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quote:Conductive plastic?? Flexable and will carry all the current. might get hot and sweaty though.
Originally posted by mrFlibble:
some sort of metal chain main all body suit would protect you. (it acts basically as a Faraday cage ) any current would flow through it and not you. Could be a bit restrictive though
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code:Affraid I'm not very good at my stick men diagrams but hopefully that gives the idea of the two different methods I can see may be possible.
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quote:I still think that conductive plasitic outside, rubber coated inside would do it. Would probally have to be molded to your body, and have built in eye googles. Could you imagine electricity sparking into your eyes. OUCH
Originally posted by KorinFox:
anyways a protective suit... Acting like a faraday cage would be near impossible... since in order for it to be able to protect you, you cannot touch the suit AT ALL other wise you would be electrocuted... (not good given about 5 mA can kill someone).
quote:For the voltages needed to produce sparks big enough for this I think you will be talking something more like 100s of thousands of pounds. But O think we are just talking theoretically.
Originally posted by KorinFox:
Also something to consider. Without using huge and excess amounts of static electricity and carrying around hundreds of dollars (or pounds... for you British...) of equipment it is not possible to do static electricity as well in humid conditions than in dry conditions (physics teacher said this... and the sparks in the experiments weren't too large, it was in the spring).
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quote:Fro mreading through a few people experiments it seems 3-4 foot arcs can be achieved drwing 20A on 110V, or about 10A on 220V. As I am British I will say thats its 10A at 250V for easynesses stake.
You are literally playing Russian Roulette when you stick a hand held metal rod into the output streamer of your coil running at 3kvA, while standing on a concrete floor!!! When you start running these kind of power levels (or even less) some coils have a tendency to form a corona or even send a streamer down to their own primaries every once in a while. A grounded strike ring is often added around the primary to try to prevent this self striking streamer from hitting the primary coil and thus introducing a high voltage pulse into the 'bottom end electronics' where it could do damage to components. These strike rails are not 100% effective. The streamer can still, and sometimes does strike a point downstairs that is part of the LETHAL high voltage 60 Hz circuitry. When such a contact is made, any person also connected to a corona/streamer link to the secondary at the same time will, via the ionized air path, become connected to lethal 60 Hz mains current. You could try the trick you described standing on the cement floor in your tennis shoes half a dozen times and live, or be killed the very next time you try it. The fact that the bottom of your secondary is tied to ground will not save you!
If you isolate your own body well away from the floor and any other potentially conductive objects in the vicinity, such as sitting or standing on an elevated insulated platform (I would NOT consider a plastic milk crate adequate!), then you will probably survive if 60 Hz is introduced into the streamer you are in contact with by the mechanism described above. However, in setting up this insulated platform you must consider the path that may be taken from streamers that will re-emerge from your body and head off looking for other targets, which could result in direct contact with earth ground again.
In a safety warning I have about the potential hazards of Tesla coils mention is made of a stage lecturer while demonstrating how he could cause long sparks to come out of his fingers (by standing on a specially constructed coil), was electrocuted when the discharge created an ionized path to grounded overhead pipes supporting stage back drops, and the lower voltage but far more deadly 60 cycle current passed through his body along that path. The name of this lecturer is believed to be Transtrom.
I was dinking around once with a vacuum tube coil drawing 15 inch streamers to a hand-held, 10 megohm metal film porcelain resistor about a foot long while standing on a carpeted, elevated wooden floor in composition rubber soled dry shoes. I inadvertently got the resistor too close to the primary tank coil (the top end directly connected to the 3 kilovolt output of the plate supply transformer) and the high voltage RF closed a path to the primary. I felt an uncomfortable 60 Hz shock through my entire body. Had that resistor been a solid metal rod I would have experienced a very painful jolt or worse, and had I been standing on a cement floor, I'd probably be 'worm food'.
I think the danger of electrocution is just as real by making contact with a hand held florescent lamp tube, as any solid conducting metal object.
I cringe when I hear of some body contact stunts proposed by people on this list! The potential (no pun intended) for death is very real. Be EXTREMELY careful!
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The 60 cycle side of things is where electrocution can happen. Keep well away from any 60 cycle leads, use grounds and cages as appropriate. Bear in mind that if a radio frequency arc starts from a place which also has 60 cycles on it (one side of a primary circuit, for example) there is the possibility of high-current 60 cycle conduction along the ionized path. That could be deadly.....
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quote:Van De Graff Generators (VDGG) are not the same as Tesla coils. AVDGG accumulates a fairly hefty static charge on the sphere at the top, enough to make your hair stand on end or numb your arm if it gets discharged to earth through it.
Are you using a device tesla coil ... This is fairly similar to the Van-de-grafe generators used at school, which use static electricity
quote:Korin, suits like this are used by workers on high tension power lines in every country on Earth, they are constructed from a fabric composed of woven steelwire. As long as NO PART of your body pokes through the suit you're
a protective suit... Acting like a faraday cage would be near impossible... since in order for it to be able to protect you, you cannot touch the suit AT ALL other wise you would be electrocuted...
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