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#873297 - 14/10/08 02:44 AM Re: Boy, 7 breaks into zoo and feeds anilmals to a croc. [Re: FireTom]
hamamelis Offline
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Originally Posted By: FireTom
"Breeding in captivity" ain't too convincing to me as in regards of "animals being content" - sorry to say that. A decent shag in jail if opportunity arises - why not? shrug [/qute]

Uhh.. I don't think you thought that through- have sex in jail- sure, but would you want to raise a kid in there..?

[quote=FireTom]"
My "projection" on animals might completely be failing reality... given that. I'm no expert. Just hoping that zoos are not be used as an excuse for "well we extinct them in the wild, but at least we can breed them in captivity"... in this context I would think it's better to videotape them, keep their genetic material and let them fall prey to civilization...



Ok. I see it very differently. I don't see the point in having a freezer full of DNA in the hope that some time in the future someone will figure out a way of building a fake uterus big enough to grow.. say... an elephant. Which will then be brought up with no contact with its own species, and would likely grow up with severe behavioural problems which would be very hard to ever get over. I cannot see how that would be better.m Sorry.
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#873304 - 14/10/08 04:31 AM Re: Boy, 7 breaks into zoo and feeds anilmals to a croc. [Re: hamamelis]
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Originally Posted By: Stout
IMO running around with a pit bull ( yes an American Staffordshire Terrier ) is pretty the much the same thing as the open carry policy that some US states allow. The message here is "fear me, I'm badass" and anyone claiming that they "just happen too like the breed" is most likely just saying that as more of an excuse than anything else.


hmmmm - can't universally subscribe to that. When living in Venice Beach/ CA, I was friends with a guy who had a pitbull. Sure, the guy has been THE stereotype badass rocker... I mean, he's been tattooed all over, head to toe, he's been with the Hells Angels and sure as heck a few decades earlier I would not even have wasted a twinkle in the (bad) eye on him, scared of gettn the living crap beaten out of myself. But he's been in his late 60's, got his back broken in two places by motorcyle accidents, his heart torn apart in two divorces and he turned out to be the sweetest guy in tattoed skin I have personally met in my life.

Long story short: he got a pit bull and that dog has been just as sweet as him. The guy would never raise his hand to his dog ("never teach a dog fear" as he said) and the dog would have rather swallowed his own juice but left his side without his approval. He only put him on a leech when he really had to.

But that certainly is an exception that proved the rule.

hamamelis: yes I would. ppl raise kids in worse locations than jail. At least in jail you know what you (ain't) got.

Though I get your point with the DNA wink See I don't want to violently oppose zoos, I'm certain that for wildlife preservation there can be done a LOT - there can be National Parks (like the Kruger) - this is such a big planet, why can't we just make it a great place for every body? Without taking "freedom" away or at least create something that resembles that experience more than a mere 100sqm for a Cheetah [/hippy pipe dream?]

Hate to get misunderstood (on this one again) and I don't want to offend you(r profession) really... just for a sec try not to interpret the worst possible intent into my posts? .... pleeeeease ???

Same applies to Stone - just for a sec imagine that I'm NOT trying to offend everybody here...

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#873375 - 14/10/08 10:21 PM Re: Boy, 7 breaks into zoo and feeds anilmals to a croc. [Re: FireTom]
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hugI'm not getting mad at you, and I don'tfind your comments offensive- I just happen to be sharing a house with an anti-anyone-but-her-having-animals protestor, who goes entirely on anothropomorphism, and can't even see there *is* an argument(though she's really nice if you stay away from the topic) and I'm sort of.. not really able to express my views at home, or tell her what my old job was, 'cos the argument would get so big I'd probably have to find a new share house, which I can't afford.

I have a bit of a short fuse on the topic when I'm talking to anyone else as a result..
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#873389 - 15/10/08 12:12 AM Re: Boy, 7 breaks into zoo and feeds anilmals to a croc. [Re: Poje]
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Originally Posted By: Poje



First of all, killing a Jack Russell Terrier is completly understandable.



Excuse me? Are you being serious or is that some form of sick joke?
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#873419 - 15/10/08 03:12 AM Re: Boy, 7 breaks into zoo and feeds anilmals to a croc. [Re: roarfire]
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I get the tongue-in-cheek redface

Similar to saying killing a customer is completely understandable - they're both annoying things that yap at heels.
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#873583 - 16/10/08 09:11 AM Re: Boy, 7 breaks into zoo and feeds anilmals to a croc. [Re: Rouge Dragon]
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Originally Posted By: Fire Tom
.....Same applies to Stone - just for a sec imagine that I'm NOT trying to offend everybody here...


Fire Tom, it’s pretty simple really. If you don’t want to be misunderstood, then don’t make provocative statements. This is especially important for someone who has a long history of criticizing Buddhists, Faith and Christians.
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#873670 - 17/10/08 12:48 AM Re: Boy, 7 breaks into zoo and feeds anilmals to a croc. [Re: Stone]
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Then have it your way, Dude. You take offense more than I mean it, just because I dared to criticize your opinion on topics that you are sensitive on. You just appear to be stuck in the past when referring to my "long history" shrug enjoy
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#873732 - 17/10/08 02:51 PM Re: Boy, 7 breaks into zoo and feeds anilmals to a croc. [Re: FireTom]
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Originally Posted By: Fire Tom
Then have it your way, Dude. You take offense more than I mean it, just because I dared to criticize your opinion on topics that you are sensitive on. You just appear to be stuck in the past when referring to my "long history" shrug enjoy


Fire Tom, I’m making a point of this because I don’t think I should have to walk around on egg shells every time I want to make a comment. I thought long and hard before I posted my comments to Stout, and they were not even remotely directed in your direction. Yet you chose to jump in when you could have ignored what I said all together.

You can’t claim to that your comments were not meant to be offensive, because in the same sentence you admit that you were being critical. Now, I don’t mind fair informed comments on any topic, but when it comes to Buddhism your comments appear biased and insensitive.

I think it is timely to remind us all, of the HoP Posting Guidelines:

Is it the Truth?
Is it Fair to all concerned?
Will it build Goodwill and Better Friendships?
Will it be Beneficial to all concerned?

If you can answer YES to these 4 questions then you may post a reply.
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#874083 - 22/10/08 08:48 AM Re: Boy, 7 breaks into zoo and feeds anilmals to a croc. [Re: Poje]
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Originally Posted By: Poje
"A couple of weeks ago we had an incident where some guy shot a child's per Jack Russell terrier, no provocation, just hauled off and blasted it with a shotgun. According to media reports there's Facebook groups set up over this guy, and I've personally seen the rants section of craigslist dominated by all the vengeful things people wanted to do to this guy."
- Stout


First of all, killing a Jack Russell Terrier is completly understandable.


Secondly..is this zoo tape on youtube yet?


lol lol


I'm not really sure where I stand on this one.

I remember when I was about 5 or so holding a newt by its neck inbetween some barbeque tongs until it died, and on the same day my little sister pulled several snails out of their shells. She ate one too. Then puked. Then I put the dead newt in the sick. Such angelic children.
Anyway, I think most children have done vile things to insects or animals when they were young. And as grim as it is, I think it is part of the learning process.

Oviously though the level of abuse this kid inflicted is alot worse than what the average kid would do, but people make mistakes, children even more so - especially when a bad upbringing is involved. Sometimes people forget that.

A terrible thing to have happend, but without knowing the boy, his parents, and the exact circumstances I cant comment. This is where the criminal psycologists come in.

Its their job to asses his behaviour. Not mine.
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#874147 - 22/10/08 06:59 PM Re: Boy, 7 breaks into zoo and feeds anilmals to a croc. [Re: _Aimée_]
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clap nicely worded, Aimee smile

Originally Posted By: Stone
However, what I d say is it’s difficult to establish accurate figures for a mobile population, given the current methods used by ABS to collect census data. A more realistic estimate, from the Desert Knowledge CRC, would be about 40%.


But you're ready to utter baseless accusations against a mobile population and ethnic minority - because even IF Aboriginals would make 40% of Alice's population, your claim's got a 60% chance to be incorrect - thus your comment could be considered a hate speech, subsequently violating the very guidelines you're quoting as to muffle me (which you repeated in response to my PM, by asking me not to post for a couple of days).

Sometimes I really wonder what is going on in your head confused
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