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Fine_Rabid_DogInternet Hate Machine
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Posted:
eek



One of the main suspects in the stabbing of Abigail Wichalls spins poi! Theres a picture of him kinda spinnig 4 pages into the dialy express...



Anyways... Thoughts? Comments?



Im trying to find the article on the internet... ill post it here when I find it...

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BirgitBRONZE Member
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Posted:
I agree, don't post it. It's too easy to google his name, and he has been mentioned on here. If you really want to share it let people pm you and send it to them alone.

hug

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colemanSILVER Member
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Posted:
the best (i.e. most impartial) information i could find on this is, believe it or not, from the sun's website.

i think it is the online version of the story as opposed to the one that appears in the paper but it is fairly impartial and much more objective than the other articles i have read, including the bbc's coverage and that of other online news services.

the sun


cole. x

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spiralxveteran
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Location: London, UK


Posted:
That's got to be a first!

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bluecatgeek, level 1
5,300 posts
Location: everywhere


Posted:
yep, i saw that last week. incredible, eh?

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Mr ChutneySILVER Member
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Posted:
The paper with the least number of accepted/ investigated complaints aginst it annually is the sun- I was tolod that by a guy who writes features for G2 so I guess it must be true smile

linden rathenGOLD Member
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Location: London, UK


Posted:
i dont know Richard or anything but it never ceases to amaze me how quick the newspapers are to sully the waters surronding any invstigation.

instead of reporting the news it seems that every story must revolve around one or two people and be very co-incidental.

the one thing that shocks me is the amount papers get away with in the way of quotes
Written by: Mirror

An associate said: "He was a druggie and would latch on to all sorts of protests. That would be right up his street."



what the hell is an associate? it could just be someones first time 1 second impression

or even better - un named quotes
Written by: mirror

An associate said: "He was a druggie and would latch on to all sorts of protests. That would be right up his street."





my main objection in all this is not so much Richard being named as a suspect (i dont knwo him so i cant comment). more they way in which the media has handeled it, and so many other cases. News papers no long report events - they tell stories. while to some degree this has always been true the power of the tabloid is sickening - the number of people who take a few ill founded claims as gospel is disgusting.
a good example of this is the 16 now dead in iraq because newsweek happened to say the US had damaged copies of the Qu'ran......
sad how easily people can be drawn in and how willing the media is to decieve for the sake of a story

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Helz BellzSILVER Member
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Posted:
This is really sad frown

Tonight on Crime Watch, they are doing a reconstruction of the attack. It will be interesting to see what slant they put on this.

hugs all round

hug

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GothFrogetteBRONZE Member
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3,999 posts
Location: Nuneaton, United Kingdom


Posted:
Written by: KatB




Cue lots of hassle for travellers, people with enlarged ear piercings, and possibly spinners.

Scotsman article




and Pagans...... nice to see how they had to mention that it was at a Beltane festival.


*Takes deep breath and remember why she hates the press

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_Clare_BRONZE Member
Still wiggling
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Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland (UK)


Posted:
Being a reporter and sub-editor myself, and obviously knowing Richard, this whole thing has really upset me.

The Express, Mail, Mirror and Scotsman (and probably more) are guilty of lazy journalism and slander.

Most likely they have taken their source from one place and shared the 'information'. The internet and advances in technology have allowed reporters to become lazy and have usurped the need for real investigation.

I would say that not all papers are as bad. The Guardian, Indo, Beeb are usually alright.

But you do have to be careful and selective in what you watch and listen to. Draw your own conclusions, don't be led by suggestion.

I'm just waiting for the DNA and identity parade to come through.

However, I would like to say that it is great news that Abigail Witchal has started to regain feeling in her legs and back... it's a great sign for the future.

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GothFrogetteBRONZE Member
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Posted:
am going to be watchig the crime watch tonight. and keeping an eye out on the news. huge hugs for people hug hug hug

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pricklyleafSILVER Member
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Posted:
ditto to everything ditto

Its sickening how much the press get away with, they just don't care who they hurt. it really is disgusting and just goes to show how little you can believe.

hug to everyone! especially freinds and family of Richard, he sounds like he was a cool guy.

Hopefully this won't have a negative effect on our community. The ear plug thing made me laugh, especially the fact they said it was from INdia. I mean,h what planet do teh press actually come from, anyone would think this is 100 years ago and they live in a small box!

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Posted:
Have you seen what the BBC News is saying after the DNA test?

BBC News

It sounds like the police are determined he was the killer!!
""We have already received some of these back but unfortunately they have all proved negative"

Why unfortunately?

"He added: "Mr Cazaly is still being regarded as a suspect and we will continue to investigate his background." "

Why can't they just leave the poor guy's memory alone? I mean how deep are they going to dig? And realise that it wasn't him, and spent so much time and effort of trying to prove it was him, and let the real attacker cover his tracks and vanish?

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GothFrogetteBRONZE Member
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Posted:
grrrrr too. as some one was saying that i know "it saves tax payers money and paper work if they find him guilty"
and all this effort trying to prove its him is giving the 'real' attacker the best opportunity to avoid being caught.

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GothFrogetteBRONZE Member
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3,999 posts
Location: Nuneaton, United Kingdom


Posted:
has she done the ID parade yet?
i don't follow the news it makes me mad

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SkulduggeryGOLD Member
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8,428 posts
Location: Wales


Posted:
Ok if we are going to quote someone lets quote them in context.



Written by:

The DNA results detectives have already received relate to tests on a number of items.



It is understood that among these items were Mr Cazaly's jeans.



Officers are looking for traces of the suspect's DNA on Mrs Witchalls' belongings and traces of hers on those of the suspect's, police said.



On Friday a spokesman for Surrey Police said: "We have sent dozens of DNA exhibits away for analysis.



"We have already received some of these back but unfortunately they have all proved negative.



"We expect other results back over the next couple of weeks."






That to me says that they have sent many varied items for DNA testing ONE of which were the jeans of Mr Cazaly. Of course they are looking for traces of Abigail Witchall on the jeans sent for testing otherwise what would be the point in testing them. This is a positive thing because if no traces of her are found on his belongings and none of him on hers they are one step closer to ruling him out as a suspect.



Written by:



"Mr Cazaly is still being regarded as a suspect and we will continue to investigate his background."






Of course they are still keeping enquiries about him open as they have yet to prove he didn't do it or found out who did. It would be neglectful of them if they didn't. Sure its unfortunate that none of these DNA tests (the police have NOT said that all the samples are only from Richard or Abigail. For all we know there are samples from other suspects to) have not shown up as a positive match as I for one want to know where whoever committed this act is. If they are still out there, they need to be caught and stopped from attacking again.



That is not to say that I think that Richard Caxaly is guilty. I don't know who is guilty because I'm not in full knowledge of the facts. In my eyes people are innocent until facts prove otherwise. I do believe that the press are over stepping the mark here as they are not there to be judge, jury and executioner. I'm finding more and more that the press are trying to take this role and that no one is doing anything to stop them. Its getting to the point where no one will be able to have a fair trial because any Jury picked to try them will be so prejudiced by all the media coverage they see before the trial even begins.



My heart felt condolances go out to anyone that is feeling the loss of Richard Cazaly. I hope your faith in him is proved right and that he is found to be innocent of this crime.



My heart also goes out to Abigail Witchall and her family, especially her poor little son Joseph who had to suffer this attack. Heaven knows how it will affect him through his life.
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Delirium_Starmember
73 posts
Location: Portsmouth


Posted:
It's funny how they pick up that he spins isn't it? Almost as though to say he must be a freak or something because he does that strange thing that people do in the circus......Well that's the kind of comments I have heard about poi. They never do their research do they lol

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_Clare_BRONZE Member
Still wiggling
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Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland (UK)


Posted:
hug

I heard the news on the way down to Dublin on Friday... it's a great step forward, but nothing can be resolved until the real attacker is identified... otherwise, a suspicion will always hang over Richard's memory.

:sigh:

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=Flashpoint=SILVER Member
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Posted:
I feel strangely motivated to write here...

Abigail was attacked brutally and in cold blood, it appears. I do not know anyone in our community here who would do such a thing. I know Richard was not a HoPper, (was he?) but at the end of the day, the press has once again blamed the whole thing on one poor man. Remember the brasseye paedophile episode? The press base their assumptions on empassioned opinion, rather than dispassionate fact. It seems to me (and knowing me this is a gross generalisation) that the lower down the gene pool the paper/media reporting is aimed at, the more opinion and less fact creep in... Just how much truth is actually in The Daily Star? I would say none, and it boils my blood to read about something that a lazy reporter, who only knows what some halfwit tells them, has cooked up to "sell" (read again... f**king SELL) a "story". Anyone tell newsies that a "story" is "fiction"....

Tell the truth. Investigate. Find all sides. Inform us. Don't brainwash us. I have never knowingly given my money to any tabloid newspaper, and I only occasionally read the Guardian. But that doesn't stop me from browsing, and I still read the sort of nonsense that only the truly stupid could possibly think is the truth.

A bit off topic. Hugs to all who know anyone involved hug

And a big get well soon to Abigail. And let us hope this won't stain the memory of anyone, and will not bring a social burden on us. Thats what'll happen next "You see those guys spinning fire? Theyre all murderers"

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shit happensnewbie
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Posted:
hi there, not sure how to do this really am technologically challenged but was sent this site and wanted to respond.

my name is Robyn Cazaly and Richard was my cousin, and a great guy. i was forwarded this site by Richards mother, Rosemary, who like myself was moved and heartened by the messages posted. the Richard we all knew is not the man being described in the papers who is a fictional character created by the media. he was an amazing guy and any of you who had the privillege to have met him will appreciate the ridiculousness of these allegations.
this is not as articulate as i hoped but no matter how much i think about it all i really want to say is thank you. all of you. you have restored my faith in humanity and given some sense or relief to his family. i will also qualify that thanks with a heart felt request that no matter what you read or hear you remember him as the incredible person he was and if you didnt know him that you are carefull not to believe everything you read and keep an open mind.

thank you again x

Fine_Rabid_DogInternet Hate Machine
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Posted:
hugs dude, the papers suck hug

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Posted:
grouphug to you and your family.

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_Aime_SILVER Member
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Location: Hastings, United Kingdom


Posted:
I watched crime watch, and only now do I found myself being able to talk about it. I cried for quite a while after it, and it took me alot of time to actually work out why...

I think I was so upset because someone who did poi, and other arts was being slandered by the press. Irelevent of whether he did it or not I didn't like it that people had the oppertunity of looking at poi and thinking it was bad.



It's really hard for me to get out what I'm trying to say here..apologies..



Also I felt pain for this guy, and there was so little evidence to cross against him..

From the views and opinions posted here I think its clear just how easily the general public can be manipulated by the press, and another example of the evil that takes place in the media.



Rest in peace Richard, may your spirit keep on spinning where ever it should choose to go.



My love goes to Richards mother, it must be so hard to lose a son, and also to Abigail to whom I wish a full recovery.



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DurbsBRONZE Member
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Location: Epsom, Surrey, England


Posted:
It was really strange seeing my home town on Crimewatch
("Oh look - there's my old school...")
I was impressed the Surrey Police chappy firmly put down all the rumours / lies / errors that were abound in the press.(2 notes, not 3 - no confession whatsoever)

To see it from their side, I think we can all appreciate why he is a major suspect.

I also think when they said "unfortunately they proved negative" with regards to DNA results, this was more a case of "unfortunately we can't close the case and the killer is still out there" as opposed to "unfortunately we can't pin it on the drugged up hippy"

Being honest, I too was a little dissapointed the DNA results were negative. This happened less than 1 mile from my house and it would put a lot of minds at rest knowing the culprit was arrested/dead.

Of course I'm also glad that his name is (partially) cleared and the press are coming in for a hard time for character assasination - but the flip side is still that whoever did do it is still out there.

Burner of Toast
Spinner of poi
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_Clare_BRONZE Member
Still wiggling
5,967 posts
Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland (UK)


Posted:
Robyn, thanks for coming online to say that hug

I'm really glad that Rosemary has been able to read these messages, because I wanted to express my sympathies to her... I've also sent messages out to Nessa and Mark in Oz.

Rosemary, I can't believe for a second that Richard, the man I knew last year, was capable of this. He was a warm, friendly and lovely man.

I am so sad that he is no longer with us.

I have recently been in touch with Surrey police as they are taking statements from his friends - with the aim of putting together a clearer picture of his background. This is just standard procedure - and they assured me that Rich was in no way more of a suspect than any of the rest of the people they are looking at.

They also told me that Abigail was doing well, considering, and she seems to be getting stronger everyday.

My thoughts are with everyone connected and hurt by this event.

Clare xx

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psyfirenewbie
3 posts

Posted:
what has him being any good at poi got anything to do with this whole thing? if you knew and loved him like many did you would realise that he was one of the most passionate, caring, open and beautiful spinners. he didn't do it to be cool, he did it because it set is soul free. he loved to teach others this gift and maybe you should ask yourself why you twirl!

_Clare_BRONZE Member
Still wiggling
5,967 posts
Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland (UK)


Posted:
Psyfire... first of all hug



I have PM'd you and you know my thoughts.



I think people on here are mentioning poi because the fire dancing is what connects us all. It is ok, noone means any offence.



You are right that Richard was a beautiful spinner - he taught me the BTB weave and he was one of the few people I met while travelling who was good at doubles! biggrin



He didn't do it to be cool - he loved it and his passion for fire was clear.



Take care m'lovely...

x

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psyfirenewbie
3 posts

Posted:
sorry, my response was to the first person who wrote and said that he was in the paper but didn't look very good. i am very thankful to all of you that can see through all the crap. it has certainly opened my eyes. thanks guys

SkulduggeryGOLD Member
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8,428 posts
Location: Wales


Posted:
I just heard on the news that Abigail has been shown a photo ID parade and she did not pick out Richard......I would say that that is a good sign but sadly she couldn't pick out anyone from the suspects. frown I hope they catch whoever did this soon. Thinking that they could still be out there isn't nice.

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Fine_Rabid_DogInternet Hate Machine
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Posted:
redface



psyfire, hugs



I am really, really, really sorry for what I wrote in my first post... it was disrepectful... I wrote that post before I had even read the article properly, because saw it just before I went to a lesson... I am really sorry hug



I've edited the post so I don't seem like a total dickhead....



Sorry hug
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psyfirenewbie
3 posts

Posted:
Apology accepted. I guess i am a little sensitive about the whole thing. It is all a big nightmare for everyone involved. The saddest thing of all is that i don't think anyone will ever know the truth ubbcrying. Happy solstice to everyone, hopefully now the moon can relax, thanks again xox

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