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Sponsored by the define a Hippy thread.
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Hi everyone,
Im wondering how everyone/anyone maintains a positive outlook and fluffy happy feelings when the world seems to be going to hell in a handbasket?
Equality, Liberty, Democracy, Enlightenment, Honesty, Autonomy, Trust etc - all these things are being exposed as fading values / illusions in our 'modern' society. In the media, in politics, in military action, in education, in social relationships and more we are pounded with constant reminders of how these things just arent getting any closer.
How does a hippy stay fluffy once the hard reality of the changes we are seeing right now in our world strike to the heart?
Is it possible for Hippies to even exist anymore? surely to maintain a peace and love outlook requires a high level of ignorance, and a hippy cannot be ignorant, therefore a hippy cannot exist in this day and age.
Damn thats a grim thought: The only way to stay happy is either abandon your ideals, or bury your head in the sand.
Please someone tell me how it aint so?
Josh
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Hi everyone,
Im wondering how everyone/anyone maintains a positive outlook and fluffy happy feelings when the world seems to be going to hell in a handbasket?
Equality, Liberty, Democracy, Enlightenment, Honesty, Autonomy, Trust etc - all these things are being exposed as fading values / illusions in our 'modern' society. In the media, in politics, in military action, in education, in social relationships and more we are pounded with constant reminders of how these things just arent getting any closer.
How does a hippy stay fluffy once the hard reality of the changes we are seeing right now in our world strike to the heart?
Is it possible for Hippies to even exist anymore? surely to maintain a peace and love outlook requires a high level of ignorance, and a hippy cannot be ignorant, therefore a hippy cannot exist in this day and age.
Damn thats a grim thought: The only way to stay happy is either abandon your ideals, or bury your head in the sand.
Please someone tell me how it aint so?
Josh
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I can't. And it's making me sad.
I'm gonna work on the stay fluffy thing some more, but it seems somehow selfish y'know? Nevermind about the world - I'll just bimble along being fluffyn n smiley, respectful n happy cos that's all there is left for me to do. That's not good.
Been pondering this a lot recently. Good timing Josh.
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Im wondering how everyone/anyone maintains a positive outlook and fluffy happy feelings when the world seems to be going to hell in a handbasket?
Equality, Liberty, Democracy, Enlightenment, Honesty, Autonomy, Trust etc - all these things are being exposed as fading values / illusions in our 'modern' society. In the media, in politics, in military action, in education, in social relationships and more we are pounded with constant reminders of how these things just arent getting any closer.
How does a hippy stay fluffy once the hard reality of the changes we are seeing right now in our world strike to the heart?
Is it possible for Hippies to even exist anymore? surely to maintain a peace and love outlook requires a high level of ignorance, and a hippy cannot be ignorant, therefore a hippy cannot exist in this day and age.
Damn thats a grim thought: The only way to stay happy is either abandon your ideals, or bury your head in the sand.
Please someone tell me how it aint so?
Josh
I can't. And it's making me sad.
I'm gonna work on the stay fluffy thing some more, but it seems somehow selfish y'know? Nevermind about the world - I'll just bimble along being fluffyn n smiley, respectful n happy cos that's all there is left for me to do. That's not good.
Been pondering this a lot recently. Good timing Josh.
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ohhh, that is such b*llsh*t!!!
don't give me that karma crap... because with your speach you are also telling people it's ok to abuse others, and if they are or feel abused: it's just their karma, not the one from the abuser??? justify that.
if you are in your own space you have all the right to make whatever noise you want, but if you go to a public space it's for everybody, so the Respectful thing to do (that is the word this sidetrack started with) is to behave in such a manner that most people feel comfortable with.
you say it's ok if you want to make loud noises, it's not on your karma, but on the one getting annoyed. so basically if I got 20 dogs, it's ok to let them do their toilet thing on the that grassy bit where you want to have your drum circle? I mean... it's your karma if you get annoyed by sitting in the faeces of my 20 big dogs, not mine?
I really don't get annoyed too easily, but it's exactly that "new hippie" attitude that's been discussed here before: you only look as far as your own nose. if people don't see things your way, they are stupid. if others don't think the same, look the same or act the same they are not worthy of your love... so you just stick your head in the sand and live in your own little world.
but respect has to do with understanding other people's feelings, you know.
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if people are offended by something that you do, then thats their karma. thats their choice, to be offended.. they could have been pleased to have it, if their state-of-mind was in a different space..
do what feels right to you, and let others think what they will. dont be held back by what you think you should or should not do. do what feels right to you.
ohhh, that is such b*llsh*t!!!
don't give me that karma crap... because with your speach you are also telling people it's ok to abuse others, and if they are or feel abused: it's just their karma, not the one from the abuser??? justify that.
if you are in your own space you have all the right to make whatever noise you want, but if you go to a public space it's for everybody, so the Respectful thing to do (that is the word this sidetrack started with) is to behave in such a manner that most people feel comfortable with.
you say it's ok if you want to make loud noises, it's not on your karma, but on the one getting annoyed. so basically if I got 20 dogs, it's ok to let them do their toilet thing on the that grassy bit where you want to have your drum circle? I mean... it's your karma if you get annoyed by sitting in the faeces of my 20 big dogs, not mine?
I really don't get annoyed too easily, but it's exactly that "new hippie" attitude that's been discussed here before: you only look as far as your own nose. if people don't see things your way, they are stupid. if others don't think the same, look the same or act the same they are not worthy of your love... so you just stick your head in the sand and live in your own little world.
but respect has to do with understanding other people's feelings, you know.
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Disrespect is not a 'new hippy attitude' it's just a bizarre misunderstanding.
I would always make a small sacrifice on my part if it meant saving someone elses annoyance / upset. That's a little bit of respect and it's really not going to make a massive difference to me.
smile Eric
Disrespect is not a 'new hippy attitude' it's just a bizarre misunderstanding.
I would always make a small sacrifice on my part if it meant saving someone elses annoyance / upset. That's a little bit of respect and it's really not going to make a massive difference to me.
smile Eric
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well fluffy, I always smile. especially after I've just watched you dance in the strangeTVOD video
smiling is what keeps me young and is considered my trademark.
it's only that I have experienced too many a drum circles in "nature", where all the natural things (monkeys, birds, other small animals) all run away when it starts. so much for nature... and that's when my intense pleasure of being in it is all gone... me loves the little animals!
well fluffy, I always smile. especially after I've just watched you dance in the strangeTVOD video
smiling is what keeps me young and is considered my trademark.
it's only that I have experienced too many a drum circles in "nature", where all the natural things (monkeys, birds, other small animals) all run away when it starts. so much for nature... and that's when my intense pleasure of being in it is all gone... me loves the little animals!
eRic.
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PS: aren't you supposed to be in falmouth? or in the park, playing... or isn't the weather the same as on this side of the channel? (I just came in to get myself a sandwich, will run out to play again soon)
oh, and I forgot to return your hug... thanks!
PS: aren't you supposed to be in falmouth? or in the park, playing... or isn't the weather the same as on this side of the channel? (I just came in to get myself a sandwich, will run out to play again soon)
oh, and I forgot to return your hug...
thanks! eRic.
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hey josh..
i'm joining this one a bit late but only cos i've spent the last week or so writing my dissertation on the rise of Left wing critical/oppositional theory in the seventies from community educational projects all the way to struggles over personal identity and representation in the 80's. It's interesting to note how so much of what was done then has permeated into mass conciousness now (ie. womens rights etc..) but at the same time it has been asimilated into mass/consumer culture and therefore lost a lot of it's original political edge (it really pisses me off the way some companies use such values to aggresively market themselves).
in one way the socialist agenda of the 70's was a faliure as capitalist society continues to plough on, but in others ways the people who tried to change things then have been sucessfull in influencing our generation and at lest having some impact on the masses... furthermore as our politicians seem to turn further and further to the right i see much of our culture today as becoming more and more alternative, aided by stuff like the internet which can bring together like minded people from all over the world...
...all we need to do is make sure our generation acts on such impulses. it's all very well to think fluffy but to truly change the state of things its all about positive action and practice. as far as i see it change will come from th re-establishment of alternative communities and practices who instead of hiding away or isolating themselves from whats going on make sure they play a part in it and educate others as to alternative ways of thinking... at the end of the day the future's what we make it! (cheesy and fluffy but true) you just need to bear in mind that nothing's gonna happen overnight. the movements of the 70's were a start, we just need to make sure we keep the ball rolling...
also i'd agree with what newgabe says by the way. there's nothing fluffy about oppositional practice, the idea of useless chilled out hippies is a construct created by the institutiona ideology which feels threatened by them in an attempt to undermine such people...
wow, that's the longest rant i've had in ages. i should really get back to the dissertation i'm supposed to be doing... peace out
*steps off
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hey josh..
i'm joining this one a bit late but only cos i've spent the last week or so writing my dissertation on the rise of Left wing critical/oppositional theory in the seventies from community educational projects all the way to struggles over personal identity and representation in the 80's. It's interesting to note how so much of what was done then has permeated into mass conciousness now (ie. womens rights etc..) but at the same time it has been asimilated into mass/consumer culture and therefore lost a lot of it's original political edge (it really pisses me off the way some companies use such values to aggresively market themselves).
in one way the socialist agenda of the 70's was a faliure as capitalist society continues to plough on, but in others ways the people who tried to change things then have been sucessfull in influencing our generation and at lest having some impact on the masses... furthermore as our politicians seem to turn further and further to the right i see much of our culture today as becoming more and more alternative, aided by stuff like the internet which can bring together like minded people from all over the world...
...all we need to do is make sure our generation acts on such impulses. it's all very well to think fluffy but to truly change the state of things its all about positive action and practice. as far as i see it change will come from th re-establishment of alternative communities and practices who instead of hiding away or isolating themselves from whats going on make sure they play a part in it and educate others as to alternative ways of thinking... at the end of the day the future's what we make it! (cheesy and fluffy but true) you just need to bear in mind that nothing's gonna happen overnight. the movements of the 70's were a start, we just need to make sure we keep the ball rolling...
also i'd agree with what newgabe says by the way. there's nothing fluffy about oppositional practice, the idea of useless chilled out hippies is a construct created by the institutiona ideology which feels threatened by them in an attempt to undermine such people...
wow, that's the longest rant i've had in ages. i should really get back to the dissertation i'm supposed to be doing... peace out
*steps off
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nah actually that *was* what people said was their primary reason for not having children. However I think the question was asking something like; What would you have to have changed in your life for you to feel like having children?" So it probly wouldnt include ppl who flat out didnt want children ever.
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Its amazing, there was an article in the weekend Australian (magazine which comes with the national newspaper on the weekend) about how Australians are becoming more and more consumerist, while at the same time becoming less able to be happy. Collective consciousness at work.
Nice posts Gabe and Dub!! and Fluffy
Josh
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As for not having children, there's probably alot more to that choice than simply finances
nah actually that *was* what people said was their primary reason for not having children. However I think the question was asking something like; What would you have to have changed in your life for you to feel like having children?" So it probly wouldnt include ppl who flat out didnt want children ever.
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Its amazing, there was an article in the weekend Australian (magazine which comes with the national newspaper on the weekend) about how Australians are becoming more and more consumerist, while at the same time becoming less able to be happy. Collective consciousness at work.
Nice posts Gabe and Dub!! and Fluffy
Josh
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I'm only popping my head back in here for a thought I had on the subway...
CONTRACEPTION!
C'mon dude, how many ways has contraception made your life better since the 50s.
Sorry, it's only a half hearted point, but it's kind of true.
On a more serious note:
I think that people will always return to a 'neutral' default setting of happiness. I work at a school with some of the most privelaged humans in the world and they're still miserable. Since their lives are so small, anything going wrong is the worst thing in the world.
If breaking your nail the night before Prom is the worst thing that's ever happened to you, then I think it becomes "THE WORST THING IN THE WORLD".
I think that happiness levels will rise and fall on the short scale but always remain constant in the long run.
I've had students who had every privelage in the world who grew to be miserable angry people. I've had students who were dealt really horrible circumstances that overcame them and are some of the finest kids I've met.
I was also going to agree with a comment that Eric made but the lavender is just too tough on the eyes.
I'm only popping my head back in here for a thought I had on the subway...
CONTRACEPTION!
C'mon dude, how many ways has contraception made your life better since the 50s.
Sorry, it's only a half hearted point, but it's kind of true.
On a more serious note:
I think that people will always return to a 'neutral' default setting of happiness. I work at a school with some of the most privelaged humans in the world and they're still miserable. Since their lives are so small, anything going wrong is the worst thing in the world.
If breaking your nail the night before Prom is the worst thing that's ever happened to you, then I think it becomes "THE WORST THING IN THE WORLD".
I think that happiness levels will rise and fall on the short scale but always remain constant in the long run.
I've had students who had every privelage in the world who grew to be miserable angry people. I've had students who were dealt really horrible circumstances that overcame them and are some of the finest kids I've met.
I was also going to agree with a comment that Eric made but the lavender is just too tough on the eyes.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
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I accept your points NYC, but I reject the argument that we are living in the best world that weve ever had, cuz I think by a bunch of different measures we are sliding back.
While I guess this thread started as a cry for help in the dark, I feel its turned into more of a rally for the true believers, and I'm impressed by many of the sentiments expressed on this thread
I think the problem you outlined NYC is more to do with the fact that the market (which is increasingly driving peoples lives) does not deal in happiness, it deals in competition, competition makes the majority of ppl unhappy, as after all, if life is a race there are going to be a hell of a lot of ppl losing.
Im coming to the opinion that the market, while able to deliver flashier goods to a minority of ppl, actually is by far not the best way to run a whole society. After all, if you conceive of the earth as a big solar powered anti-entropy machine (humans being part of that machine) it does not make sense to have parts working against each other. Rather, you would prefer to have all the bits working together efficiently, if the good of the machine and its parts is your goal.
Josh
I accept your points NYC, but I reject the argument that we are living in the best world that weve ever had, cuz I think by a bunch of different measures we are sliding back.
While I guess this thread started as a cry for help in the dark, I feel its turned into more of a rally for the true believers, and I'm impressed by many of the sentiments expressed on this thread
I think the problem you outlined NYC is more to do with the fact that the market (which is increasingly driving peoples lives) does not deal in happiness, it deals in competition, competition makes the majority of ppl unhappy, as after all, if life is a race there are going to be a hell of a lot of ppl losing.
Im coming to the opinion that the market, while able to deliver flashier goods to a minority of ppl, actually is by far not the best way to run a whole society. After all, if you conceive of the earth as a big solar powered anti-entropy machine (humans being part of that machine) it does not make sense to have parts working against each other. Rather, you would prefer to have all the bits working together efficiently, if the good of the machine and its parts is your goal.
Josh
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I agree. I don't think it's the best ever on all points. I also think that ignorance is bliss sometimes (which is how I equate the apparent happiness in the 50s). "If women would just shut up and make me some dinner and those blacks knew their place we'd all be happy"
Commie.
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I accept your points NYC, but I reject the argument that we are living in the best world that weve ever had, cuz I think by a bunch of different measures we are sliding back.
I agree. I don't think it's the best ever on all points. I also think that ignorance is bliss sometimes (which is how I equate the apparent happiness in the 50s). "If women would just shut up and make me some dinner and those blacks knew their place we'd all be happy"
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Rather, you would prefer to have all the bits working together efficiently, if the good of the machine and its parts is your goal.
Josh
Commie.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
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I like commie.
Just to interject my thoughts Josh and NYC,
"The optimist says this is the best of all possible worlds,
The pessimist fears this is true."
I like commie.
Just to interject my thoughts Josh and NYC,
"The optimist says this is the best of all possible worlds,
The pessimist fears this is true."
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Wildfire/US East coast fire footage
LA/EDC glow/fire footage
Fresno fire
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Ok, guyss, every person has his own point of view/ And sometimes i feel like i live in the best world ever - thats when im happy, when its spring, when im in love... And... we really live in the best world, because thats the only world for us. Its our home - we can make it better, we can make it worse. Each person is able to make the world a bit better for him/herself, and for the ppl who surround him. And if every one of us does that - just a tiny little bit, and the other one does, the world gets better - just a tiny little bit.
Yes, the political and social situations in our countries differ, but never are ideal. Yes, there are wars and cruelty. There are poor and starving people. And we all know it. And strikes wont help, and sitting at home depressed wont help. We can only try to feed the hungry and help the poor. And be kind and patient to each other. Educate ourselves to become doctors, journalists, layers, teachers, oh, ANYBODY! And bring a lil piece of our knowledge to the world to make it a lil better. Do anything - draw, sculpt, sind, dance, drum, spin - its beautiful and gives ppl esthetical joy and makes them better for a second, etc, etc, etc....
And the world will be getting better or worce, and some day it may dissapear - nothing is forever in this galaxy, so while we have it...
Ok, guyss, every person has his own point of view/ And sometimes i feel like i live in the best world ever - thats when im happy, when its spring, when im in love... And... we really live in the best world, because thats the only world for us. Its our home - we can make it better, we can make it worse. Each person is able to make the world a bit better for him/herself, and for the ppl who surround him. And if every one of us does that - just a tiny little bit, and the other one does, the world gets better - just a tiny little bit.
Yes, the political and social situations in our countries differ, but never are ideal. Yes, there are wars and cruelty. There are poor and starving people. And we all know it. And strikes wont help, and sitting at home depressed wont help. We can only try to feed the hungry and help the poor. And be kind and patient to each other. Educate ourselves to become doctors, journalists, layers, teachers, oh, ANYBODY! And bring a lil piece of our knowledge to the world to make it a lil better. Do anything - draw, sculpt, sind, dance, drum, spin - its beautiful and gives ppl esthetical joy and makes them better for a second, etc, etc, etc....
And the world will be getting better or worce, and some day it may dissapear - nothing is forever in this galaxy, so while we have it...
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you are choosing to perceive what you see in a certain way. how you relate to what you perceive is your choice, too. you are a prime example of what i am talking about. just because you dont think that it is valid doesnt mean that its wrong. perhaps you are wrong. have you been wrong before? (yes, perhaps i am wrong too.. i am sweet with that.. i am not attached to my belief system.. its always changing anyway (just like everything else)). you've been wrong before. you'll be wrong again. do you entertain the possibly that you are wrong about this? (i do - entertain the possiblitly of me being wrong. which makes saying all this such a remarkable activity of fun and jolly joy and good times)
anyway..
you are right AND i am right. AND we are both wrong. doesnt that make you feel so good inside?
even though hippies know about karma and that if they do something bad to someone else, thats their karma too, they wont DO that bad thing, because thats not what hippies do, you know? we are peace-loving people who understand we have a choice of how we wish to be and we choose love. how you choose to manifest yourself is entirely up to you. choosing to have dogs s**t all over the place to prove a point?
nice one...
i cant help but be amused by the hypocritical nature of this paragraph. i wonder if you practice what you preach, because what you say here (and the vibe i get from the energy you put into this post) makes me feel as if you are not doing what you are inferring you do (ie, the opposite of what you claim other people are doing, that thing which annoys you..)..
anyway.
so long as emotions dont control the way people relate to their experiences, will there be mature, sane, enjoyable, transcedental conversation occuring..
peace and love, PoP.
(ps there ain't no offence or malice in this post at all, all i'm sending out through this (and this is a conscious intention, btw) is peace and love to you. may love light your path.)
Written by: Parliament Of PeaceWritten by: shen shui
if people are offended by something that you do, then thats their karma. thats their choice, to be offended.. they could have been pleased to have it, if their state-of-mind was in a different space..
do what feels right to you, and let others think what they will. dont be held back by what you think you should or should not do. do what feels right to you.
ohhh, that is such b*llsh*t!!! don't give me that karma crap... because with your speach you are also telling people it's ok to abuse others, and if they are or feel abused: it's just their karma, not the one from the abuser??? justify that.
you are choosing to perceive what you see in a certain way. how you relate to what you perceive is your choice, too. you are a prime example of what i am talking about. just because you dont think that it is valid doesnt mean that its wrong. perhaps you are wrong. have you been wrong before? (yes, perhaps i am wrong too.. i am sweet with that.. i am not attached to my belief system.. its always changing anyway (just like everything else)). you've been wrong before. you'll be wrong again. do you entertain the possibly that you are wrong about this? (i do - entertain the possiblitly of me being wrong. which makes saying all this such a remarkable activity of fun and jolly joy and good times)
anyway..
you are right AND i am right. AND we are both wrong. doesnt that make you feel so good inside?
even though hippies know about karma and that if they do something bad to someone else, thats their karma too, they wont DO that bad thing, because thats not what hippies do, you know? we are peace-loving people who understand we have a choice of how we wish to be and we choose love. how you choose to manifest yourself is entirely up to you. choosing to have dogs s**t all over the place to prove a point?
Written by: ParliamentOfPeace
so basically if I got 20 dogs, it's ok to let them do their toilet thing on the that grassy bit where you want to have your drum circle?
nice one...
Written by: ParliamentOfPeace
I really don't get annoyed too easily, but it's exactly that "new hippie" attitude that's been discussed here before: you only look as far as your own nose. if people don't see things your way, they are stupid. if others don't think the same, look the same or act the same they are not worthy of your love... so you just stick your head in the sand and live in your own little world.
but respect has to do with understanding other people's feelings, you know.
i cant help but be amused by the hypocritical nature of this paragraph. i wonder if you practice what you preach, because what you say here (and the vibe i get from the energy you put into this post) makes me feel as if you are not doing what you are inferring you do (ie, the opposite of what you claim other people are doing, that thing which annoys you..)..
anyway.
so long as emotions dont control the way people relate to their experiences, will there be mature, sane, enjoyable, transcedental conversation occuring..
peace and love, PoP.
(ps there ain't no offence or malice in this post at all, all i'm sending out through this (and this is a conscious intention, btw) is peace and love to you. may love light your path.)
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Wassergeist - Nice posts, everyone who challenges their own ideas has my respect. Seems to be one of the highest values - but probably I am wrong
Probably Shen Shui should have mentioned that everyone should consider the opinions of others and think about what they are doing first. Then decide what to do. Right thought and right action. Unfortunately we will always do mistakes although we had the best in mind. Abuse(how POP called it) or Offense (ShenShui) is in the eye of the beholder - Small scale to big scale. The intention is what matters - if the Iraq war for example was done out of good intent good things will get back, if not not. If you drum in the park in order to contribute to the environment those people who enjoy will enjoy it. Those people who dont like it will talk to you or tell you to stop. And those people who who dont like it and dont tell you are suffering - their problem, not yours. (But one should think first if their perfomance will or will not be appreciated)
We live in one of the most pleasant and just environments ever and have the possibility to do and improve so many things - and people still get depressed.
Josh, imo it is the best time to be a hippy - dont be saddened by the worlds problems, get inspired and try to help to solve them.
Ill follow Benjamen:
andy
Wassergeist - Nice posts, everyone who challenges their own ideas has my respect. Seems to be one of the highest values - but probably I am wrong
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ohhh, that is such b*llsh*t!!! don't give me that karma crap... because with your speach you are also telling people it's ok to abuse others, and if they are or feel abused: it's just their karma, not the one from the abuser??? justify that.
Probably Shen Shui should have mentioned that everyone should consider the opinions of others and think about what they are doing first. Then decide what to do. Right thought and right action. Unfortunately we will always do mistakes although we had the best in mind. Abuse(how POP called it) or Offense (ShenShui) is in the eye of the beholder - Small scale to big scale. The intention is what matters - if the Iraq war for example was done out of good intent good things will get back, if not not. If you drum in the park in order to contribute to the environment those people who enjoy will enjoy it. Those people who dont like it will talk to you or tell you to stop. And those people who who dont like it and dont tell you are suffering - their problem, not yours. (But one should think first if their perfomance will or will not be appreciated
)We live in one of the most pleasant and just environments ever and have the possibility to do and improve so many things - and people still get depressed.
Josh, imo it is the best time to be a hippy - dont be saddened by the worlds problems, get inspired and try to help to solve them.
Ill follow Benjamen:
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empathise with the worlds problems but dont take them as your own, see the glass as half full and make a difference where you can. thats what i try to do but then again im not a hippy
andy
To learn - read. To know - write. To master - teach . . .
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damn straight, there's no time like the present to change the future...
challenging your own ideas is the most important thing off all. you need to constantly be questioning yourself before you can question the actions of others. someone mentioned education, the best education is that which teaches us to be critical of ourselves.* what do i think? why do i think it? where did my ideas come from? i'm still not entirely happy with the way i live, in fact i'm totally hypocritical, but if i'm concious my hypocracy then its the first step towards doing something about it... like both Josh and Andy have said its about right thought then right action... and you can never be 100% right... for me life is a struggle to improve myself though self critique so hopefully i can work towards a better way of living with others in the world...
another good point, positive attitude starts at home. if you can be positive in yourself you can be positive with others... but it doesn't mean tht this is all you should do...
(*mini neo-commie rant - The marxist theory which powered the critical movement of the 70's states the ideology is a complex structure which unconciously influences our relationship to the world around us. only by becoming aware of how ideology works and how we are subject to it through culture 'can we transform it into an instrument of deliberate action on history'. the problem is that while living in a capitalist economy in order to survive (eat, house and cloth ourselves) we often (beleive we) have no choice but to play by the rules of the dominant cultural hegemony (ie. consumer culture).... the answer (although maybe hard to realise) surely has to be the creation of alternative practice not only on the level of culture (by which you can educate) but by way of life also. realistically this will never happen overnight but if everyone gradually strives for such a possibility, conciously re-evaluating and changing ther lives in little ways, it might happen eventually... rah!) 
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Josh, imo it is the best time to be a hippy - dont be saddened by the worlds problems, get inspired and try to help to solve them.
damn straight, there's no time like the present to change the future...
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everyone who challenges their own ideas has my respect.
challenging your own ideas is the most important thing off all. you need to constantly be questioning yourself before you can question the actions of others. someone mentioned education, the best education is that which teaches us to be critical of ourselves.* what do i think? why do i think it? where did my ideas come from? i'm still not entirely happy with the way i live, in fact i'm totally hypocritical, but if i'm concious my hypocracy then its the first step towards doing something about it... like both Josh and Andy have said its about right thought then right action... and you can never be 100% right... for me life is a struggle to improve myself though self critique so hopefully i can work towards a better way of living with others in the world...
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Each person is able to make the world a bit better for him/herself, and for the ppl who surround him. And if every one of us does that - just a tiny little bit, and the other one does, the world gets better - just a tiny little bit.
another good point, positive attitude starts at home. if you can be positive in yourself you can be positive with others... but it doesn't mean tht this is all you should do...
(*mini neo-commie rant
- The marxist theory which powered the critical movement of the 70's states the ideology is a complex structure which unconciously influences our relationship to the world around us. only by becoming aware of how ideology works and how we are subject to it through culture 'can we transform it into an instrument of deliberate action on history'. the problem is that while living in a capitalist economy in order to survive (eat, house and cloth ourselves) we often (beleive we) have no choice but to play by the rules of the dominant cultural hegemony (ie. consumer culture).... the answer (although maybe hard to realise) surely has to be the creation of alternative practice not only on the level of culture (by which you can educate) but by way of life also. realistically this will never happen overnight but if everyone gradually strives for such a possibility, conciously re-evaluating and changing ther lives in little ways, it might happen eventually... rah!) It is our fantasies that make us real. Without our fantasies we're just a blank monkey' - Terry Pratchett
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Playing OldSchool Poi
593 posts
Location: amsterdam, Netherlands
Playing OldSchool Poi
593 posts
Location: amsterdam, Netherlands
Posted:
don't get me wrong, I do like the energy that comes from (some) drumcircles. and I know I am wrong loads of times, and I realize I sometimes take a harder stand just to opposite somebody's argument, which might be wrong too (I don't even think that's correct english), but to combine some things said in some threads (this page doesn't let me read back on the posts) I think that a lot of people who are annoyed by drumming won't tell you to tune it down. they are usually too polite or too scared to go to a group of people (who might look weird and scary to them) and ask them to take it down a notch... they will probably move away to read their book.
what I basically want to say, that it might be important for people to wake up out of their own trip once in a while to see those who try to exist around you. I poiboxII for mentioning the thinking part... that is my point exactly.
the 20 big dogs example was misquoted... (I don't even 'own' or live with dogs).
it was never about the dogs anyway. I was looking for an example to turn the karma argument around: I would consider it bad for the karma of the one contributing to littering the environment (dogshit is litter too when places stategicly), instead bad karma for the person wanting to sit in the grass without dogpoo. but since you seem to know a bit about psychology and philosophy you'll probably find a smart answer out of this one too. (sarcasm intended)
I hope I do practise what I preach. (I find myself picking up wrappers that other throw on the floor all the time). although I might be the one sending out some annoyances too. e.g. when I play with fire: the parafin smell and residues are really annoying for others, and the spinning itself might be considered visual pollution. I have played guitar and sang in nature, and also there I might have pissed off others. but I do always try to chose that way of less suffering. it's an argument I've stood by in many things: I walk away from a fight, don't want to hit others. I walk away from drum-circles because it's better to be annoyed than to annoy a whole group who want to play. I chose to eat plants instead of animals. I probably weigh out the suffering quotient in most things I do. howmuch does this person's suffering weigh in comparison to this other person's pleasure.
YES!!!!!
because we are all here... together
anyway, got to cut this short, I'm already late for band practise...
love and hugs to all...
don't get me wrong, I do like the energy that comes from (some) drumcircles. and I know I am wrong loads of times, and I realize I sometimes take a harder stand just to opposite somebody's argument, which might be wrong too (I don't even think that's correct english), but to combine some things said in some threads (this page doesn't let me read back on the posts) I think that a lot of people who are annoyed by drumming won't tell you to tune it down. they are usually too polite or too scared to go to a group of people (who might look weird and scary to them) and ask them to take it down a notch... they will probably move away to read their book.
what I basically want to say, that it might be important for people to wake up out of their own trip once in a while to see those who try to exist around you. I
poiboxII for mentioning the thinking part... that is my point exactly.the 20 big dogs example was misquoted... (I don't even 'own' or live with dogs).
it was never about the dogs anyway. I was looking for an example to turn the karma argument around: I would consider it bad for the karma of the one contributing to littering the environment (dogshit is litter too when places stategicly), instead bad karma for the person wanting to sit in the grass without dogpoo. but since you seem to know a bit about psychology and philosophy you'll probably find a smart answer out of this one too. (sarcasm intended)
I hope I do practise what I preach. (I find myself picking up wrappers that other throw on the floor all the time). although I might be the one sending out some annoyances too. e.g. when I play with fire: the parafin smell and residues are really annoying for others, and the spinning itself might be considered visual pollution. I have played guitar and sang in nature, and also there I might have pissed off others. but I do always try to chose that way of less suffering. it's an argument I've stood by in many things: I walk away from a fight, don't want to hit others. I walk away from drum-circles because it's better to be annoyed than to annoy a whole group who want to play. I chose to eat plants instead of animals. I probably weigh out the suffering quotient in most things I do. howmuch does this person's suffering weigh in comparison to this other person's pleasure.
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you are right AND i am right. AND we are both wrong. doesnt that make you feel so good inside?
YES!!!!!
because we are all here... togetheranyway, got to cut this short, I'm already late for band practise...
love and hugs to all...
eRic.
I'm not normally a religious man, but if you're up there, save me, Superman!
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no excuses. no apologies.
1,799 posts
Location: aotearoa, New Zealand
no excuses. no apologies.
1,799 posts
Location: aotearoa, New Zealand
Posted:
yay.
bloody devils advocates..!
what fun, arguing about the same thing.
(just like a good hippy should)
yay.
bloody devils advocates..!
what fun, arguing about the same thing.
(just like a good hippy should)
those that know, dont say. those that say, dont know.
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member
103 posts
Location: Online!, USA
member
103 posts
Location: Online!, USA
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respect is the key
i cant see what would make any one persons enjoyment more...
valueble?
than anothers
ie. the hippie drummers being told to knock it off would run their time just as throughly as their drumming would disturb your peaceful nature excursions
i dont particularly like drum circles but if someone else is enjoying it thats good enough for me
ill go somewhere else and blare my dance music
anyways
i know that there are many things wrong with the world we live in and i know that there is so much corruption and hate and i know that i, most likely wont make a difference, but you know what?
this is the only life i've got, its the only world i can live in and im going to be damned if i dont enjoy every minute of it!
no offence or criticisim intended so s for all
(i feel bad : most of this stuff is fairly over my head)
EDITED_BY: Fathom (1112058710)
respect is the key
i cant see what would make any one persons enjoyment more...
valueble?
than anothers
ie. the hippie drummers being told to knock it off would run their time just as throughly as their drumming would disturb your peaceful nature excursions
i dont particularly like drum circles but if someone else is enjoying it thats good enough for me
ill go somewhere else and blare my dance music
anyways
i know that there are many things wrong with the world we live in and i know that there is so much corruption and hate and i know that i, most likely wont make a difference, but you know what?
this is the only life i've got, its the only world i can live in and im going to be damned if i dont enjoy every minute of it!
no offence or criticisim intended so
s for all(i feel bad : most of this stuff is fairly over my head)
EDITED_BY: Fathom (1112058710)
Kangaroo Island eh? I hear that place is really hopping!
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384 posts
Location: West LA
384 posts
Location: West LA
Posted:
Westerners . . . .
nice one Fathom
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i know that there are many things wrong with the world we live in and i know that there is so much corruption and hate and i know that i, most likely wont make a difference, but you know what?
this is the only life i've got
Westerners . . . .
nice one Fathom
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Location: Online!, USA
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103 posts
Location: Online!, USA
Posted:
i do try...
and thanks!
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i know that there are many things wrong with the world we live in and i know that there is so much corruption and hate and i know that i, most likely wont make a difference, but you know what?
this is the only life i've got
Westerners . . . .
nice one Fathom
i do try...
and thanks! Kangaroo Island eh? I hear that place is really hopping!
Pooh-Bah
1,662 posts
Location: Bristol
1,662 posts
Location: Bristol
Posted:
ok, here's the hippiy lowdown..
don't make any rules, when a situation comes up and you can't see any solution just think 'what would be the fluffiest thing i could do now?' and do it.
be nice to people on a regular basis...be nice to yourself.
you have to make the decision every single time - there's no blanket rule. you can't just 'decide' what you think about any world situation, you just have to be fluffy!
it's not easy being a hippy, but someone's got to do it! fluff on dudes
ok, here's the hippiy lowdown..
don't make any rules, when a situation comes up and you can't see any solution just think 'what would be the fluffiest thing i could do now?' and do it.
be nice to people on a regular basis...be nice to yourself.
you have to make the decision every single time - there's no blanket rule. you can't just 'decide' what you think about any world situation, you just have to be fluffy!
it's not easy being a hippy, but someone's got to do it! fluff on dudes
I had a dream that my friend had a
strong-bad pop up book,
it was the book of my dreams.
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1,799 posts
Location: aotearoa, New Zealand
no excuses. no apologies.
1,799 posts
Location: aotearoa, New Zealand
Posted:
if everyone was a hippy, the world would be full of peace.
love is the answer to every question (esp. "what is love?")
fluffy fuzzies are fun.
if everyone was a hippy, the world would be full of peace.
love is the answer to every question (esp. "what is love?")
fluffy fuzzies are fun.
those that know, dont say. those that say, dont know.
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Skinny poi maker
313 posts
Location: Moscow, Russia
Skinny poi maker
313 posts
Location: Moscow, Russia
Posted:
hippy or not, fluffy or not - be yourself, be honest with yourself and everybody. Be jenerous in giving out love - that will never play bad for you.
hippy or not, fluffy or not - be yourself, be honest with yourself and everybody. Be jenerous in giving out love - that will never play bad for you.
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[psylocibin fingerbobe].
479 posts
Location: London, United Kingdom
[psylocibin fingerbobe].
479 posts
Location: London, United Kingdom
Posted:
Don't worry...
You just have to hippy on through - they'll see the light eventually.
The day of the hippies is nigh!!
Don't worry...
You just have to hippy on through - they'll see the light eventually.
The day of the hippies is nigh!!
Pooh-Bah
1,662 posts
Location: Bristol
1,662 posts
Location: Bristol
Posted:
it's here dude, we're just bad at advertising...
it's here dude, we're just bad at advertising...
I had a dream that my friend had a
strong-bad pop up book,
it was the book of my dreams.
Froggie ... Ribbit !!!
4,224 posts
Location: Back in Paris... for now !
4,224 posts
Location: Back in Paris... for now !
Posted:
Hey sweet one
I just wanted to say I have no urge to be called or act like a hippie, not even sure what it means, not oblivious to the eternal hardship and suffering on earth either, yet i just want to say
my oh my is life beautiful
every day i feel ever so gratefull even when i get a few bumps on the road, every day there is at least one gift, one smile and everyday i chose to see it
and allthough you may have downs like we all do, you are someone i love because among other things you care and you can perceive the beauty
and when are you coming to stay here anyway ? i miss you two heaps
SHine on
cass
Hey sweet one
I just wanted to say I have no urge to be called or act like a hippie, not even sure what it means, not oblivious to the eternal hardship and suffering on earth either, yet i just want to say
my oh my is life beautiful
every day i feel ever so gratefull even when i get a few bumps on the road, every day there is at least one gift, one smile and everyday i chose to see it
and allthough you may have downs like we all do, you are someone i love because among other things you care and you can perceive the beauty
and when are you coming to stay here anyway ? i miss you two heaps
SHine on
cass
"I want brown bread... no, that is diesel oil..."
"So I was raised in Europe, where History comes from ..."
"NON !!! La Plume de mon oncle n est pas Bingibangibungi !!!"
NYC
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Posted:
Sorry... Carry on...
Sorry... Carry on...
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
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no excuses. no apologies.
1,799 posts
Location: aotearoa, New Zealand
no excuses. no apologies.
1,799 posts
Location: aotearoa, New Zealand
Posted:
no, no.. i agree...
many hugs are in order.
hugs RULE.
yay for HUGS, i say...!
see..?
yaaaaaay...!!!
no, no.. i agree...
many hugs are in order.
hugs RULE.
yay for HUGS, i say...!
see..?
yaaaaaay...!!!
those that know, dont say. those that say, dont know.
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