Politically correct terms and words we aren't allowed to use anymore

I dont know about employment, but there are definitely lots of scholarships and services that they can access that other people can't.

I can definietly see the two sides for it.

On one hand, two Indigenous students got into Medicine when there were other students who performed better in exams/interview/aptitude test...

But Medicine has lots of different quotas. They have an Indigenous student quota (well, it's not really a quota but a if you want to do Medicine, we will try our hardest to get you in), they have a rural quota, an international student quota, a full fee paying quota, a mature age quota, etc etc.

So, some students are studying medicine because they are 'bonded' i.e. when they graduate they HAVE to spend 6 years working in rural areas. They get no scholarship for this (there are other rural scholarships but thats different).
These people will pass the requirements to get into Medicine (above 96 TER etc) but wouldnt have been offered a place in the top 200 or whatever. The uni rings the next people on the list and says "We will let you study Med but only if you go rural for 6 years"
(Now I have a whole heap of problems with this because they're asking 16/17 yr olds to make decisions that will impact their entire lives and dangling Medicine, this thing the student has aspired for in front of them..)
And they'll keep calling down the list until they find 20 or so studnts who say yes... So these students got in above those higher up the list because they said "yes, I will slave myself to your needs"
I see this kinda like the Indigenous quota... they wouldn't let in anyone who will have massive problems in medicine... If you're simply not smart enough, you're not smart enough...
I think the Indigenous quota for Medicine is more about growing more doctors who will want to work with Indigenous people than about PCness....
It's all about filing Australias needs for rural doctors and Indigenous doctors rather than "theyve historically been unpriveliged so lets help them out"

My partner however tutors Indigenous kids in high school and the governement pays for it completely.

Oh and another scheme which we researched in Med is called a SRA - Shared Responsibility Agreement... This comes from the fact that Australia has tried the heavy hand approach and it didn't work, we tried the self-determination approach and it didn't work so now we're trying a combined thing.
SRAs are basically agreements between an Indigenous community and the government with promises from both sides.

Now some are kinda extreme like "if the Indigenous people will send their kids to school every day and clean their ears etc, then they get a pool."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1626072/ (Im talking about the Mulan community agreement)

Now most people said "WOAH - they wash their faces, take the rubbish out and they get a pool? (in this case it was fuel bowsers) I do that already!! The government should pay for MY pool"

Which is a very valid point. The Indigenous side to some of the first agreements was very 'slack' in that they were things that you'd expect everyone to do anyway...

But Australia has been trying to work on Indigenous health for AGES and most things haven't worked...

If spending $200,000 on fuel bosers/ a pool/ whatever the community wants will reduce ear infections/Sexualy transmitted disease/whatever then is it worth it?

See I think 'women's shelter' is discrimination... Why not 'victims of domestic abuse' shelter?

I dont know enough about the attacks on the Indian students to really comment... Are the attacks racist or just opportunist? Do Indian students walk home alone more often in dodgy areas? Maybe where the attacks are occuring is a mainly Indian student living area...
I think any task force would be about stopping all atacks. If a 'white' person was attacked in the same area, its not like the task force would ignore them and say "oh, it cant be related"...

What do people think of 'women only' and 'men only' clubs/tours etc...


I don't think there should be actual equality regarding sexes.. i.e. a business should be forced to hire as many females as males etc.
I think that there should be equal opportunity, i.e. if a female has the same skills, experience etc then there is nothing stopping her from being chosen for the job...

I think the current "only 1% of CEOs in Australia are women" kinda stance by 'feminists' isn't really about sexism... My mum's age is who is CEOS at the moment and my mum chose between teacher, nurse or secretary... So of course there would be less CEOS now...
But I think the possibility for female CEOs in the future isnt being stopped or hindered by sexism. You can get into uni, study business, work from the ground up in a company...
I'm a bit anti-feminist in that i dont think that you can be expected to be treated the same if you have kids... i.e. an employer has two employees, one being a women with kids, one being a women/man without kids... It is likely that the woman with kids will need to look after them more, not be able to stay late if the business needs it, have sick days to look after kids etc...
Having chosen career over kids, I think that women who chose kids over career cannot expect to be considered at the same level seeing as they have different priorities...

ANy now I will be bashed by all the females on the board...http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/default/duck.gif

Melbourne has men's shelters. And I'm with Nat in not understanding enough about the attacks on Indian students. There was an Indian student in my area who complained of racially motivated attacks - but, ah, well, you see, my city is pretty damn dodgy and violent and every weekend there are severe assaults (including sexual) so I'm disinclined to think the attack was racially motivated and was more "Geelong is a total hole and rather scummy and if you walk alone at night you're a bit of a git" motivated.

And while I'm agreeing with Nat, I completely get your point about the CEOs. And I don't think that it's anti feminism. Then again, I see feminism as having a choice, rather than "women can do everything better blah blah".

Hehe, I had a rant on facebook about a women's only tour the other week...

Theres feminists and those that take it too far who I just decided I might refer to as anti-phallist facists or similar.

I'd agree with your comment about Geelong but only within the CBD at night and beyond that its like anywhere else. The pubs and clubs too regularly over serve and there are too many that think they are too big for a 'small' town... I've been asked if I was flipping someone off when he'd greeted me and I'd returned the greeting with a slight wave.

This is Geelong and not Melbourne though, Melbourne has a significantly higher proportions of minority groups in general, I guess that appears more threatening.

More on topic comments when I have time.

Good Call

The further you get into the actual mechanics of how political correctness actually functions, the closer you'll see it resembles religious fundamentalism and as such, is subject to Poe's Law

Most of the political correctness we deal with in everyday life is a light, sanitized version and if you used terms like "reverse racism" around the hardcores, you'd quickly find them planting a stake into the ground and piling faggots around it to dispense with you and your incorrect ideology.

Political correctness can be distilled down to vital essence in one simple phrase....White people suck.

Hey man, I had my friend, Copy Paper, over when i opened this and he got offended that you said he was boring and plain.

Wow, that's pretty much how I explained it to my black family

ooh this is on topic

Interesting article. Didn't have time for the whole thing, But from what I read, it brings an interesting angle on the topic. Not sure just what to say on it yet. As far as I know, men's only clubs are falling from popluarity though. Perhaps a solution, or a stab at one, men's only or women's only clubs required to have a side for both (aka a men's only club must also be backed close by with a women's only) Or vice versa.

What would be the female equivalent of Freemasonry? WI? lol

the thread can end here
think discourse and specialized language

what? Wisconsin and freemasonry-what'd I miss?

Haha everything.

faithinfire: WI = Women's Institute. A bizarre bit of Englishness.

I thought WI had spread to the USA.

Opinion piece relating to the single sex clubs

The Nearest gym to me is "women only" which is very frustrating as the nearest gender free gym is much more expensive and doesn't have a pool and is missing other quality facilities. All this just so women can exercise without the worry of being judged by what they look like when they are trying to change what they look like. Because of course the reason I want to go to the gym is to look at tousled, sweaty women and tell them how unattractive they are. Not to get fit myself that would be ludicrous.

Surely they would be better having a fat person only gym so fat people wouldn't be discouraged by the statuesque. I'm sure women are more likely to judge other women on how they look than men are. I've met women - they can be so harsh

(Sorry, am I allowed to say fat in the PC thread?)

Mynci: I think for the purposes of keeping to the PC'ness of the thread, then fat should technically be "Overweight" but it's not as if saying "Overweight" makes it sound any better! Or large for that matter.
Though if it was taken less seriously then you could say, for example "That bobby is quite the man of substance" rather than saying "Bob's fat" (^_^)

Also. For all your political correct wording needs, you can consult...
The Politically Correct Dictionary (^_^)

Speaking of fat discrimination.. i will point you all the THIS...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkcUq1LBdaA
The Gruen transfer is an Aussie show all about advertising. and they have advertising companies come on and they give them challenges.

The challenge here was to promote 'fat pride'.

When I watched this on the net (the ABC decided not to screen it because of obvious reassons) I thought "That is a brilliant ad."

I think out of ALL the different forms of discrimination, fat discrimination is the most accepted. And whie people will get uptight abiout correct words for race... not many people will stop someone telling a fat joke.

What do you think?

Yeah I don't get the gym thing. Especially considering if you play a sport then men are going to be watching you. Not to mention women being just as harsh judges as well! Oh yeah, and what has already been said about people going to gyms to improve themselves and not judge others.

I'd never* join a women's only gym.


*unless it was for completely financial reasons given my lack of employment

I aggree. Fat people, (People of substance?) Haven't had historical trouble, revolutions, and things like that, Even though their weight might not be all their fault. Though I think it's accepted because being fat is generally considered a personal problem, not something that's caused genetically or that can be considered discriminate. And It's not really right either. But also fat people even tend to tell fat jokes. As a whole, people don't tell fat jokes to fat people and fat people tend not to care or tend not to do anything about it if they are being made fun of. Low self-esteem for fairly obvious reasons. Fat people are the most easily bullied of the world in general. Unfortunately. Would you aggree?

And to rougie: Yeah, women's only gym does seem kind of pointless and annoying. Just frusterating and causes more problems than solutions id say.

I'm fat and I've developed a pretty thick skin (heh) over the course of my life. Plus we stay warmer

Is it wrong if I call my overweight cat 'Fatty'? I don't think he can understand English tho?

J

And what about Durbs? can I call him Fatty too?

Pyrolific - you, you fu*ck yoooooo!!!