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right i was playing earlier, i was doing butterflys, and i wonderd what it would look like if one poi did two circles in the time it took the other one to do one, ie it moves 2 x as fast.
this was harder than it sounds, i still cant really do it very well, but it looked very cool from where i was.
i was wondering if anyone else knows any moves like this?
i have a feeling they would all look crazy
right i was playing earlier, i was doing butterflys, and i wonderd what it would look like if one poi did two circles in the time it took the other one to do one, ie it moves 2 x as fast.
this was harder than it sounds, i still cant really do it very well, but it looked very cool from where i was.
i was wondering if anyone else knows any moves like this?
i have a feeling they would all look crazy
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Posted:
ahaa!
these would be
2:1 moves.
or 3:1 etcetcetc.
are you anywhere near coleman? cause he does these gorgeously.
there's not been too much discussion of these, but they are all over the place.
glass also has a tasty couple up his sleeve(amazing how he fits in whole moves there, esp. as he usually weras tight clothing
)
one of the basic ones is on pk's col 3 footage. i put in one on howto... but my poi describing is poor these days so i'll let someone else give you inch-perfects.
R
ahaa!
these would be
2:1 moves.
or 3:1 etcetcetc.
are you anywhere near coleman? cause he does these gorgeously.
there's not been too much discussion of these, but they are all over the place.
glass also has a tasty couple up his sleeve(amazing how he fits in whole moves there, esp. as he usually weras tight clothing
)one of the basic ones is on pk's col 3 footage. i put in one on howto... but my poi describing is poor these days so i'll let someone else give you inch-perfects.
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oh yeah! these were my personal favorite for a little while.
riding the coattails of parrallel weaves, i reckon. airwrap some longer poi/shorter poi length combinations while doing this for a super neato effect
oh yeah! these were my personal favorite for a little while.
riding the coattails of parrallel weaves, i reckon. airwrap some longer poi/shorter poi length combinations while doing this for a super neato effect
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Spiff! I've played around with poi at different lengths, which often ends up being different speeds unless I concentrate on that. Hrm... ::inspired::
Spiff! I've played around with poi at different lengths, which often ends up being different speeds unless I concentrate on that. Hrm... ::inspired::
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The only one I spin is from a btb butterfly waist-wrap.
Coleman mentions it [Old link]
The only one I spin is from a btb butterfly waist-wrap.
Coleman mentions it [Old link]
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Posted:
The only one that I do is a butterfly where one poi does two circles while the other does one, then alternate and do the opposite side as two. If you only do it without alternating it reminds me of one of those hair/glam band guys doing the electric guitar strum where you make big circles with your pick hand. (Assumes noone knows what the hell I'm talking about and moves on...)
I found it to be a real brain buster to learn to alternate but it looks cool. It took me even longer to translate it to glowstick because the lightness made it really hard to speed up and then slow down as the side that is doing one circle obviously goes slower.
Wait, no.. it's a bigger circle too so the diameter is bigger so it's just traveling further but it still feels slower since the radius is bigger the centripital force is smaller. Sorry, didn't want to get yelled at by Cole.
I will also hesitatingly admit that this is one of the very few families of moves that the terms "beat" becomes vague and should be replaced with circle. Or at least knowingly use the word "beat" wrong.
The only one that I do is a butterfly where one poi does two circles while the other does one, then alternate and do the opposite side as two. If you only do it without alternating it reminds me of one of those hair/glam band guys doing the electric guitar strum where you make big circles with your pick hand. (Assumes noone knows what the hell I'm talking about and moves on...)
I found it to be a real brain buster to learn to alternate but it looks cool. It took me even longer to translate it to glowstick because the lightness made it really hard to speed up and then slow down as the side that is doing one circle obviously goes slower.
Wait, no.. it's a bigger circle too so the diameter is bigger so it's just traveling further but it still feels slower since the radius is bigger the centripital force is smaller. Sorry, didn't want to get yelled at by Cole.
I will also hesitatingly admit that this is one of the very few families of moves that the terms "beat" becomes vague and should be replaced with circle. Or at least knowingly use the word "beat" wrong.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
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*trundles off to watch how to for about the 342 nd time*
i think i saw it im not sure though...
and thanks for the ideas everyone i was just playing around with separating the weave, speeding one poi up so it did two separated circles while the other did one, it was easier than the butterfly one...
anyway thanks
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one of the basic ones is on pk's col 3 footage. i put in one on howto...
*trundles off to watch how to for about the 342 nd time*
i think i saw it im not sure though...
and thanks for the ideas everyone
i was just playing around with separating the weave, speeding one poi up so it did two separated circles while the other did one, it was easier than the butterfly one...anyway thanks
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my (almost) mistake.
its at 1.13 and more of a shorteing move but still speeds one up significantly.
if you lok at th start of morning coffee tho(i know the brightness might make this diffficult) pk is doing a 3:2 for lots of it...
R
my (almost) mistake.
its at 1.13 and more of a shorteing move but still speeds one up significantly.
if you lok at th start of morning coffee tho(i know the brightness might make this diffficult) pk is doing a 3:2 for lots of it...
R
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Ugh.
Something else for me to learn.
When will it end!?
Ugh.
Something else for me to learn.
When will it end!?
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We'll blaze a new trail,
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Never!
Never!
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no 3:2 or owt like that there!
still that weird wall plane half fountain thingy btb!
no 3:2 or owt like that there!
still that weird wall plane half fountain thingy btb!
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yes there is
i watched it in slomo to check
R
yes there is
i watched it in slomo to check
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hmmm yeah I do one like that... first move I learned actually though it was by accident... tryed to do corkscrews and windmills ended up with this bizzare move that is decribed by one friend as a 1and a half beat windmill we just call it weaving a helecopter.... no clue what anyone else calls it actually haven't seen any one do it but me even at burning man.
any way one poi is spinning in a constant circle over head the other is going twice the speed whipping up and down and in and out of the blades so to speak. so actually its 2 diffrent speeds 2 diffrent planes and 2 diffrent moves with each hand. Make any sense at all???
hmmm yeah I do one like that... first move I learned actually though it was by accident... tryed to do corkscrews and windmills ended up with this bizzare move that is decribed by one friend as a 1and a half beat windmill we just call it weaving a helecopter.... no clue what anyone else calls it actually haven't seen any one do it but me even at burning man.
any way one poi is spinning in a constant circle over head the other is going twice the speed whipping up and down and in and out of the blades so to speak. so actually its 2 diffrent speeds 2 diffrent planes and 2 diffrent moves with each hand. Make any sense at all???
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now that u mention it a few month ago i came up with a 3btw but on the third beat u ad a spin b4 u bring it to the other side, its preety easy once u understand what your doing lol ( liek everything else) and it looks sick to thnx for reminding me lol
now that u mention it a few month ago i came up with a 3btw but on the third beat u ad a spin b4 u bring it to the other side, its preety easy once u understand what your doing lol ( liek everything else) and it looks sick to thnx for reminding me lol
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this sounds pretty crazy....never even really pondered such things...i'd say at this point in time, i'm satisfied with my level of spinning because i spin glowsticks at 'underground dance parties' and other such events, and when u can turn heads, it's fulfilling enough...plus they don't really care or even think about WHAT your doing (eg.how many spins you're doing/forwards/reverse, etc...) they just see lights and are amazed...HA!
this sounds pretty crazy....never even really pondered such things...i'd say at this point in time, i'm satisfied with my level of spinning because i spin glowsticks at 'underground dance parties' and other such events, and when u can turn heads, it's fulfilling enough...plus they don't really care or even think about WHAT your doing (eg.how many spins you're doing/forwards/reverse, etc...) they just see lights and are amazed...HA!
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for me its just happened.... never tried to do anything just seems that any spin i come up with on my own is always in an odd time sig. an off beat and in 2 diffrent speeds.... diffrent people pick up diffrent things more easily that happens to be what for some odd reason my body does easiest.... odd beats odd rythms makes for a distictive style I supose :-)
for me its just happened.... never tried to do anything just seems that any spin i come up with on my own is always in an odd time sig. an off beat and in 2 diffrent speeds.... diffrent people pick up diffrent things more easily that happens to be what for some odd reason my body does easiest.... odd beats odd rythms makes for a distictive style I supose :-)
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Hey. I know I've been off the boards for a while, but this is my favorite set, so I'm gonna get into it a bit while I have time today. I learned these really well on accident thinking they were 5 beat weaves when I was first starting out. =) Basically, I wasn't sure which hand was supposed to make the 'extra beat', so I ended up throwing a wrist flick circle onto the outside hand of a reverse weave, and 'voila!' 3:1. I thought I was halfway to the real 5... hehe.
Anyways, now I love doing these all the way up to 7:2 (for that true 'no wrap' 9 beat flavor
). It's not too clean with that many extra circles, though I do have some tips to make less hectic sets look pretty. The notation I'm using here is (leading hand circles):(trailing hand circles), not any kind of proportions. A 3 beat split time is 2:1 and a 5 beat split time is 3:2 for these purposes.
Start with 4:1 forward/reverse -- if you're having trouble doing both sides at once in the same direction, just change directions in the middle. ie, go from forward on the right side to reverse on the left side; it gives you time to focus on slowing down the over-rotated hand, and adds another 4-fold dimension to this family.
For the 4:2, just do the same thing, only add the wrist motions from the 5 beat into it. You end up making two slow circles with the trailing hand, but the wrists are the key. If your default mode of weaving is the 5 beat, this might come naturally.
Once you get into 5:1, the path your leading hand follows becomes more important. Try to think of making a spiral from the outside of the opposite shoulder, around the top of the elbow (for forward action; underneath armpit for reverse) and inside at the wrist for the changover.
For forward 5:2, you have to be outside the shoulder at the first beat, inside the elbow by beat 3 and back under and outside the wrist to hit the wrist wrap at the changeover.
For 6:1(or 2) and 7:2(or 1), I almost always have to move from forward on the rightside to reverse on the left (or vice-versa). I'm weak on my left hand forward side, which starts to show at this point. I'll throw 7:2's with my right and 6:2's with my left most of the time... There is just too much momentum to cleanly go from so many rotations on one side to only 1 or two on the other side, but I'm getting better.
It's fun when you're at this point to practice changeovers (turns) that are between a 3-beat style turn and a 5-beat style turn (ie. changing from 5:2 forward on left to 6:1 reverse on right). It should feel the same as doing a 5 beat on one side and 3 beat on the other.
My favorite move out of this whole family (which I dubbed to be "untime" weaving when I started, since it's definitely outside split or parallel time) is the 2:2 reverse weave. I do it so that it looks like the first beat is split and the second is paralell. The heads come together for the parallel part on beat (with the music) at the changeover point which makes it very noticable (like a Reel in some notations). Second favorite would be the overly difficult looking 5:2 reverse left to 5:2 reverse right, 5 beat crossover to 5:2 forward left to 5:2 forward right, 5 beat crossover to the beginning. It's like an impossibly fast weave 'X' pattern.
Eventually, I realized this was just like doing the outside half of a buzzsaw by unhooking the planes your two hands are travelling, which is why you can get unlimited extra beats in, and rehooking them together for the crossover. Speed with one hand, control with the other. Another way of explaining these entirely is that they're like what PoiPoiPoi calls 'fakeys' , only the trailing hand doesn't come inside. Let me know if this makes no sense. I've got to get back to work!
-- Dut
edit: removed references to 'beat' when I really mean 'circle'. I was on crack yesterday and had mixed up which side of the shoulder to start the spirals on for forward/reverse weaves. cleaned up a few other notational issues and added links.
EDITED_BY: Dut (1072881957)
Hey. I know I've been off the boards for a while, but this is my favorite set, so I'm gonna get into it a bit while I have time today. I learned these really well on accident thinking they were 5 beat weaves when I was first starting out. =) Basically, I wasn't sure which hand was supposed to make the 'extra beat', so I ended up throwing a wrist flick circle onto the outside hand of a reverse weave, and 'voila!' 3:1. I thought I was halfway to the real 5... hehe.
Anyways, now I love doing these all the way up to 7:2 (for that true 'no wrap' 9 beat flavor
). It's not too clean with that many extra circles, though I do have some tips to make less hectic sets look pretty. The notation I'm using here is (leading hand circles):(trailing hand circles), not any kind of proportions. A 3 beat split time is 2:1 and a 5 beat split time is 3:2 for these purposes.Start with 4:1 forward/reverse -- if you're having trouble doing both sides at once in the same direction, just change directions in the middle. ie, go from forward on the right side to reverse on the left side; it gives you time to focus on slowing down the over-rotated hand, and adds another 4-fold dimension to this family.
For the 4:2, just do the same thing, only add the wrist motions from the 5 beat into it. You end up making two slow circles with the trailing hand, but the wrists are the key. If your default mode of weaving is the 5 beat, this might come naturally.
Once you get into 5:1, the path your leading hand follows becomes more important. Try to think of making a spiral from the outside of the opposite shoulder, around the top of the elbow (for forward action; underneath armpit for reverse) and inside at the wrist for the changover.
For forward 5:2, you have to be outside the shoulder at the first beat, inside the elbow by beat 3 and back under and outside the wrist to hit the wrist wrap at the changeover.
For 6:1(or 2) and 7:2(or 1), I almost always have to move from forward on the rightside to reverse on the left (or vice-versa). I'm weak on my left hand forward side, which starts to show at this point. I'll throw 7:2's with my right and 6:2's with my left most of the time... There is just too much momentum to cleanly go from so many rotations on one side to only 1 or two on the other side, but I'm getting better.
It's fun when you're at this point to practice changeovers (turns) that are between a 3-beat style turn and a 5-beat style turn (ie. changing from 5:2 forward on left to 6:1 reverse on right). It should feel the same as doing a 5 beat on one side and 3 beat on the other.
My favorite move out of this whole family (which I dubbed to be "untime" weaving when I started, since it's definitely outside split or parallel time) is the 2:2 reverse weave. I do it so that it looks like the first beat is split and the second is paralell. The heads come together for the parallel part on beat (with the music) at the changeover point which makes it very noticable (like a Reel in some notations). Second favorite would be the overly difficult looking 5:2 reverse left to 5:2 reverse right, 5 beat crossover to 5:2 forward left to 5:2 forward right, 5 beat crossover to the beginning. It's like an impossibly fast weave 'X' pattern.
Eventually, I realized this was just like doing the outside half of a buzzsaw by unhooking the planes your two hands are travelling, which is why you can get unlimited extra beats in, and rehooking them together for the crossover. Speed with one hand, control with the other. Another way of explaining these entirely is that they're like what PoiPoiPoi calls 'fakeys' , only the trailing hand doesn't come inside. Let me know if this makes no sense. I've got to get back to work!
-- Dut
edit: removed references to 'beat' when I really mean 'circle'. I was on crack yesterday and had mixed up which side of the shoulder to start the spirals on for forward/reverse weaves. cleaned up a few other notational issues and added links.
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right understood that up to a point........
but beyond that point, things got hazy, but dont worry about me ill read through it a bit and see if i can make it make sense. i want it to make sense it sounds cool.
ermm, where i started to have problems, was when i got to 4:2, is that not a 2:1?
and if im riht in thinking that was all about weaves, then i assume its all separated? or am i not understanding at all?
but thanks
right understood that up to a point........
but beyond that point, things got hazy, but dont worry about me ill read through it a bit and see if i can make it make sense. i want it to make sense it sounds cool.
ermm, where i started to have problems, was when i got to 4:2, is that not a 2:1?
and if im riht in thinking that was all about weaves, then i assume its all separated? or am i not understanding at all?
but thanks
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4:2 is four circles with the leading hand, two with the trailing. 2:1 is two leading, one trailing - otherwise known as the 3 beat weave if done in split time. The notation I'm using isn't like fractions; it doesn't reduce. I hadn't really thought about it as two separate 2:1's, but now that I do it only confuses things. Just think of it as a 4:1 (so like a three beat, with two extra outside hand circles) and then the inside hand comes back over the wrist of the outside hand as the outside hand starts the changeover (just like in a 5 beat weave). Bluecat mentioned doing 3:2's, which is what I normally call a regular 5 beat in this notation. I've been thinking this way forever, which is why I don't usually try to count things. Does anyone know what a regular 5 beat would be if you counted actual 360 degree circles (forward from top, reverse from bottom)? 2.5:2 with an extra .5 in the changeover, maybe? Also, an 8:1 would be a truly no-wrap (not even wrist wrapping) weave, if you don't mind breaking split time. I have trouble calling these a 'weave' with a straight face though, but I use that for all same direction (as in clock direction) motion and butterfly for all opposite direction motion.
For you purists, I guess I am using the term beat as I first learned it to be synonymous with circle. That's why I thought it was tacky when people started talking about 4 beat butterfly's and the like, because it's a perversion of that term to describe relative arm positions instead of acutal wing beats. I did revert to talking about forward/reverse instead of my favored overhand/underhand notation, so I guess I'll have to switch to circles here too. I changed all the ones in this post.. does it make it clearer? I can't tell.
definitely, though the less separated you can make it look, the better, i think. If it were fully separated, you could put the inside hand inside your arms for as many extra circles as you want as well, and if you kept it in split time, you'd be doing the buzzsaw.
The real "wow" point was when I began to see how to evenly space the extra circles (as opposed to just holding the outside hand in place and rotating wildly). That's where the heavy stuff about the arm spiral comes in. If done smoothly (which I can only do on a rare excellent day) the planes start out more separated (one each at hand and shoulder of trailing arm) and become less separated as you add in circles until they come together with a snap at what I call the "changeover point". At this point, your hands will look like you're in a regular 5 beat weave and the formerly leading hand has just swung past the top (for underhand/reverse action) of its cirlce and is coming down on the other side to become the trailing hand on the other side. I'd really love to find a high framerate camera to show this off.
I'm sure the spiral part topologically has something to do with "orbial angular momentum about a fixed frustrum" or something, but I flunked out at calc based statistics. Just try to move from keeping the wildly spinning hand in place to keeping the slowly spinning hand in place and maybe you'll see i'm not completely crazy. aww, crap. okay, i am completely crazy, but I think i might be "right" about this stuff too.
-- Dut
edit - i'll look for the wicked easy to spot 2:2 BTB reverse somebody throws down on a beach on one of the videos I downloaded from here. I can do that one too, but barely, and I'd love to see more of it.
4:2 is four circles with the leading hand, two with the trailing. 2:1 is two leading, one trailing - otherwise known as the 3 beat weave if done in split time. The notation I'm using isn't like fractions; it doesn't reduce. I hadn't really thought about it as two separate 2:1's, but now that I do it only confuses things. Just think of it as a 4:1 (so like a three beat, with two extra outside hand circles) and then the inside hand comes back over the wrist of the outside hand as the outside hand starts the changeover (just like in a 5 beat weave). Bluecat mentioned doing 3:2's, which is what I normally call a regular 5 beat in this notation. I've been thinking this way forever, which is why I don't usually try to count things. Does anyone know what a regular 5 beat would be if you counted actual 360 degree circles (forward from top, reverse from bottom)? 2.5:2 with an extra .5 in the changeover, maybe? Also, an 8:1 would be a truly no-wrap (not even wrist wrapping) weave, if you don't mind breaking split time. I have trouble calling these a 'weave' with a straight face though, but I use that for all same direction (as in clock direction) motion and butterfly for all opposite direction motion.
For you purists, I guess I am using the term beat as I first learned it to be synonymous with circle. That's why I thought it was tacky when people started talking about 4 beat butterfly's and the like, because it's a perversion of that term to describe relative arm positions instead of acutal wing beats. I did revert to talking about forward/reverse instead of my favored overhand/underhand notation, so I guess I'll have to switch to circles here too. I changed all the ones in this post.. does it make it clearer? I can't tell.
Quote:
and if im riht in thinking that was all about weaves, then i assume its all separated? or am i not understanding at all?
definitely, though the less separated you can make it look, the better, i think. If it were fully separated, you could put the inside hand inside your arms for as many extra circles as you want as well, and if you kept it in split time, you'd be doing the buzzsaw.
The real "wow" point was when I began to see how to evenly space the extra circles (as opposed to just holding the outside hand in place and rotating wildly). That's where the heavy stuff about the arm spiral comes in. If done smoothly (which I can only do on a rare excellent day) the planes start out more separated (one each at hand and shoulder of trailing arm) and become less separated as you add in circles until they come together with a snap at what I call the "changeover point". At this point, your hands will look like you're in a regular 5 beat weave and the formerly leading hand has just swung past the top (for underhand/reverse action) of its cirlce and is coming down on the other side to become the trailing hand on the other side. I'd really love to find a high framerate camera to show this off.
I'm sure the spiral part topologically has something to do with "orbial angular momentum about a fixed frustrum" or something, but I flunked out at calc based statistics. Just try to move from keeping the wildly spinning hand in place to keeping the slowly spinning hand in place and maybe you'll see i'm not completely crazy. aww, crap. okay, i am completely crazy, but I think i might be "right" about this stuff too.
-- Dut
edit - i'll look for the wicked easy to spot 2:2 BTB reverse somebody throws down on a beach on one of the videos I downloaded from here. I can do that one too, but barely, and I'd love to see more of it.
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i think i understand a bit more now
thanks again.
im gonna be printing all that off for bed time reading i think. ill let you know if manage to do any of it.
i think i understand a bit more now
thanks again.
im gonna be printing all that off for bed time reading i think. ill let you know if manage to do any of it.
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hahaha dug is a complicated fellow isnt he?
hahaha dug is a complicated fellow isnt he?
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hehe. thanks! i consider complication in thinking to be the same as intelligence. simplification, wisdom.
I found out which video that BTB 2:2 is in -- the ever popular johnfire1!
Check em out right at the one minute mark. If I've ever seen these anywhere else, the video's been too choppy for me to make them out. I'm sure people don't put them on vids because it looks like crap to purposefully break split time like this until you see it done repeatedly and precicely.
Then again, I also haven't seen any of the COL's, so I might just be video deprived. Which is better than being video depraved
, i'd imagine.
-- Dut
hehe. thanks! i consider complication in thinking to be the same as intelligence. simplification, wisdom.
I found out which video that BTB 2:2 is in -- the ever popular johnfire1!
Check em out right at the one minute mark. If I've ever seen these anywhere else, the video's been too choppy for me to make them out. I'm sure people don't put them on vids because it looks like crap to purposefully break split time like this until you see it done repeatedly and precicely.
Then again, I also haven't seen any of the COL's, so I might just be video deprived. Which is better than being video depraved
, i'd imagine.-- Dut
enlightened
187 posts
Location: montreal
187 posts
Location: montreal
Posted:
i think i am as well
i think i am as well
it must be green
geek, level 1
5,300 posts
Location: everywhere
5,300 posts
Location: everywhere
Posted:
aaah but not me.
when i write 3:2 i mean one poi head is travelling slightly faster, so one gets three circles in in the same time as the other gets 2...
triplets if you will.
and the 3:2 i was talking about is in alternate directions, not weave...
irts one of those 'easy to show, impossible to describe with bad text' moves
sorry bout that...
R
Quote:
Bluecat mentioned doing 3:2's, which is what I normally call a regular 5 beat in this notation. .
aaah but not me.
when i write 3:2 i mean one poi head is travelling slightly faster, so one gets three circles in in the same time as the other gets 2...
triplets if you will.
and the 3:2 i was talking about is in alternate directions, not weave...
irts one of those 'easy to show, impossible to describe with bad text' moves
sorry bout that...
R
Holistic Spinner (I hope)
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Classically British
5,689 posts
Location: Epsom, Surrey, England
Classically British
5,689 posts
Location: Epsom, Surrey, England
Posted:
Being the sad person I am - I'd like to interject here that as a drummer and contact juggler (both of which involve bizarre co-ordination) I find them quite easy - it's just a case of turning one hand off and just concentrating on the faster poi - although this only really works in x:1 ratios.
For different ones, e.g. 3:2 (which could be dubbed "Super Imposed Metric Modulation" if you were to use boring drummer speak) I can't really teach it other than in drumming rhythm terms which wouldn't help anyone, least of all my repuation - which is dodgy to say the least.
Hmmm, brush your teeth with your left hand and tap out a steady beat with your right and try not to let them get in sync'. Then swap hands (don't forget to spit and rinse)
Being the sad person I am - I'd like to interject here that as a drummer and contact juggler (both of which involve bizarre co-ordination) I find them quite easy - it's just a case of turning one hand off and just concentrating on the faster poi - although this only really works in x:1 ratios.
For different ones, e.g. 3:2 (which could be dubbed "Super Imposed Metric Modulation" if you were to use boring drummer speak) I can't really teach it other than in drumming rhythm terms which wouldn't help anyone, least of all my repuation - which is dodgy to say the least.
Hmmm, brush your teeth with your left hand and tap out a steady beat with your right and try not to let them get in sync'. Then swap hands (don't forget to spit and rinse)
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