Forums > Advanced Poi Moves > The Poi "I just learned a new advanced move / combo" thread

Posted: 28th Dec 2009
Originally Posted By: Sister Eleven And if I get it soon I'll be the only spinner I know in person who can actually do it. So what I'm getting at is I might need to borrow the Lab's high speed camera for a tutorial when I get it.


Here, i dont have a high speed camera but this should show you whats happening

Posted: 29th Dec 2009
i can do this and some varitions,ill go and make a quick vid of it and put a link up,i dont know if it will be any good but ill give it a go!its so nice to do!

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Posted: 29th Dec 2009
Finally got my first six or so butterfloops, but I can't sustain them. I actually have the same problem I have with same hand butterflies: they'll tilt off to my left and either hit my arm or each other. I'm not sure if I just drive them wrong, or if there's some distortion in my normal butterfly that makes it go wonky when they have the same drive point. But at least I also figured how to get out of them pretty quickly.

EDIT: I'll let you know if there's any word on that high speed camera...
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EDIT_REASON: see edit note

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Posted: 2nd Jan 2010
3bt crossers... can't visualize it but i will give it a try. is it in butterfly or same direction?

Posted: 3rd Jan 2010
The closest thing I can figure to a three beat crosser is actually a crosser version of a wheelplane meltdown, which is itself just a crosser turn back and forth. But besides doing a weave off to one side with a crosser arm position most of the time, I have a hard time picturing other ways of putting beats into something crosser-like.

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Posted: 5th Jan 2010
It's been a while since I updated on here. Really feel like I have made some breakthroughs lately.

Have been playing with loads of butterfly variations recently. Got my butterfly/nunchuck stalls down, wallplane butterfly flowers,w/ extentions, butterflys to caps, butterfly w/ floaters, antispin butterfly flower variations. All both forwards and reverse

Got whip catches down a few days ago too, still a little sloppy, but feels like a massive achievment.

Got lots of floaters down, which is leading on to cat eye stuff.

Isolation/extention hybrids (only touching the surface of this though).

It's taken some time, but I am finally a lot more confident with my crossers/huggies, both forward and reverse, now to get turning with them

Buzzsaw stalls, buzzsaw flower w/ extentions.

Got standard 4 petal antispin flowers a lot cleaner now, working on getting it backwards too so I can turn with it. Also been playing with different amounts of petals, as well as petal/extentions too.

A few different CAP variations.

Been playing with the wallplane flower/isolation "stretchy poi" stuff too.

Been messing about with the "prayer move" lols too.

Lots of stall work, my vertical stalls are much much cleaner, split time stalls need some work but are getting there.

Picked up the Nevisoul continuious spiral wrap the other day too

During the colder months I have geeked out on learning and going over all my individual "moves" as I am limited in the amount of space I can utilize in my room, can't wait to see what summer brings

Quite a productive spinning month for me. Am nearly reaching my 1st poi birthday (poithday?) too ;D

Would like to spend some time on BTB stuff, but just don't have the space... Oh well, I'll learn waist wrappy stuff when spring comes
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Posted: 6th Jan 2010
Nice work.

^5

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"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "Or you wouldn't have come here."
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Posted: 6th Jan 2010
Time to update, I learned many things:
Turning with crossers
Dodging daggers
Cateye/extension hybrid (makes a giant full cat eye shape)
Inspin flower pirouettes
Btb CAPS thing I saw Nevisoul do and thought was really cool
Shotgun spiral
Making a little prgress on silly walk
Pirouetting cleanly in place
wierd wallplane flower same direction split time hands together but it goes in a continous circle
Wallplane flowers with extensions
Butterfly inspin wallplane fower (happy about this one )
Wierd waitwrap type thingy I made up (A 360 waistwrap has 3 different positions, this one has 4)
Picking up much better footwork courtesy of a great quality video of Nevisoul (thank you person in audience with a good camera)
Getting forward antispin flower so I can spin with it
Pirouette with extension in place
Butterfly reel thing I made up
Very much cleaned up my triquetra by forcing my hands together
Learned some good things that go together and made some cool transitions, like my butterfly reel thing into a butterfly wallplane inspin flower to splittime butterfly extentsion to horizontal whirl to sametime extention and I want to add antispin stuff but I can't spin with antispin yet.
I learned all the 1.5 beat stuff I can think of (one spinning, one pendulum)
And I'm going back and learning all the stuff I couldn't do both directions in the other direction, example being 4x4 fountain just today
And I think that's it.
Edit: I forgot the stretching circles stuff
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Posted: 11th Jan 2010
i'm so close to butterflooping zan's diamond. kind of a pointless trick, but still fun.

i'm also working on unit circle hybrid weaves thanks to charlies cateye weave video.

Posted: 13th Jan 2010
Just got a 3bt butterfly weave. I'd known it could be done, but finally seeing someone else do it helped me figure out the awkward cadence.

Also figured out a few flowery pendulum transitions, which at least provide some fun direction-changing turns and elaborate pseudo-weaves.

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Posted: 13th Jan 2010
I can do it, it feels odd, but I generally don't use butterfly weave. But what's that thing called when you take the butterfly weave and turn with it on a wallplane? I think it was Pacman something. Although if I got firesnakes, I could really make it look like Pacman ^^ As for me I learned hybrid crossers, another wallplane pendulum move, reverse pendulum weave, a thing with I think it's called beatswitch, you have like same direction splittime angel wings and you bring it in front and put your hands together and spin, keeping your hands in the same spot while you spin. I know it was on Nevisouls "New/Old Poi Stuff" video. Also, I love the combo, haven't gotten to do outside which means not really much at all, I can way shorten them up along with my arms though, going from inspin butterfly wallplane flower, to splittime butterfly extensions while whirling, to hirizontal whirling, to vertical same direction whirling. I've been working more on transitions that don't require much space lately too.

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Posted: 13th Jan 2010
Yeah, the 3bt butterfly weave was really more a proof of concept thing. The two beat version is really much more appealing and fun to work with.

On an unrelated note, I got an isolation/extension hybrid today. This is offset by the fact that I seem to be unable to duplicate my early success with antispin turns

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Posted: 14th Jan 2010
CAPS forward/back and turns,
TTN behind my head
one handed butterfly, throw one poi and catch behind my back

yay

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Posted: 14th Jan 2010
I can almost do antispin turns
Nevisoul's "Huggieisolationovertheheadcombo" oh my god I love the feel so much, you have to try it if you haven't
Nevisoul's "Isolation something" from his New/Old Poi Stuff video
Nevisoul's continuous spiral
Monkeyjump and stalls that go with it
More playing with Beatswitch
Making more progress on wrapping in the middle of spinning different things, have to say, more worth learning than I originally thought
Touched some on a Atomic Waistwrap having difficulty repeating it consistency though
Wallplane flower, arms splittime butterfly, poi same direction, one an extention, other antispin
Getting really good with linear isolations just because I love the look of pulling apart circles, it's so mystifying O_O
Hybrid crossers
Btb crossers
Isolation-trifoil hybrid
Great improvement on footwork even though I haven't been working on it
With all these things I've learned, it's opened up so much for dance

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Posted: 19th Jan 2010
The 3 bt atomic weave.



This opens up a whole new chapter, no, volume, of my poi world.

Thank you very much to Nick Cann, Alienjon, and others who commented on the "atomics" thread.

Posted: 20th Jan 2010
I dunno if this is super new or nothing but it is something I came up with without the help of the internet in anyway. I have worked on inverted weaves and the real straight jacket for a while now and that helped me learn thing.

I like to call it an Inverted Fountain. When it comes to the transfer between the top and the bottom I invert it between my arms like any other inversion. Hard thing about it is that the top inversion im fighting gravity and it makes the exit messy

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Posted: 21st Jan 2010
Figured out not-1.5s with pendulums in opposite hand (harder than it looks, by golly). Also figured out a couple of smooth, head-cocking transitions between some simple wallplane not-1.5-ish things I've known in a transitionless form for a while. Started being able to do the split time opposites stalls with one over the shoulder and one at the hip.

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Posted: 23rd Jan 2010
Originally Posted By: Sister ElevenFigured out not-1.5s with pendulums in opposite hand (harder than it looks, by golly).

Yeah. Was a bit odd to learn. I always forget I can do that.

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Posted: 23rd Jan 2010
ok so my style of learning new trick is i attempt it and if its "really hard" i kinda drop it for a period of time. As I continue to spin day in and day out i slowly progress in my technique. Then later as i progress i attempt the trick again and it seems much easier then before. This is how it is for me and CAPS. was bored at work smoking a cigarette and tried out doing and opposite CAPS so its has the anti spin petal in the same spot on both sides and it was just easy. so i got that down now

Also recently started experimenting with throwing both my poi at the same time. throws are a pain though

Also have been working with doing UTL in different ways. The basic one where it just shows up in your abdomen region for just a sec but behind me and in other directions.

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Posted: 23rd Jan 2010
That's kinda how I work, too. I've sort of set a frustration threshold, and when I hit that threshold I back down into easier stuff and just jam for a bit, polish some things, try minor variations, etc. It means I learn a lot of new tricks in a more gradual fashion, but I think the hours I do put in go farther than they would if I just kept messing it up until I was just utterly irritated.

Oh, speaking of CAPs, I got the variation of the extension antispin CAP where one hand extends while the other antispins, in opposite directions. Didn't take as long to figure out as I was expecting.

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Posted: 24th Jan 2010
Gaaaah, been so eager to get some pendulum/ 1.5´s in wallplane behind the back, FINALLY, the first one is down, moooore

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Posted: 24th Jan 2010
Yeah! those 1.5s are really fun and then you can just pirouette your body around them, etc

Posted: 24th Jan 2010
Originally Posted By: Sister ElevenThat's kinda how I work, too. I've sort of set a frustration threshold, and when I hit that threshold I back down into easier stuff and just jam for a bit, polish some things, try minor variations, etc. It means I learn a lot of new tricks in a more gradual fashion, but I think the hours I do put in go farther than they would if I just kept messing it up until I was just utterly irritated.

Oh, speaking of CAPs, I got the variation of the extension antispin CAP where one hand extends while the other antispins, in opposite directions. Didn't take as long to figure out as I was expecting.
^^ditto (including the CAPs thing)

Wallplane splittime butterfly extention/antispin flower hybrid
Transitioning from pendulums to wallplane butterfly motion
1.5's btb
Getting way too flexible btb
Polishing up certain things
Reverse lockout/beatswitch (what's the difference???)
Really cleaned up that "isolation something" I saw in Nevisoul's video
Finally learned enough stuff where I can break out in the music and not up by accidentally doing something I've never even practiced

The only luck is bad luck.

Shut up before I stall my poi up your ass

Posted: 24th Jan 2010
i was playing around with a weave with consisted of 1.5 into hyperloop into a throw back into the 1.5 hyperloop throw the hyperloop being the part which moves from one side of your body when i work out that you can do a weave consiting entirely of throws

GET IN i can now do a forward throwing weave

I love thinking in circles

Posted: 25th Jan 2010
Originally Posted By: SpinnerofDetroit
^^ditto (including the CAPs thing)

There's nothing gradual about the way you learn anything

Originally Posted By: SpinnerofDetroitFinally learned enough stuff where I can break out in the music and not up by accidentally doing something I've never even practiced

I keep waiting to hit that point, but I still have a hard time using my full range or making certain things flow. I need to spend some serious time on my transitions, and break my habit of one-handed stalling (double stalls and pendulum tricks are much more elegant).

And to justify my posting here, I just figured out a couple of pirouettes I hadn't been able to manage before. Probably because I refused to listen to Nick Woolsey sooner.

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Posted: 25th Jan 2010
I may learn fast, but it's gonna be a while before it's polished

And I forgot, there's still a few things I need to learn to where I can breakout, I need to learn all the variations of going under my legs, and no matter how hard I try I can't even begin to do a butterfly waistwrap without ending in a massive tangle.

But, I've almost got a CAP where it's like changing direction on a triquetra, but you look to the side and have your hands on wheelplane instead of wallplane. It looks too badass for me not to learn

Also polishing up a recently learned CAP, it's kinda hard to explain but I'll try, I saw it in a video. Same pattern as basic CAP, poi going in same direction, one arm goes up then down, then stays down while the other goes up then down and I love the look so much it works well for a part of my favorite song.

And can anyone help me with my trying to learn splittime wheelplane stalls, but behind my back? I'm having troubles getting them back there and that statement about being able to break out how I want is not too true anymore after seeing another video. When i see a new video and moves I haven't seen, my mind tries to incorporate them, so I learn them and over time they polish. But a few things I just can't get. Such as all these different utl variations are pissing me off, and btb stalls are pissing me off.

Btw as far as transitions go, just try not to think about anything at all during a flow practice and see what happens Not sure if you already do it or not, also I tend to break moves down and see what other moves have similar components and try it out. I am just too curious for my own good

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Posted: 25th Jan 2010
Thankfully, trying to break down moves is something I've been doing from the beginning. As for flow practice, I don't seem to get anything out of it, technically speaking. Except insofar as I go "blah, I've done that same transition six times now" and stop the flow to go figure out something else to do I have done cool stuff by accident, but only rarely.

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Posted: 25th Jan 2010
Yeah, I keep thinking I'm all good for a while, then I see a video and I go, ooh I have to learn that move/transition/combo.

Also haven't had a flow practice since we had a warm few days and all the snow melted, but now it's coming back

Also, for finding good transitions I find it very helpful to look at videos of other people and look at some of what they do and try to learn that.

And for some unknown reason when I practice flow, I end up doing the same things, like I can't break out of the habits of weaves, fountains, and all that split/same stuff. Other things have been quite slowly working themselves in, but anyone know anyway to speed that up? Or is it just a long time deal?

Also, not sure if you ever use this, a helpful breaking down thing to think about is that same direction is butterfly from the side and if you can do some good quick plane transitioning you can make some nice transitions, I myself am trying to get it down to nature so when the fire comes I don't forget about it.

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Posted: 25th Jan 2010
So im extremely excited about this trick. Its the Antispin vs extension hybred. The one where it looks like your just moving a butterfly around but its more then that. Its makes me very very happy

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Posted: 26th Jan 2010
Just managed to get whip catches down lately

Same as most, have been slowing down my progress as it's got colder.

Have spent a lot of time playing with floaters and isolation trying to get them better.

Realised I can do meltdowns the other day, never really spent any time on them, just kinda did it and been able too sinse (sloppy hough).

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