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Mumma Hen
6,391 posts
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Mumma Hen
6,391 posts
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posted:
I have started this thread to explain a few things as to why I reacted the way that I did in the fire mistake thread and the drunk spinners thread... prehaps there are a few things that I want to let the people who took offence to what I was saying should know.
in my honest opinion you cant take safety too seriously.
I have seen KIDS burnt, clothes sticking to people, blood spurting from their faces, someone knock a tooth out, broken ankles from staffs, third degree burns and quite frankly I speak from experience.
But im also not going to cop any more [censored] for voicing the safety aspect of fire.
I apologised earlier in those threads for being agressive, and as I explained there was a reason behind it due to the fact that I copped a whhhooolllleee load of abuse from a member for expressing my opinion. (which btw I dont do very often, but by god when I do it, I will be passionate about it because I feel strongly about it)
a few weeks ago I got threatened with a lawsuit when I was administering first aid to a 8 year old child who had been burnt by a staff that a twirler had flung into the crowd. This was a MISTAKE. The twirler slunk off into the darkness and I copped abuse such as "[censored] firetwirlers the most dangerous bloody thing I have ever seen, wheres the [censored] safety? Ive been a firetwirler for five [censored] years and all these people just walking in and twirling and being [censored] proud of their stupid behaviour, I ought to sue your ass "
I was so taken aback because this is a mentality that I have been coming across a lot lately, yet when I say stuff about safety at burleigh and other circles I get met with a non commital "yeah" and whispers about safety nazi...
burleigh is now going to be policed with the view to being shut down due to drinking and dangerous practises there. The safe twirlers (and there are quite a few at the coast) are now loosing the one big meet at the coast that we had.
Not only that but we are also going to be constantly scrutinised at thepark we twirl at by ourselves by the cops cause all twirlers have a bad name according to the council now.
thats why I push safety. we have lost our freedom as twirlers here at the coast. we have lost the respect of the police and also the public because of a few twirlers who are not safety concious and have ruined it for all of us...
Yeah I overreacted in the other thread. I have apologised. But for one moment focus on this happening in YOUR area. Being shut down and having the cops called everytime that you tryed to express your creative art through fire. ho hum.
no Im not getting off my high horse.Im not preaching at you. Its up to you if you take it on board. ...quite frankly I dont care anymore.
Now Im not saying that ALL firetwirlers have a bad name. A whole heap of you are safe and take all this stuff into consideration...........yay for you thats ultra cool...
it's started here, and Im really aware of it in other places now cause I tried to get safety at burleigh for soooo long yet was always told where to go by other twirlers...thats why I get fired up about it, I cant go to the park now and spin cause of the actions of other twirlers... we need to try to keep our freedom through responsability
EDITED_BY: Valura (1080769411)
I have started this thread to explain a few things as to why I reacted the way that I did in the fire mistake thread and the drunk spinners thread... prehaps there are a few things that I want to let the people who took offence to what I was saying should know.
in my honest opinion you cant take safety too seriously.
I have seen KIDS burnt, clothes sticking to people, blood spurting from their faces, someone knock a tooth out, broken ankles from staffs, third degree burns and quite frankly I speak from experience.
But im also not going to cop any more [censored] for voicing the safety aspect of fire.
I apologised earlier in those threads for being agressive, and as I explained there was a reason behind it due to the fact that I copped a whhhooolllleee load of abuse from a member for expressing my opinion. (which btw I dont do very often, but by god when I do it, I will be passionate about it because I feel strongly about it)
a few weeks ago I got threatened with a lawsuit when I was administering first aid to a 8 year old child who had been burnt by a staff that a twirler had flung into the crowd. This was a MISTAKE. The twirler slunk off into the darkness and I copped abuse such as "[censored] firetwirlers the most dangerous bloody thing I have ever seen, wheres the [censored] safety? Ive been a firetwirler for five [censored] years and all these people just walking in and twirling and being [censored] proud of their stupid behaviour, I ought to sue your ass "
I was so taken aback because this is a mentality that I have been coming across a lot lately, yet when I say stuff about safety at burleigh and other circles I get met with a non commital "yeah" and whispers about safety nazi...
burleigh is now going to be policed with the view to being shut down due to drinking and dangerous practises there. The safe twirlers (and there are quite a few at the coast) are now loosing the one big meet at the coast that we had.
Not only that but we are also going to be constantly scrutinised at thepark we twirl at by ourselves by the cops cause all twirlers have a bad name according to the council now.
thats why I push safety. we have lost our freedom as twirlers here at the coast. we have lost the respect of the police and also the public because of a few twirlers who are not safety concious and have ruined it for all of us...
Yeah I overreacted in the other thread. I have apologised. But for one moment focus on this happening in YOUR area. Being shut down and having the cops called everytime that you tryed to express your creative art through fire. ho hum.
no Im not getting off my high horse.Im not preaching at you. Its up to you if you take it on board. ...quite frankly I dont care anymore.
Now Im not saying that ALL firetwirlers have a bad name. A whole heap of you are safe and take all this stuff into consideration...........yay for you thats ultra cool...
it's started here, and Im really aware of it in other places now cause I tried to get safety at burleigh for soooo long yet was always told where to go by other twirlers...thats why I get fired up about it, I cant go to the park now and spin cause of the actions of other twirlers... we need to try to keep our freedom through responsability
EDITED_BY: Valura (1080769411)
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Carpal \'Tunnel
3,899 posts
Location: Austin, Texas, USA
Carpal \'Tunnel
3,899 posts
Location: Austin, Texas, USA
Posted:
this is actually already the case in Austin, Texas I believe. You can spin in private no problem, but if you want to spin fire in a public area and/or with a public crowd, then you must have a permit for the individual from the fire marshal. this is in addition to any show related permits you may or may not need for the particular event. To get it, you basically go audition for the fire marshal, show him you have enough technical and safety skills, and pay a nominal fee for the year. Arashi, Admarice, or someone else from Austin could say better what all the implications of it are, and many have bitched about the system, but I think most of the experienced fire people in Austin support it because there are hoards of people in austin who think they are good fire spinners but really aren't so aware of their enviroment or of safety issues, and this hurts the folks in Austin that are truely skilled, serious about the art, and very concious of safety.
Pretty much everyone I know in Texas who is serious about fire arts is serious about safety. I have never seen any group of fire performers in my travels that take more safety precautions or are more uptight about performance conditions during both formal shows and informal fire practices. It is only the yahoos that just wanna look cool/impress people but don't really care about the art of it per se that are the ones that should be b***h slapped for their sloppy (or nonexistant) safety. The permitting in Austin does seem to help with that, and Houston area fire peeps have thought about talking to the fire marshal there to enact the same thing. I think they should, but am not really part of their tribe anymore, so...
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I was just thinking. Maybe some of you guys who are really stressing safety to preserve freedom should try and start something governmentally. Try to get some kind of laws passed where you gotta have a license to spin fire. Would filter out a lot of the bad crowd and bring a bit of integrity back into being a spinner.
this is actually already the case in Austin, Texas I believe. You can spin in private no problem, but if you want to spin fire in a public area and/or with a public crowd, then you must have a permit for the individual from the fire marshal. this is in addition to any show related permits you may or may not need for the particular event. To get it, you basically go audition for the fire marshal, show him you have enough technical and safety skills, and pay a nominal fee for the year. Arashi, Admarice, or someone else from Austin could say better what all the implications of it are, and many have bitched about the system, but I think most of the experienced fire people in Austin support it because there are hoards of people in austin who think they are good fire spinners but really aren't so aware of their enviroment or of safety issues, and this hurts the folks in Austin that are truely skilled, serious about the art, and very concious of safety.
Pretty much everyone I know in Texas who is serious about fire arts is serious about safety. I have never seen any group of fire performers in my travels that take more safety precautions or are more uptight about performance conditions during both formal shows and informal fire practices. It is only the yahoos that just wanna look cool/impress people but don't really care about the art of it per se that are the ones that should be b***h slapped for their sloppy (or nonexistant) safety. The permitting in Austin does seem to help with that, and Houston area fire peeps have thought about talking to the fire marshal there to enact the same thing. I think they should, but am not really part of their tribe anymore, so...
-v-
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Location: wishing to be in Rio
Posted:
I think its a good thing that safety has improved in Texas because of this licencing - but is it a bit nuch to pay for a licence to spin fire? I pose this as a question, because I am unsure myself. I have spent the last 30 mins reading about safety issues and I would agree that it is of upmost importance. I also love the poi spinning community and my gut reaction is that getting a licence to spin fire is over the top.
HOWEVER, this would only be for spinning in front a crowd I assume... I (and I know many others) pay for public liability insurance for this sort of spinning and maybe this goes hand in hand with it.
- spin unlicenced where there is no danger to others, but performances - and I would suggest various high risk areas too - require a certain proficiency and awareness. The licency procedure would ensure this.
Risk assessment seems to be the key. As has already been said, many UK meets dont include much safety equipment - but a certain amount of judgement can avoid the need for all such things - ie. wearing the right clothing, being away from the public and over-hanging trees etc. And a main aspect of this is being able to communicate with the non-spinning community. If members of the public are coming to close - IT IS NOT THEIR FAULT, they just aren't aware of the danger and it is up to us to ensure they keep their distance (in the nicest way of course,- "oi! pi$$ off!" is not necessary!)
I think its a good thing that safety has improved in Texas because of this licencing - but is it a bit nuch to pay for a licence to spin fire? I pose this as a question, because I am unsure myself. I have spent the last 30 mins reading about safety issues and I would agree that it is of upmost importance. I also love the poi spinning community and my gut reaction is that getting a licence to spin fire is over the top.
HOWEVER, this would only be for spinning in front a crowd I assume... I (and I know many others) pay for public liability insurance for this sort of spinning and maybe this goes hand in hand with it.
- spin unlicenced where there is no danger to others, but performances - and I would suggest various high risk areas too - require a certain proficiency and awareness. The licency procedure would ensure this.
Risk assessment seems to be the key. As has already been said, many UK meets dont include much safety equipment - but a certain amount of judgement can avoid the need for all such things - ie. wearing the right clothing, being away from the public and over-hanging trees etc. And a main aspect of this is being able to communicate with the non-spinning community. If members of the public are coming to close - IT IS NOT THEIR FAULT, they just aren't aware of the danger and it is up to us to ensure they keep their distance (in the nicest way of course,- "oi! pi$$ off!" is not necessary!)
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Location: Milton Keynes and Kingston Upon Thames (UK)
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Posted:
i agree that difficult/ rude people are a problem. "kids with no fear of fire" are the responsibility of their parents as well as you as a performer, but it is amazing how many parents let their kids run around when i am spinning, they seem to have NO clue!
i also agree that it is the spinner that needs to be responsible, people just don't understand how dangerous it can be if you don't know what your doing.
there are also some people that enjoy the idea of making it more dangerous "living on the edge" especialy teenagers!
on the idea of licences to combat dangerous spinners i think it is a bad idea for two reasons:
1- it gives out the message to the public/authoritys that spinning is overly dangerous.
2- dangerous spinners can give us a worse name if they are "unlicenced"
really i think all we can do is be safe ourselves and try to educate (spinners/public/authorities) about the issues of safety and spinning, fire and non.
luv trixy
i agree that difficult/ rude people are a problem. "kids with no fear of fire" are the responsibility of their parents as well as you as a performer, but it is amazing how many parents let their kids run around when i am spinning, they seem to have NO clue!
i also agree that it is the spinner that needs to be responsible, people just don't understand how dangerous it can be if you don't know what your doing.
there are also some people that enjoy the idea of making it more dangerous "living on the edge" especialy teenagers!
on the idea of licences to combat dangerous spinners i think it is a bad idea for two reasons:
1- it gives out the message to the public/authoritys that spinning is overly dangerous.
2- dangerous spinners can give us a worse name if they are "unlicenced"
really i think all we can do is be safe ourselves and try to educate (spinners/public/authorities) about the issues of safety and spinning, fire and non.
luv trixy
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grumpy poorly froggy
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Location: Nuneaton, United Kingdom
grumpy poorly froggy
3,999 posts
Location: Nuneaton, United Kingdom
Posted:
a friend of mine and his girlfriend fire spin for a pub in town sometimes. they personaly have no insurance and from what i gather get paid in beer!!!!!
*takes deep breath* a few time also their home made poi fall apart, fly off. its completly nuts. i love my friend to bits he's a great guy but trying to talk to them about it, well i may as well set myself on fire i think. it would get their attention more.
a friend of mine and his girlfriend fire spin for a pub in town sometimes. they personaly have no insurance and from what i gather get paid in beer!!!!!
*takes deep breath* a few time also their home made poi fall apart, fly off. its completly nuts. i love my friend to bits he's a great guy but trying to talk to them about it, well i may as well set myself on fire i think. it would get their attention more.
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old hand
1,024 posts
Location: london
1,024 posts
Location: london
Posted:
Hey mr monkey!!
if sombody tried to stop you from spinning because you were too drunk, then mabie their just worried you might hurt your self not just everyone.
I agree fire spinning is a risk taking hobbie, but so is driving and your not aloud to drink and drive..
But good points tho
Written by: simian
It's someone who will not allow you to take a risk with yourself that you consider acceptable, because they do not consider it acceptable.
If somebody tried to stop you firespinning at all, because they considered the whole idea far too dangerous, then they're a safety fascist. Any disagreements?
Hey mr monkey!!
if sombody tried to stop you from spinning because you were too drunk, then mabie their just worried you might hurt your self not just everyone.
I agree fire spinning is a risk taking hobbie, but so is driving and your not aloud to drink and drive..
But good points tho
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Retro Fyre Wizzard
538 posts
Location: Pietermaritzburg (KZN), South Africa
Retro Fyre Wizzard
538 posts
Location: Pietermaritzburg (KZN), South Africa
Posted:
I know how you both feel... when i go on about saftey, people often either stake offence of try and dissapear...
what i'd really like to know... is why people avoid the subject! Like the risk is already there... shouldn't we be thinking about reducing it some... even if it's just for ourselves?
Written by: Valura
...yet when I say stuff about safety at burleigh and other circles I get met with a non commital "yeah" and whispers about safety nazi...
Written by: GothFrogette
...but trying to talk to them about it, well i may as well set myself on fire i think. it would get their attention more.
I know how you both feel... when i go on about saftey, people often either stake offence of try and dissapear...
what i'd really like to know... is why people avoid the subject! Like the risk is already there... shouldn't we be thinking about reducing it some... even if it's just for ourselves?
Regards 
Shu
(Ice-E FyreStorm - Group Manager & Performer)
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grumpy poorly froggy
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Location: Nuneaton, United Kingdom
grumpy poorly froggy
3,999 posts
Location: Nuneaton, United Kingdom
Posted:
yup and when they burn themselves really badly you would think they would learn!!! but noooooooooooooooo and i mean really badly
yup and when they burn themselves really badly you would think they would learn!!! but noooooooooooooooo and i mean really badly
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Carpal \'Tunnel
3,638 posts
Location: Brum / Dorset / Fairy Land
3,638 posts
Location: Brum / Dorset / Fairy Land
Posted:
valura.........
I have recently found it very difficult here, for a few reasons.
I moved to Uni here about 9 months ago.
I met a lot of fragmented spinning people and managed to bring them together through a lot of effort a lot of luck.
I consider each of them a friend, though new friends.
I do not like constantly being put in the position of 'nagging' and 'rminding' and 'instructing' them about saftey and then being labelled a 'safety Nazi'. Some people seem to think it's funny that I am so safety conscious and miss the point totally.
A lot of people spin fire without thinking about the risks.
A lot of people shrug and laugh when they get burned. HOW can we teach them that it's a TOTALLY IRRESPONSIBLE ATTITUDE let alone and extremely dangerous example to set others???
Just because most of the time it's ok - people don't take it seriously.
Time and time again people laugh off stories of burns and near-misses, much like reckless drivers laugh about how they nearly 'rolled their car' or whatever............... this stupid, foolhardy attitude is upsetting me massively.
Someone very close to my heart and my home is very guilty of this and laughs at me whenever I attempt to make it clearer to him....
help?
valura.........I have recently found it very difficult here, for a few reasons.
I moved to Uni here about 9 months ago.
I met a lot of fragmented spinning people and managed to bring them together through a lot of effort a lot of luck.
I consider each of them a friend, though new friends.
I do not like constantly being put in the position of 'nagging' and 'rminding' and 'instructing' them about saftey and then being labelled a 'safety Nazi'. Some people seem to think it's funny that I am so safety conscious and miss the point totally.
A lot of people spin fire without thinking about the risks.
A lot of people shrug and laugh when they get burned. HOW can we teach them that it's a TOTALLY IRRESPONSIBLE ATTITUDE let alone and extremely dangerous example to set others???
Just because most of the time it's ok - people don't take it seriously.
Time and time again people laugh off stories of burns and near-misses, much like reckless drivers laugh about how they nearly 'rolled their car' or whatever............... this stupid, foolhardy attitude is upsetting me massively.
Someone very close to my heart and my home is very guilty of this and laughs at me whenever I attempt to make it clearer to him....
help?
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Location: London
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Location: London
Posted:
I have to agree. I have met people in the past who just dont seem to care if they hit some one in the crowd or not (and then wonder why that person hurls abuse at them?????) Personnelly i say always have a fire blanket and burn cream (if not a first aid kit) although our fire blanket did actully go on fire once.... not sure it was supposed to do that
I have to agree. I have met people in the past who just dont seem to care if they hit some one in the crowd or not (and then wonder why that person hurls abuse at them?????) Personnelly i say always have a fire blanket and burn cream (if not a first aid kit) although our fire blanket did actully go on fire once.... not sure it was supposed to do that
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grumpy poorly froggy
3,999 posts
Location: Nuneaton, United Kingdom
grumpy poorly froggy
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Location: Nuneaton, United Kingdom
Posted:
mine did that too..... apparently it means time for a new one
Written by: tainted
) although our fire blanket did actully go on fire once.... not sure it was supposed to do that
mine did that too..... apparently it means time for a new one
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Still wiggling
5,967 posts
Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland (UK)
Still wiggling
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Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland (UK)
Posted:
I found mine Colleen... so all will be well again
I found mine Colleen... so all will be well again
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Pirate Ninja
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Location: Galway/Ireland
Pirate Ninja
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Location: Galway/Ireland
Posted:
sorry bout that....
Written by: tainted
I have to agree. I have met people in the past who just dont seem to care if they hit some one in the crowd or not (and then wonder why that person hurls abuse at them?????) Personnelly i say always have a fire blanket and burn cream (if not a first aid kit) although our fire blanket did actully go on fire once.... not sure it was supposed to do that
sorry bout that....
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grumpy poorly froggy
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Location: Nuneaton, United Kingdom
grumpy poorly froggy
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Location: Nuneaton, United Kingdom
Posted:
i remember before i got Fire poi i read all the saftey info i could and was really scared about lighting them up. i had everything to hand which i ended up not needing. now i wouldn't go anywhere without my FB etc. unless i am not actually poi-ing of cause. lololol
i remember before i got Fire poi i read all the saftey info i could and was really scared about lighting them up. i had everything to hand which i ended up not needing. now i wouldn't go anywhere without my FB etc. unless i am not actually poi-ing of cause. lololol
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Carpal \'Tunnel
3,136 posts
Location: Warwickshire, United Kingdom
Carpal \'Tunnel
3,136 posts
Location: Warwickshire, United Kingdom
Posted:
I had similar experiences at uni. I was the only fire spinner I met, but by the end i'd met several poi/juggling people. I introduced 3 of them to fire one night. All went really well, twas a lovely summer evening, till they started getting stoned. Then I found that they'd been secretly drinking for several hours (and didn't want me to see incase I said no). Accidents of course started to happen, poi let go off, handles dipped etc. It was like being with naughty school children, not my scene.
I don't think it's my place to tell people what they can and can't do within the law of the land, but I won't loan equipment/supply fuel to people who are intoxicated and in my view not experienced enough at spinning, especially people trying fire for the first time. I wouldn't be a particularly good friend or nice person if i did.
Written by: FNF
I moved to Uni here about 9 months ago.
I met a lot of fragmented spinning people and managed to bring them together through a lot of effort a lot of luck.
I had similar experiences at uni. I was the only fire spinner I met, but by the end i'd met several poi/juggling people. I introduced 3 of them to fire one night. All went really well, twas a lovely summer evening, till they started getting stoned. Then I found that they'd been secretly drinking for several hours (and didn't want me to see incase I said no). Accidents of course started to happen, poi let go off, handles dipped etc. It was like being with naughty school children, not my scene.
I don't think it's my place to tell people what they can and can't do within the law of the land, but I won't loan equipment/supply fuel to people who are intoxicated and in my view not experienced enough at spinning, especially people trying fire for the first time. I wouldn't be a particularly good friend or nice person if i did.
Carpal \'Tunnel
3,638 posts
Location: Brum / Dorset / Fairy Land
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Location: Brum / Dorset / Fairy Land
Posted:
They were/are not drunk. Or stoned. Just so totally closed-minded as to the fact that what they are doing IS dangerous, even if it hasn't actually killed any of them yet.
They were/are not drunk. Or stoned. Just so totally closed-minded as to the fact that what they are doing IS dangerous, even if it hasn't actually killed any of them yet.
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Carpal \'Tunnel
3,136 posts
Location: Warwickshire, United Kingdom
Carpal \'Tunnel
3,136 posts
Location: Warwickshire, United Kingdom
Posted:
Exactly. They didn't try fire for the first time as a chance thing whilst intoxicated, they did it knowingly, not caring about the safety aspect of it, and tried to cover the fact incase they were told off
I know plenty of poeple from HoP who do spin fire whilst intoxicated, but I don't really have a problem with it as they're good enough to minimize the risk. But taking drugs before you first attempt is just plain barmy
Exactly. They didn't try fire for the first time as a chance thing whilst intoxicated, they did it knowingly, not caring about the safety aspect of it, and tried to cover the fact incase they were told off
I know plenty of poeple from HoP who do spin fire whilst intoxicated, but I don't really have a problem with it as they're good enough to minimize the risk. But taking drugs before you first attempt is just plain barmy
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Beach bum
162 posts
Location: Singapore
Beach bum
162 posts
Location: Singapore
Posted:
I totally agree with Valura! Spinning is starting to get really popular in my city and our biggest concern is really safety. Nothing major has happened yet, but with the influx of new spinners it might not be long. We're worried that if anything happens here then it would be harder for the rest of us to spin, get permits or get hired for shows.
An acquintance of mine had asked to borrow my wicks (he didn't have his own set yet) so he can show me the moves he had learned from a travelling fire spinner. Anyway, he told me he knew all there was to know about it because the person who taught him was a really good spinner. He then proceeded to burn a bit of his hair (refused to take my beanie) and destroy my wicks by repeatedly whacking them on concrete pebblewash to put them out. That was the last time I lent my wicks out...
Some people are really arrogant when it comes playing with fire. It's the lack of respect for the element that gets me really worried. The group I spin with regularly, we now try to lead by example. Fire extinguishers, blankets, wet towels, first aid kits and safeties who really watch out for spinners. Hopefully we'll keep this city accident-free
I totally agree with Valura! Spinning is starting to get really popular in my city and our biggest concern is really safety. Nothing major has happened yet, but with the influx of new spinners it might not be long. We're worried that if anything happens here then it would be harder for the rest of us to spin, get permits or get hired for shows.
An acquintance of mine had asked to borrow my wicks (he didn't have his own set yet) so he can show me the moves he had learned from a travelling fire spinner. Anyway, he told me he knew all there was to know about it because the person who taught him was a really good spinner. He then proceeded to burn a bit of his hair (refused to take my beanie) and destroy my wicks by repeatedly whacking them on concrete pebblewash to put them out. That was the last time I lent my wicks out...
Some people are really arrogant when it comes playing with fire. It's the lack of respect for the element that gets me really worried. The group I spin with regularly, we now try to lead by example. Fire extinguishers, blankets, wet towels, first aid kits and safeties who really watch out for spinners. Hopefully we'll keep this city accident-free
Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again.
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grumpy poorly froggy
3,999 posts
Location: Nuneaton, United Kingdom
grumpy poorly froggy
3,999 posts
Location: Nuneaton, United Kingdom
Posted:
well perhaps the burning hair was karma working abit wonky, ie the wicks some how knew what they were in for so thought they would get in there first
And from the sounds of it your doing a great job with your group on saftey.... if only everyone was like that
well perhaps the burning hair was karma working abit wonky, ie the wicks some how knew what they were in for so thought they would get in there first And from the sounds of it your doing a great job with your group on saftey.... if only everyone was like that
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Its a bum with an afro...
223 posts
Location: Newcastle NSW
223 posts
Location: Newcastle NSW
Posted:
Hmmm... i didnt realise people were offended, or it was aggressive... so all i can say is
"When in rome"
stay classy.......
Hmmm... i didnt realise people were offended, or it was aggressive... so all i can say is
"When in rome"
stay classy.......
Racism is a weapon of mass destruction
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with added berries
1,365 posts
Location: Manchester, England (UK)
with added berries
1,365 posts
Location: Manchester, England (UK)
Posted:
Valura
I'm glad that people finally have the courage to confront saftey, good on you all!
Valura
I'm glad that people finally have the courage to confront saftey, good on you all!
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Taster of beer, drinker of wine and all around stumbler.
238 posts
Location: Somewere way out there
238 posts
Location: Somewere way out there
Posted:
I am really new to fire....I am planning on doing my first burn in about 3 weeks time. Being a paramedic I have seen and smelt my fair share of burn patients. Now you may all get a little squeamish about this, but I think it need to be said. I person who gets burnt is not a pleasant thing. They are usually crying in pain and the smell will never leave you. I guarantee you that you will throw away any clothes you were wearing while treating you because you can not get the smell out of them. If that patient happens to be a person standing in the sidelines....watching your performance, they have no idea about the risk! They have no idea about safety! And it is not their responsibility to either. You dipped your poi/staff, set them alight and preceded to give them a show. It is your responsibility and yours alone to make sure that you and your gear are ready and that you have responsible people as your safety. There is no such thing as an accident when bystanders are hurt....that was your fault. If you (as the performer) gets burnt, that was your decision.
Although I am new, please don't right off what I am saying. I am sure none of you would like to see someone burnt and having to listened to their pleas for help.
I am really new to fire....I am planning on doing my first burn in about 3 weeks time. Being a paramedic I have seen and smelt my fair share of burn patients. Now you may all get a little squeamish about this, but I think it need to be said. I person who gets burnt is not a pleasant thing. They are usually crying in pain and the smell will never leave you. I guarantee you that you will throw away any clothes you were wearing while treating you because you can not get the smell out of them. If that patient happens to be a person standing in the sidelines....watching your performance, they have no idea about the risk! They have no idea about safety! And it is not their responsibility to either. You dipped your poi/staff, set them alight and preceded to give them a show. It is your responsibility and yours alone to make sure that you and your gear are ready and that you have responsible people as your safety. There is no such thing as an accident when bystanders are hurt....that was your fault. If you (as the performer) gets burnt, that was your decision.
Although I am new, please don't right off what I am saying. I am sure none of you would like to see someone burnt and having to listened to their pleas for help.
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grumpy poorly froggy
3,999 posts
Location: Nuneaton, United Kingdom
grumpy poorly froggy
3,999 posts
Location: Nuneaton, United Kingdom
Posted:
you made very good points which is why most set up barriers and have a buddy to keep an eye on things. sometimes though you can do everything you can and by standers do get hurt which is why they are called accidents.
i used to work in the childrens unit at the hospital. the running up to bonfire night was busy enough but the smell on the morning after when you walk in turns your stomach
you made very good points which is why most set up barriers and have a buddy to keep an eye on things. sometimes though you can do everything you can and by standers do get hurt which is why they are called accidents.
i used to work in the childrens unit at the hospital. the running up to bonfire night was busy enough but the smell on the morning after when you walk in turns your stomach
Life's too short to worry about where you put your marshmallows
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HoP's Barman. Trapped aged 6 months
4,437 posts
Location: Staines, United Kingdom
HoP's Barman. Trapped aged 6 months
4,437 posts
Location: Staines, United Kingdom
Posted:
Everyone i know always says theres no point in me bringing a fire blanket every time to the spins and shows i do, they say nothing ever bad happens.
I'm like hey thats good, but what if something DID happen, we'd be screwed
Everyone i know always says theres no point in me bringing a fire blanket every time to the spins and shows i do, they say nothing ever bad happens.
I'm like hey thats good, but what if something DID happen, we'd be screwed
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grumpy poorly froggy
3,999 posts
Location: Nuneaton, United Kingdom
grumpy poorly froggy
3,999 posts
Location: Nuneaton, United Kingdom
Posted:
i was having a talk last night with a group of people who are planning their first burn within the next couple of months. i have told them everything i know about fire saftey. then they asked where they would buy suitable fire extingushers and i had no idea, where do you get them from?
Will you reminded me i still need to get a new fire blanket my brans dies and i keep forgetting stuff
i was having a talk last night with a group of people who are planning their first burn within the next couple of months. i have told them everything i know about fire saftey. then they asked where they would buy suitable fire extingushers and i had no idea, where do you get them from?
Will you reminded me i still need to get a new fire blanket my brans dies and i keep forgetting stuff
Life's too short to worry about where you put your marshmallows
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The GF of HoP
492 posts
Location: Somerset, England
The GF of HoP
492 posts
Location: Somerset, England
Posted:
I get nearly all my paraffin from the BP down the road which also where i go my extinguisher and blanket from. It’s the nearest thing to a dedicated fire spinning outlet I’ve seen.
I get nearly all my paraffin from the BP down the road which also where i go my extinguisher and blanket from. It’s the nearest thing to a dedicated fire spinning outlet I’ve seen.
fire leads to creation
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Carpal \'Tunnel
3,136 posts
Location: Warwickshire, United Kingdom
Carpal \'Tunnel
3,136 posts
Location: Warwickshire, United Kingdom
Posted:
i bought my fire extinguisher from halfords. Lots of hardware stores (b&q, homebase etc) should sell em
i bought my fire extinguisher from halfords. Lots of hardware stores (b&q, homebase etc) should sell em
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Carpal \'Tunnel
3,252 posts
Location: sheffield, United Kingdom
Carpal \'Tunnel
3,252 posts
Location: sheffield, United Kingdom
Posted:
But there's several different types and I think only one is suitable for spinning scenarios.
Maybe someone who knows can post the UK name of the right type; otherwise I think it's in one of the HOP articles/FAQs.
But there's several different types and I think only one is suitable for spinning scenarios.
Maybe someone who knows can post the UK name of the right type; otherwise I think it's in one of the HOP articles/FAQs.
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Retro Fyre Wizzard
538 posts
Location: Pietermaritzburg (KZN), South Africa
Retro Fyre Wizzard
538 posts
Location: Pietermaritzburg (KZN), South Africa
Posted:
*Shu attempts CPR on GothFrogette's brain*
Your friendly reminder!
You can make your own fire blanket with towel fabric... custom size, cut, overlock and walla! For an supa fire blanket. If you have the time and are prepared to put in the effort, double the towel over for a double thick blanket. At a gig, keep it damp and handy.
Written by: GothFrogette
...Will you reminded me i still need to get a new fire blanket my brans dies and i keep forgetting stuff
*Shu attempts CPR on GothFrogette's brain*
Your friendly reminder!
You can make your own fire blanket with towel fabric... custom size, cut, overlock and walla! For an supa fire blanket. If you have the time and are prepared to put in the effort, double the towel over for a double thick blanket. At a gig, keep it damp and handy.
Regards
Shu
(Ice-E FyreStorm - Group Manager & Performer)
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Returning to a unique state of Equilibrium
3,289 posts
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Returning to a unique state of Equilibrium
3,289 posts
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Posted:
um shu, why not just use a damp towel?
um shu, why not just use a damp towel?
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Self-Flagellation Expert
3,414 posts
Location: Bogged at CG, Australia
Self-Flagellation Expert
3,414 posts
Location: Bogged at CG, Australia
Posted:
only problem with that is, towels are flammable. sorta. fire blankets arent. at all. well, they are, but its really really hard to get one to light up. unlike a towel. agreed, the towel is damp, but then you get hassles with steam burns and other such nastiness.
Personally, i'd go with a fire blanket over a towel any day of the week.
only problem with that is, towels are flammable. sorta. fire blankets arent. at all. well, they are, but its really really hard to get one to light up. unlike a towel. agreed, the towel is damp, but then you get hassles with steam burns and other such nastiness.
Personally, i'd go with a fire blanket over a towel any day of the week.
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