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yeah so, poi are splittime butterfly, one hand does a logarm circle whilst the other follows it doing a tri-foil antispin.
Its a great move and i would like to call it something better than bf anti-poly flower. and its not really a flower...
sugestions?
T
yeah so, poi are splittime butterfly, one hand does a logarm circle whilst the other follows it doing a tri-foil antispin.
Its a great move and i would like to call it something better than bf anti-poly flower. and its not really a flower...
sugestions?
T
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yeah, i know the one you mean, i think, not totally sure what you mean by 'tri-foil'? I'm assuming you don't just mean 3 petals to the flower? as I know you know it can be done with more.
A few people have just been calling it a butterfly hybrid but that isn't accurate enough.
I've been trying to learn it spinning the other way for ages so I can do the rapid switch to it as it looks amazing.
there's another butterfly antispin trick I'd like a name for, where they go one arm above the other and move rapidly to the other side of the body, then switch and move back, the visual effect is a vertical bar (made of the poi going head to head in a line) swapping sides.
I've seen it before at least once or twice, but G was doing it very cleanly at Southern Lights.
yeah, i know the one you mean, i think, not totally sure what you mean by 'tri-foil'? I'm assuming you don't just mean 3 petals to the flower? as I know you know it can be done with more.
A few people have just been calling it a butterfly hybrid but that isn't accurate enough.
I've been trying to learn it spinning the other way for ages so I can do the rapid switch to it as it looks amazing.
there's another butterfly antispin trick I'd like a name for, where they go one arm above the other and move rapidly to the other side of the body, then switch and move back, the visual effect is a vertical bar (made of the poi going head to head in a line) swapping sides.
I've seen it before at least once or twice, but G was doing it very cleanly at Southern Lights.
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yakumo, they sound like split time butterfly antispin flowers.
Lovely move. I forgot I could do that. thanks.
Nx, could it be some kind of butterfly fountain?
yakumo, they sound like split time butterfly antispin flowers.
Lovely move. I forgot I could do that. thanks.
Nx, could it be some kind of butterfly fountain?
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mm, butterfly fountain works well actually, as all your doing is a circle with your arms, the effect is technically then natural from just that motion, it just takes practice to not collide, and get the timing right for the pace of the long arm, and keep the antispin clean.
I've heard the term before though, are there other butterfly fountains I've missed somehow?
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mm, butterfly fountain works well actually, as all your doing is a circle with your arms, the effect is technically then natural from just that motion, it just takes practice to not collide, and get the timing right for the pace of the long arm, and keep the antispin clean.
I've heard the term before though, are there other butterfly fountains I've missed somehow?
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as for the other move I asked about, how about sweeps, or etch-a-scetch ? (it's like the blanking wipe some had instead of having to shake)
sandy and oli were doing it with double horizontal stalls too.
as for the other move I asked about, how about sweeps, or etch-a-scetch ? (it's like the blanking wipe some had instead of having to shake)
sandy and oli were doing it with double horizontal stalls too.
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yeah, tri-foil is three petals, it can be done with more but three is the natural number for the polyrythum.
it could be butterfly fountain, but thats another move where both poi make multiple beats, it dosnt really express the longarm element. Besides fountain is a very specific thing (I only found out recently what it really was).
I have no idea what movew you are onaabout yakomo, but the rapid switch is a question of having your splittime bang on at the bottom when you make your swich... I have thease turning now
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yeah, tri-foil is three petals, it can be done with more but three is the natural number for the polyrythum.
it could be butterfly fountain, but thats another move where both poi make multiple beats, it dosnt really express the longarm element. Besides fountain is a very specific thing (I only found out recently what it really was).
I have no idea what movew you are onaabout yakomo, but the rapid switch is a question of having your splittime bang on at the bottom when you make your swich... I have thease turning now
T
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No way is this anything to do with a fountain - so you can leave that idea right now
*mutter mutter mutter*
I think it is most often called a hybrid b/f flower, as opposed to a poly-rhythm flower (as this could be done in several different ways) - being that it is hybrid; one long arm, one isolated (as the antispin contains an isolation), moreover it also shares the hands-together-ness you get with weave hybrids.
And it's a flower, as it has petals, albeit only with one hand...
God, it's too early for such technical ramblings...
No way is this anything to do with a fountain - so you can leave that idea right now
*mutter mutter mutter*
I think it is most often called a hybrid b/f flower, as opposed to a poly-rhythm flower (as this could be done in several different ways) - being that it is hybrid; one long arm, one isolated (as the antispin contains an isolation), moreover it also shares the hands-together-ness you get with weave hybrids.
And it's a flower, as it has petals, albeit only with one hand...
God, it's too early for such technical ramblings...
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that's funny... I was always told that antispin contains no isolation...
which would make the hybrid part obsolete.
When you do a butterfly buzzsaw fountain, one poi automatically spins antispin whilst the other spins normal spin. you don't mention the word antispin in the name of that move...
I don't believe there's a hybrid in there at all.
It is definately butterfly poly rhythm... but poly rhythm what?
Circle? :s
that's funny... I was always told that antispin contains no isolation...
which would make the hybrid part obsolete.
When you do a butterfly buzzsaw fountain, one poi automatically spins antispin whilst the other spins normal spin. you don't mention the word antispin in the name of that move...
I don't believe there's a hybrid in there at all.
It is definately butterfly poly rhythm... but poly rhythm what?
Circle? :s
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yeah, I was wondering about 'The Fountain', as I've seen the club swingers get reaaaaaaally heavily into the arguments on it. I wasn't aware it would be so picked over if it was an 'X/Y Fountain' though.
hybrid - depends if people think hybrid in plain English terms (composite of two or more things) or if spinners insist in skill toy terms it has to contain one isolated part.
I need to find a video ref clip for the other move I was asking about to show, but I really don't know any off hand,need oli/sandy or G to get busy with a camera, but that seems unlikely, slackers
yeah, I was wondering about 'The Fountain', as I've seen the club swingers get reaaaaaaally heavily into the arguments on it. I wasn't aware it would be so picked over if it was an 'X/Y Fountain' though.
hybrid - depends if people think hybrid in plain English terms (composite of two or more things) or if spinners insist in skill toy terms it has to contain one isolated part.
I need to find a video ref clip for the other move I was asking about to show, but I really don't know any off hand,need oli/sandy or G to get busy with a camera, but that seems unlikely, slackers
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ooo, sad thing is the visual effects going to be of an atom isn't it? antispin within a plain circle, but that's already taken.
So how about a 'butterfly atom'?
ooo, sad thing is the visual effects going to be of an atom isn't it? antispin within a plain circle, but that's already taken.
So how about a 'butterfly atom'?
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UCoF: Almost, but not quite. your arms are splitime, but in this one, the hands are together.
Durbs does it nicely in his patio video.
Yakumo, for a video of the one you mean, I believe lazyangel does it nicely in a video too... and Meenick does it quite often.
UCoF: Almost, but not quite. your arms are splitime, but in this one, the hands are together.
Durbs does it nicely in his patio video.
Yakumo, for a video of the one you mean, I believe lazyangel does it nicely in a video too... and Meenick does it quite often.
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Antispin vs longarm? - one arm doing antispin flower whilst one arm does long arm circles - or am I thinking of something totally different. Either way I hav'nt managed to pull it off yet Seen Guy (Lazyangel) do it though and it looks looovely.
Vid would be nice to clarify
On the subject of tri-foils, can anyone do opposite tri-foil antispin flowers (making a 6 point flower from audience perspective), was trying to work out if it was possible
Antispin vs longarm? - one arm doing antispin flower whilst one arm does long arm circles - or am I thinking of something totally different. Either way I hav'nt managed to pull it off yet
Seen Guy (Lazyangel) do it though and it looks looovely.Vid would be nice to clarify
On the subject of tri-foils, can anyone do opposite tri-foil antispin flowers (making a 6 point flower from audience perspective), was trying to work out if it was possible
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My vid that Ed is talking about is currently offline, I believe.
I think the best vid examples of this move (learning wise) have come from Durbs patio spin and maybe Garthy's xmas vid? also maybe in one or two of meenik's more recentish vids (beautiful thing about ashes/maybe the vid with yuta) but I'm not sure on that
My vid that Ed is talking about is currently offline, I believe.
I think the best vid examples of this move (learning wise) have come from Durbs patio spin and maybe Garthy's xmas vid? also maybe in one or two of meenik's more recentish vids (beautiful thing about ashes/maybe the vid with yuta) but I'm not sure on that
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In wallplane then?
Hands together, going round in a cirle together, poi in butterfly RESULTING IN: one poi 1 petal flower (a circle!) and the other 3 petal anti spun?
That right then?
In wallplane then?
Hands together, going round in a cirle together, poi in butterfly RESULTING IN: one poi 1 petal flower (a circle!) and the other 3 petal anti spun?
That right then?
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that is indeed correct.
that is indeed correct.
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I cant picture it and have no idea what you are talking about.
Who are you anyway?
I cant picture it and have no idea what you are talking about.
Who are you anyway?
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yup its possible, and very hard
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On the subject of tri-foils, can anyone do opposite tri-foil antispin flowers (making a 6 point flower from audience perspective), was trying to work out if it was possible
yup
its possible, and very hard T
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Soooooo this move is a hybrid?
hybrid in the sense in that your hands are doing "different things"????????????
W T F?
Please inform me of a move that isn't hybrid.
That is the most monumentally IDIOTIC form of nomenclature i have ever encountered.
Ed - an antispin pattern doesn't necessarily contain isolation, but an antispin pattern can also be isolated, in a few different ways.
TommyNx - what do you mean by split time in this context?
All - Surely this move should be named as part of a family that deals with the effects of moving the common centre of direction of two opposite direction poi. (a la RobbieBluecat's brownian motion butterfly - a kind of ordered butterfly heisenberg)
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Soooooo this move is a hybrid?
hybrid in the sense in that your hands are doing "different things"????????????
W T F?
Please inform me of a move that isn't hybrid.
That is the most monumentally IDIOTIC form of nomenclature i have ever encountered.
Ed - an antispin pattern doesn't necessarily contain isolation, but an antispin pattern can also be isolated, in a few different ways.
TommyNx - what do you mean by split time in this context?
All - Surely this move should be named as part of a family that deals with the effects of moving the common centre of direction of two opposite direction poi. (a la RobbieBluecat's brownian motion butterfly - a kind of ordered butterfly heisenberg)
"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
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i do em in crosser
Written by: {Nx?}Written by: Motleyyup
On the subject of tri-foils, can anyone do opposite tri-foil antispin flowers (making a 6 point flower from audience perspective), was trying to work out if it was possible
i do em in crosser
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I think Motley means in Wheelchairplane, not wall plane.... I think...
If you can do those, crossed, in wallplane, I'll eat the first fat person I see.
I think Motley means in Wheelchairplane, not wall plane.... I think...
If you can do those, crossed, in wallplane, I'll eat the first fat person I see.
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But in this move, I fail to see the isolation. Surely if the antispun poi was isolated, the outside circle would become irregular (is that the right word?)
therefore, no isolation = no hybrid in my opinion.
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Ed - an antispin pattern doesn't necessarily contain isolation, but an antispin pattern can also be isolated, in a few different ways.
But in this move, I fail to see the isolation. Surely if the antispun poi was isolated, the outside circle would become irregular (is that the right word?)
therefore, no isolation = no hybrid in my opinion.
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i'd call it a hybrid
caus i like the idea of driving style hybrids.
but very specifically i'd call it a garthy hybrid (cause it was him i saw doing them first) - i totally agree with Simian that to call anything that has two hands doing different things a hybrid is a bit too silly. but this was discussed at length on tribes, and hybrids have been fairly well defined now....
i wish i knew what my brownian motion butterfly was....
i'd call it a hybrid
caus i like the idea of driving style hybrids.but very specifically i'd call it a garthy hybrid (cause it was him i saw doing them first) - i totally agree with Simian that to call anything that has two hands doing different things a hybrid is a bit too silly. but this was discussed at length on tribes, and hybrids have been fairly well defined now....
i wish i knew what my brownian motion butterfly was....
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goodness. very limiting there, aren't you, mr ed.....?
goodness. very limiting there, aren't you, mr ed.....?
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I thought, when this move was discussed several months ago ( ) there was a nice side discussion on why the antispin in this pattern is isolated...
Meh, do a search, it's all there somewhere.
Ed, as per usual, is wrong (just in general).
Wallplane hybrid butterfly flower, with optional polyrhythm?
To argue with Monkey, which is always fun, "Surely this move should be named as part of a family that deals with the effects of moving the common centre of direction of two opposite direction poi"
you'd need to add "in the same direction"
So...on previous nomenclature...this move would be a Goofy Polyrhythm Hybrid Butterfly Flower
Or just "goofy hybrid" as a move genre
I thought, when this move was discussed several months ago (
) there was a nice side discussion on why the antispin in this pattern is isolated...Meh, do a search, it's all there somewhere.
Ed, as per usual, is wrong (just in general).
Wallplane hybrid butterfly flower, with optional polyrhythm?
To argue with Monkey, which is always fun, "Surely this move should be named as part of a family that deals with the effects of moving the common centre of direction of two opposite direction poi"
you'd need to add "in the same direction"
So...on previous nomenclature...this move would be a Goofy Polyrhythm Hybrid Butterfly Flower
Or just "goofy hybrid" as a move genre
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when you do a butterfly then whang your hands around in loads of different directions while keeping your hands together.
you were doing it lots at the BJC
no, that would be redundant, as i clearly said "common centre of direction" as opposed to "their two distinct centres of direction"
what you should have argued was that i accidentally said "centre of direction" rather than "centre of rotation"
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i wish i knew what my brownian motion butterfly was....
when you do a butterfly then whang your hands around in loads of different directions while keeping your hands together.
you were doing it lots at the BJC
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To argue with Monkey, which is always fun, "Surely this move should be named as part of a family that deals with the effects of moving the common centre of direction of two opposite direction poi"
you'd need to add "in the same direction"
no, that would be redundant, as i clearly said "common centre of direction" as opposed to "their two distinct centres of direction"
what you should have argued was that i accidentally said "centre of direction" rather than "centre of rotation"
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Fun though the accurately describe the action game is I think [Nx?]'s idea (and my hope too) was to give it a nice short name, as it is a fairly identifiable trick (and long names scare the crap out of people, and breaking it into a definition doesn't actually help picture it for most people, we you want to call the 3 beat weave 'split time wall plane 3 beat alternating crossovers' or something ?
Any more thoughts on that?
(neither this move or the one I was hoping for a name for are in garthy's xmas vid sadly, I just checked)
Fun though the accurately describe the action game is
I think [Nx?]'s idea (and my hope too) was to give it a nice short name, as it is a fairly identifiable trick (and long names scare the crap out of people, and breaking it into a definition doesn't actually help picture it for most people, we you want to call the 3 beat weave 'split time wall plane 3 beat alternating crossovers' or something ? Any more thoughts on that?
(neither this move or the one I was hoping for a name for are in garthy's xmas vid sadly, I just checked)
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splitime means what it always ment, a butterfly whos poi meet at the sides rather than top and bottom.
at present, this is a splitime poly-rythum, sounds crazy but it just means at the point there the poi hit the same beat they are doing split-time. Im not sure if it can be done bf, I think the trifoil would start in a diffrent place if so...
Atomic butterfly is definatly wrong, and an oxymoron
T
splitime means what it always ment, a butterfly whos poi meet at the sides rather than top and bottom.
at present, this is a splitime poly-rythum, sounds crazy but it just means at the point there the poi hit the same beat they are doing split-time. Im not sure if it can be done bf, I think the trifoil would start in a diffrent place if so...
Atomic butterfly is definatly wrong, and an oxymoron
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Call it Geoff!
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I think [Nx?]'s idea (and my hope too) was to give it a nice short name
Call it Geoff!
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"the mercedes badge"?
although thats also what i call the version of it with arms going in opposite directions, rather than staying together.
"the mercedes badge"?
although thats also what i call the version of it with arms going in opposite directions, rather than staying together.
"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
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'the mercedes' is a great name, but i will have to learn to spell it.
'the mercedes' is a great name, but i will have to learn to spell it.
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