont (Russia vs. Kibbutz)
Look at small things, they are perfection. A diamond? An Amoeba? The red blood cell?
I think that perfection for purpose can be attained, for example a Playstation 2 is perfect for playing GTA, but imperfect for playing Halo2, or bashing in nails,or ruling the world.
My 2p worth
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give me a ps2 and i'll show you you can rule the world!!!!!!
give me a ps2 and i'll show you you can rule the world!!!!!!
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in the tri-city area of San Andreas, thats for sure...
in the tri-city area of San Andreas, thats for sure...
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san andres, sif! i thought up gta3 three years before it even came out, i'm way ahead of those so called game makers! although i must admit having a low rider bike was all them :P
san andres, sif! i thought up gta3 three years before it even came out, i'm way ahead of those so called game makers! although i must admit having a low rider bike was all them :P
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well the way i see it is that perfection is when something performs in a way that it is suppose to. so if something happens (past) then it happend the only way possible under the certain circumstances and therefore performed perfectly. but when something such as a plan, which is based in the mind where the subject defines the world's laws, is put into the real world where the objects define the laws things can be imperfect. that is things can not go according to plan.
*now heres the brain melter.*
so every object is perfect and every subject is imperfect. BUT because every object is subject to another object, everything is imperfect and therefore perfect.
did i lose anyone?
well the way i see it is that perfection is when something performs in a way that it is suppose to. so if something happens (past) then it happend the only way possible under the certain circumstances and therefore performed perfectly. but when something such as a plan, which is based in the mind where the subject defines the world's laws, is put into the real world where the objects define the laws things can be imperfect. that is things can not go according to plan.
*now heres the brain melter.*
so every object is perfect and every subject is imperfect. BUT because every object is subject to another object, everything is imperfect and therefore perfect.
did i lose anyone?
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Yup, you lost me.
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Nothing but pornography
No more rated g in a perfect world"
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Nothing but pornography
No more rated g in a perfect world"
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not me brain im right there with you
see i have always thought that perfection and PERCEPTION go hand in hand. i agree with the past being perfect because it could not have happened any other way, objects being perfect and so forth, but the matter of perfection is all in perceptions. while you may percive a plan falling apart, once it falls apart its the past, there for perfect, but in the present you dont see it that way, perception.........get what im saying
not me brain im right there with you
see i have always thought that perfection and PERCEPTION go hand in hand. i agree with the past being perfect because it could not have happened any other way, objects being perfect and so forth, but the matter of perfection is all in perceptions. while you may percive a plan falling apart, once it falls apart its the past, there for perfect, but in the present you dont see it that way, perception.........get what im saying
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its pretty good knowing at least one person understands the giberish coming out of my mouth.
now i guess we just ahve to think about how the future relates to perfection. hmmmm.
hey wait a minute...once the future become the present it becomes the past...so is there any difference between the past and the present. and then the past influences the our actions in the future. but if we learn from the past to influence our future then how is are present actions different from future actions....so i guess the only perfect future action comes from a compleate understanding of the past...i need to take more history courses.
its pretty good knowing at least one person understands the giberish coming out of my mouth.
now i guess we just ahve to think about how the future relates to perfection. hmmmm.
hey wait a minute...once the future become the present it becomes the past...so is there any difference between the past and the present. and then the past influences the our actions in the future. but if we learn from the past to influence our future then how is are present actions different from future actions....so i guess the only perfect future action comes from a compleate understanding of the past...i need to take more history courses.
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no you dont need more classes, you hit the nail on the head with that last statment, thats why i realy push history with my daughter, and shes only 5........you see while the past could not have happened any other way (making it perfect in a way) lets face truth here, ALOT of things that transpired(sp?) werent perfect at the time......so the only way to percive our future as being possibly perfect is to NOT let our past repeat itself, cause once it does its no longer the past, but the present, and no longer perfect, till it is the past.........its all about perception
Written by: Burning Brain
.so i guess the only perfect future action comes from a compleate understanding of the past...i need to take more history courses.
no you dont need more classes, you hit the nail on the head with that last statment, thats why i realy push history with my daughter, and shes only 5........you see while the past could not have happened any other way (making it perfect in a way) lets face truth here, ALOT of things that transpired(sp?) werent perfect at the time......so the only way to percive our future as being possibly perfect is to NOT let our past repeat itself, cause once it does its no longer the past, but the present, and no longer perfect, till it is the past.........its all about perception
You can't avoid pain by fencing yourself from it.
Some times you need the help of others more than anything else
But you have to let them close enough to help......
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Posted:
Perfection is all about perception in a broad sense, but as mentioned before, the simpler the situation, the easier it becomes to define perceptin via certain parameters.
A perfect game of 500 would be to bid 10 hearts, and to get 10 hearts. Nice and simple, as the rules are simple.
I also believe perfection is the 'perfect' goal, for arts and skills such as poi/staff, balloon sculpting, juggling etc etc. The concept of perfection is easy to see in your mind, and then it becomes a faster progression along the path towards that goal than without it.
Yet again, perfection can be defined as the "best possible result", and applied to all manner of things, particularly the best effort an individual committs to an action. Regardless of other people's achievements, that maximum effort by the individual is the perfect result for that indidvidual...
and...
plus...
as well as...
including...
etc etc etc
Perfection is all about perception in a broad sense, but as mentioned before, the simpler the situation, the easier it becomes to define perceptin via certain parameters.
A perfect game of 500 would be to bid 10 hearts, and to get 10 hearts. Nice and simple, as the rules are simple.
I also believe perfection is the 'perfect' goal, for arts and skills such as poi/staff, balloon sculpting, juggling etc etc. The concept of perfection is easy to see in your mind, and then it becomes a faster progression along the path towards that goal than without it.
Yet again, perfection can be defined as the "best possible result", and applied to all manner of things, particularly the best effort an individual committs to an action. Regardless of other people's achievements, that maximum effort by the individual is the perfect result for that indidvidual...
and...
plus...
as well as...
including...
etc etc etc
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i dunno its a strange thing to think about, but really who can really determine wether something is perfect. I think you would never be able to determine or define what perfect is...i just think we like to think things in this world can be perfect...rather than inperfect...
but hey thats just my thoughts : )
i dunno its a strange thing to think about, but really who can really determine wether something is perfect. I think you would never be able to determine or define what perfect is...i just think we like to think things in this world can be perfect...rather than inperfect...
but hey thats just my thoughts : ) ~*~peace and trust takes years to build, yet takes only seconds to shatter~*~
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did you read all the posts firestarter? i think brain and fryed fish got it pretty good. i'd never considered the past and present bit, but it makes sense. if the past is perfect because it couldn't have happened any other way, then to repeat it would be imperfect, hence you should learn from the past.
(someones been listening to the prodigy)
did you read all the posts firestarter? i think brain and fryed fish got it pretty good. i'd never considered the past and present bit, but it makes sense. if the past is perfect because it couldn't have happened any other way, then to repeat it would be imperfect, hence you should learn from the past.
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Perfection = Me
My mum, had me, which is in the past, therefore I was perfect, I cannot learn from mistakes as perfection has no mistakes.. so i'll always be perfect.. dunno about you lot....
Perfection = Me
My mum, had me, which is in the past, therefore I was perfect, I cannot learn from mistakes as perfection has no mistakes.. so i'll always be perfect.. dunno about you lot....
I used to be indecisive, but I'm not so sure now.....
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right
well perfect can be used as an adverb or a adjective. *actions* can only happen one way in the past, but nouns change over time, and a mistake is the comparison between a mind's idea of a action and the actual action. so the only mistake is in the mind. that is it was a mistake that one thinks an action should be performed in a different way then it did.
rightwell perfect can be used as an adverb or a adjective. *actions* can only happen one way in the past, but nouns change over time, and a mistake is the comparison between a mind's idea of a action and the actual action. so the only mistake is in the mind. that is it was a mistake that one thinks an action should be performed in a different way then it did.
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hence its all in your head*
everything in the world is perfect, just people are too stupid to realise it
*chicken run is such a cool movie!
hence its all in your head*
everything in the world is perfect, just people are too stupid to realise it
*chicken run is such a cool movie!
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(about the everything being perfest already bit)
(about the everything being perfest already bit)
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perfection would be boring.
perfection would be boring.
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perfection is not for attainment but a constant aspiration and happiness is a way of traveling not a destination
perfection is not for attainment but a constant aspiration and happiness is a way of traveling not a destination
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perfection already is.
we delude ourselves into thinking that things are imperfect.
suffering is an illusion.
very convincing, sure...
happiness is a state of mind... you choose how you relate to what you perceive.
perfection already is.
we delude ourselves into thinking that things are imperfect.
suffering is an illusion.
very convincing, sure...
happiness is a state of mind... you choose how you relate to what you perceive.
those that know, dont say. those that say, dont know.
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we being a part of the fabric can only make out the patern by following the course of our own threads and those that touch upon us , the true nature of the weave eludes us in its certainty
who sets the patern and is perfection to be found in the loom?
we being a part of the fabric can only make out the patern by following the course of our own threads and those that touch upon us , the true nature of the weave eludes us in its certainty
who sets the patern and is perfection to be found in the loom?
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each thread is perfect.
the threading together of many threads is perfect.
the end result is perfect.
the journey is as perfect as the destination.
even imperfections are perfect. they play their part of being an imperfect thing, perfectly!
each thread is perfect.
the threading together of many threads is perfect.
the end result is perfect.
the journey is as perfect as the destination.
even imperfections are perfect. they play their part of being an imperfect thing, perfectly!
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or an open mezzaire hand could also equal perfection, as it is considered to be in our house
much respect to the prefect hand
Written by: Charles
A perfect game of 500 would be to bid 10 hearts, and to get 10 hearts. Nice and simple, as the rules are simple.
or an open mezzaire hand could also equal perfection, as it is considered to be in our house
much respect to the prefect hand
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Do you come along to the Tuesday spin Majestik?
i'm not sure i recognise you.
Do you know Raj?
Anyway. Imagine this.
Years in the future Nuclear war has decimated all infrustructure.
There is no Power. There is no Petrol for cars. there are no more banks so money is rendered useless.
Everyone lives in small communities in forest areas close to the coast line where there is fertile soil for farming and animals to hunt.
Your favourite band is your buddy with a guitar. your favourite food is the fish you caught and potatoes you dug up. Your expensive designer clothes wore away long before so Pelt's and Natural fibres are what keeps you warm. There is no fashion anymore. No ciggarette's. You brew your own beer.
Jugglers, spinners and anyone with a performance art talent is treated with upmost respect because there is no TV and entertainment is the human body and its movement and grace. Books are hot commodity and are traded like food supplies and equipment.
Everyone respects one another. There is no sefishness or shame.
Crime is punished by banishment from your community. Everyone loves one another. There is sharing and understanding.
And best of all. Your life will truly be what you make it. if you decide to just give up and be miserable you will be.
But if you work hard. enjoy life, respect your fellow man and be a good honest human being. then you will be happy.
Well. it looks like my idea of a perfect world is kinda strange yeah?
basically my idea of perfection is going back to the very basic's of survival.
Here are my commandments
Farm your food. make your entertainment. abandon your god. love your fellow man. work hard. Meditate. enjoy life. respect nature. respect yourself. live right.
Do you come along to the Tuesday spin Majestik?
i'm not sure i recognise you.
Do you know Raj?
Anyway. Imagine this.
Years in the future Nuclear war has decimated all infrustructure.
There is no Power. There is no Petrol for cars. there are no more banks so money is rendered useless.
Everyone lives in small communities in forest areas close to the coast line where there is fertile soil for farming and animals to hunt.
Your favourite band is your buddy with a guitar. your favourite food is the fish you caught and potatoes you dug up. Your expensive designer clothes wore away long before so Pelt's and Natural fibres are what keeps you warm. There is no fashion anymore. No ciggarette's. You brew your own beer.
Jugglers, spinners and anyone with a performance art talent is treated with upmost respect because there is no TV and entertainment is the human body and its movement and grace. Books are hot commodity and are traded like food supplies and equipment.
Everyone respects one another. There is no sefishness or shame.
Crime is punished by banishment from your community. Everyone loves one another. There is sharing and understanding.
And best of all. Your life will truly be what you make it. if you decide to just give up and be miserable you will be.
But if you work hard. enjoy life, respect your fellow man and be a good honest human being. then you will be happy.
Well. it looks like my idea of a perfect world is kinda strange yeah?
basically my idea of perfection is going back to the very basic's of survival.
Here are my commandments
Farm your food. make your entertainment. abandon your god. love your fellow man. work hard. Meditate. enjoy life. respect nature. respect yourself. live right.
Fair luna bright, fair luna moon
it shines at night but fades too soon
fair luna moon, fair luna bright
forever we dance
we dance under starlight
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man, that is so sweet.
beautifully, perfectly spoken, doktorskell.
touches a deep recess inside me... resonating its truth...
man, that is so sweet.
beautifully, perfectly spoken, doktorskell.
touches a deep recess inside me... resonating its truth...
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sounds good to me. but can we do it?
sounds good to me. but can we do it?
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we are only restricted by what we think we are incapable of achieving..
if we think we can do something, we can.
believe in the self is essential for any kind of transformation to occur.
not only is it possible, rikstik, its inevitable.
part of the problem? or part of the solution?
a drop in the ocean is not much, but take away every single drop, and there is no ocean..
we are only restricted by what we think we are incapable of achieving..
if we think we can do something, we can.
believe in the self is essential for any kind of transformation to occur.
not only is it possible, rikstik, its inevitable.
part of the problem? or part of the solution?
a drop in the ocean is not much, but take away every single drop, and there is no ocean..
those that know, dont say. those that say, dont know.
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Given that, in the past when this was pretty much the case-
yet, in those times, there was widespread oppression, disrespect, lack of understanding, slavery and widespread warfare.
What factors do you think will be different in future 'primitive' communities to past ones; that will ensure the respect they lacked will prevail in future ones?
Given that, in the past when this was pretty much the case-
Written by: DoktorSkell
There is no Power. There is no Petrol for cars. there are no more banks so money is rendered useless.
Everyone lives in small communities in forest areas close to the coast line where there is fertile soil for farming and animals to hunt.
.........
Jugglers, spinners and anyone with a performance art talent is treated with upmost respect .........Books are hot commodity and are traded like food supplies and equipment.
Everyone respects one another. There is no sefishness or shame.
Crime is punished by banishment from your community. Everyone loves one another. There is sharing and understanding.
yet, in those times, there was widespread oppression, disrespect, lack of understanding, slavery and widespread warfare.
What factors do you think will be different in future 'primitive' communities to past ones; that will ensure the respect they lacked will prevail in future ones?
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what makes you guys think a perfect world can be concieved in your imagination.
what makes you guys think a perfect world can be concieved in your imagination.
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what makes you think it cant?
what makes you think it cant?
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