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Location: NYC, NY, USA
Posted:
I know that terrorism generally requires the media to spread the histeria but lately it seems the media has been publicizing WAY too much information that will clearly aid any future terrorists attacks. I'm all for freedom of information but explaining exactly what the terrorists did wrong when trying to detonate the second wave of bombs... or the exact chemical in the bombs is just irresponsible!
Molly and I have been pulling our hair out and yelling at the tele whenever this happens. Has it bugged anyone else?
So far I've learned the following from BBC news:
1) If you put the bomb on the bottom floor of a double decker bus, you'll kill way more people.
2) Attacking underground subways is more effective when bombs are detonated at stations that are deeper underground.
3) Always double check the INITIATOR of your bomb. That's the mechanism that primes the secondary charge. Otherwise you'll look silly when your bombs don't blow up.
4) Don't use your mobile phones. That's how the police track you. And don't count on mobile phones for detonating bombs as the police are counting on that as well and will clear moblie phone lines if they expect another attack.
5) The information needed to assemble bombs can be found on the internet. And many bombs can be made from chemicals. Specific formulas and names of explosives can be found by watching the news.
Even more ironically, apparently the NYPD disclosed some information that they shouldn't have... so the BBC went crazy saying "Here is the sensitive information that the NYPD shouldn't have disclosed.." and then went on to list it.
I'm all for freedom of speech, but I don't think it's all that professional for the media to be disclosing specific information that would help make future terrorist attacks more effective.
Bah, but I hate local news anyway. At least I'm away from Fox News for a few more weeks.
I know that terrorism generally requires the media to spread the histeria but lately it seems the media has been publicizing WAY too much information that will clearly aid any future terrorists attacks. I'm all for freedom of information but explaining exactly what the terrorists did wrong when trying to detonate the second wave of bombs... or the exact chemical in the bombs is just irresponsible!
Molly and I have been pulling our hair out and yelling at the tele whenever this happens. Has it bugged anyone else?
So far I've learned the following from BBC news:
1) If you put the bomb on the bottom floor of a double decker bus, you'll kill way more people.
2) Attacking underground subways is more effective when bombs are detonated at stations that are deeper underground.
3) Always double check the INITIATOR of your bomb. That's the mechanism that primes the secondary charge. Otherwise you'll look silly when your bombs don't blow up.
4) Don't use your mobile phones. That's how the police track you. And don't count on mobile phones for detonating bombs as the police are counting on that as well and will clear moblie phone lines if they expect another attack.
5) The information needed to assemble bombs can be found on the internet. And many bombs can be made from chemicals. Specific formulas and names of explosives can be found by watching the news.
Even more ironically, apparently the NYPD disclosed some information that they shouldn't have... so the BBC went crazy saying "Here is the sensitive information that the NYPD shouldn't have disclosed.." and then went on to list it.
I'm all for freedom of speech, but I don't think it's all that professional for the media to be disclosing specific information that would help make future terrorist attacks more effective.
Bah, but I hate local news anyway. At least I'm away from Fox News for a few more weeks.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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Posted:
Surely anyone interested can do some very basic research and work all that out?
I've not heard anything that I couldn't have worked out myself from the internet or just by thinking about the 'problem'....
Surely anyone interested can do some very basic research and work all that out?
I've not heard anything that I couldn't have worked out myself from the internet or just by thinking about the 'problem'....
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Posted:
I've always thought that, and agreed with it...but then all you really need to do is purchase the Anarchist Cookbook, a Boy Scout Survival Manual and my room mate had another along those lines but I don't remember the title and you'd have all that information, and more.
*shrug*
Just reminds me of all those shows which show professional thieves breaking in somewhere, explaining how they got around every safety measure on the house. Yup...brilliant.
I've always thought that, and agreed with it...but then all you really need to do is purchase the Anarchist Cookbook, a Boy Scout Survival Manual and my room mate had another along those lines but I don't remember the title and you'd have all that information, and more.
*shrug*
Just reminds me of all those shows which show professional thieves breaking in somewhere, explaining how they got around every safety measure on the house. Yup...brilliant.
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Posted:
I kinda agree. It's interesting to know and think about this stuff, but maybe it'd be better if we didn't give people such detailed instructions in case they hadn't thought of it already.
Or maybe the thinking is that anyone who doesn't work out by themselves that they can search the net for bomb making instructions is too dumb to get it together themselves.
However, from what I recall from when I used to have access to bomb making instructions (pretty standard for 13 year olds) it is pretty easy up to a point.
The media seems to be in a constant race to be the paper/show with the most detail, the inside story, the personal tales of woe. I'm sure it's getting worse year on year and it's playing into the hands of those who want to spread terror. But people keep buying the stuff
I kinda agree. It's interesting to know and think about this stuff, but maybe it'd be better if we didn't give people such detailed instructions in case they hadn't thought of it already.
Or maybe the thinking is that anyone who doesn't work out by themselves that they can search the net for bomb making instructions is too dumb to get it together themselves.
However, from what I recall from when I used to have access to bomb making instructions (pretty standard for 13 year olds) it is pretty easy up to a point.
The media seems to be in a constant race to be the paper/show with the most detail, the inside story, the personal tales of woe. I'm sure it's getting worse year on year and it's playing into the hands of those who want to spread terror. But people keep buying the stuff
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Posted:
It is getting worse, precisely because it sells papers and the media is a business, first and foremost.
The only way to change it is to buy papers or watch the news that you believe informs accurately.
I buy and read the Guardian, watch Channel 4 news and check out indymedia/BBC websites... among others.
Actively supporting the alternatives is the only way individuals can support change (unless you want to train up and go and work for the media yourselves - change from the inside).
It is getting worse, precisely because it sells papers and the media is a business, first and foremost.
The only way to change it is to buy papers or watch the news that you believe informs accurately.
I buy and read the Guardian, watch Channel 4 news and check out indymedia/BBC websites... among others.
Actively supporting the alternatives is the only way individuals can support change (unless you want to train up and go and work for the media yourselves - change from the inside).
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Brief note about the Anarchist Cookbook... alot of what it says is wrong. Dangerously wrong. I had a look at one with a few friends of mine, one of which was a chemist, and there are erros in that book that if you tried to follow their recipees you would blow yourself up before you got to step five. If you know the one or two steps to change you would be able to make it work. Also alot of the home-made "feel-good substances" that it describes how to make are also wrong and will either not have any effect or send the user to the hostital. I am not saying that the explosives in the book should be correct, but when a book is marketed to people that are likely to follow a recipee for something they are planning to put in their bodies, it should not be a recipee for something that will reputure their sleen instead of giving them "a slight feeling of euphoria." But the point of all this is don't worry about people using it make bombs, they will kill themselves long before they get to the point of detination-- and don't follow the instructions they give to make any recrealtional substance.
Brief note about the Anarchist Cookbook... alot of what it says is wrong. Dangerously wrong. I had a look at one with a few friends of mine, one of which was a chemist, and there are erros in that book that if you tried to follow their recipees you would blow yourself up before you got to step five. If you know the one or two steps to change you would be able to make it work. Also alot of the home-made "feel-good substances" that it describes how to make are also wrong and will either not have any effect or send the user to the hostital. I am not saying that the explosives in the book should be correct, but when a book is marketed to people that are likely to follow a recipee for something they are planning to put in their bodies, it should not be a recipee for something that will reputure their sleen instead of giving them "a slight feeling of euphoria." But the point of all this is don't worry about people using it make bombs, they will kill themselves long before they get to the point of detination-- and don't follow the instructions they give to make any recrealtional substance.
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Posted:
Huh, Willie followed several of the recipes in the book, comparing them against the others he had, and to pretty decent success. He blew up a tree stump, was kicked out of school for a smoke bomb, etc. He never tried the mind-substances to my knowledge tho. *shrug*
Huh, Willie followed several of the recipes in the book, comparing them against the others he had, and to pretty decent success. He blew up a tree stump, was kicked out of school for a smoke bomb, etc. He never tried the mind-substances to my knowledge tho. *shrug*
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Posted:
Ever since cable news has existed, it's helped our nations' enemies. I remember back during the first gulf war when they were discussing mission plans that hadn't even happened yet. They had maps & everything. Now we have Geraldo giving out troop movements on the air and interns disclosing military progress reports on the internet.
Ever since cable news has existed, it's helped our nations' enemies. I remember back during the first gulf war when they were discussing mission plans that hadn't even happened yet. They had maps & everything. Now we have Geraldo giving out troop movements on the air and interns disclosing military progress reports on the internet.
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The original writer of the original The Anarchist Cookbook, William Powell, has repeatedly asked for it to be taken out of print as he no longer agrees with the information contained within. There are thousands of available imitations, which is good because the original is older than i am, and parts are a lot out of date.
A lot of the equations in it do work, but should not be attempted by someone who doesnt know what they are doing. When done correctly, they are still dangerous.
As for the media issue, its largely scaremongering. I wouldnt worry about it helping the terrorists, not in any sort of realistic way. All of the information, and more besides is available on the internet, in books, in movies, by word of mouth, if you want it, you can get it. I dont think we have to worry about the terrorists watching the BBC News to get the latest tips on how to create bigger headlines.
The original writer of the original The Anarchist Cookbook, William Powell, has repeatedly asked for it to be taken out of print as he no longer agrees with the information contained within. There are thousands of available imitations, which is good because the original is older than i am, and parts are a lot out of date.
A lot of the equations in it do work, but should not be attempted by someone who doesnt know what they are doing. When done correctly, they are still dangerous.
As for the media issue, its largely scaremongering. I wouldnt worry about it helping the terrorists, not in any sort of realistic way. All of the information, and more besides is available on the internet, in books, in movies, by word of mouth, if you want it, you can get it. I dont think we have to worry about the terrorists watching the BBC News to get the latest tips on how to create bigger headlines.
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Dreamer
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Posted:
I've been staying out of it, but I think I really agree- terrorists arn't going to learn from the BBC! Especially not the type who did the london bombings on the 7th.
*But* that said, some people might watch all that stuff and want to do some kind of small scale single bomb copycat type of thing... i don't know why, but... and they might learn from the news. However- I think they will tend to be too stupid to accomplish anything, thankfully... and knowledge does help people deal with things, or can. I'm a little torn on the actual issue of saying that on tv, but I don't think the terrorists we're worried about are quite the reason.
I've been staying out of it, but I think I really agree- terrorists arn't going to learn from the BBC! Especially not the type who did the london bombings on the 7th.
*But* that said, some people might watch all that stuff and want to do some kind of small scale single bomb copycat type of thing... i don't know why, but... and they might learn from the news. However- I think they will tend to be too stupid to accomplish anything, thankfully... and knowledge does help people deal with things, or can. I'm a little torn on the actual issue of saying that on tv, but I don't think the terrorists we're worried about are quite the reason.
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Then again, if you start regulating what can be said in the news, where do you stop?
Who decides what can be said and what cant be said?
Do you go further and limit education, stopping children from learning about chemical compounds altogether?
Stop them setting foot in a science lab because that gives them access to potentially dangerous chemicals?
Do you regulate hardware and gardening stores so that every source of explosives is under observation?
Do you close off the internet and shut down the libraries?
Where do you draw the line and what gives you the right to draw it there?
Then again, if you start regulating what can be said in the news, where do you stop?
Who decides what can be said and what cant be said?
Do you go further and limit education, stopping children from learning about chemical compounds altogether?
Stop them setting foot in a science lab because that gives them access to potentially dangerous chemicals?
Do you regulate hardware and gardening stores so that every source of explosives is under observation?
Do you close off the internet and shut down the libraries?
Where do you draw the line and what gives you the right to draw it there?
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Posted:
Ah, point, point. Perhaps I'm getting to used to living in
america... see?
Ah, point, point. Perhaps I'm getting to used to living in
america... see? Keep your dream alive
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Posted:
I like the way that after 11/9 the media was told to stop broadcasting osama videos incase he used signals in them to tell his cells to do things. Sounds fair enough, except al jazerra, the news station that comes up time and time again as the one that shows this stuff in the first place was and still is broadcast across the UK on our main satellite network (whose kit is installed in millions of homes), subscription free and unlike cable no way of telling who is watching what. Surely anyone who was to get secret messages from these videos would just tune into al jazerra?
Written by: NYC
I know that terrorism generally requires the media to spread the histeria but lately it seems the media has been publicizing WAY too much information that will clearly aid any future terrorists attacks.
I like the way that after 11/9 the media was told to stop broadcasting osama videos incase he used signals in them to tell his cells to do things. Sounds fair enough, except al jazerra, the news station that comes up time and time again as the one that shows this stuff in the first place was and still is broadcast across the UK on our main satellite network (whose kit is installed in millions of homes), subscription free and unlike cable no way of telling who is watching what. Surely anyone who was to get secret messages from these videos would just tune into al jazerra?
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Posted:
realisticly terrorists are quite bad at what they do, while what happened in london had quite a profound effect and brought london to a stand still for a day or so it could have been so much worse.
my dads an ex army war games tacticle type person and recons that a small city could easily be brought to its knees without warning by 6 people in such a way that would takes weeks to repair. in the intermitting time there would be no phones/power or water. so there would be no way to calm the masses or coordinate stopping looting/restoring general calm.
id be more worried that one day a semi educated terrorist who knows a little about technology and how to destroy it effectively will come along and causes a real problem.
realisticly terrorists are quite bad at what they do, while what happened in london had quite a profound effect and brought london to a stand still for a day or so it could have been so much worse.
my dads an ex army war games tacticle type person and recons that a small city could easily be brought to its knees without warning by 6 people in such a way that would takes weeks to repair. in the intermitting time there would be no phones/power or water. so there would be no way to calm the masses or coordinate stopping looting/restoring general calm.
id be more worried that one day a semi educated terrorist who knows a little about technology and how to destroy it effectively will come along and causes a real problem.
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A city? A SMALL city?
The 'civilised' world could be brought to its knees by six people who knew what they were doing, in less than a week.
The whole world could be destroyed within twelve hours by two idiots with nuclear capabilities. They wouldnt even need to be educated.
Terrorists could be more efficient, yes. But a terrorist organisation is never going to be that well organised. Organisation requires an element of cold detatchment, and most terrorist organisations are consumed by the cause, misguided as it may be.
To bring the world, and to a lesser extent, a city to a standstill, they would need to be better educated, and less dramatic, but they would also need to be clinically insane. Thankfully, the more education you receive, the more you understand, the less likely you are to try and destroy the human race, unless you have serious mental problems. And people with serious mental problems tend to be foiled in their plans for world domination or destruction.
But they are the people i would worry about. The evil genius, and the mad scientists. The comic book bad guys. Terrorists are little more than attention whores. And to get any benefit from the attention, they need a certain level of civilisation to stay functioning properly.
A city? A SMALL city?
The 'civilised' world could be brought to its knees by six people who knew what they were doing, in less than a week.
The whole world could be destroyed within twelve hours by two idiots with nuclear capabilities. They wouldnt even need to be educated.
Terrorists could be more efficient, yes. But a terrorist organisation is never going to be that well organised. Organisation requires an element of cold detatchment, and most terrorist organisations are consumed by the cause, misguided as it may be.
To bring the world, and to a lesser extent, a city to a standstill, they would need to be better educated, and less dramatic, but they would also need to be clinically insane. Thankfully, the more education you receive, the more you understand, the less likely you are to try and destroy the human race, unless you have serious mental problems. And people with serious mental problems tend to be foiled in their plans for world domination or destruction.
But they are the people i would worry about. The evil genius, and the mad scientists. The comic book bad guys. Terrorists are little more than attention whores. And to get any benefit from the attention, they need a certain level of civilisation to stay functioning properly.
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NYC
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Posted:
But... they didn't. That's my point. They didn't optimize the placement of the bombs or how they functioned, or what to do afterwards. And the media publicized that fact.
Gotta run..
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Surely anyone interested can do some very basic research and work all that out?
But... they didn't. That's my point. They didn't optimize the placement of the bombs or how they functioned, or what to do afterwards. And the media publicized that fact.
Gotta run..
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Yes, let's go.
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i would have thought that suicide bombers don't spend too much of their time thinking too much about that part of the plan - its a morbid subject
cole. x
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or what to do afterwards
i would have thought that suicide bombers don't spend too much of their time thinking too much about that part of the plan - its a morbid subject
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nah cole - it's all about the virgins
The reports that were making NYC and me doubt the sanity of the media ran like a checklist for terrorists. In my opinion it doesn't matter if some of the stuff is obvious or could be found from other sources, the collation of all the handy hints into one place just smacked of extreme idiocy and irresponsibility by the journalists involved.
The instance where channel 4 news criticised the NYPD for releasing details of the London bombings to the public, having just broadcast everything that the NYPD had released was so hypocritical it gave us the giggles.
Either that or there is a huge double bluff conspiracy type thing going on
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or what to do afterwards
i would have thought that suicide bombers don't spend too much of their time thinking too much about that part of the plan - its a morbid subject
nah cole - it's all about the virgins
The reports that were making NYC and me doubt the sanity of the media ran like a checklist for terrorists. In my opinion it doesn't matter if some of the stuff is obvious or could be found from other sources, the collation of all the handy hints into one place just smacked of extreme idiocy and irresponsibility by the journalists involved.
The instance where channel 4 news criticised the NYPD for releasing details of the London bombings to the public, having just broadcast everything that the NYPD had released was so hypocritical it gave us the giggles.
Either that or there is a huge double bluff conspiracy type thing going on
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And now I know that BBC was where I should study for creating chaos....ironic eh? Break the chain NYC! Break the chain!
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And now I know that BBC was where I should study for creating chaos....ironic eh? Break the chain NYC! Break the chain!
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I'm all for the bluff theory.
On the day, the BBC were reporting "London brought to its knees", "Fear is Rife", "London is at a standstill" and suchlike.
The next day they changed their tune "London is showing a resilience of spirit", "Blitz mentality" which I would have said is more true.
It makes me think that they can get more terrorists to congratulate each other, then track the emails/cellphone calls and get em. Well Played the BBC and MI5 and NSA... See, global communications monitoring can be good!
I'm all for the bluff theory.
On the day, the BBC were reporting "London brought to its knees", "Fear is Rife", "London is at a standstill" and suchlike.
The next day they changed their tune "London is showing a resilience of spirit", "Blitz mentality" which I would have said is more true.
It makes me think that they can get more terrorists to congratulate each other, then track the emails/cellphone calls and get em. Well Played the BBC and MI5 and NSA... See, global communications monitoring can be good!
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NYC
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Posted:
On a slightly different note, it also makes me sad how UTTERLY THRILLED the members of the media become when something like this happens. They bust out the crazy graphics, come up with the buzzwords of the day, get all the 'experts' out of bed to answer the same inane and obvious questions. Most members of the media tend to hide their giddyness quite well but it's still a bit disturbing.
On a slightly different note, it also makes me sad how UTTERLY THRILLED the members of the media become when something like this happens. They bust out the crazy graphics, come up with the buzzwords of the day, get all the 'experts' out of bed to answer the same inane and obvious questions. Most members of the media tend to hide their giddyness quite well but it's still a bit disturbing.
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Posted:
Completely agrees with Flashpoint. The media frenzy after 7/7 was so well co-ordinated that I don't think the terrorist could have benefited from it. Remember how one of the bus victims was followed by a camera crew up to when he was finally reunited with his family? The media seems to have had it all covered but the info that was reveal were quite superficial and were no secret to anyone.
Heres a very scary thought: During the 50-60s, the Soviet Union was head-over-heels on the aspect on nuclear technology. Now we're are not just talking about nuke warheads, subs or power plants, things which have certain significant and are heavily guard, we are talking about seed sowing machine that were widely used on fields to promote the growth of crops. The radiation material from a couple of these seed sowing machines are enough to make a nuke and material from one is enough to make a dirty bomb. And lets just say when the Soviet Union collapsed, these seed sowing machines were the least of their concern. Right now these machines can still be found on abanboned farm all over Russia.
Completely agrees with Flashpoint. The media frenzy after 7/7 was so well co-ordinated that I don't think the terrorist could have benefited from it. Remember how one of the bus victims was followed by a camera crew up to when he was finally reunited with his family? The media seems to have had it all covered but the info that was reveal were quite superficial and were no secret to anyone.
Heres a very scary thought: During the 50-60s, the Soviet Union was head-over-heels on the aspect on nuclear technology. Now we're are not just talking about nuke warheads, subs or power plants, things which have certain significant and are heavily guard, we are talking about seed sowing machine that were widely used on fields to promote the growth of crops. The radiation material from a couple of these seed sowing machines are enough to make a nuke and material from one is enough to make a dirty bomb. And lets just say when the Soviet Union collapsed, these seed sowing machines were the least of their concern. Right now these machines can still be found on abanboned farm all over Russia.
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Posted:
*Bump*
Dear Terrorists,
Just thought you should know that if you take bombs apart and pass the parts through bomb detectors you'll have no trouble getting them through airport security in America. Better act soon though before they change their policies.
Much Love From Your Friends,
The Media
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Dear Terrorists,
Just thought you should know that if you take bombs apart and pass the parts through bomb detectors you'll have no trouble getting them through airport security in America. Better act soon though before they change their policies.
Much Love From Your Friends,
The Media
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WOW!
How about this one thats been all over the news as of late......you can sneek in anything you want into the USA through the unprotected shipping ports
WOW!How about this one thats been all over the news as of late......you can sneek in anything you want into the USA through the unprotected shipping ports
My ADD makes it so that.....Ooooo SHINY.....wanna go ride bikes....wait....where am I.....
NYC
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Posted:
And Starbucks shipping crates. Just heard that one today.
And Starbucks shipping crates. Just heard that one today.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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SILVER Member
Has sharp edges
1,266 posts
Location: Stuck in the mire, USA
Has sharp edges
1,266 posts
Location: Stuck in the mire, USA
Posted:
I missed that one NYC
I googled it and came up with Asian longhorned beetles invading
I missed that one NYC
I googled it and came up with Asian longhorned beetles invading
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NYC
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Posted:
Hrmmm... I can't seem to find it either. I heard it on news radio on my drive home. The government is working with Starbucks to make their crates more tamperproof.
But I have no evidence of that on any website.
Hrmmm... I can't seem to find it either. I heard it on news radio on my drive home. The government is working with Starbucks to make their crates more tamperproof.
But I have no evidence of that on any website.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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SILVER Member
Has sharp edges
1,266 posts
Location: Stuck in the mire, USA
Has sharp edges
1,266 posts
Location: Stuck in the mire, USA
Posted:
Ahhhh....I knew the government and Starbucks were in cahoots I just knew it
damn government
damn Starbucks
Ahhhh....I knew the government and Starbucks were in cahoots I just knew it
damn government
damn Starbucks
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BRONZE Member
old hand
929 posts
Location: Oregon, USA
old hand
929 posts
Location: Oregon, USA
Posted:
I was watching a show the other day on 'Al Queda's Navy' and they were discussing the shipping crates. The idea behind the starbucks crates, and walmart and other big name companies like that is that more often then not they're "trusted" and as such not inspected nearly as much.
You have to remember that there are thousands of ships, each carrying thousands of containers. It takes 5 men a full 7 hours to do a "complete" inspection of a single container. Essentially unpacking and repacking the entire crate. It is just logistically impossible to do every single container.
That stuff isn't really all that surprising though, and if you're in the right circles it is common knowledge and common sense. I dispise the media, but that is from a personal bias. I don't care if they give out how someone did something, the part that I don't like so much is the SOP's that they share that put our people at a tactical disadvantage. It is one thing to say 'you can make a bomb out of this and this and this' but its completely different to say 'put your bomb right here, you'll get them every time.'
One example, of both poor planning for emergency procedures, and idiocy. For most schools, "bomb threats" are basically treated as fire drills. Supposedly to quell 'panic' from people. That is fine, the problem I have with that is that most fire drill procedures, especially for places like highschools, is to pull the majority of students into the parking lots.
Now lets think about this for a second. Someone calls in a bomb threat, how likely is it that they actually snuck a bomb into the school? Or would it be easier to simply put a bomb in the trunk of their car.. The car that will be right in the middle of the parking lot where all of the students are going to to 'escape' the bomb in the first place.
If you know the tactics someone is going to use to counter you, it's simple to find a way around them, and to use them to your advantage. The media has no common sense, and it's going to cause a lot of people a lot of pain one of these days.
I was watching a show the other day on 'Al Queda's Navy' and they were discussing the shipping crates. The idea behind the starbucks crates, and walmart and other big name companies like that is that more often then not they're "trusted" and as such not inspected nearly as much.
You have to remember that there are thousands of ships, each carrying thousands of containers. It takes 5 men a full 7 hours to do a "complete" inspection of a single container. Essentially unpacking and repacking the entire crate. It is just logistically impossible to do every single container.
That stuff isn't really all that surprising though, and if you're in the right circles it is common knowledge and common sense. I dispise the media, but that is from a personal bias. I don't care if they give out how someone did something, the part that I don't like so much is the SOP's that they share that put our people at a tactical disadvantage. It is one thing to say 'you can make a bomb out of this and this and this' but its completely different to say 'put your bomb right here, you'll get them every time.'
One example, of both poor planning for emergency procedures, and idiocy. For most schools, "bomb threats" are basically treated as fire drills. Supposedly to quell 'panic' from people. That is fine, the problem I have with that is that most fire drill procedures, especially for places like highschools, is to pull the majority of students into the parking lots.
Now lets think about this for a second. Someone calls in a bomb threat, how likely is it that they actually snuck a bomb into the school? Or would it be easier to simply put a bomb in the trunk of their car.. The car that will be right in the middle of the parking lot where all of the students are going to to 'escape' the bomb in the first place.
If you know the tactics someone is going to use to counter you, it's simple to find a way around them, and to use them to your advantage. The media has no common sense, and it's going to cause a lot of people a lot of pain one of these days.
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NYC
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Posted:
I think it comes down to the fact most criminals DON'T think about all of the intricacies of a plan.
I mean, they caught the first World Trade Center bombers because THEY WENT TO PICK UP THE SECURITY DEPOSIT ON THE TRUCK THEY BLEW UP!
Law enforcement MUST hope that a terrorist will make a mistake in order to catch them. By definition, if a terrorist doesn't make a mistake, he is absolutely uncatchable.
So, if a terrorist had not thought to take apart a bomb, OR had supposed that airport security was too tight and he should hit a smaller target, his mistake has now been corrected by the media.
If you look at the facts of any prevented crime you can easily see the 'mistake' that the criminals made to get caught.
I see NO reason why the media can't report "There have been glaring troubles at local airports and the details will be released in 6 months, after they've had time to fix the problems."
I think it comes down to the fact most criminals DON'T think about all of the intricacies of a plan.
I mean, they caught the first World Trade Center bombers because THEY WENT TO PICK UP THE SECURITY DEPOSIT ON THE TRUCK THEY BLEW UP!
Law enforcement MUST hope that a terrorist will make a mistake in order to catch them. By definition, if a terrorist doesn't make a mistake, he is absolutely uncatchable.
So, if a terrorist had not thought to take apart a bomb, OR had supposed that airport security was too tight and he should hit a smaller target, his mistake has now been corrected by the media.
If you look at the facts of any prevented crime you can easily see the 'mistake' that the criminals made to get caught.
I see NO reason why the media can't report "There have been glaring troubles at local airports and the details will be released in 6 months, after they've had time to fix the problems."
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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Stargazer
6,650 posts
6,650 posts
Posted:
YAY for censorship in the medias!
Oh no! Stop, wait: YAY for SELF-censorship in the medias! - I was confusing this one...
NYC - usually the authorities only act AFTER somebody died. Otherwise it lacks the momentum. But even then... for instance: How many years are bomb-proof baggage containers ON the market? But still they are not used.
It might be a self-justification process, like: If we don't have criminals, we wouldn't need cops and if we wouldn't have terrorists, you wouldn't have the patriot act...
I fully agree with you on the irony that is behind it when newspapers tell the bad guys what they did wrong and have to improve next time... at least they tell the same to the law enforcement, so
they just do "their job"... Authorities have to accelerate in order to keep up...
YAY for censorship in the medias!
Oh no! Stop, wait: YAY for SELF-censorship in the medias! - I was confusing this one...
NYC - usually the authorities only act AFTER somebody died. Otherwise it lacks the momentum. But even then... for instance: How many years are bomb-proof baggage containers ON the market? But still they are not used.
It might be a self-justification process, like: If we don't have criminals, we wouldn't need cops and if we wouldn't have terrorists, you wouldn't have the patriot act...
I fully agree with you on the irony that is behind it when newspapers tell the bad guys what they did wrong and have to improve next time... at least they tell the same to the law enforcement, so
they just do "their job"... Authorities have to accelerate in order to keep up... the best smiles are the ones you lead to 
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