How bout a spin off competition?

it might be cool to have spin off competitions anyone else think so?

I do!

That's a tall order! I'm game...

Describe for those of me that do not understand spin-off comp please?

How would this be set-up? How would the winner(s) be decided? Would it be head-to-head? Tournament?

I would imagine head-to-head competitions judged by non-competitors would be the easiest way to go.

well because of the distances it would have to be by video so tournament could possibly be easier it could be judged by vote on forums but this is something that is just an idea feel free to brainstorm on ideas and such

There are inexpensive flights across the pond

The UK would be a great place for an international competition.

Just start a poll with a link to each video on here?

I must agree it would be fun

We could do challenges. One person challenges (publicly, in the forum) another person to a spin off, they each make a video, and then a poll is put up along with the two videos, and the rest of the forum makes the decision.

Could give, say, a week to vote.

Ranked matches would be pretty dope!

I'm in.

Good idea but i rekon challenges should be initiated with a GLOVE SLAP

I'm totally in.

I thought a Glove Slap was a little old place where we could get together. I must be thinking of something else... Maybe if go to the beach with my towel I'll remember.

(I really couldn't help it. Sorry, everyone.)

sorry for my terrible memory i have forgotten about this since the last time i posted in this thread well yes there are inexpensive plane tickets but unfortunately my rights to getting a passport have been taken as i am a felon so i am confined to the us unfortunately cuz yes i am american but i wish i could be elsewhere and about the glove slapping i suggest someone make a for one i cannot remember the name of the term for the animations like this smiley but someone should make one that is a glove slapping a face as to challenge people would probably be best to post the glove slap with there name on this thread and as a pm to the person you wish to challenge as well but the only problem with this is people who do not have camera's or tripods or even camera people on hand

Question: What is the basis for doing well? Are we looking at artistry, technical skill, nice location, overall appeal?

Just trying to clarify, because videos may be quite different....

well that is up to everyone i would say all of that but its not just my decision

Or down to whoever is challenging.

"spin off" aka "burn off" - throwing the the staff up into the air with high velocity spin along it's own axis, creating a rotation that causes excess fluid to spray off the freshly lighted staff (combustible liquid that expands when exposed to heat)... the spray lights up from the flame and creates a fireball, similar to a firebreath...



it originates from times where people noticed that kerosene expanded when lit and that the audience and environment was getting sprayed with paraffin. it was intended to protect bystanders and respect nature.

And then came spin off cans.

imo it is a rather environmentally unfriendly act, which is avoided by environmentally conscious spinners. It generally is performed by people who do not use spin off cans, nearly all staff and poi will spray if no spin off can is used.

some performers experience the effect of expanding kerosene, when lighting their fire fans and immediately holding them up in the air (burning kerosene dribbling on their fingers (at best))

though it certainly is a spectacular opening for a fire show/ performance - due to it's excessive use of kerosene - I personally would rather not see HoP sponsor a competition which is purely based on the burning of excess Kerosene. As it would be the main and only objective of the competition, people who participate end up dipping - spin off - extinguishing (at best) - dipping again - spin off... [/sanctimonious, condescending post]

could call it the Monster Spin Off competition...

well thanks for the info but a bit off topic we are not discussing the spin off for a staff or poi but rather a competition for spinning

me and where would that be any different from CoL?

well i guess not much different just user created and for funsies and also there probably wont be a dvd made from it

sounds great

Sort of like a dance-off, now that the concept has been explained to me.

Who's gonna get served first? Let's get this show on the road and off the hizzy!!! *yes that's why everywhere but here I'm the epitome of lame *

Someone needs to bring it SON!!!

Does the serving involve video or not BTW???

that is up to you whom you wish to challenge first

Yeah, going first is totally not my scene... but I would like to see how exactly this works! My inner B-girl is curious!

If no one serves anyone by the 22nd of this month (August) someone will be getting served round these parts!

*hates going first but will do so if required*

NOTE: If I have to get this party started myself I will be challenging someone in or near my "weight class" (skill level) to a glow or fire match. If everyone could list where they think they are on the scale it would make things easier. The classes I think are easiest to use would be Beginner, Advanced Beginner, Intermediate, Advanced, Expert, and Pro.

My rank: Intermediate
Class: Dancer-Funky/Modern (NOT a tech spinner)
Will challenge/battle: Advanced Beginner through Advanced


Please state your rank, preferences in match ups, and have some fun with this! I wanna see a good clean bout!

AND IN THE BLUE CORNER WE HAVE EPITOME OF NOVICE WEIGHING IN AT A MODEST INTERMEDIATE...:)

^^^
Haha I love it! You're a great "LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE!!!" guy!

If you really want to do this... (puts on her cocky hat)

Rank: Advanced
Class: Tech Spinner
Alignment: Chaotic Neutral

I choose Fire as my medium. Epitome, consider yourself served

I claim winner on that battle... unless another challenger arises

Rank: advanced?
Class: Techy-ish
will challenge/battle: intermediate to pro.

oh and is any one else getting flash backs to pokemon here?

Completely.

Um....

Intermediate - Advanced I guess. Not actually sure.
Happy to challenge/be challenged by anyone.
Style: odd.

I think that that will work.

LOL Oh snap, I've done been served! Alright Sis, but for fire I can't upload until the 22nd unless I can somehow wrangle a spotter and convince them to drive to DE!

Skill: Advanced
Style: Tech Flow
I prefer my flow lights to fire but doesn't matter to much. Also will accept challenge from anyone. My only handicap is that camera aren't always available but I have my ways.

I will also challenge anyone who dares
Now let's see...

Rank: Intermediate-Advanced I think
Class: Tech-ish, more dancy-flowy than most I've witnessed
As said above I challenge anyone who dares to knock over my smoothie!

Will also take challenges in double staff!
Rank: No clue, entertaining maybe? I only know how to spin them not how to compare myself
Class: Not very techy at all I don't think. Rely move on dancy type movement things and intergalactic radiation.
Will challange anyone who dares to knowck over my (lets make it different) staff-smoothie?

I almost wanna challenge you to double staff SoD. I have only seen it in person once or twice and some vids online. So all my knowledge is from random videos and integrating poi into the staffs. Also what I use is extremely ghetto. A couple pieces of bamboo that are a little to short and not weighted lol.

AND IN THE RED CORNER WE HAVE SISTER 11 WIEGHING IN AT A MASSIVE ADVANCED TECH. Ok ladies i want a clean spin. Follow all rules touch poi and good luck. *spinners touch poi and go to thier corners getting ready for the first round* DING DING DING

*tv voice over guy* stay tuned folks, in the next bout we have rives v aston on sunday night spin offs

I'll still need to record new footage this weekend or next, so no rush. Also I'd like to propose a primary guideline: the videos are to be unedited, continuous spinning sessions. Changing the sound is fine, and you can rehearse or re-record as much as you want, but cutting together footage is out. This is to keep the competition from going to the people with the good editors. Sound fair? I'm still in either way.

My lack of current editing ability makes it sound more than fair and looks like we're both on the same time frame so awesome! My only other 2 questions for this match are is there a length(time) requirement and are there disqualifying factors (i.e. throws, alternate types of poi like snakes and such)?

I hope this is a classic monkey fist to monkey fist match, or know up front it's not!

My poi are monkey fists, but they are configured for throwing and I usually do simple throws and hand swaps. For the purposes of our match we can rule out throws if you have a strong preference (which might be a challenge in itself since NEB throws are a core part of my style at this point). And I think time should be 5 minutes or so. A white gas burn wouldn't last much longer. 5-7 minutes maybe?

I'd like to rule out throws since I've never done nor do I have the equipment to learn thus yet, any other tricks or dancing and such I think is cool along with a 5 minute footage guideline roughly. If that sounds good I guess we can start churning out the moves yeah?

Rives: Check your private messages....

fully agree only cause i am useless when it comes to vid edititng

Actually just the chain on your gear would be heavy enough to keep the cord straight during tosses, and as long as you can keep a grip on the chain, you can catch them. I encourage giving them a try some time. There are some pretty easy ones.

Haha yeah, if I could see the chain at night to catch it *is nightblind* for the sake of this challenge, safety, and common sense we'll just tuck throws away for a later date...

As for the length I'd say 1 burn

Most dance choreography is no longer than 3 minutes in length which makes sense with how long the majority of songs/compositions are. I'll arrange my music mix to ensure it's roughly 5 minutes in length than bust a move freestyle...

*is a dancer*

I don't like to choreograph I'll do a rough style for the song, some genral points I want to hit with things and then freestyle inbetween.

Dance! Tech! They will battle in a battle that can have no winner! WHO WILL WIN??

The winner is a techy dancer?

Or a dancey techer....

(btw, by my handicap on throws, Epitome implicitly acknowledges that with throws, my rank is actually 'expert' ;p)

LOL I don't know anyone IRL who even does throws and I'm pretty green in fire land compared to them, but I'm going to hang in there and try not to be as easy of a kill to the tech spinner regardless...

Unless Sister Eleven is a little nervous without her power play to fall back on...

*crosses fingers style, flair, and attitude can level the playing field*

ok here are some ideas i came up with, that we might want to try down the road.
-1 min battles focusing on one skill or aspect (i.e. hybrids, throws, isos, flowers, movement, contact, ability to create elaborate sock puppet poi shadow shows, ect.)
-have competitors use the same background song. this way we could see how each person reacts and moves to the same music, and eliminates the question of how long a video should be.
-mixed medium battles. in the same battle you might have each person preform 1 min sock poi, 1 min fire poi, 1 min flowlights, and/or 1 min double staff.

oh and expect this duel between Aston and I to end in an epic battle.

hell yeah thats what we came to see

Those are good ideas Rives, in fact themed challenges would really spice things up!

Also for the record and future challenges,

Tool: Flowpoi Trio and/or Fire Torch Poi
Rank: Advanced Beginner
Class: Dancer-Multiple Disciplines
Will Battle: All skill levels on all tools

@ Rives
I think the idea of same song is brilliant. However I'm not so sure about the 1 min specific challenge, unless its what the competitors want to do. Or multiple aspects per challenge.

Also the gear on the vid of course depends on what each spinner has access to. I happen to have all of those that you mentioned, but that's after a year and a half. Kinda like the idea of a certain trick then in that, its up to the competitors.

Great ideas though. I think these comps on here are gunna get real crazy. I look forward to it all.

@smurf24029
i didnt mean one min for every video, or multiple gear on ever vid, just some ideas for people to play around with.

Ok that makes a bit more sense. Either ways its good input

Yeah, I like the same background song thing. That would solve the time problem and compare to see who matches up to what. But what if you have two people that don't like to spin to similar music? Like if I were to be forced to do it to Dubstep, I would not do well at all, I hear Dubstep and nothing somes out. It's just unspinnable to me. Should we just play that by ear?

of coarse we should

these are not laws, they are ideas, suggestions to make this whole thing more FUN. each challenge can have its own set of rules agreed upon by the participants, and then shared when the video is posted, so every one else knows whats up when they watch it.

happy spinning

A little nervous, yeah, actually . It's not too uncommon for me to start into one of the two contact moves I know, only to quickly go "wait, fire doesn't roll very well! Also it burns me!" and mess up trying to change my move. I expect this to happen more than a little with throws

Strap your poi onto your hands

Bwahahaha....

That is all.

Haha exactly! If she ditches the throws her problem should be solved...

How about this for an option Sister Eleven, we each do two videos but they count as one submission. One video will be classic monkey fists with no throws submitted by both of us, the second video you can do throws/contact until your heart is content against my torch poi so I can do catches and alternate moves as well. People will vote for whoever they liked better based on our overall submissions with an old school and new school video coming from us both.

What do you think? Or is this too complicated?

I'm not sure how ditching throws solves the problem of being awkward because I can't do throws, exactly...

And nah, I'm not trying to talk my way into throws. The original terms are fine.

Okay, original plan it is!

You know me and how I try to cover all the bases preemptively... LOL

Baton down the hatches!!! The eminent battle is drawing near so hold onto your hats! *will be uploading on Sunday*

What? Baton twirl with hatches...how does that work

Rives and I have been talking. I still need to get some footage, since I caught a fever last weekend, but something will be done, promise.

I may be running late with mine. I lost a night of filming 'cause my camera operator/girlfriend got strep and had to sleep. Hopefully she's free this weekend, or I can talk someone else into shooting. Tuesday or Thursday will be my upload days.

Hehe, I'm open for whatever. I would probably get filming done at a Monday practice. As during school it is my only time specifically devoted to poi and other related things.

Unfortunately serious stuff effecting my life, living situation, and future have had a devastating blow which is common in military families to have transitions and paperwork screwed up. Until all of this mess is straightened out I cannot follow through because I just don't have it in me, all of my focus is on damage control.

When everything is sorted out and I have a lot more answers and fiscal stability after an appeals process, I'll be more than happy to start being back to my old self, it's just been snatched up for a little bit.

It's all good. I didn't get my video shot quite as I was hoping, but I can use the footage as my ~1yr video... I'm open to other challengers, and best wishes EoN.

I am also changing my medium of choice to glow/practice poi. Filming fire is just a hassle, since it's hard to drum up a cameraperson on the one night of the week I can do fire.

cool idea as long as they are friendly competitionship with good sportsmanship
im down for a challenge

okay ive super bored cuz i have nothing new to learn until i fix up a bunch of sloppy moves so i challenge someone to a match because i needs a challenge.
someone, anyone, challenge me? ill let you pick all the rules

I'll bite. I've been waiting for another challenger, and what I've got on you in tech you might make up for in movement (srsly, I'm such a cruddy dancer). I'm opting for practice poi (for reasons mentioned above, fire is a pain in the ass), footage being from a continuous session (editing in title screens or credits is ok), 3-5 minutes. I'm open to suggestions for theme and such. Myself, I will probably be costumed for no apparent reason.

Sis11 I will have footage in some way shape or form to match what you put up tonight and from here on out I'm making my preference glow for the exact same reasons. My dancing is cruddy on grass actually R U Game for a compare and contrast?

k, sounds good and does it matter what kind of practice poi? socks? tennis ball on string?
and idk anything about themes really so you can pick. and we have to pick a song. you can pick if u want.
lol ive never dressed up for poi before. i will wear a fuzzy hat and sweat pants

Poismylove: any kind of practice poi; I'll probably be using inner tube poi or contact poi. I don't want to set a specific song, but let's since we have a mutual love of Beats Antique, let's say our videos have to be to one of their songs--and not Beauty Beats, Roustabout, Dope Crunk, or Nesatavo; all other songs are fair game.

EoN: I'm up for a critical compare & contrast. Can't wait to see your vid!

amazing choice of music grrrr beauty beats makes for amazing flowy poi, but i have another faveorite from them too.
ive been practicing putting lots of dancy footwork into my poi sessions lately so i can bring some sort of advantage to this thing
Ill go record tommorow probably if im in a good poi mood. my sound quality will probably be horrible though since i dont have editing software for my video camera, and i have to record the song on my phone and then play it back by setting the phone next to the video camera.

and cant wait to see both of your videos

Oh snap here it go, half way in I bring da funk... Servage right on up in dis hizzzzzzouse!!!!!!!!!!!



Ok Sis, post up ya linkage!!!

Here it is. Don't think it's very good, and the encoding from putting in the text kind of crapped out the quality. Not to mention the song on the video doesn't really match the song I was spinning to; I just couldn't hear the original song in the video to find something that matched It's what I got, though!

I had to outlaw those particular songs because they are DONE TO DEATH. Beats Antique is huge with the spinners here, and those are the songs that end up on everyone's playlist. Me, I'm going to go for something off the new album...

I'll try and film some time this week or next, weather permitting. Hopefully my footwork is coming along okay. And hopefully I'm not sleep deprived when I shoot so I don't have godawful triquetras like I do in the video I shot for my challenge with EoN

Hearing the music and "not disturbing neighbors" is a challenge for me too! None the less, radically different approaches and I'm very interested in how the feedback goes with such a wildcard match up! Good game

you both did an awsome job!!
oh and sister11 let me know when you have your vid done so i can upload mine.

okay i have the video done, but i screwed up a few times but oh well, too lazy to redo it.

this thread is so forgotten, i thought it was a great idea for posting vids and comparing and getting into good discussions on style and moves and such. oh wells here is my vid anyway. everything i did came out sloppy i think haha(note to self: do not poi under the influence when videotaping)

I tried to remind the others, you should too. I'm upload a tech vid and posting form my phone it'll be on FBwhen it's done i'd like some identifations on moves sometime

It's not forgotten; I did state my timeline for filming and posting, so chill homez. Some of us have jobs, and a subset of those of us with jobs work graveyard shift and have very few daytime waking hours. Hoping to film today or tomorrow, conditions permitting.

I actually meant about we're the only 3 people coming on this thread now compared to initially, like there is no commitee doing input or casting a vote...

Hope it didn't sound wrong. I've posted reminders in chat for others to put in their 2 cents like the initial concept.

ya sorry i didnt mean that you specifically forget. i know people have jobs and stuff. take your time i aint trippin
(picks up 2 cents of the ground) woohoo im rich

hey i remember most of the threads i have made there is just usually nothing for me to say at the moment as i am usually a man of few words

sorry... im so bad at talking should learn to thhink before i speak. did not mean to offend you or anyone else.

I don't think either of us are offended. Is all good! You're just wrong is all ;p

I wonder if all the non-active participants who are supposed to render a reasonable "jury like" opinion on the already existing videos just don't have it in them to compare, critique, and make a judgment on those already up.

I mean that was the point of this...

I would like to know why there has been not one state what they prefer and their reasoning behind it, I'd prefer to think the thread was forgotten more than I'd want to think people are too touchy-feely and spineless to state what they prefer and voice their opinion. That is how we (and by we I mean ME) grow and learn from our (when I say our I mean MY) shortcomings, faults, and flaws (also strengths, breakthroughs, and signature styles).

Just sayin'.......



And just incase this is misconstrued... *inserts *

Lol I just didn't wanna be the first to judge. Which vid vs which one now? Theirs 3 vids, and talk of new vids so I dunno now. I will be brutally honest with my vote despite negativity (which I do belive is what you want from a judge yes?) I just feel mean when I give negative feedback.

Me vs. Epitome with the fire poi, and then my unfilmed video will be vs. poismylove's video.

Well someone has to get the party started or we'd all be wall flowers at the dance the whole night! If I weren't willing to take criticism I wouldn't have thrown myself to the wolves, all a judge has to do is be unbiased and objectively state their point and back it up (like no "I can't stand him" or "But that's my BFF..." crap) other than that take all the facts of a well rounded performance in account, weight out all the factors, and make the call. Majority will rule in terms of favored... well whatever makes you favor it and if you state why or why not we all have a nice little learning shindig to boot!

*understood probability and statistics of my circumstance and competition before ever opening my big internet mouth and opened it anyways *

Possibly open a poll in the video forum with each video as an option. Then elaborate on why in the rest of the thread.

That may work and get more visibility than here.

I agree with poll idea 100%
Use this forum to determine who battles who and the rules then make a new pole forum with both videos and the public vote and elaborates

Polling broken...

Any other ideas? Started one, but can't get a polling option up it's as though it vanished or is not available on that subforum.

There are web sites just for making custom polls, so you could probably set one up externally push come to shove. Can't think of the URL off hand, but they exist...

So is this spin off as in, just staff spin offs whos is bigger etc? Or is it a fire dancing vid contest. Like who's hotter/better/awesomer? Is it weapon of choice or purely staff spinners?

this is a comp for anything just vid on vid action you challenge someone and then the two of you agree on the terms of the challenge as what kind of music will be used fire or practice or even led what toys/props will be used its just a thread for friendly competition because people as a whole do better with a challenge so people as indidviduals most likely will to

Read the whole thread, everyone's ranking and specialty is already listed along with some very funny banter.

I'M SOOO IN!!! This is such a great idea!

Okay, here are my specs...


Hoop *specialty*
Class: Jedi
Style: Dance/bad ass
Will challenge/battle: anyone ballzee enough.

Poi
Class: Intermediate-Advanced(ish)
Style: Dance, non-tec
will challenge/battle: Intermediate- Advanced

Fan
Class: Intermediate- Advanced
Style: Tribal
Will challenge/battle: All classes

BRING IT ON!!!!!!!!!!

@poismylove: I have some footage filmed, and while I'm going to try to re-film one more time, I'll put up the best I've got on Thursday. And the best I've got right now has an obvious blunder when I try to pull off something I know I can't do

Spin off competition? Sounds like somethin crazy is about to go down... I'm game

Go for it! It's not a one-at-a-time deal. You should glove slap (baby, glove slap) Midkiff or Flint.

I still need to get hold of a camera.

lol yaaa i do that all the time, i have to remember not to do stuff i cant do once i get some fire poi. i look forward to seein your vid

*Wwwuuuppsssh!!* I formally challenge ascilith with a gloveslap. Fire poi. Song of choice. Are u up for it??

I formally accept Flint's challenge with a return gloveslap. *Gauntlet slaps flint* Whoops, wrong glove.... Question is, are YOU up for it?

*snigger*

Good to see this hotting up.

YES!!! FLAMING PRETZEL ACTIVATE!! vid due by next weekend (not this weekend but the weekend after). Dont pull any punches either, bring it ON!!

I'm still up for battle, camera is tricky to get but available.

And I look forward to the coming videos soon

Mine sucks. I think poismylove has a shot at this. Also I'm having issues with transcoding and the sound, so it'll be up when I can get it up.

Uploading can be a piece of work! I'm glad this concept is reviving, much anticipating weighing in on the next round for the first time on the outside.

lol idk maaannn myne pretty bad haha. it was so bad i have been trying to rebuild my style from the bottom up cuz i realized my style is very sloppy and i was using to many moves that i dont have down well enough yet. we should definitely do a rematch vid with fire in a few weeks. i be ordering my fire poi tommorow morning so excited!

Posting in response to a post in the thread for S11 and EoN cause its appropriate here.

I challenge SoD to video competition. I don't have regular access to a camera but it is available. I will await a response before trying to arrange the rules.

I will challenge SoD to a glow poi or tailed poi dance specific challenge since he is now working on his moves and is getting out some if he would like to.

This challenge would primarily be a dance/expressive challenge incorporating poi, but focus more on full body movement and footwork should he choose to accept.

Eon, I just challenged SoD in the post before you. I would think my challenge takes priority because I posted first, and you just finished your challenge with S11.

EoN if your down for a mainly dance challenge with some glow poi ill challenge you. And Smurf and SoD will get to have theres spin off

but it will have to wait till i get new glow poi

just to be clear so im on the same page as everyone, ive read on alot of poi/glowsticking sites that you shouldnt do spinoffs\battles, this isnt like making poi look into a total competition right? as long as its only for comparing and contrasting and like a learning tool, a challenge to bring out the best in you? just making sure i am getting the idea correct.

I'd this is all for fun. No one is trying to be the best. I think its more of a way for us to spin together despite living in different parts of the world.

Smurf, you totally have priority *has been phone posting, seems to get botched without hitting refresh all the time GAH!* I know he is trying to work out his dancing shoes and saw his other post. Sorry bout that! "Droid Doesn't Always" *verizon voice*

poismylove, I must tell you my only real competitor is me vs. me in poi just like it is while playing Rock Band where the leaderboard helps me calibrate the scale and get ye ole noggin workin'. There is no battle for supremacy with others, but the feedback from comparing helps me understand what others are doing in their styles and what the observer's are looking at and for.

I do like to encourage anyone to spread their wings and find their beat through the joy of dance and artistic self expression, I asked SoD because dance is a new thing he is working on and happens to be a passion of mine, but would be happy whenever you're ready to make a themed dance/expressive challenge *helps the creative juices flow*. I don't think an appearance of a goal or friendly rivalry is bad when not taken too far or out of context. It's not going to change my goals or vision, but input from the outside helps me to understand others and my contributions helps others see how I'm trying to shape my vision and possibly help a question be answered better by those with a different approach.

I'm not sure what you have heard on forums, but out at the club I have entered the circle with the shoes on my feet and flowlights too. After everyone has a go it's nothing but love and more people loosen up and get out the floor. Call me crazy, but with no scale or motivation I'm lost on the concept of improvement and every time I get TKO-ed in Punch Out on Nintendo I go for the rematch not only to improve it is also to stay in the game and keep playing.

cool just making sure its all friendly. sorry for having to ask that i was just trying to make sure so i didnt have any confusion

It's getting tempting to forfeit this one to poismylove. I can't find a way to swap in the audio I need without destroying the video, and it's already well past when I was hoping to post...

In response to Lye from other thread:
5 is just as crazy as 4 I just wanna figure out how. The bracket idea kinda makes it look like contest to be the best, and that wasn't the focus.

Maybe we should split this up lol. I think 4 might be good enough for it.

Epitome! I gotz torch poi now maybe we should do a torch poi duel?? I just got them but they're fun

Great points. I can't wait for the videos

yea WHEN CAN WE WATCH?

Okay, poismylove, I forfeit. I finally got the video problem sorted out, but the footage itself is so terrible I am unwilling to share it with the world. I'll PM you the URL when it's up, though, just so you can see how little tech matters when you can't remember what to do with it

Booooo!

Guess update?? I am in the procces of arranging borrowing someones camera. I prolly wont wait for my new lights (suppose to be here aprox nov 11) I like my colors a lot now. But yeah awesome enw groove, hopin to be able to catch in on film lol.

As for our other contenders?

Seriously, though, my vid was so boring and crappy. I'm thinking of rallying together another collaboration video, though, since liquidtrance disappeared....

I may be able to get hold of a camera soon, so may be able to throw something together. Will keep you up to date.

So I have had wonder if this is still ongoing??? I remember some old matches were made but never happened. I thinks we all forgot??? Maybe some just for fun challenge?

I have a problem with cameras. And am rather saving up for a new unicycle. If I can make a plan, am keen though. Mostly just as a way of making me do stuff.